AUTOIMMUNE DISEASES CAUSED BY AN INFECTION?

JEEP said:
I know Laura has mentioned she has several root canals but has also indicated her RA started in childhood. I don't know if there's a connection,

Yes, the RA began after a severe illness in childhood from which I never fully recovered. I wrote about it in "Grace".

I didn't get my first root canal until I was almost 30 and never had a minute's trouble with it to this very day. The ones I had a few years ago have also not given me any trouble. What DID give me a problem from the age of 19 was an inflamed pocket under a perfectly healthy tooth that started right after the removal of the wisdom tooth just behind it. That damned tooth gave me fits for years and years and I finally had a root canal done on it a few years ago and it is much better though it IS my "inflammation signal." I know when things are wonky because I feel a little soreness there. However, even that has gone away with the antibiotic protocol.

I think the people going after root canals are barking up the wrong tree. It's not the root canal, it's the already present pathogen.
 
I went to see my doctor yesterday and I was so pleased to talk to him as usual. He's one doctor that is always trying to stay up to date with new research on the field of functional medicine and other stuff.

Well... I discussed a bit about the protocol with him. And he told me about Mercola's article on Doxycycline and RA. He thinks that it's OK but he doesn't agree too much on the focus on the antibiotics. He says there's no quick fix to these issues as they are probably a combination of factors, including genetic makeup, environment and lifestyle. So the best thing would be to try to get the most information we can on all these fields before believing an antibiotic protocol will cure us.

Now, I know this is the approach here,but I just wanted to mention his thoughts because their important, IMO.

When he mentioned the genetic makeup, I mentioned that I've been reading a bit about MTHFR mutations and their role on health issues, and maybe one of the factors that make one more vulnerable to infection. And not only he agreed to that, but he also showed me some posters he has explaining the mehylation pahways and that it is actually a subject he studies a lot and he thinks is fascinating.

I think it is very important to understand more about it as well, because, after killing all the pathogens one will continue to be prone to infection if methylation pathways aren't working properly, and one CAN bypass this genetic makeup with some supplements and protocols as well. I'm thinking of what Chu asked in the last session. It's OK to nuke them all, but it's important to think of something that will protect us better after the nuclear war on the critters.

Regarding my own prescription. He suspects I'm full of worm parasites, Candida albicans and Clostridium difficile, and I think so too. It's been a long time since I haven't done any antiparasitic protocol, and in South America it is very important to do them every year, because our water isn't very treated and over here we have an almost tropical weather, perfect for worm parasites. Candida albicans is just the usual suspect and it's better to go after it, and he suspects Clostridium difficile because my mother had a huge amount of it, and I mentioned I'm having some mood problems.

So I'll go through a protocol of an antiparasitic drug for worms, with Nyastatin, for the Candida. After that (and after some testing to see how my liver and kidneys are working), he wants me to do a Metronidazole/perenterol protocol. Perenterol is a probiotic composed of Saccharomyces boulardii, which is good against Clostridium difficile. This will be a chance to see how I react to Metronidazole already, and everything under medical guidance, so I'm quite happy with that.

After that I'll do an EDTA protocol, with bromelain included. And only after I've done all of that, I will go through the antibiotic 6 months protocol.

Overall, I'm happy to have a doctor like him around. He's expensive, but every time I go I feel he deserves the pay so much!

One thing that he mentioned as very important is the ability of mycoplasma to mimic molecules in our body. He said that, in many cases, even the mycoplasma is too big to pass through the gut wholes, so only some parts of it go through and they start a process of molecular mimicry that might be underlying autoimmune disease.

Here's something on it:

Molecular mimicry and immune-mediated diseases

Abstract

Molecular mimicry has been proposed as a pathogenetic mechanism for autoimmune disease, as well as a probe useful in uncovering its etiologic agents. The hypothesis is based in part on the abundant epidemiological, clinical, and experimental evidence of an association of infectious agents with autoimmune disease and observed cross-reactivity of immune reagents with host ‘self’ antigens and microbial determinants. For our purpose, molecular mimicry is defined as similar structures shared by molecules from dissimilar genes or by their protein products. Either the molecules' linear amino acid sequences or their conformational fits may be shared, even though their origins are as separate as, for example, a virus and a normal host–self determinant. An immune response against the determinant shared by the host and virus can evoke a tissue-specific immune response that is presumably capable of eliciting cell and tissue destruction. The probable mechanism is generation of cytotoxic cross-reactive effector lymphocytes or antibodies that recognize specific determinants on target cells. The induction of cross-reactivity does not require a replicating agent, and immune-mediated injury can occur after the immunogen has been removed—a hit-and-run event. Hence, the viral or microbial infection that initiates the autoimmune phenomenon may not be present by the time overt disease develops. By a complementary mechanism, the microbe can induce cellular injury and release self antigens, which generate immune responses that cross-react with additional but genetically distinct self antigens. In both scenarios, analysis of the T cells or antibodies specifically engaged in the autoimmune response and disease provides a fingerprint for uncovering the initiating infectious agent.—Oldstone, M. B. A. Molecular mimicry and immune-mediated diseases. FASEB J. 12, 1255–1265 (1998)

Full article: http://www.fasebj.org/content/12/13/1255.full

Is Molecular Mimicry Involved in Mycoplasma-Related Acute Motor Axonal Neuropathy?

The acute motor axonal neuropathy (AMAN) variant of Guillain-Barré syndrome (GBS) typically is seen after infection with Campylobacter jejuni, which contains a terminal polysaccharide epitope identical to that of the GM1 ganglioside found in motor and sensory axolemma. Patients with C. jejuni-associated AMAN often have elevated anti-GM1 IgG antibodies. Moreover, the histologic and electrophysiologic characteristics of AMAN have been reproduced in rabbits immunized with GM1 ganglioside (Ann Neurol 2001; 49:712 and 2003; 54:383). These observations support molecular mimicry as a mechanism of AMAN, wherein an antibody to a bacterial antigen cross-reacts with ganglioside on human axolemma, initiating axonal neuropathy.

