AUTOIMMUNE DISEASES CAUSED BY AN INFECTION?

"Just wanted to mention that I used to have an ozone generator when I lived in the U.S. I used it for several years to make ozone saturated filtered water and also olive oil (it came with two different "airator" tips - one for water, one for oil). I used to also wash veggies for salads, etc. by ozontating them in water for 15 minutes.

I bought it from Hulda Clark's old Self Health Resource Center website. It was about the size of a shoebox. You just plugged it into an electrical outlet, switched it on and put the porous tip at the end of a tube into the water (or the other tip into olive oil) and it made bubbles into the liquid (and also smelled a bit like after a thunderstorm). I might check and see if there are ozone generators for sale on the internet." - SeekinTruth

Just realized I didn't include the link for this vid - it highlights what SeekinTruth posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JmTa29RwdkQ

@7:17, ozone kills parasites and cancer cells
This is primarily a promotion for the Ozonizer but has info re the process/its application to food/alkalizing water & testimonial of singer who was losing voice due to acid reflux & how Ozonizer restored his health.
 
Another vid re removing germs/pesticides from food using ozonizer unit compared w/ salt & vegetable detergent - start at 3:11. Goes on w/ demonstration w/ meat. Its use in regards to general disinfecting is also highlighted - even as a treatment for 'Hong Kong foot'.

OZONE Food and Water Sterilizer - Sterilize, Disinfect, Deodorize and Preserve Freshness
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tNPm2qo1Z6o
 
Data said:
It is also fascinating how he combines standard treatments -- like antibiotics and antivirals -- with herbs and traditional medicine in an effort to potentiate their effectiveness. Rather than 'shooting' with just one weapon, he suggests 'rotating' and combining weapons of attack against the pathogens. This strongly reminds me of the 'rotating modulation' of the 'phasers' used in Star Trek against the Borg -- otherwise they would adapt too quickly.

Funny you should say that about the Borg. I'm almost finished reading a book called:

Reversing Chronic Lyme Disease: The New Paradigm Beyond Conventional Medicine Kindle Edition
by Craig Bruner
Link: http://amzn.com/B00DJMIEOA

And in that book he says just that, that is, he compares the Borrelia b. bacteria to Star Trek's Borgs; it assimilates everything you throw at it, then morphing into another resistant form. The author is not a doctor, but he has searched decades for the cure for his Lyme disease. The biggest revelation for him, and a cure for his Lyme, was when he realized how this "Borg-morphing-thing" was Borrelia's greatest weakness: by constantly rotating, and varying the weapons you use, you don't give time to the bacteria to assimilate and communicate with it's buddies, and ultimately they "short circuit" themselves. The author's experience is, that antibiotics didn't help him at all, they only made things worse. He used a multitude of natural remedies and other alternative methods (also ozonated water, by the way). However, since this book was written, the antibiotics might have improved - and the important thing seems to be to attack from all angles, using different antibiotics, and alternative medicine etc.

This might be obvious, but a very important thing that I think everyone should keep in mind:

Do not start taking some (random) antibiotic to treat your chronic infection, if you don't know EXACTLY what you're doing. It will most probably only make things worse, e.g. the Borrelia b. will only morph and entrench itself even deeper, and will be almost impossible to get rid of!

It seems, that at the very least, you need several different kind of antibiotics (for L-forms, biofilm, cysts, spirochetes), and also "supporting attacks" by various natural medicines (herbs, essential oils, ozone etc.). And, always keep rotating the things you apply. The author presents a multitude of different remedies, and I'm going to try and put together a list of them later.

You know, the more I read about Borrelia b., the more I'm convinced that it is genetically modified. I mean, it seems to have such amazing, intelligent and evil morphing and shielding capabilities, that it's just unbelievable!

Oh, and you now this Bob Beck guy, who invented the "blood purifier" also recommended using ozonated water, and gave instructions how to build one. The company that continues Beck's "legacy", Sota, also manufactures/sells water ozonators, see here:

_http://www.sota.com/water-ozonator.html

If the specs are correct, this device seems quite good.
 
Pierre said:
Some people undergoing the protocol might notice pain in old injuries. One explanation relates to the fact that, before full maturation, scar tissues show reduced blood circulation (hypoxia):

Dynamic hypoxia in scar tissue during human hypertrophic scar progression said:
Mild hypoxia is present in early scars, moderate hypoxia in proliferative scars, and severe hypoxia in regressive scars. Oxygen levels then return to normal in mature scars

Once the wound is fully healed, normal blood circulation is re-established but by this time, the pathogens might have already developed a protective biofilm.

So, one hypothesis is that pain in old wound is due to the fact that wounds are prime locations for pathogen because of the limited blood supply and therefore limited immunity during the healing process.

From what I've read, there's also the possibility, that when you throw abx (antibiotics) at e.g. spirochete forms of Borrelia, it will protect itself by morphing into biofilm protected forms, L-forms, granules, and in this process it will move into the injured ares. So, it's a real tricky business!
 
Aragorn said:
You know, the more I read about Borrelia b., the more I'm convinced that it is genetically modified. I mean, it seems to have such amazing, intelligent and evil morphing and shielding capabilities, that it's just unbelievable!

