Adaryn
The Living Force
Re: Assasination of Russian Ambassador for Turkey
That is also my impression, MK Scarlett. In France, this laicité (secularity) hysteria has become absurd to the point that in the name of "republican values", you now see news items such as this one, where a statue of the Virgin was banned/removed from a public park in France following complaints by overzealous atheists/"liberals". This is just an example among others.
And yeah, this claim that Muslims might be offended is pure BS. I think most Muslims couldn't care less about the manifestation of Christian values, like nativity scenes - they never had a problem with them before! It's just what the MSM want people to think, so as to antagonize them against Muslims.
I agree. I would even say it's a real war against any form of spirituality, and an attempt at destroying what remains of traditional values/morality (values which are equally shared by Christianity and "normal"/non radical Islam.
There's also an attempt at sowing division among the French people - between "full blooded" French and French of Muslim origin. When you see the government's doublespeak and very ambiguous attitude, you feel like there's something fishy going on. On the one hand, they promote laicité aggressively, attacking traditional/Christian values, for ie by trying to pass laws which would ban websites counselling women who consider abortion. (These websites are often Catholic) (_http://religionnews.com/2016/12/14/france-will-soon-have-a-new-crime-online-obstruction-of-abortion/). On the Muslim side, you have the banning of burkas, the "burkinigate" and so on.
But on the other hand, you have the spreading of radical Islam in France through Qatar infiltrating poor French suburbs (which have a large population of Muslims) by pouring money into the latter, and corrupting the youth by spreading their wahhabite ideology. All with the blessing of French politicians.
Besides, political correctness has reached an absurd point in France too. The average French citizen is being more and more vilified by the MSM/elites. Put a French flag at your window, and it'll be seen as provocation and a sign that you're a right-wing extremist; express any (even moderately) patriotic feeling, or question gay marriage or gender theory, and you'll immediately be called a hateful fascist/white supremacist/Christian fundie.
This attitude of contempt manifested by the elite/media towards the "average French" (most of whom tend more towards "normal, common sense" values than leftist liberalism) gives rise to a lot of resentment among the common people, understandably. People feel despised by the elites. I think one of the aim is to direct the "average Frenchman"'s anger at the wrong people: people of Muslim background and foreigners, who they feel are being favoured by the government and all those "leftist" organizations, whereas they (the average French citizens) are getting the short end of the stick.
At the same time, a lot of youth of Muslim background living in poor neighbourhoods, who have been brought up/manipulated to hate anything French - thanks to organizations like "SOS racisme" - are being antagonized against their fellow, Frenchie-French countrymen. This is a recipe for disaster (civil war?)
Let's just hope people are clever enough to see who's the real enemy here, and that the population in general - be it Muslim, Christian, Jewish or whatever - is the real victim.
MK Scarlett said:I'm wondering about two other things: Christmas time, beyond the Season's Greetings and all the meaning in mind/heart of people in Occident, could also be an attempt against Christianity in its whole meaning. I mean, in France there is a debate for years about the right for cities to expose nativity scenes at their downtown or even villages, in the name of the "laicité" and pluralism and not to - allegedly - offense Muslims living with us. Seriously? We do not have nativity scenes in our towns anymore and Muslims here don't care about Christmas nativity scenes in the downtown or anywhere else!
That is also my impression, MK Scarlett. In France, this laicité (secularity) hysteria has become absurd to the point that in the name of "republican values", you now see news items such as this one, where a statue of the Virgin was banned/removed from a public park in France following complaints by overzealous atheists/"liberals". This is just an example among others.
And yeah, this claim that Muslims might be offended is pure BS. I think most Muslims couldn't care less about the manifestation of Christian values, like nativity scenes - they never had a problem with them before! It's just what the MSM want people to think, so as to antagonize them against Muslims.
They care about what our governments try to force us to believe, aka, Muslims are bad. And well, when seeing Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Kowait for the bigger ones, in this case with their Wahhabism, Muslims are bad, aren't they?
To me all this is ALSO a real war against Christianity, as well as for the war against Russia is also a war against its Orthodox Christianity. The whole thing is multi-layered.
I agree. I would even say it's a real war against any form of spirituality, and an attempt at destroying what remains of traditional values/morality (values which are equally shared by Christianity and "normal"/non radical Islam.
There's also an attempt at sowing division among the French people - between "full blooded" French and French of Muslim origin. When you see the government's doublespeak and very ambiguous attitude, you feel like there's something fishy going on. On the one hand, they promote laicité aggressively, attacking traditional/Christian values, for ie by trying to pass laws which would ban websites counselling women who consider abortion. (These websites are often Catholic) (_http://religionnews.com/2016/12/14/france-will-soon-have-a-new-crime-online-obstruction-of-abortion/). On the Muslim side, you have the banning of burkas, the "burkinigate" and so on.
But on the other hand, you have the spreading of radical Islam in France through Qatar infiltrating poor French suburbs (which have a large population of Muslims) by pouring money into the latter, and corrupting the youth by spreading their wahhabite ideology. All with the blessing of French politicians.
Besides, political correctness has reached an absurd point in France too. The average French citizen is being more and more vilified by the MSM/elites. Put a French flag at your window, and it'll be seen as provocation and a sign that you're a right-wing extremist; express any (even moderately) patriotic feeling, or question gay marriage or gender theory, and you'll immediately be called a hateful fascist/white supremacist/Christian fundie.
This attitude of contempt manifested by the elite/media towards the "average French" (most of whom tend more towards "normal, common sense" values than leftist liberalism) gives rise to a lot of resentment among the common people, understandably. People feel despised by the elites. I think one of the aim is to direct the "average Frenchman"'s anger at the wrong people: people of Muslim background and foreigners, who they feel are being favoured by the government and all those "leftist" organizations, whereas they (the average French citizens) are getting the short end of the stick.
At the same time, a lot of youth of Muslim background living in poor neighbourhoods, who have been brought up/manipulated to hate anything French - thanks to organizations like "SOS racisme" - are being antagonized against their fellow, Frenchie-French countrymen. This is a recipe for disaster (civil war?)
Let's just hope people are clever enough to see who's the real enemy here, and that the population in general - be it Muslim, Christian, Jewish or whatever - is the real victim.