Mycoplasma pneumoniae infection also is associated with some cases of AMAN and with some cases of typical demyelinative GBS. Similar to the association between anti-GM1 antibodies and C. jejuni-related GBS, an antibody response to galactocerebroside (GalC), a component of peripheral myelin, has been found in some GBS patients after M. pneumoniae infection, and a GalC epitope is found in M. pneumoniae. To examine whether GalC or GM1 is involved in M. pneumoniae-associated GBS, researchers tested antibody reactivity to these two antigens in blood from one patient who developed AMAN after M. pneumoniae infection. They conducted confirmatory tests in animal models and reviewed 136 GBS patients' previous antibody test results.

The authors found that M. pneumoniae contained a GM1 epitope and that an M. pneumoniae infection in the patient induced IgM and IgG GM1 antibody formation. The patient's IgM (but not IgG) plasma fraction immunostained rat ventral root axons. The patient also had high anti-GalC IgM and IgG antibody titers, but a lack of immunoreactivity showed that this was unlikely to be pathogenetic, at least in this patient. Among six other patients with M. pneumoniae-related GBS, the authors could not clearly prove that GM1 or GalC molecular mimicry played a role.

See more at: http://www.jwatch.org/jn200406240000003/2004/06/24/molecular-mimicry-involved-mycoplasma-related#sthash.Tch1zW2i.dpuf

And I've found a book on the subject: Molecular Mimicry: Cross-Reactivity Between Microbes and Host Proteins as a Cause of Autoimmunity
https://books.google.com.py/books?id=PJ_vCAAAQBAJ&dq=mycoplasma+infection+molecular+mimicry&hl=es&source=gbs_navlinks_s

I think I'll order it, but it's a google book so one can read it online as well, I think.
 
This is a report from my first week on the protocol.

I started on Saturday 8th on AM with doxycycline adjusted for my weight: 200mg in the morning.

Symptoms started within hours:

I came down with flu like symptoms. I have a bronchitis cough for which I got cortisone inhalations from a colleague today.

I feel like I have a fever, but temperature is fine. I also have joint stiffness and pain, particularly the small joints in hands and feet. The pain is more pronounced on a different joint each day. Today, pain is more symmetrical across all metacarpal joints. Neck stiffness gets better as I get moving.

I get tired very easily and if I don't rest, my eyes get red and look generally, very fatigued.

I also got itchiness and a mild rash in my cheeks and around my nose.

My symptoms remind me of the classical pneumonia by chlamydia or mycoplasma pneumonia:

Walking Pneumonia

_http://www.webmd.com/lung/walking-pneumonia?page=2

Cough that may come in violent spasms but produce very little mucus
Mild flu-like symptoms such as fever and chills
Sore throat
Headache
Tiredness
Lingering weakness that may persist after other symptoms go away

Some people with walking pneumonia may also have an ear infection, anemia, or a skin rash.

Only that it was triggered by antibiotics... Who would have known!
 
Laura said:
I think the people going after root canals are barking up the wrong tree. It's not the root canal, it's the already present pathogen.

Just to add my situation on this. I've had two complete root canal failures and, two others that have never been a problem. So in my case, why did they fail (it's a miserable experience)? I've read a lot of the arguments that have been presented on this subject, so was primed to fear these. However, both failures were not the teeth per say, it was the dentist doing substandard work. In one, and a person would never realize this until things became really apparent, he broke the file off in the tooth (a millimeter or so long); of course he never revealed this either, and which it only turned up on a future x-ray from a better dentist. i'm sure if the same dentist had pulled the tooth, he would never have told me the causation. In the other case, the same dentist drilled outside the canal itself, like slant drilling. It took some time to notice, yet the tooth, due to bacterias by not drilling out the real root, started to be "reabsorbed" leaving a pocket void for the development of bacterias. And again, had he pulled that tooth, the causation would have been hidden I'm sure.

So one has to wonder if much of the problems that come up with root canals can be attributed to just poor dental workmanship without the patient ever knowing, and of course, as was mentioned above, the presents of pathogens in ones system to begin with?
 
I've been searching a bit more about molecular mimicry, please tell me if it is off topic, but I think there might be a clue for prevention after treatment. I can't find anything suggesting a treatment in these papers, so I think I will search in the field of regulating the immune system again, which I think is related to gut health and MTHFR health.

Here are some excerpts:

Molecular Mimicry as a Mechanism of Autoimmune Disease
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3266166/