If the information in Carroll's book Lab 257 is accurate, Borrelia/Lyme is a biological warfare agent developed before, during and after WW II and intentionally leaked into the environment via ticks, notably Plum Island. Roughly speaking, Lyme is prevalent in countries which were involved in WW II, but absent in others. Before 1970, it was unknown to the populace. I myself have been diagnosed with Lyme but luckily got antibiotics in the very beginning, right after the typical circular rash started.

Aragorn said:
Do not start taking some (random) antibiotic to treat your chronic infection, if you don't know EXACTLY what you're doing.


I agree. It is good to remember the following -- not just related to medicine but almost everything:

Gurdjieff:

Gurdjieff said:
A man must do nothing that he does not understand, except as an experiment under the supervision and direction of his teacher. The more a man understands what he is doing, the greater will be the result of his efforts. This is a fundamental principle of the Fourth Way. The results of his work are in direct proportion to the consciousness of the Work. No 'faith' is required on the Fourth Way. On the contrary, faith of any kind is opposed to the Fourth Way. On the Fourth Way, a man must satisfy himself of the truth he is told, and until he is satisfied, he must do nothing.

Lobaczewski:

Lobaczewski said:
"Ignoti nulla curatio morbi" -- "do not attempt to cure what you do not understand."

The bioethical credo "First do no harm!":

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Primum_non_nocere said:
Given an existing problem, it may be better not to do something, or even to do nothing, than to risk causing more harm than good.
 
A very comprehensive vid on ozone therapy from Promolife:

Published on Apr 18, 2014

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Promolife offers the widest selection of ozone therapy machines and accessories. Visit http://www.promolife.com/ozonetherapy for a complete list.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nDf2EzSKGtc
 
I want to quote Aragorn and emphasize what he wrote!!!!

Aragorn said:
This might be obvious, but a very important thing that I think everyone should keep in mind:

Do not start taking some (random) antibiotic to treat your chronic infection, if you don't know EXACTLY what you're doing. It will most probably only make things worse, e.g. the Borrelia b. will only morph and entrench itself even deeper, and will be almost impossible to get rid of!

It seems, that at the very least, you need several different kind of antibiotics (for L-forms, biofilm, cysts, spirochetes), and also "supporting attacks" by various natural medicines (herbs, essential oils, ozone etc.). And, always keep rotating the things you apply. The author presents a multitude of different remedies, and I'm going to try and put together a list of them later.
 
Laura said:
I want to quote Aragorn and emphasize what he wrote!!!!

Aragorn said:
This might be obvious, but a very important thing that I think everyone should keep in mind:

Do not start taking some (random) antibiotic to treat your chronic infection, if you don't know EXACTLY what you're doing. It will most probably only make things worse, e.g. the Borrelia b. will only morph and entrench itself even deeper, and will be almost impossible to get rid of!

It seems, that at the very least, you need several different kind of antibiotics (for L-forms, biofilm, cysts, spirochetes), and also "supporting attacks" by various natural medicines (herbs, essential oils, ozone etc.). And, always keep rotating the things you apply. The author presents a multitude of different remedies, and I'm going to try and put together a list of them later.

Agree. That's why I'm going to experiment first with bromalain and EDTA to destroy potential biofilms and then take some natural antibiotics - mix of mushrooms + maybe fluconazole instead of "hard" antibiotics.
 
Kasia said:
Laura said:
I want to quote Aragorn and emphasize what he wrote!!!!

Aragorn said:
This might be obvious, but a very important thing that I think everyone should keep in mind:

Do not start taking some (random) antibiotic to treat your chronic infection, if you don't know EXACTLY what you're doing. It will most probably only make things worse, e.g. the Borrelia b. will only morph and entrench itself even deeper, and will be almost impossible to get rid of!

It seems, that at the very least, you need several different kind of antibiotics (for L-forms, biofilm, cysts, spirochetes), and also "supporting attacks" by various natural medicines (herbs, essential oils, ozone etc.). And, always keep rotating the things you apply. The author presents a multitude of different remedies, and I'm going to try and put together a list of them later.

Agree. That's why I'm going to experiment first with bromalain and EDTA to destroy potential biofilms and then take some natural antibiotics - mix of mushrooms + maybe fluconazole instead of "hard" antibiotics.

Fluconazole is not an antibiotic, it is an anti-fungal and it can be very hard on the system. I suggest you re-read everything and do nothing without guidance from a medical professional.
 
Kasia said:
Agree. That's why I'm going to experiment first with bromalain and EDTA to destroy potential biofilms and then take some natural antibiotics - mix of mushrooms + maybe fluconazole instead of "hard" antibiotics.

If I've understood correctly, even if you choose the natural approach (no abx), you need a combination: products weakening/destroying biofilms and antimicrobial products. So, knowledge of what things to use, what they do, is essential. Once the biofilm is weakened/destroyed, the nasties who lurk under it will come out in circulation (makes you nauseous imagining that process!). The good thing in this - if there is one - is that the critters lurking under the biofilm are at least for a short time more vulnerable. The outer layer of the biofilm has created resistance for certain compounds (like abx), but those lurking under might have not - that is why they hide there!

