AUTOIMMUNE DISEASES CAUSED BY AN INFECTION?

[zak]

Thanx a lot Gaby.

 

[griffin]

Some of the highlights, specially concerning recommended doses from the other thread:

http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,13371.msg611443.html#msg611443

"(...)Sulfa containing medications, such as diuretics, anti-diabetic drugs and even sulfa antibiotics all bind iodine. Tetracycline antibiotics likewise.(...)"

I'd suggest that people interested in taking potassium iodide for any reason who are also following the autoimmune diseases cleansing protocol discussed in this thread that includes doxycycline (or other tetracycline derivative antibiotics) should take the potential for such interference into account.

 

[Gaby]

There is a chart with doses for each disease or condition here:

_http://healyourselfathome.com/HOW/NEWSTARTS/1_NUTRITION/MINERALS/IODINE/HOW_TO_SUPPLEMENT/lugols_dosage_chart.aspx

Iodine – “The Universal Medicine” 5% Lugol’s / SSKI Solution Dosage Chart

Notice that it is based on 5% lugol's. It seems that each drop contains around 50mg of iodide, what most papers quote as the reference.

I noticed that they sell 15% lugol, maximum concentration, but it is mostly for transdermal use and to disinfect water.

Careful with doses and dilutions!

 

[Michal]

Hi,

Has anyone of You checked measuring spoons for metronidazole and hydorxycholorquine. What is the wieght of flat "smidgen" for example of those two. Doxy was already checked and flat "smidgen" was 100mg.

Greetings.

 

[Foxx]

Notice that it is based on 5% lugol's. It seems that each drop contains around 50mg of iodide, what most papers quote as the reference.

5% Lugol's doesn't have 50mg of iodide per drop--each ml (about 20 drops) of Lugol's 5% contains 50mg of iodide. Each drop (I think specifically each vertical drop, as a horizontal drop will be a different size) contains 3.75mg of iodide and 2.5mg of iodine. From the link:

2 drops 5% Lugol’s Solution - contains 5mg iodine and 7.5mg iodide
(5% Lugol’s solution contains 50 mg iodine and 75 mg iodide / ml; above calulation based on 20 drops/ml)

The link does mention a SSKI (Super Saturated Potassium Iodide) solution that contains about 50mg of iodide per drop, but that's way more than 5% Lugol's.

The link also specifies a couple other interesting things:

Don’t take iodine at the same time as Vitamin C - which will negate disinfectant effect of iodine; Take vitamin C at least 2 hours before or after taking Lugol’ solution.

Antidotes for iodine overdose
Chocolate or cocoa - high in bromine which displaces iodine;
Vitamin C – take ¼ tsp. (~2.5g) in juice or water

So perhaps those who've eaten a lot of chocolate have an increased need for iodine?

 

[Altair]

Don’t take iodine at the same time as Vitamin C - which will negate disinfectant effect of iodine; Take vitamin C at least 2 hours before or after taking Lugol’ solution.

Antidotes for iodine overdose
Chocolate or cocoa - high in bromine which displaces iodine;
Vitamin C – take ¼ tsp. (~2.5g) in juice or water

So perhaps those who've eaten a lot of chocolate have an increased need for iodine?

No only that. It looks like cocoa contains high amounts of phytic acid: _http://www.thenourishinggourmet.com/2010/09/phytic-acid-in-nuts-seeds-cocoa-and-coconut.html

 

[Altair]

Some interesting excerpts from Iodine - Bringing Back the Universal Medicine by Mark Sircus

Every cell in the body requires and utilizes iodine. Iodine is concentrated in the glandular tissue such as the thyroid, breasts, ovaries, uterus, and prostate. Iodine is needed to maintain normal architecture of the glandular tissue as well as to prevent abnormal cell growth. Iodine deficiency leads to the formation of cysts, nodules, hyperplasia, and eventually cancer of the glandular (as well as other) tissue.

How to Self-Test for an Iodine Deficiency

1. Dip a cotton ball into USP Tincture of Iodine. (You can get iodine at the drugstore for a dollar or two at most. 2. Paint a 2-inch circle of iodine on your soft skin, like the inner part of your thigh or upper arm. 3. Wait. If the yellowish stain disappears in less than an hour, it means your body is severely lacking crucial iodine and has soaked it up. If the stain remains and is still there the next morning you iodine levels are probably fine. In-between shows various levels of iodine sufficiency. Low iodine levels can zap your energy and make you feel tired, edgy and worn out. Low iodine levels can even prevent you from getting a good night’s sleep.

Iodine flushes bromine and fluoride from the body, but this flushing or detoxing can be very intense or even serious if one has a lot of bromine, fluorine or metals, or is ill.