Chronic autoimmune diseases are the byproduct of the immune system recognizing self-antigens as foreign, which can lead to inflammation and destruction of specific tissues and organs (immunopathology) [1]. The impact of these diseases is global and heterogeneous with over 100 million people afflicted with more than 80 different autoimmune diseases [2]. While the etiology of autoimmune diseases is not fully elucidated, the causes are likely based on a combination of hereditary and environmental factors [3]. Although host genetic background contributes to the induction of an immune response to self, epidemiological and molecular evidence implicates infectious agents (viral and bacterial) as the principal environmental insults responsible for the induction of autoimmune diseases (reviewed in [4–6]). Prolonged proinflammatory responses to infections have been associated with the initiation and exacerbation of autoimmune diseases (reviewed in [4, 7, 8]). Inflammation is facilitated by proinflammatory cytokines such as type I interferon (IFN), interleukin (IL)-1β, IL-12, IFNγ, IL-17 and tumor necrosis factor (TNF) α (reviewed in [7, 9, 10]). However, these proinflammatory cytokines are critical for clearance of pathogens, suggesting that environmental factors are able to divert the immune response towards immunopathogenesis. Although a number of immune cells are responsible for secreting proinflammatory cytokines, the primary cell types implicated in a vast majority of autoimmune disorders are autoreactive B and T cells, or antibody recognition of self [11]. Although a number of viruses and bacteria have been linked to the initiation of certain autoimmune diseases, identifying a particular virus or bacteria that is solely responsible for the induction of an autoimmune response is rare. This occurrence is due to the potential for multiple infections being involved in priming the immune system and other infections triggering disease, which could explain why no one viral infection has been conclusively linked to the development of immune mediated autoimmune diseases [7]. However, there are a variety of examples of bacterial infections initiating and exacerbating autoimmune diseases. Streptococcus pyogenes is a gram-positive bacterium which causes group A streptococcal infection that is responsible for a number of diseases. The complications associated with S. pyogenes are rheumatic fever and glomerulonephritis. The infection causes the production of cross-reactive antibodies in response to the bacteria. Antibodies recognize the M protein (virulence factor) and the N-acetyl-β-D-glucosamine (GLcNAc) of S. pyogenes and cross-react with myosin leading to heart damage (reviewed in [8, 12, 13]). Further evidence of molecular mimicry due to the production of cross-reactive antibody includes infection with gram-negative bacteria, such as Klebsiella pneumonia and Campylobacter jejuni. Infection with K. pneumonia or C. jejuni leads to the production of cross-reactive antibodies able to recognize the self-antigens histocompatibility leukocyte antigen (HLA)-B27 and gangliosides, which induces ankylosing spondylitis and Guillan-Barre′ syndrome, respectively (reviewed in [8, 14]). Examples of human autoimmune diseases with possible links with molecular mimicry are presented in Table 1.

Table 1
Examples of Human Autoimmune Diseases with Possible Molecular Mimicry as a Mechanism
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3266166/table/T1/

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Unfortunately, there are a variety of mechanisms including molecular mimicry, bystander activation, exposure of cryptic antigens, and superantigens by which pathogens can aid in the expression of an autoimmune disease [16–21]. Inflammation induced by exposure to a foreign antigen can lead to autoimmune diseases from cross-reactive epitopes (molecular mimicry). These epitopes are segments of foreign antigens which, when presented to either T or B cells in the context of the MHC, can activate CD4+ or CD8+ T cells. The induction of the immune response and subsequent proinflammatory cytokine release is critical for clearance of a virus or bacteria. However, a sustained proinflammatory response against specific host tissues can occur when there is sequence or structural homology between foreign antigens and self-antigens, termed molecular mimicry [18]. Although this concept has been associated with autoimmunity, there are instances where mimicry (cross-reactivity) provides protection for the host, termed heterologous immunity [22]. Cross-reactivity or mimicry between various strains of viruses or bacteria could help explain how protective immunity arises in certain individuals even in the absence of prior exposure to an emerging pathogen. This example of sequence homology in which molecular mimicry between viruses leads to protective immunity is in contrast to a pathogen mimicking host epitopes.

Brief history of molecular mimicry

Over 30 years ago, molecular mimicry by either a virus [18] or bacteria [23] was hypothesized to initiate and exacerbate an autoimmune response through sequence or structural similarities with self-antigens. Currently, molecular mimicry is the prevailing hypothesis as to how viral antigens initiate and maintain autoimmune responses which lead to specific tissue damage [18]. Initial work by Fujinami, Oldstone, and colleagues identified mouse antibodies to measles virus and herpes simplex virus (HSV-1) obtained from antibody-secreting B cell clones [18]. These antibodies were reactive to both intermediate filaments of normal cells and the proteins of measles virus and HSV-1, thereby demonstrating a relatedness between host and viral antigens [18]. Further work by Fujinami and Oldstone used myelin basic protein (MBP), a nerve sheath protein containing an encephalitogenic T cell epitope in rabbits. The hepatitis B virus polymerase (HBVP) protein was found through computer analysis to share six consecutive amino acids with the encephalitogenic MBP epitope [16] and when rabbits were sensitized with either MBP or HBV peptides, the rabbit's tissue serum reacted against MBP. Further, rabbits sensitized with the HBVP peptide developed central nervous system (CNS) pathology similar to rabbits sensitized with whole MBP protein or the MBP peptide [16]. Importantly, the rabbits sensitized with HBVP did not contract hepatitis but still developed encephalomyelitis and presented with a similar pathology as MBP sensitized mice. These experiments were the first experimental demonstration of molecular mimicry, whereby a microbial peptide with similar amino acid sequences to the self-peptide was able to activate autoreactive T cells and subsequently cause specific tissue damage.

Relationship between molecular mimicry and autoimmune diseases

Immune cells of the adaptive immune response are specifically activated, but the hallmark of autoimmunity is the dysregulation of the immune system, especially T and B cells recognizing self-antigens as foreign. The ability of T cells to evade central (thymic selection) and peripheral (Tregs) mechanisms of tolerance is evident by the large number of T cell mediated human autoimmune diseases, such as type-1 diabetes, systemic lupus erythematosus, rheumatoid arthritis and multiple sclerosis (MS) [24–28]. Molecular mimicry has been implicated in the pathogenesis of many of these autoimmune diseases including MS, spondyloarthropathies, Graves' disease, and diabetes mellitus [16, 29, 30]. In the case of MS, it has been hypothesized that certain viruses, such as Epstein-Barr virus (EBV), share sequence homology with antigenic structures in the CNS [31].

Activation of an autoimmune response could be enhanced by a variety of other, albeit, non-mutually exclusive non-specific mechanisms including bystander activation and superantigens. The difference between other non-specific mechanisms that initiate autoimmunity and molecular mimicry is that microbial mimics specifically direct the immune response towards a tissue and/or organ. Originally, T cell recognition was postulated to be highly specific and cross-reactivity was thought to be a rare phenomenon. However, the structural requirements for peptide binding by MHC class II molecules that are presented to T cells were found to be based on amino acid properties, and amino acids sharing similar chemical features were able to bind at the same peptide MHC binding groove, thereby demonstrating that binding motifs were degenerate with only a small sequence needed for TCR recognition [32–34].