Just saw Laura's post: before you start the treatment, it's best to get up to speed of what properties various products have
 
Laura said:
Kasia said:
Laura said:
I want to quote Aragorn and emphasize what he wrote!!!!

Aragorn said:
This might be obvious, but a very important thing that I think everyone should keep in mind:

Do not start taking some (random) antibiotic to treat your chronic infection, if you don't know EXACTLY what you're doing. It will most probably only make things worse, e.g. the Borrelia b. will only morph and entrench itself even deeper, and will be almost impossible to get rid of!

It seems, that at the very least, you need several different kind of antibiotics (for L-forms, biofilm, cysts, spirochetes), and also "supporting attacks" by various natural medicines (herbs, essential oils, ozone etc.). And, always keep rotating the things you apply. The author presents a multitude of different remedies, and I'm going to try and put together a list of them later.

Agree. That's why I'm going to experiment first with bromalain and EDTA to destroy potential biofilms and then take some natural antibiotics - mix of mushrooms + maybe fluconazole instead of "hard" antibiotics.

Fluconazole is not an antibiotic, it is an anti-fungal and it can be very hard on the system. I suggest you re-read everything and do nothing without guidance from a medical professional.

I know that. I should have written more precisely. I used to take it on doctor's order, bore it well and have a green light to take it more if needed.
Anyway, thanks for the tip.
 
Just finished Plague Time, and received another of Paul Ewald's books "The Evolution of Infectious Disease". Both are great reads, and I've used this post to summarize my thoughts on the subject. Definitely nothing that hasn't already been covered, but it's helped me to connect some dots.

In both books Ewald points out that medicine has tended to focus on the human aspects of disease and health (like diet and medicine), and not on the pathogenic perspective of disease, much to our detriment. There's an entire subterranean world of people-eaters working away down there. They have their own rules, their own methods of communication, and their own methods for debilitating their hosts, and they can evolve and change in the blink of an eye. Though much of the medical community has focused on the belief that "parasites evolve to benignity with the host" that is just not true. This unscientific attitude has hidden the "subterranean underworld" from sight for a long time, despite the fact that medicine has typically hit gold when it's gone after infections.

But, since reading through this thread, I have really been curious about how to categorize these facts. Are most diseases caused by these bugs, or is it just a handful? The list keeps growing and growing. What about the "diseases of civilization" and all we've learned about gluten, toxicity, etc. Is it a matter of a combination of factors here; and if so, what exactly is the relationship? How can I fit this into what we've already learned?

Ewald's work really helps highlight the nuances there. He's got a brilliant mind for subtle details. And I'm starting to see that many, many diseases are actually defense mechanisms created by the body to get rid of nasty bugs (like suffering "autoimmune" diseases) or could well be manipulations by the little buggers themselves (like T. Gondii and schizophrenia), or may be side effects to the real action going on.

To illustrate some of this complexity, here's an excerpt from "Evolution of Infectious Diseases (page 27) on anorexia:

Diarrheal and febrile illnesses are also often associated with anorexia, a loss of appetite. Theoretically this anorexia, like the diarrhea and fever, could be a defense if the host were reducing food intake to starve out the pathogen. Alternatively, it could be a manipulation if the alteration of the host food intake reduced the host's ability to muster an immunological or physiological defense against the pathogen. Finally, it could be a side effect benefiting neither the host nor the pathogen. Data on supportive care indicate that at least for some diarrheal diseases, the first of these three hypotheses can be rejected. Feeding the patient throughout the infection reduces the severity and duration of disease. For these diseases, the manipulation hypothesis and the side effects hypothesis are still valid. If the anorexia is a manipulation, feeding the patient will not only improve the patient's sense of well being, but it will also reduce the spread of the disease. If this dual benefit occurs increased investment in this intervention would be warranted.

And of course there's the fact that one bug can produce a number of different symptoms. So, due to so many complicating factors, it's very difficult to pinpoint a specific "cause-effect" relationship between bug and disease. And with authoritarian followers in science, demanding the highest standards of evidence in order to prove cause and effect, these critters often slide away scot-free.

But, as this thread has shown, for many serious diseases and disorders, it's looking like the culprit could well be an infection. When we consider the fact that we share this planet with so many millions of different types of viruses, bacteria, mycoplasmas, fungi, etc, all looking for an easy meal, that really seems like a no-brainer now.

So, though the forum is well aware about how to boost our resistance to infection, through the ketogenic diet, chelating heavy metals, and supplementing with the appropriate minerals, vitamins etc, this thread has revealed the critical perspective of the "subterranean world" of the critters responsible for many of them. It really looks like the Protocol is the best thing for those suffering from these diseases - use every weapon available!

After more research, finding a good physician, and getting some mercury fillings removed while chelating, I'm thinking about trying the Protocol out myself. I'm giving myself a target date of October to start the antibiotic challenge, and it looks like I'll finally be able to get these mercury fillings out for relatively cheap.

Anyhow, thanks for all of the info everybody!
 