Iodine is an excellent microbicide with a broad range of action that includes almost all of the important health-related microorganisms, such as enteric bacteria, enteric viruses, bacterial viruses, fungi and protozoan cysts.The minimum number of iodine molecules required to destroy one bacterium varies with the species. For H. influenzae it was calculated to be 15,000 molecules of iodine per cell. When bacteria are treated with iodine, the inorganic phosphate uptake and oxygen consumption by the cells immediately ceases.

Iodine is able to penetrate quickly through the cell walls of microorganisms.

Though iodine kills 90 percent of bacteria on the skin within 90 seconds, its use as an antibiotic has been ignored. Iodine exhibits activity against bacteria, molds, yeasts, protozoa, and many viruses; indeed, of all antiseptic preparations suitable for direct use on humans and animals and upon tissues, only iodine is capable of killing all classes of pathogens: gram-positive and gram-negative bacteria, mycobacteria, fungi, yeasts, viruses and protozoa. Most bacteria are killed within 15 to 30 seconds of contact.

Dr. Derry says that iodine is effective “for standard pathogens such as Staphylococcus, but it also has the broadest range of action, fewest side effects and no development of bacterial resistance.” There is a world of difference between using an antibiotic—anti-life substance—and an antibiotic, antiviral and antifungal substance like iodine, which is life-serving because it is a basic and most necessary nutritional substance.

Iodine kills single-celled organisms by combining with the amino acids tyrosine or histidine when they are exposed to the extra-cellular environment. All single cells showing tyrosine on their outer cell membranes are killed instantly by a simple chemical reaction with iodine that denatures proteins. Nature and evolution have given us an important mechanism to control pathogenic life forms and we should use it and trust it to protect us in ways that antibiotics can’t.

“I am still experimenting with the iodine with lots of good results. Overall it seems to work very well for osteo-arthritis, rheumatoid-arthritis and even gout. I also use it for septicemia and I find it very effective to put the undiluted drops on warts. It also worked very well on kidney failure. Yesterday I gave it to someone with full-blown HIV on anti-retroviral treatment that failed, so I am waiting to see the response. It will take a few years and lots of patients to really come to a conclusion. So far I had no side effects or allergic response but, I am very positive that you can treat many illnesses with great success with this very inexpensive medicine.” Dr. J. D. Naudè Cape Province, South Africa

Dr. David Brownstein, who uses iodine extensively in his practice, says, “Iodine has a wonderful antibiotic solution without question and most importantly, I never see any of my patients complain of dysbiotic reactions from its use.”

Many ask the question that if iodine is so efficient at killing viruses, yeast, fungi, molds and bacteria of different types, why it does not kill off the friendly bacteria as well? Dr. Brownstein, one of the most experienced physicians on all things iodine, reports from a clinical perspective that in fact iodine leaves human cells in better health and healthy gut flora intact. Though perhaps we might not yet understand the exact science for this clinical observation it is logical that because of our body’s real need for iodine our biological friends that inhabit our GI track would have evolved in iodine’s presence and thus be immune to the ruin iodine brings to most single-cell life forms.

Iodide is accumulated during phagocytosis, the process of engulfing and ingesting bacteria and other foreign bodies. The iodide is attached to the bacteria and to proteins, creating iodoproteins including monoiodotyrosine (T1). Sometimes, the thyroid hormones are utilized as the source of the iodide. Iodine supplementation is a molecular strategy that strengthens the immune response increasing the power and flexibility of the immune system against infection.

Iodine also chelates out some mercury and the full list of halogens that are poisoning just about everyone.

Iodine naturally is a solution, as is sodium bicarbonate, for breaking up biofilms. One of the reasons high internal concentrations of iodine are called for in the treatment of cancer is the need to break up the biofilms associated with tumors.

 

[shijing]

Just wanted to mention that there's a relatively recent book out on the connection between infection and mental illness:

Infectious Madness: The Surprising Science of How We "Catch" Mental Illness

Is it possible to catch autism or OCD the same way we catch the flu? Can a child's contact with cat litter lead to schizophrenia? In her eye-opening new book, National Book Critics Circle Award-winning author Harriet Washington reveals that we can in fact "catch" mental illness. In INFECTIOUS MADNESS, Washington presents the new germ theory, which posits not only that many instances of Alzheimer's, OCD, and schizophrenia are caused by viruses, prions, and bacteria, but also that with antibiotics, vaccinations, and other strategies, these cases can be easily prevented or treated. Packed with cutting-edge research and tantalizing mysteries, INFECTIOUS MADNESS is rich in science, characters, and practical advice on how to protect yourself and your children from exposure to infectious threats that could sabotage your mental and physical health.