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Linear sequence matches in amino acid motifs is not the only criteria for mimicry [32]. It has been hypothesized that self-reactive immune cells are primed by molecular mimicry and bystander activation, thereby sensitizing the immune cells and leading to a “fertile field” but no apparent disease. Subsequent environmental insults could induce these sensitized autoreactive cells to cause an autoimmune disease. Work from our laboratory demonstrated that recombinant viruses having molecular mimicry with self-CNS antigens were unable to initiate an autoimmune disease individually [38]. However, infected mice that were subsequently challenged, after viral clearance, with a non-specific immunologic insult developed disease [38]. Further, subsequent experiments showed that conventional inflammatory responses to specific pathogens were able to induce disease in animals primed with a molecular mimic to a CNS antigen [39]. Therefore, not only is the priming of the immune system necessary for an autoimmune disease but the milieu to which the primed immune cells are exposed is an important factor in initiating an autoimmune disease.

The whole article is very interesting IMO, but also hard to understand for me because I lack the basis... I have to go and search for every word I don't understand so I'm very slow.

Another one:

Molecular Mimicry, Bystander Activation, or Viral Persistence: Infections and Autoimmune Disease
http://cmr.asm.org/content/19/1/80.full

SUMMARY

Virus infections and autoimmune disease have long been linked. These infections often precede the occurrence of inflammation in the target organ. Several mechanisms often used to explain the association of autoimmunity and virus infection are molecular mimicry, bystander activation (with or without epitope spreading), and viral persistance. These mechanisms have been used separately or in various combinations to account for the immunopathology observed at the site of infection and/or sites of autoimmune disease, such as the brain, heart, and pancreas. These mechanisms are discussed in the context of multiple sclerosis, myocarditis, and diabetes, three immune-medicated diseases often linked with virus infections.

Virus-Host Interactions

With most microbes and their hosts, there is a balance between the virus and the host. From the perspective of the virus, if it is too virulent it will either kill the host prior to being ableto spread to other susceptible hosts or it will kill all susceptible hosts; in either case, the virus will disappear from nature. However, if the virus is not virulent enough, the host's immune system will eliminate it before it can spread to other hosts, and the virus will become extinct. From the host's perspective, too weak an immune response may allow rapid viral dissemination, leading to death; but too strong an immune response may cause dramatic immunopathology which, in some cases, may also be lethal. For example, CNS infection by lymphocytic choriomeningitis virus (LCMV) leads to an intense antiviral T-cell response and consequent fatal choriomeningitis. Thus, the virus is trying to evade the host's immune response and spread to other hosts, and the host is attempting to eliminate the virus without causing too much tissue damage. The longer the virus and the host interact, the more the two seem to adapt towards peaceful coexistence. For example, herpesviruses are carried by almost all adult humans but cause only a sporadic (and usually very mild) disease; and the papovavirus JC virus can persist for the life of the host, usually without ever causing disease.

The Fertile Field

The fertile field concept has been recently reviewed (143) and may involve all three mechanisms: molecular mimicry, bystander activation and viral persistence. In brief, we proposed that any given individual may be repeatedly exposed to a potential immunogen without any untoward consequences; but that under some circumstances, for example, if the person had a viral infection at the time of exposure, infection would alter the immunological environment in which the antigen was encountered, leading to a profound immune response. In other words, the virus, even if it contained no cross-reactive antigens, would give rise to a fertile field in which immune responses to any exogenous antigen might flourish. A fertile field could be generated in other ways. For example, an infection with a virus having molecular mimicry to self CNS proteins can potentially prime autoreactive T cells but not to the point where they can initiate autoimmune inflammatory CNS disease; later events may trigger these cells to cause disease. In the diabetes and Theiler's murine encephalomyocarditis virus models, inflammation due to aberrant cytokine expression or inflammation induced by infection of the target organ appears to be a requisite for the creation of a fertile field.

In the following sections, the potential mechanisms for immune mediated diseases will be discussed for three organs: the CNS, heart, and pancreas.

CONCLUSION

The occurrence of autoimmunity and some forms of myocarditis is clearly a consequence of genetic factors coupled with exposure to environmental factors. Viruses have been shown to be one of the environmental factors that are capable of precipitating autoimmune disease by a variety of possible mechanisms discussed here. On the other side of the coin, viruses have the potential to abrogate an ongoing autoimmune reaction by inducing apoptosis of autoreactive cells, by influencing cellular trafficking, or by immune suppression (see Fig. 3 for an overview). However, it has been difficult to provide direct evidence for the involvement of viruses in human autoimmune diseases, perhaps because the causative virus has been cleared by the time of diagnosis. Further, it will be more difficult to obtain direct evidence for virus-induced protection from disease, since we are all infected by multiple viruses.

I haven't read all the article, but it seems to be very interesting. It gives an overview on the role of infections in some autoimmune diseases, including diabetes.

Another one about mycoplasma:

Mycoplasmas: sophisticated, reemerging, and burdened by their notoriety.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2627593/pdf/9126441.pdf

Abstract
Mycoplasmas are most unusual self-replicating bacteria, possessing very small genomes, lacking cell wall components, requiring cholesterol for membrane function and growth, using UGA codon for tryptophan, passing through "bacterial-retaining" filters, and displaying genetic economy that requires a strict dependence on the host for nutrients and refuge. In addition, many of the mycoplasmas pathogenic for humans and animals possess extraordinary specialized tip organelles that mediate their intimate interaction with eucaryotic cells. This host-adapted survival is achieved through surface parasitism of target cells, acquisition of essential biosynthetic precursors, and in some cases, subsequent entry and survival intracellularly. Misconceptions concerning the role of mycoplasmas in disease pathogenesis can be directly attributed to their biological subtleties and to fundamental deficits in understanding their virulence capabilities. In this review, we highlight the biology and pathogenesis of these procaryotes and provide new evidence that may lead to increased appreciation of their role as human pathogens.