I know Laura has mentioned she has several root canals but has also indicated her RA started in childhood. I don't know if there's a connection, but this might be something to be aware of nonetheless - an interview by Dr. Mercola of George Meinig, D.D.S.

http://www.whale.to/d/meinig.html

Dr. Meinig brings a most curious perspective to an expose of latent dangers of root canal therapy - fifty years ago he was one of the founders of the American Association of Endodontists (root canal specialists)! So he's filled his share of root canals. And when he wasn't filling canals himself, he was teaching the technique to dentists across the country at weekend seminars and clinics. About two years ago, having recently retired, he decided to read all 1174 pages of the detailed research of Dr. Weston Price, (D.D.S). Dr. Meinig was startled and shocked. Here was valid documentation of systemic illnesses resulting from latent infections lingering in filled roots. He has since written a book, "Root Canal Cover-Up EXPOSED - Many Illnesses Result", and is devoting himself to radio, TV, and personal appearances before groups in an attempt to blow the whistle and alert the public.

MJ Please explain what the problem is with root canal therapy.

GM First, let me note that my book is based on Dr. Weston Price's twenty-five years of careful, impeccable research. He led a 60-man team of researchers whose findings - suppressed until now rank right up there with the greatest medical discoveries of all time. This is not the usual medical story of a prolonged search for the difficult-to-find causative agent of some devastating disease. Rather, it's the story of how a "cast of millions" (of bacteria) become entrenched inside the structure of teeth and end up causing the largest number of diseases ever traced to a single source.

MJ What diseases? Can you give us some examples?

GM Yes, a high percentage of chronic degenerative diseases can originate from root filled teeth. The most frequent were heart and circulatory diseases and he found 16 different causative agents for these. The next most common diseases were those of the joints, arthritis and rheumatism. In third place - but almost tied for second - were diseases of the brain and nervous system. After that, any disease you can name might (and in some cases has) come from root filled teeth.

Let me tell you about the research itself. Dr. Price undertook his investigations in 1900. He continued until 1925, and published his work in two volumes in 1923. In 1915 the National Dental Association (which changed its name a few years later to The American Dental Association) was so impressed with his work that they appointed Dr. Price their first Research Director. His Advisory Board read like a Who's Who in medicine and dentistry for that era. They represented the fields of bacteriology, pathology, rheumatology, surgery, chemistry, and cardiology.

At one point in his writings Dr. Price made this observation: "Dr. Frank Billings (M.D.), probably more than any other American internist, is due credit for the early recognition of the importance of streptococcal focal infections in systemic involvements."

What's really unfortunate here is that very valuable information was covered up and totally buried some 70 years ago by a minority group of autocratic doctors who just didn't believe or couldn't grasp - the focal infection theory.

MJ What is the "focal infection" theory?

GM This states that germs from a central focal infection - such as teeth, teeth roots, inflamed gum tissues, or maybe tonsils - metastasize to hearts, eyes, lungs, kidneys, or other organs, glands and tissues, establishing new areas of the same infection. Hardly theory any more, this has been proven and demonstrated many times over. It's 100% accepted today. But it was revolutionary thinking during World War I days, and the early 1920's!

Today, both patients and physicians have been "brain washed" to think that infections are less serious because we now have antibiotics. Well, yes and no. In the case of root-filled teeth, the no longer-living tooth lacks a blood supply to its interior. So circulating antibiotics don't faze the bacteria living there because they can't get at them.

MJ You're assuming that ALL root-filled teeth harbor bacteria and/or other infective agents?

GM Yes. No matter what material or technique is used - and this is just as true today - the root filling shrinks minutely, perhaps microscopically. Further and this is key - the bulk of solid appearing teeth, called the dentin, actually consists of miles of tiny tubules. Microscopic organisms lurking in the maze of tubules simply migrate into the interior of the tooth and set up housekeeping. A filled root seems to be a favorite spot to start a new colony.

One of the things that makes this difficult to understand is that large, relatively harmless bacteria common to the mouth, change and adapt to new conditions. They shrink in size to fit the cramped quarters and even learn how to exist (and thrive!) on very little food. Those that need oxygen mutate and become able to get along without it. In the process of adaptation these formerly friendly "normal" organisms become pathogenic (capable of producing disease) and more virulent (stronger) and they produce much more potent toxins.

Today's bacteriologists are confirming the discoveries of the Price team of bacteriologists. Both isolated in root canals the same strains of streptococcus, staphylococcus and spirochetes.

MJ Is everyone who has ever had a root canal filled made ill by it?

GM No. We believe now that every root canal filling does leak and bacteria do invade the structure. But the variable factor is the strength of the person's immune system. Some healthy people are able to control the germs that escape from their teeth into other areas of the body. We think this happens because their immune system lymphocytes (white blood cells) and other disease fighters aren't constantly compromised by other ailments. In other words, they are able to prevent those new colonies from taking hold in other tissues throughout the body. But over time, most people with root filled teeth do seem to develop some kinds of systemic symptoms they didn't have before.

MJ It's really difficult to grasp that bacteria are imbedded deep in the structure of seemingly-hard, solid looking teeth.

GM I know. Physicians and dentists have that same problem, too. You really have to visualize the tooth structure - all of those microscopic tubules running through the dentin. In a healthy tooth, those tubules transport a fluid that carries nourishment to the inside. For perspective, if the tubules of a front single-root tooth, were stretched out on the ground they'd stretch for three miles!