 

[Laura]

In determining who Dr. Allen was, a google search turned up:

THRiiiVE Summit #11 featuring: Dietrich Klinghardt, Kerri Rivera (CD), Dr Allan Frankel (CBD Dosing) & Dana Gorman - "Chlorine dioxide and Cannabis were some of the main topics of this event."

I guess it's possible that a known quack could be put on the same bill w/ Dietrich Klinghardt ...

I frankly do not know why a whole room full of people would stand up & cheer (& w/ their children also present) a person who is purposely attempting to harm or kill their children. Are all these people deluded & is the claim that a minimum of 181 people have lost the autism diagnosis in the past 4.5 years with CD/Parasite protocol a bogus one? Are the patents bogus too?

I've been poking around about the iodine thing and I notice that chlorine is used to kill microbes in a lot of situations even including when you go to the dentist and get it injected into a tooth before a filling. So I would suggest that in some cases where a microbe is the cause of a condition (a lot of cases?) that chlorine can have a positive effect.

However, that comes at a cost: as we've been learning in the iodine thread, chlorine, bromine and fluoride all displace iodine and iodine is absolutely essential for a host of physiological activities. That is to say, chlorine is probably as bad for your body over time as fluoride.

As to whether a "quack" can appear at a meeting along with a non-quack, it happens all the time.

See also: http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2009/08/04/dr-klinghardts-treatment-of-lyme-disease.aspx

He mentions the crucial importance of iodine, and how it is the most critical element for Lyme patients, but nowhere does he mention chlorine hydroxide or "MMS" as beneficial. Looking at the list of things he has tried/done, the absence of MMS is conspicuous.

 

[Carl]

Before I go any further with the iodine and KI, I'm thinking of combining it with some other methods to make a kind of 'alternative' more herbal protocol with the supplements I have around. I've arranged them into a logical order but what do people think of this? Some may not be necessary and some may be too much. Also, I am not sure exactly how long it would need to be done - would the effects be cumulative or is there a minimum time duration to avoid doing harm (as with antibiotics)?

Early AM: Biofilm breakers: NAC (1g), EDTA (500mg), enzymes, lactoferrin (300mg).

Late AM: Nystatin (1Mu), Lugol's 10 drops, Potassium Iodide powder (50-100mg?), Berberine, Black Walnut/Clove/Wormwood tincture (2ml / 2g), Boron.

Afternoon: Vitamin C, Alpha Lipoic Acid, lots of salt water.

Evening: Salt water, Zinc/Magnesium/Potassium, Probiotics, unmodified Potato Starch, Arginine, Glycine.

Any thoughts on this kind of approach?

 

[Gaby]

Before I go any further with the iodine and KI, I'm thinking of combining it with some other methods to make a kind of 'alternative' more herbal protocol with the supplements I have around. I've arranged them into a logical order but what do people think of this? Some may not be necessary and some may be too much. Also, I am not sure exactly how long it would need to be done - would the effects be cumulative or is there a minimum time duration to avoid doing harm (as with antibiotics)?

Early AM: Biofilm breakers: NAC (1g), EDTA (500mg), enzymes, lactoferrin (300mg).

Late AM: Nystatin (1Mu), Lugol's 10 drops, Potassium Iodide powder (50-100mg?), Berberine, Black Walnut/Clove/Wormwood tincture (2ml / 2g), Boron.

Afternoon: Vitamin C, Alpha Lipoic Acid, lots of salt water.

Evening: Salt water, Zinc/Magnesium/Potassium, Probiotics, unmodified Potato Starch, Arginine, Glycine.

Any thoughts on this kind of approach?

I would leave the nystatin and probiotics for when and if you use antibiotics. Unless you have a specific reason to try them now, i.e. significant leaky gut issues, carb craving, did an antibiotic or steroid therapy recently, etc.

I would also give iodine first a try instead of EDTA. On the other hand, if you already have all those supplements, then why not. But I think adding EDTA is a little bit too much along the iodine. If you don't have iron overload, your ferritin and mineral levels could drop significantly.

I would group the boron with the minerals.

My 2 cents!

 

[Carl]

I would leave the nystatin and probiotics for when and if you use antibiotics. Unless you have a specific reason to try them now, i.e. significant leaky gut issues, carb craving, did an antibiotic or steroid therapy recently, etc.

I would also give iodine first a try instead of EDTA. On the other hand, if you already have all those supplements, then why not. But I think adding EDTA is a little bit too much along the iodine. If you don't have iron overload, your ferritin and mineral levels could drop significantly.

I would group the boron with the minerals.

My 2 cents!

Thanks for the advice Gaby.