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Another characteristic of the cytadherencerelated
proteins is their proline-rich composition,
which markedly influences protein folding and
binding. Several reports have established the
importance of these proline-rich domains in mycoplasmal
cytadherence and virulence (47,48,62,63),
and recent evidence further suggests that mycoplasmal
peptidyl-prolyl isomerases, i.e., cyclophilins,
are critical in regulating the conformation
and function of the mycoplasmal cytadherencerelated
tip organelle, colony morphology, and
growth (14,64). In addition to this proline-rich
property, one of the most unusual features of the
adhesins is their extensive sequence homology to
mammalian structural proteins
(1,14,33,43,47,48).
This molecular mimicry is especially interesting
since it has been suggested for decades that
mycoplasmas provoke an anti-self response that
triggers immune disorders
, although the basis
for the induction has been elusive (65). Patients
with documented M. pneumoniae respiratory
infections demonstrate seroconversion to myosin,
keratin, and fibrinogen (33) and exhibit extrapulmonary
manifestations, such as exanthems and
cardiac abnormalities. Furthermore, a classic
example of bacteria-mediated autoimmune disorders
is the development of acute rheumatic
fever following streptococcal infection (66). Antistreptococcal
antibodies reactive against a-helical
coiled-coil regions of the M protein cross-react
with heart myosin, tropomyosin, and mycoplasmal
adhesins (14,66). In the latter case, these mycoplasmal
adhesins exhibit amino acid sequence
homologies with human CD4 and class II major
histocompatibility complex lymphocyte proteins,
which could generate autoreactive antibodies
and trigger cell killing and immunosuppression
(67,68). Also, mycoplasmas may serve as B-cell
and T-cell mitogens and induce autoimmune
disease through the activation of anti-self T cells
or polyclonal B cells. The multiorgan protean
manifestations of mycoplasmal infections in
humans are consistent with the pathogenesis of
autoimmunity. Furthermore, the ability of mycoplasmas
to induce a broad range of immunoregulatory
events, mediated by cytokine production
and direct effects on macrophages, B and T cells,
and glial cells, is evidence that mycoplasmas
possess the attributes of primary mediators of
pathogenesis (1,2,12,69). For example, cytokine
production and lymphocyte activation may either
minimize disease through the activation of host
defense mechanisms or exacerbate disease through
lesion development (69,70). Also, a superantigen
derived from Mycoplasma arthritidis, a mycoplasma
pathogenic for rodents, induces arthritis
and chronic disease manifestations (69). It has
been suggested that related superantigen-like
molecules may exist in mycoplasmas of human
origin triggering autoimmune and other
inflammatory pathologies.

The article is also interesting because it discuses many details about mycoplasma and infections.

As I said, I still don't know what to make of this information in the practical sense, I just see it as very interesting and maybe a way to understand the pathogenesis a bit more. It reminds me a bit of psychopaths who look the same, and even act as normal human beings. Almost like mimicry. By remaining hidden, they can induce the "divide and conquer" strategy by making us fight against each other... almost like an autoimmune disease in a human scale (instead of fighting against the real pathogen, we fight against our own "human super-organism"

One of the papers mentioned the MHC as having a role in the susceptibility to infections leading to autoimmune disease. From Wikipedia:

The major histocompatibility complex (MHC) is a set of cell surface molecules encoded by a large gene family which controls a major part of the immune system in all vertebrates. The major function of major histocompatibility complexes is to bind to peptide fragments derived from pathogens and display them on the cell surface for recognition by the appropriate T-cells.[1] MHC molecules mediate interactions of leukocytes, also called white blood cells (WBCs), which are immune cells, with other leukocytes or with body cells. The MHC determines compatibility of donors for organ transplant, as well as one's susceptibility to an autoimmune disease via crossreacting immunization. In humans, the MHC is also called the human leukocyte antigen (HLA).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Major_histocompatibility_complex

I wonder if there is a relation between MHC and MTHFR mutation. :huh:
 
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The MHC does come up again and again in several diseases. One usually finds it as certain HLA genes which predisposes you to certain autoimmune diseases.

For instance, there is a genetic predisposition where HLA-DQ genes located on chromosome 6 makes you vulnerable to gluten intolerance. HLA (human leukocyte antigen) system AKA the MHC (major histocompatibility complex) contains a large number of genes related to the function of the immune system.

This brings the subject of the fixed genetic myth Vs epigenetic factors. The later ones are beyond the control of the gene and they are determining how DNA will be interpreted, translated and expressed. The epigenetic factors are determining which genes will turn on and which ones will shut-off. Diet and our environment (including parasites) influence the epigenetic factors. Some food for thought from Sayer Ji (2010):

[N]utritional deficiencies of selenium, zinc, riboflavin, vitamin E, etc. in the womb or early in life, may “trigger” the faulty expression or folding patterns of the Cystic Fibrosis Transmembrane Conductance Regulator (CFTR) gene in Cystic Fibrosis which might otherwise have avoided epigenetic activation. This would explain why it is possible to live into one’s late seventies with this condition, as was the case for Katherine Shores (1925-2004). The implications of these findings are rather extraordinary: epigenetic and not genetic factors are primary in determining disease outcome. Even if we exclude the possibility of reversing certain monogenic diseases, the basic lesson from the post-Genomic era is that we can’t blame our DNA for causing disease. Rather, it may have more to do with what we choose to expose our DNA to.

http://www.greenmedinfo.com/page/dark-side-wheat-new-perspectives-celiac-disease-wheat-intolerance-sayer-ji

Well, perhaps we didn't have much of a choice. Perhaps removing the causative agents would allow for a better qualitative of life and better healing regardless of predisposing genes. Then, health resilience could be built to prevent re-infection, although basic hygiene measures are also very important.