A root filled tooth no longer has any fluid circulating through it, but the maze of tubules remains. The anaerobic bacteria that live there seem remarkably safe from antibiotics. The bacteria can migrate out into surrounding tissue where they can "hitch hike" to other locations in the body via the bloodstream. The new location can be any organ or gland or tissue, and the new colony will be the next focus of infection in a body plagued by recurrent or chronic infections.

All of the "building up" done to try to enhance the patient's ability to fight infections - to strengthen their immune system - is only a holding action. Many patients won't be well until the source of infection - the root canal tooth - is removed.

MJ I don't doubt what you're saying, but can you tell us more about how Dr. Price could be sure that arthritis or other systemic conditions and illnesses really originated in the teeth - or in a single tooth?

GM Yes. Many investigations start with the researcher just being curious about something - and then being scientifically careful enough to discover an answer, and then prove it's so, many times over. Dr. Price's first case is very well documented. He removed an infected tooth from a woman who suffered from severe arthritis. As soon as he finished with the patient, he implanted the tooth beneath the skin of a healthy rabbit. Within 48 hours the rabbit was crippled with arthritis!

Further, once the tooth was removed the patient's arthritis improved dramatically. This clearly suggested that the presence of the infected tooth was a causative agent for both that patient's and the rabbit's - arthritis.

[Editor's Note - Here's the story of that first patient from Dr. Meinig's book: "(Dr. Price) had a sense that, even when (root canal therapy) appeared successful, teeth containing root fillings remained infected. That thought kept prying on his mind, haunting him each time a patient consulted him for relief from some severe debilitating disease for which the medical profession could find no answer. Then one day while treating a woman who had been confined to a wheelchair for six years from severe arthritis, he recalled how bacterial cultures were taken from patients who were ill and then inoculated into animals in an effort to reproduce the disease and test the effectiveness of drugs on the disease.

With this thought in mind, although her (root filled) tooth looked fine, he advised this arthritic patient, to have it extracted. He told her he was going to find out what it was about this root filled tooth that was responsible for her suffering. "All dentists know that sometimes arthritis and other illnesses clear up if bad teeth are extracted. However, in this case, all of her teeth appeared in satisfactory condition and the one containing this rootcanal filling showed no evidence or symptoms of infection. Besides, it looked normal on x-ray pictures.

"Immediately after Dr. Price extracted the tooth he dismissed the patient and embedded her tooth under the skin of a rabbit. In two days the rabbit developed the same kind of crippling arthritis as the patient - and in ten days it died.

"..The patient made a successful recovery after the tooth's removal! She could then walk without a cane and could even do fine needlework again. That success led Dr. Price to advise other patients, afflicted with a wide variety of treatment defying illnesses, to have any root filled teeth out."
]

In the years that followed, he repeated this procedure many hundreds of times. He later implanted only a portion of the tooth to see if that produced the same results. It did. He then dried the tooth, ground it into powder and injected a tiny bit into several rabbits. Same results, this time producing the same symptoms in multiple animals.

Dr. Price eventually grew cultures of the bacteria and injected them into the animals. Then he went a step further. He put the solution containing the bacteria through a filter small enough to catch the bacteria. So when he injected the resulting liquid it was free of any infecting bacteria. Did the test animals develop the illness? Yes. The only explanation was that the liquid had to contain toxins from the bacteria, and the toxins were also capable of causing disease.

Dr. Price became curious about which was the more potent infective agent, the bacteria or the toxin. He repeated that last experiment, injecting half the animals with the toxin-containing liquid and half of them with the bacteria from the filter. Both groups became ill, but the group injected with the toxins got sicker and died sooner than the bacteria injected animals.

MJ That's amazing. Did the rabbits always develop the same disease the patient had?

GM Mostly, yes. If the patient had heart disease the rabbit got heart disease. If the patient had kidney disease the rabbit got kidney disease, and so on. Only occasionally did a rabbit develop a different disease - and then the pathology would be quite similar, in a different location.

MJ If extraction proves necessary for anyone reading this, do you want to summarize what's special about the extraction technique?

GM Just pulling the tooth is not enough when removal proves necessary. Dr. Price found bacteria in the tissues and bone just adjacent to the tooth's root. So we now recommend slow-speed drilling with a burr, to remove one millimeter of the entire bony socket. The purpose is to remove the periodontal ligament (which is always infected with toxins produced by streptococcus bacteria living in the dentin tubules) and the first millimeter of bone that lines the socket (which is usually infected).

There's a whole protocol involved, including irrigating with sterile saline to assure removal of the contaminated bone chips, and treating the socket to stimulate and encourage infection-free healing. I describe the procedure in detail, step by step, in my book [pages 185 and 186].

MJ Perhaps we should back up and talk about oral health - to PREVENT needing an extraction. Caries or inflamed gums seem much more common than root canals. Do they pose any threat?

GM Yes, they absolutely do. But let me point out that we can't talk about oral health apart from total health. The problem is that patients and dentists alike haven't come around to seeing that dental caries reflect systemic - meaning "whole body" - illness. Dentists have learned to restore teeth so expertly that both they and their patients have come to regard tooth decay as a trivial matter. It isn't.

