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dugdeep said:I asked him to clarify that a bit and he confirmed that he was talking about a condition called SIBO (small intestinal bacterial overgrowth). It's when proper colon bacteria get up into the small intestine and colonize there. It's not that they're bad bacteria, it's that they're in the wrong spot. There were a number of paleo bloggers talking about it a year or two ago, including Chris Kresser. Kresser had said that adding a typical probiotic in this situation can be like adding gasoline to a fire. He recommended using non-lactic acid producing strains, like soil-based probiotics, to combat the problem. One called "prescript assist" was a popular recommendation (both Kresser and Mark Sisson recommend it), but there are others like AOR Probiotic 3. Taking one of these should help with species diversity, too.
OK, I remember that now, and thanks for bringing that up dugdeep. I actually started supplementing with some powdered probiotics a few weeks ago, twice a week, but maybe I should put that on hold until I find out more about what's going on in my own system since I don't want to be unintentionally exacerbating a potential problem. It looks like Foxx started a thread on soil-based probiotics, and I'll try to take a closer look at it later when I'm able.
Divide By Zero said:I'm a bit confused on the implications of the ketosis feeding fungus.
Does that mean we should aim to eliminate the fungus first before going into ketosis?
Or is it better as he states, to cut carbs to half or a third of the SAD to balance out the fungus with the bacteria, etc?
I'm not going to pretend to have the answers yet since this is all new to me -- I'll defer to other members who have more training and knowledge, or wait to see what we uncover with our ongoing research.
I can share a few personal observations, but remember these are specific to me. When we first started the ketogenic diet a few years ago, it had a mixed effect on me. Positive effects included reduced body fat and increased muscle tone when I combined it with exercise. However, I never experienced the boost in energy that a lot of other members described, and to an extent it made me more fatigued at certain times. I already had (what I assume to be) the candida symptoms I mentioned above before starting the diet; they abated for a few months in the beginning, but then returned, and would flare up unexpectedly even though I couldn't correlate the flare-ups to carb consumption (maybe the candida were becoming keto-adapted at the same time that I was?). Would things have been different if I had treated the candida before going on the diet? I don't know -- what I do know is that candida is always present in our system naturally, and we never get rid of it completely (if we did, that would actually be a problem, OSIT) -- we can only try to find a way to balance its place in our gut so that it doesn't overgrow.
There have been two other things which have had an impact -- the first (unsurprisingly) is prolonged stress. I experienced some of that in the first part of last year, and the effect on my energy levels, anxiety, cardiovascular and candida symptoms was quite noticeable. I spent last summer trying to get that under control, and by the time I felt like I was getting back to normal, all of a sudden my local utility company installed smart meters throughout my neighborhood (I posted about that on the EMF thread last fall and winter). This set me back again, and I was only able to get it under control again when I started a prolonged heavy metal detox last spring. Since fungi seem to enjoy EMF exposure about as much as we do, I think part of the problem was that any excess candida (or whatever else) I had in my system at the time reacted poorly and started excreting more toxins as a defense mechanism. Around the same time (last fall), my experience with smoking also changed -- I was only able to smoke a fraction of what I had previously, because smoking too much increased my anxiety and made me feel aggressive. That was new, and I'm not sure yet why it was the case, although the symptoms implicate a dopamine issue.
I've been experimenting with my diet in the past year, and what seems to work best for me is to eat keto for the first half of the day. The one change I made was to start adding some green leafy vegetables (spinach, kale, etc) to my usual breakfast of bacon, eggs and butter -- that seemed to help, probably because of the methylation issues. I added more carbs in the evening, but had to be careful about what kinds I introduced -- if I ate anything with sugar or simple carbs, the candida symptoms would flare up; foods with complex carbs (tubers, gourds, vegetables) seemed to be fine, and I had a bit more energy doing things this way. I've also had difficulty at times with intermittent fasting and hypoglycemia symptoms -- not consistently, but it may be due to what Dr Rostenberg talked about re: the inability to completely absorb fats and losing the full benefit of fat consumption due to excretion what isn't absorbed. That may also be why some carb consumption makes me feel better, because my body is making up for what it can't get solely from the fat that I eat.
Again, keep in mind that this is just my personal experience -- I'm not about to make sweeping recommendations for anyone else, because I'm still trying to figure out what's going on with my own body. Suffice to say that it's important to observe yourself, experiment, and adjust accordingly.