Just some thoughts.
 
JEEP said:
Unlike antineoplastons, however, Gc-MAF hasn’t had the benefit of a single patent owner[/b] – as a natural molecule, it cannot be patented without being modified – with the will and resources to push it under the noses of the public and health authorities. Dr Yamamoto has run small human trials in breast, prostate and colorectal cancers, with promising results. However, he is by no means alone, as David Noakes is at pains to point out: “There’s better research than Dr Yamamoto’s out there these days, and it’s all listed on our website,” he says.

David Noakes might just be the person to bring Gc-MAF into the mainstream. He’s the CEO of Immuno Biotech Ltd. and spokesperson for First Immune Gc-MAF, a project he describes as, “PhD and BSc biochemists and biomedical scientists...with external doctors, oncologists and scientists who kindly provide advice, committed to bringing some of the increasing number of published but relatively unused medical cures to as many people as we can.” At the moment, Noakes and his colleagues are supplying Gc-MAF to 30 countries where it is legal, via a network of “around 300” doctors. Their Gc-MAF is made to extremely high standards, and is being used in ongoing clinical research by Noakes’ collaborators and others. Their ultimate goal is to, “Build the case that GcMAF is effective for various illnesses, which will help to make it available to the public”.


The thrust of this article is less about antineoplastons than it is the suppression of non-conventional cancer treatments by the government.

After reading about this David Noakes, something just didn't feel right about him. So I decided to do some digging.
Sure enough, I found something that doesn't sit right.

This blog has some people lambasting Noakes, and exposing some details about him.
I smell a rat and probably a 'British Establishment' type rat.

http://guernseypress.com/news/2013/01/24/cancer-cure-claim-sparks-heated-debate-at-seminar/+&cd=2&hl=en&ct=clnk/

Even more disgusted...
January 26, 2013 7:17 pm

Could you please enlighten us about the association-with both David Icke and the "office" located at Fort George?

Amazing how many "ethical" products you can purchase over the internet for 800 euros......

I am only surprised that you havent set up a stall in the market trying to flog this rubbish. Peer reviewed papers? You must think the general public are as naive as you are.



scarlett
January 27, 2013 11:00 am

Leslie. I am interested to know...

How and why has Mr Noakes gone from being a UK Councillor and UKIP politician to this?

What are his actual qualifications and experience that enable him to do what is a considerable leap from politics to championing this alleged cancer cure all?

Why has he relocated to Guernsey (Fort George) to run this business? Why can't he run it from the UK?

Something doesn't feel right about your employer. He's not a scientist, his association with this business, and to be clear, Leslie, this IS a for-profit business, not charity, remains unclear, he is evidentially very wealthy (judging by his choice of address) and has relocated here for reasons unknown....

I have read his blogs and seen a few of his many You Tube posts, and he quite plainly likes to be in the limelight whether it's to slate the UK's involvement in the EU, discuss conspiracy theories (i too am bemused by his association with that nutcase David Icke)tell us all how he can 'cure cancer', and all the self aggrandisement is somewhat off putting, some would say, a distraction, from the actual subject matter.

The limited nature of his vague in house trials and the fact that despite millions being spent on easily verifiable legitimate cancer research, those bodies have thus far apparently 'failed' to come up with anything as allegedly successful as Mr Noakes's company

makes me very sceptical indeed, and I would also question whether an individual such as Mr Noakes is best placed to champion a product which, if his claims are true, could literally save many lives, and of course, make him a LOT of money.....

Sorry, I'm not buying it, literally or metaphorically
 
Ocean said:
After reading about this David Noakes, something just didn't feel right about him. So I decided to do some digging.
Sure enough, I found something that doesn't sit right.

Yeah, he raises red flags in a lot of people. More information on this thread:

http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,39128.msg592289.html#msg592289

FWIW.
 
Hmmm very interesting Gaby
I have also discovered that Noakes is in fact an owner or director of 33 companies, from printers to publishers, from marine salvage to tug boats and from web-design to civil engineering.
 
I hope I'm not opening a new can of worms here (pun intended!), but there is also this about so called nanobacteria:

_http://newscenter.lbl.gov/2015/02/27/ultra-small-bacteria/
First Detailed Microscopy Evidence of Bacteria at the Lower Size Limit of Life
Berkeley Lab research provides comprehensive description of ultra-small bacteria
News Release Dan Krotz 510-486-4019 • FEBRUARY 27, 2015

Scientists have captured the first detailed microscopy images of ultra-small bacteria that are believed to be about as small as life can get. The research was led by scientists from the U.S. Department of Energy’s Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory and the University of California, Berkeley. The existence of ultra-small bacteria has been debated for two decades, but there hasn’t been a comprehensive electron microscopy and DNA-based description of the microbes until now.

The cells have an average volume of 0.009 cubic microns (one micron is one millionth of a meter). About 150 of these bacteria could fit inside an Escherichia coli cell and more than 150,000 cells could fit onto the tip of a human hair.

The scientists report their findings Friday, Feb. 27, in the journal Nature Communications.

The diverse bacteria were found in groundwater and are thought to be quite common. They’re also quite odd, which isn’t a surprise given the cells are close to and in some cases smaller than several estimates for the lower size limit of life. This is the smallest a cell can be and still accommodate enough material to sustain life. The bacterial cells have densely packed spirals that are probably DNA, a very small number of ribosomes, hair-like appendages, and a stripped-down metabolism that likely requires them to rely on other bacteria for many of life’s necessities.

The bacteria are from three microbial phyla that are poorly understood. Learning more about the organisms from these phyla could shed light on the role of microbes in the planet’s climate, our food and water supply, and other key processes.