Small cavities too often become big cavities. Big cavities too often lead to further destruction and the eventual need for root canal treatment.

MJ Then talk to us about prevention.

GM The only scientific way to prevent tooth decay is through diet and nutrition. Dr. Ralph Steinman did some outstanding, landmark research at Loma Linda University. He injected a glucose solution into mice - into their bodies, so the glucose didn't even touch their teeth. Then he observed the teeth for any changes. What he found was truly astonishing. The glucose reversed the normal flow of fluid in the dentin tubules, resulting in all of the test animals developing severe tooth decay! Dr. Steinman demonstrated dramatically what I said a minute ago: Dental caries reflect systemic illness.

Let's take a closer look to see how this might happen. Once a tooth gets infected and the cavity gets into the nerve and blood vessels, bacteria find their way into those tiny tubules of the dentin. Then no matter what we do by way of treatment, we're never going to completely eradicate the bacteria hiding in the miles of tubules. In time the bacteria can migrate through lateral canals into the surrounding bony socket that supports the tooth. Now the host not only has a cavity in a tooth, plus an underlying infection of supporting tissue to deal with, but the bacteria also exude potent systemic toxins. These toxins circulate throughout the body triggering activity by the immune system - and probably causing the host to feel less well. This host response can vary from just dragging around and feeling less energetic, to overt illness - of almost any kind. Certainly, such a person will be more vulnerable to whatever "bugs" are going around, because his/her body is already under constant challenge and the immune system continues to be "turned on" by either the infective agent or its toxins - or both.


MJ What a fascinating concept. Can you tell us more about the protective nutrition you mentioned?

GM Yes. Dr. Price traveled all over the world doing his research on primitive peoples who still lived in their native ways. He found fourteen cultural pockets scattered all over the globe where the natives had no access to "civilization" - and ate no refined foods.

Dr. Price studied their diets carefully. He found they varied greatly, but the one thing they had in common was that they ate whole, unrefined foods. With absolutely no access to tooth brushes, floss, fluoridated water or tooth paste, the primitive peoples studied were almost 100% free of tooth decay. Further - and not unrelated - they were also almost 100% free of all the degenerative diseases we suffer - problems with the heart, lungs, kidneys, liver, joints, skin (allergies), and the whole gamut of illnesses that plague Mankind. No one food proved to be magic as a preventive food. I believe we can thrive best by eating a wide variety of whole foods.

MJ Amazing. So by "diet and nutrition" for oral (and total) health you meant eating a pretty basic diet of whole foods?

GM Exactly. And no sugar or white flour. These are (and always have been) the first culprits. Tragically, when the primitives were introduced to sugar and white flour their superior level of health deteriorated rapidly. This has been demonstrated time and again. During the last sixty or more years we have added in increasing amounts, highly refined and fabricated cereals and boxed mixes of all kinds, soft drinks, refined vegetable oils and a whole host of other foodless "foods". It is also during those same years that we as a nation have installed more and more root canal fillings - and degenerative diseases have become rampant. I believe - and Dr. Price certainly proved to my satisfaction - that these simultaneous factors are NOT coincidences.



MJ I certainly understand what you are saying. But I'm still a little shocked to talk with a dentist who doesn't stress oral hygiene.

GM Well, I'm not against oral hygiene. Of course, hygiene practices are preventive, and help minimize the destructive effect of our "civilized", refined diet. But the real issue is still diet. The natives Dr. Price tracked down and studied weren't free of cavities, inflamed gums, and degenerative diseases because they had better tooth brushes!

It's so easy to lose sight of the significance of what Dr. Price discovered. We tend to sweep it under the rug - we'd actually prefer to hear that if we would just brush better, longer, or more often, we too could be free of dental problems.

Certainly, part of the purpose of my book is to stimulate dental research into finding a way to sterilize dentin tubules. Only then can dentists really learn to save teeth for a lifetime. But the bottom line remains: A primitive diet of whole unrefined foods is the only thing that has been found to actually prevent both tooth decay and degenerative diseases.

This article is informative too:
http://www.westonaprice.org/holistic-healthcare/root-canal-dangers/
 
This from the previously cited Weston-Price article:

Let’s go back to the graphs of ALS up through the year 2000. Note an increase in 1976 and another increase in slope in 1991. In 1990, the dental association “suggested” that dentists perform thirty million root canals per year by the year 2000. Dentists accomplished that goal by 1999. As I understand it, the bar has now been raised to sixty million per year.

The unexplained increase in MS (8800 to 123,000) coincided with the advent of high copper amalgams. The increase in ALS in the same year is suggestive of the same cause. ALS also increased in 1991 as more root canals were performed.
Statistical coincidence?