Regarding Nystatin, it is difficult to say whether I have leaky gut issues for certain, but I do have some food intolerances including pretty severe intolerances to tea, coffee and chocolate, in the form of itchiness and skin rashes. The rashes are still there when I cut out these 3, though.
Other symptoms could be attributed to a more systemic infection: Not much stamina, struggle to focus, stiff neck, general fatigue. All these go away with a decent dose of caffeine, but if I do that it leaves me feeling strung out and even more tired after a few hours. So there is something, and if the nystatin/probiotics help fix some of the gut issues then I'd rather do that as soon as possible.

On the EDTA I think you're right. It is a small dose compared to a systemic chelation dose, but it may interfere with the iodine and make recovery harder. I'll hold on that one for nw.

 

[Laura]

Based on everything I have read thus far, I think I would try the iodine protocol pretty much alone first. You need to be able to assess the effectiveness of one thing before you add another.

According to what I've read, iodine is perfectly adequate to break up biofilms and it kills the bad bacteria while leaving the good bacteria that have co-evolved with us alone. It also kills viruses which is something that none of the antibiotics does. It also kills fungi. I think I would be leaving it room to work because we don't know whether, or how, some of the other substances mentioned might counter the iodine.

Right now, what I am doing is: I get up in the morning and make my butter tea with MCT oil and sweetened with glycine. I take two NAC which work with the glycine:
Then, I take:
1 130 mg potassium iodide
10 drops lugol's in water
Wait a little bit while finishing the tea.
Then I eat my bacon.
Then, using a full glass of water I take:
Stress B complex
Selenium
Trace minerals
Extra boron
50 mg zinc.

An hour later, I take some salted water. I figure that by that time, the iodine is in the system and needs the help detoxing the bromines.

Mid-day, another cup of tea sweetened with glycine, no butter.

Mid-afternoon, 3 grams of vitamin C.

Late afternoon, another cup of tea with glycine and maybe some MCT oil (if I'm feeling peckish).

Early evening: dinner.

Before bed: a product that is magnesium glycinate, vitamin B6.

I'll continue with the 130mg/10drops lugol's for a month or so and then see if I feel that the dose can be gradually dropped and find the normal level for me.

Mainly, I would advise you to read ALL THE LITERATURE provided on the iodine protocol and what it can do before deciding anything.

 

[RedFox]

I do have some food intolerances including pretty severe intolerances to tea, coffee and chocolate, in the form of itchiness and skin rashes. The rashes are still there when I cut out these 3, though.
Other symptoms could be attributed to a more systemic infection: Not much stamina, struggle to focus, stiff neck, general fatigue. All these go away with a decent dose of caffeine, but if I do that it leaves me feeling strung out and even more tired after a few hours.

Is the tea/coffee from a plastic kettle? That plus the itching/skin rash may mean it's bromines.
fwiw have a read of the pdf attached to the iodine thread on bromide/salt loading.

*edit to add*
Are you drinking only distilled water? Water in contact with plastic will have bromines, and tap water will have chlorine (both halogens).

 

[Carl]

Based on everything I have read thus far, I think I would try the iodine protocol pretty much alone first. You need to be able to assess the effectiveness of one thing before you add another.

According to what I've read, iodine is perfectly adequate to break up biofilms and it kills the bad bacteria while leaving the good bacteria that have co-evolved with us alone. It also kills viruses which is something that none of the antibiotics does. It also kills fungi. I think I would be leaving it room to work because we don't know whether, or how, some of the other substances mentioned might counter the iodine.

...

Mainly, I would advise you to read ALL THE LITERATURE provided on the iodine protocol and what it can do before deciding anything.

Yeah that is true, adding in the other stuff would probably complicate things a lot, and we don't know what the effects of such a combination could be.

Thanks for the information. I know I tend to be gung-ho with all kinds of things and I need to continue reading. I missed some of the co-factors for example. Your current schedule is a good guide, so I guess I will end up with something pretty much that same after catching up fully.

Is the tea/coffee from a plastic kettle? That plus the itching/skin rash may mean it's bromines.
fwiw have a read of the pdf attached to the iodine thread on bromide/salt loading.

*edit to add*
Are you drinking only distilled water? Water in contact with plastic will have bromines, and tap water will have chlorine (both halogens).

From berkey filter/stainless steel kettle at home, and in work there is a hot water machine and also a UV filter cold water machine.
It could be bromines, or histamine or tannins, god knows. But I would really love to be able to drink tea without reactions (and wouldn't have to resort to stronger stuff like Mate for the energy).

Do you mean this PDF?
http://jeffreydachmd.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/The-Guide-to-Supplementing-with-Iodine-Stephanie-Burst-ND.pdf