These newly described ultra-small bacteria are an example of a subset of the microbial life on earth that we know almost nothing about,” says Jill Banfield, a Senior Faculty Scientist in Berkeley Lab’s Earth Sciences Division and a UC Berkeley professor in the departments of Earth and Planetary Science and Environmental Science, Policy and Management.

“They’re enigmatic. These bacteria are detected in many environments and they probably play important roles in microbial communities and ecosystems. But we don’t yet fully understand what these ultra-small bacteria do,” says Banfield.

Banfield is a co-corresponding author of the Nature Communications paper with Birgit Luef, a former postdoctoral researcher in Banfield’s group who is now at the Norwegian University of Science and Technology, Trondheim.

“There isn’t a consensus over how small a free-living organism can be, and what the space optimization strategies may be for a cell at the lower size limit for life. Our research is a significant step in characterizing the size, shape, and internal structure of ultra-small cells,” says Luef.

The scientists set out to study bacteria from phyla that lack cultivated representatives. Some of these bacteria have very small genomes, so the scientists surmised the bacteria themselves might also be very small.

To concentrate these cells in a sample, they filtered groundwater collected at Rifle, Colorado through successively smaller filters, down to 0.2 microns, which is the size used to sterilize water. The resulting samples were anything but sterile. They were enriched with incredibly tiny microbes, which were flash frozen to -272 degrees Celsius in a first-of-its-kind portable version of a device called a cryo plunger. This ensured the microbes weren’t damaged in their journey from the field to the lab.

The frozen samples were transported to Berkeley Lab, where Luef, with the help of Luis Comolli of Berkeley Lab’s Life Sciences Division, characterized the cells’ size and internal structure using 2-D and 3-D cryogenic transmission electron microscopy. The images also revealed dividing cells, indicating the bacteria were healthy and not starved to an abnormally small size.

The bacteria’s genomes were sequenced at the Joint Genome Institute, a DOE Office of Science User Facility located in Walnut Creek, California, under the guidance of Susannah Tringe. The genomes were about one million base pairs in length. In addition, metagenomic and other DNA-based analyses of the samples were conducted at UC Berkeley, which found a diverse range of bacteria from WWE3, OP11, and OD1 phyla.

This combination of innovative fieldwork and state-of-the-art microscopy and genomic analysis yielded the most complete description of ultra-small bacteria to date.

Among their findings: Some of the bacteria have thread-like appendages, called pili, which could serve as “life support” connections to other microbes. The genomic data indicates the bacteria lack many basic functions, so they likely rely on a community of microbes for critical resources.

The scientists also discovered just how much there is yet to learn about ultra-small life.

“We don’t know the function of half the genes we found in the organisms from these three phyla,” says Banfield.


The scientists also used the Advanced Light Source, a DOE Office of Science User Facility located at Berkeley Lab, where Hoi-Ying Holman of the Earth Sciences Division helped determine the majority of the cells in the samples were bacteria, not Archaea.

The research is a significant contribution to what’s known about ultra-small organisms. Recently, scientists estimated the cell volume of a marine bacterium at 0.013 cubic microns, but they used a technique that didn’t directly measure the cell diameter. There are also prior electron microscopy images of a lineage of Archaea with cell volumes as small as 0.009 cubic microns, similar to these bacteria, including results from some of the same researchers. Together, the findings highlight the existence of small cells with unusual and fairly restricted metabolic capacities from two of the three major branches of the tree of life.

The research was supported by the Department of Energy’s Office of Science.

And, a interesting comment from this page where the same news article is reproduced. This should be taken with a huge grain of salt, since it's written by a CEO at a company called NanoBiotech Pharma, and there's a sales pitch at the end. But it could be worth investigating if some of the stuff he says is true.

_http://www.kurzweilai.net/irst-detailed-microscopy-evidence-of-nanobacteria-at-the-lower-size-limit-of-life
KURZWEIL NEWS – NATURE Journal: Our Nanobacteria Research has now been independently cross-validated and extended by the US Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory and by Banfield & Luef at UC Berkeley & Norwegian University of Science & Technology. My scientists discovered Nanobacteria nearly thirty years ago and we have been conducting scientific and clinical research on them for that long. Nanobacteria are not like anything else on Earth…..Unique in Nano-Size, Structure, Function, Super-Slow Reproduction, Pleomorphic Forms, Biofilm…..and so much more. They have a cell membrane that is helical…..nothing else on this earth has a helical cell membrane. The new techniques developed by Banfield & Luef have allowed them to image the substructures of these amazing Nanobacteria and also to sequence the RNA and DNA of them. They are indeed a new form of LIFE. Not like standard bacteria that meet all of the microbiological definitions of “LIFE” but nonetheless…are finally proven to be a NEW form of LIFE requiring a rewrite of the microbiological standards of “LIFE”. It matters not if the current scientists understand it yet or if they do not…..they are undeniable. They are also not Prions (not living) or Viruses (not living). Our research, beginning with their first Discovery and description by Kajander and continuing Globally even today has spanned over the last 3 decades. We have shown that Nanobacteria are an infectious agent in humans and are causative or involved as bystanders in a plethora of human chronic diseases involving pathological calcification, inflammation and amyloid plaque deposition, ie: Atherosclerosis, Vascular Dementia, Coronary Artery Disease and more. We have developed the worlds first and only nanobiotic compounds effective against these Nanobacteria in Vitro & In Vivo. We thank the Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory and Drs Banfield & Luef at UC Berkeley & Norwegian University of Science & Technology for extending our discoveries with their new techniques and to NATURE Scientific Journal for publishing their paper. We at NanoBiotech Pharma applaud this powerful research and thank all involved. – Gary S. Mezo, CEO – NanoBiotech Pharma
 
Aragorn said:
I hope I'm not opening a new can of worms here (pun intended!), but there is also this about so called nanobacteria:

_http://newscenter.lbl.gov/2015/02/27/ultra-small-bacteria/
First Detailed Microscopy Evidence of Bacteria at the Lower Size Limit of Life
Berkeley Lab research provides comprehensive description of ultra-small bacteria
News Release Dan Krotz 510-486-4019 • FEBRUARY 27, 2015

[...]Among their findings: Some of the bacteria have thread-like appendages, called pili, which could serve as “life support” connections to other microbes. The genomic data indicates the bacteria lack many basic functions, so they likely rely on a community of microbes for critical resources.