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Our first DNA studies examined bacteria retrieved from crushed root tips. We can identify eighty-three different anaerobic bacterial species with DNA testing. Root canals contain fifty-three different species out of these eighty-three samples. Some are more dangerous than others, and some occur frequently, some occasionally. Selecting those that occur more than 5 percent of the time, we found:

Capnocytophaga ochracea
Fusobacterium nucleatum
Gemella morbillorum
Leptotrichia buccalis
Porphyromonas gingivalis

Of what significance are these? Four affect the heart, three the nerves, two the kidneys, two the brain and one the sinus cavities.
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Dentists claim they can “sterilize” the tooth before forcing the gutta percha wax down into the canal. Perhaps they can sterilize a column of air in the center of the tooth, but is that really where the problem is? Bacteria wandering out of the dentinal tubules is what Price was finding, and what we were finding in the crushed tooth samples. But does the problem end there? Hardly.

Just out of curiosity, we tested blood samples adjacent to the removed teeth and analyzed them for the presence of anaerobic bacteria. Approximately 400 percent more bacteria were found in the blood surrounding the root canal tooth than were in the tooth itself. It seems that the tooth is the incubator. The periodontal ligament supplies more food, therefore higher concentration of bacteria.

But the winner in pathological growth was in the bone surrounding the dead tooth. Looking at bacterial needs, there is a smorgasbord of bacterial nutrients present in the bone. This explains the tremendous increase in bacterial concentration in the blood surrounding the root canal tooth. Try sterilizing that volume of bone.

Apparently, the immune system doesn’t care for dead substances, and just the presence of dead tissue will cause the system to launch an attack. Infection, plus the autoimmune rejection reaction, causes more bacteria to collect around the dead tissue. Every time a person with a root canal bites down, these bacteria are flushed into the blood stream, and they start looking for a new home. Chemotaxis, or the chemical attraction of a specific bacteria for a specific tissue, assists the anaerobes in finding new quarters in the heart, nervous system, kidney, brain, etc., where they will perform their primary damage.

Many of the bacteria in the surrounding bone are present in far more than 50 percent of the samples tested. Streptococcus mutans was found in 92 percent of the blood samples. It can cause pneumonia, sinusitis, otitis media, meningitis and tooth decay.

Streptococcus mitis was found 92 percent of the time. This microbe attacks the heart and red blood cells. It is a rather hearty bug, for it went to the moon (hiding in a camera) on an unmanned expedition, stayed there over two years in an environment without atmosphere, exposed to temperatures of 250 degrees Fahrenheit during the day, minus 250 in the shadow. Upon returning to Earth with the astronauts of Apollo 12, over two years later, this microbe was still alive.10 In humans, S. mitis binds to platelets and is involved in the pathogenesis of infective endocarditis. Want this guy living in your dead root canal tooth?

Of the top eight bacteria in the blood adjacent to root canal teeth, five affect the heart, five the nervous system, two the kidney, two the liver, and one attacks the brain sinus, where they kill red blood cells Of these, Prevotella intermedia (present in 76 percent of the samples) attacks heart, kidney and sinus; Strep intermedius (present in 69 percent of the samples) attacks heart, nerves, lungs, liver and brain.

DNA examination of extracted root canals has shown bacterial contamination in 100 percent of the samples tested.

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Of the five most frequently present bacteria found in cavitations, three affect the heart, two the nervous system and one the kidneys and lungs. They are as follows:

Streptococcus mutans (occurrence 63 percent of the samples), affects the nervous system, can cause pneumonia, sinusitis, otitis media and meningitis. It has also been blamed for causing dental decay in teeth, but this may be more the result of the fluid flow pulling bacteria into the tooth than actual active invasion by the bacteria.

Porphyromonas gingivalis (occurring in 51 percent of the samples), damages the kidney, alters integrity of endothelial lining of blood vessels, and induces foam cells from macrophages, contributing to atherogenesis. It contains proteases that lyse red blood cells and extract nutrients (primarily iron) from the red blood cells. This action is called porin forming, which can destroy red blood cells rapidly. (By the way, P. gingivalis can both up and down regulate about five hundred different proteins critical to maintaining our normal biochemical actions.)

Candida albicans (present in 44 percent of the samples), in its yeast form is beneficial in the process of demethylation of methyl-mercury as well as its ability to destroy pathogenic bacteria in the intestinal tract. When converted into the fungal form by a shift in pH in the digestive system, candida can penetrate the intestinal wall, leaving microscopic holes that allow toxins, undigested food particles, bacteria and other yeasts to enter the blood stream. This condition is sometimes referred to as Leaky Gut Syndrome, which can lead to environmental intolerances.

Prevotella intermedia (occurrence rate of 44 percent) has as its primary concern coronary heart disease (CHD). P. intermedia invades human coronary artery endothelial cells and smooth muscle cells. It is generally located in atheromatous plaques. Cellular invasion of cardiac muscle is central to the infective process.



So, if all these diseases of “unknown etiology,” that is, of unknown origin, are the result of bacterial invasion, why not just flood the body with antibiotics? They kill bacteria, don’t they? Ever hear of someone who was sick, was given antibiotics, and then got even worse? Most of us have heard the story. Perhaps the following information explains what happens in these cases, and why antibiotics cannot be used in infections of this nature.

Most antibiotics are “bactericidal”—think suicidal, or homicidal. Antibiotics kill. But this is not the same type of killing that John Wayne was noted for. When he fired at the bad guy, the bad guy fell over dead. Was then presumed to be buried. But when bactericidal antibiotics kill a bacterium, the bacterium explodes (see Figure 10).