The scientists also discovered just how much there is yet to learn about ultra-small life.

“We don’t know the function of half the genes we found in the organisms from these three phyla,” says Banfield.

[...]

I'm sure there will be many cans of worms the more that is understood, and the "ultra-small life" creates a natural barrier for understanding in itself. So how "ultra-small" can influence go? It is pretty daunting to imagine what can't be seen that affects physicality, and am reminded of how homeopathic treatments work, too.

Going back to natural herbal type remedies, here is a discussion on Chinese formulas (like Coptis/Evodia Tablets) in this paper 'INTESTINAL PARASITES AND PATHOGENS' by Subhuti Dharmananda, Ph.D., Director, Institute for Traditional Medicine, Portland, Oregon, he is mentioned in this thread http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,26926.msg326205.html#msg326205 and the paper is here http://www.itmonline.org/arts/parapath.htm

snip said:
...The formula Picrorrhiza 11 was developed to address candida and other parasites in individuals who are diagnosed as having a “yin deficiency syndrome.” This is a common problem among some individuals with chronic parasitic disorders, since yin deficiency can arise from chronic malabsorption of nutrients and can lead to immune disorders that may allow some parasites to thrive. The herb picrorrhiza is used in China as a substitute for coptis and is deemed to be more tonifying in nature. It was traditionally used in the treatment of “bone-steaming” fever and dysentery, and for a wide range of parasites, including worms. Other herbs for inhibiting intestinal infections in this formula, already mentioned in relation to the previous formulas, include pulsatilla, phellodendron, plantago leaf, pomegranate, and terminalia. It also contains stellaria and ilex leaf for treatment of yin deficiency, fraxinus to relieve intestinal inflammation, and lonicera and saussurea as broad-spectrum anti-infection agents. Picrorrhiza 11 has been used in many AIDS patients, and it appears to be helpful, especially when combined with the digestive tonic formula Ginseng 18.

Finally, Coptis/Evodia Tablets are made-up primarily of herbs containing berberine and related alkaloids, which give them their bright yellow color. These alkaloids have been shown to inhibit a wide range of bacteria (they are traditionally used to treat bacillary dysentery) as well as the common yeast candida. The two herbs coptis and evodia are traditionally given for treatment of abdominal pain (especially just below the ribs), acid regurgitation, and syndromes that produce a yellow tongue coating. These formulations can be mixed in various ways to attempt a more intensive or broader-based therapy. None of the formulas are known to have adverse effects, even with prolonged use, though idiosyncratic reactions can occur, especially in those who have a severely distressed gastro-intestinal and/or immune system. Coptis/Evodia Tablets should be avoided during pregnancy.
 
I'm doing my once-a-month two day cycle of metronidazole. Had very little reaction to it except by the end of the day yesterday, I was extra tired. This morning I had pains in my hands... specific joints. So, I guess something is going on there.

I'm thinking of adding the herbal things as an adjunct, like oregano oil and grapefruit seed extract or the previously mentiond Coptis/Evodia formula. I only have about two months to go and in the last month, I'll be doing several things to get the system organized to defend itself and retool the immune system.
 
I'm on my first cycle of metronidazole which includes one week of allopurinol. I'm taking cortisone as well, but it didn't completely masked the pain in the metacarpal joints of hands and feet. By the end of the day I was VERY tired. I also threw up in the middle of the night. Felt much better after that. I'm doing inhalations of cortisone for my bronchitis, which is starting to recede. I don't have wheezing on my chest anymore.

My dose of metronidazole adjusted for 56 kg of weight: 2 capsules after breakfast and lunch, one capsule after dinner.
 
I read this article on SOTT this morning. I think it's relevant to post a link here:

http://www.sott.net/article/300035-Traitors-in-our-midst-Bacteria-use-toxins-to-turn-our-own-bodies-against-us
 
SeekinTruth said:
I read this article on SOTT this morning. I think it's relevant to post a link here:

http://www.sott.net/article/300035-Traitors-in-our-midst-Bacteria-use-toxins-to-turn-our-own-bodies-against-us
Very relevant, SeekingTruth.
I was reminded of when a biochemist friend a few years ago told me about their findings on how a (relatively small) enzyme was constructed by our cells, at the molecular level. Initially there appear a number of molecules which are precisely assembled to build a scaffolding structure; within this scaffolding, separately built sub-assemblies are mounted one after the other, yelding the final enzyme molecule. Once done, the scaffolding is discarded or possibly re-used. If I remember well, some sub-assemblies require their own purpose-built scaffoldings.

In analogy to one of our factories: sub-contractors, sub-assemblies, jigs, transports, using kanban and just-in-time methods, cooperatives (ie multiple cooperating cells) with the goal of delivering the enzyme in a determined quantity to the point of use, somewhere down the blood vessel highways.
But, with one crucial difference: no workers, no foremen, no HR, no Chief Financial Officers to stand in the way ;D

And note that there are millions and millions of such cooperatives active at any instant, day and nightshifts, in our body. Compared to this, our much celebrated "rocket science" looks like Dumb and Dumber taking a pee in the garden.
His tale was much more detailed and longer, fascinating, mind-boggling really, and this provoked a lot of thinking and speculating, plus several insights on my part. (IMO unfit for this thread)-
-A
 
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