The fragments are not eliminated immediately, for each piece is a lipopolysaccharide called endotoxin.12 By way of contrast, exotoxins are the toxic chemicals that are released by pathogenic bacteria, and endotoxins are toxic entities (fragments of the original bacteria) that are the result of the bacterial explosion caused by the antibiotic. Endotoxins present a huge challenge to the immune system, for now, instead of facing one bacterium, it has to process and eliminate perhaps one hundred endotoxins. With dozens of bacteria to confront from each single root canal or cavitation, no one antibiotic can kill all of them, and if there were one, the resulting dead bacterial corpses would overwhelm the body and produce either greater disease or death.

Broad spectrum antibiotics cannot be used for this reason.
Sometimes even one capsule of antibiotic produces more problems than the immune system can tolerate. Plus, of course, it takes only two or three capsules to completely sterilize the gut of its four or more pounds of friendly bacteria. Antibiotics are far more powerful and potentially devastating than I ever thought they were. Antibiotics should be used with ultra caution, not routinely given for ten days or so after oral surgery, “just in case.”

There are other ways to get these microbes under control, and several are being tested at this time. It is advantageous to have intravenous vitamin C and occasionally a non-killing antibiotic is added to this solution. This combination does reduce the challenge to the immune system, but, overall, root canals represent the rock-and-hard-place situation.

Leave the root canal or cavitation in the body, and there is the potential of creating an unwanted autoimmune or degenerative disease that could be life threatening. Toxins and bacteria can both leak from these contamination sites wreaking havoc with a person’s cardiovascular, endocrine, nervous and immune systems. The public needs to be informed, so they can make educated choices in the trade-off between toxic convenience and health.

Removing the offending tooth presents problems that must be confronted, or other problems can be induced—problems not as dangerous as the continuous bacterial spill, but ones that need to be avoided if possible. In order to allow the immune system to focus on healing, all other offending dental materials should be removed (mercury, copper, implants, tattoos and nickel crowns) so that the immune system can deal with the bacterial challenge instead of the bacteria plus toxic metals. Nutrition should be calculated from the aspect of the blood chemistries commensurate with one’s ancestral diet and in line with the dietary principles formulated by Dr. Price. Recovery from a root canal is complicated, but your patient’s life is worth salvaging.
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Let’s look at five major bacterial species lurking in root canals more closely, keeping in mind that these are only five of the fifty-three that are routinely found in root canal teeth.

Capnocytophaga ochracea: Found in brain abscesses associated with dental source of infection. Causes human disease in the central nervous system. Also related to septicemia and meningitis.4

Fusobacterium nucleatum: Produces toxins that inhibit fibroblast cell division and wound healing processes. Causes infection in the heart, joints, liver and spleen.5,6

Gemella morbillorum: Linked to acute invasive endocarditis, septic arthritis and meningitis.7

Leptotrichia buccalis: Reduces the number of neutrophils (a critically important white blood cell), thus lowering immune competence.8

Porphyromonas gingivalis: Destroys red blood cells by drilling holes (porins) in them, causing the cell to “bleed to death.” Low red cell counts that do not recover after dental revision are frequently responding to the porin activity of this microbe. P. gingivalis also alters the integrity of the endothelial lining of blood vessels, which leads to inflammation and bleeding in the inner lining of blood vessels. This is the key step in formation of atherogenesis that leads to heart attacks. P. gingivalis can change friendly bacteria into pathogens.9
 
Aragorn said:
Kasia said:
Agree. That's why I'm going to experiment first with bromalain and EDTA to destroy potential biofilms and then take some natural antibiotics - mix of mushrooms + maybe fluconazole instead of "hard" antibiotics.

If I've understood correctly, even if you choose the natural approach (no abx), you need a combination: products weakening/destroying biofilms and antimicrobial products. So, knowledge of what things to use, what they do, is essential. Once the biofilm is weakened/destroyed, the nasties who lurk under it will come out in circulation (makes you nauseous imagining that process!). The good thing in this - if there is one - is that the critters lurking under the biofilm are at least for a short time more vulnerable. The outer layer of the biofilm has created resistance for certain compounds (like abx), but those lurking under might have not - that is why they hide there!

Just saw Laura's post: before you start the treatment, it's best to get up to speed of what properties various products have

That's the case. If you don't let them out of the biofilm you will never detect and know them. Even if it occurs they are kind of virulent and attack the body and if natural drugs (antibacterial, antiviral or antifugi) do not work, you can then consult your doctor (and there is a chance he/she will treat you seriously if there are some acute symptoms) to do some lab tests to name the bugs, create an antybiogram or whatever, choose the right drug and try to get rid of them.

Otherwise you can only guess or suppose what the critters are and suffer on, cause no doctor will treat you seriously if there are not any distinct symptoms and unsettling lab tests which would let diagnose a concrete illness. He/she will tell you to go home, relax and forget.

I've have been following this topic from the very beginning and do also my own research. It's obvious that before taking any substances you should get to know their properties. On the other hand even having known their properties and interactions you never know how you will react to them until you try them out. No venture, no gain.
 

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