AUTOIMMUNE DISEASES CAUSED BY AN INFECTION?

[rymw]

Over here, Lugols had been long removed from the shelves. Drugs are very strictly controlled and only the yellow stuff for treating wounds is available. Fortunately, we managed to locate a store that sold iodine crystals (hush)!!. Anyone can advice how to ensure safe consumption? We did read that a mild solution can be prepared and to paint the iodine on our soles before bedtime so that the body will absorb what it needs. Any thoughts on that? Thanks.

 

[Gaby]

Over here, Lugols had been long removed from the shelves. Drugs are very strictly controlled and only the yellow stuff for treating wounds is available. Fortunately, we managed to locate a store that sold iodine crystals (hush)!!. Anyone can advice how to ensure safe consumption? We did read that a mild solution can be prepared and to paint the iodine on our soles before bedtime so that the body will absorb what it needs. Any thoughts on that? Thanks.

See http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,13371.msg612166.html#msg612166

In the last chapter of that book, there are recipes on how to make your own lugol and SSKI solutions if you can get the raw materials. Another option is to buy lugol through ebay. Ideally you have to know the concentration and the benefits of taking it orally. That book should help clarify.

This document is also very helpful:

_http://jeffreydachmd.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/The-Guide-to-Supplementing-with-Iodine-Stephanie-Burst-ND.pdf

 

[Gaby]

I received my lugol and since the 8th cycle of metro didn't seem to trigger anything significant (just some mild fatigue), I was considering iodine supplementation.

I finish the protocol (doxy + biofilm destroyers, supplements, etc.) on February and I seem to have stabilized in terms of Herx reactions.

I feel much better health-wise, lost inflammatory weight and yesterday someone who have not seen me since before starting the protocol reported that I looked much better.

Due to my weight, I have been taken all my doxy dose once a day. So I was planning to do lugol in AM, doxy in early PM and minerals and other stuff a couple of hours or so away from that.

Here is some data on lugol and potential drug interactions:

_http://www.webmd.com/vitamins-supplements/ingredientmono-35-lugol's%20solution%20%28iodine%29.aspx?activeingredientid=35&activeingredientname=lugol%27s%20solution%20%28iodine%29

_https://www.sharecare.com/health/minerals-nutrition-diet/what-medications-interact-iodine-supplements

[...] Children with intestinal parasitic infestations treated with metronidazole have experienced reduced efficacy of oral supplementation with iodized ethyl esters by interfering with its absorption.

Iodine could still be taken, only that its absorption will be reduced. Supplementing iodine on the protocol might actually be important if antibiotics can reduce iodine bio-availability.

It seems that doing iodine before standard treatment for Lyme's disease also palliates Herx reactions to antibiotics. At least one person that I know has reported information that supports this. This person did iodine therapy on the Summer and is only starting the protocol right now. Despite having practically every Lyme's disease symptom (including positive lab tests), there were no significant Herx reactions to doxy.

According to some researchers, Iodine can kill borrelia, but it does not kill encysted forms. So taking metro and/or other things effective for encysted forms might be still necessary. I'll do more research on this line, but it seems that lugol can be part of an eradication protocol for a severe stealth infection, i.e. autoimmune disease, Lyme's disease, etc.

More info at:

Lyme disease: A Look Beyond Antibiotics by Dietrich K.Klinghardt, MD, PhD
_http://www.klinghardtacademy.com/images/stories/Lyme_Disease/Lyme_protocol_Jan06.pdf

_http://www.lyme-symptoms.com/LymeDiseaseInfo/Eradication.html

Iodine Lugol's (2%) or Triple Iodine Complex: Example 7 drops daily indefinitely to kill Bb as it does not kill encysted form.

I'm reading "The Iodine Crisis" by Lynne Farrow, the founder of _http://breastcancerchoices.org/ For those who are weary of Herx reactions, she suggests starting with a 12.5mg iodine dose and building up from there in order to reduce and/or work out bromide detox reactions progressively. People can also start with a 50mg dose though.

She reports how people's brain fog dissipates dramatically when they start taking iodine. I took some lugol and must say that there is certainly something to that.

I'll experiment with lugol for my last stage of the protocol, I have really nothing to lose. Will repeat a few cycles of metro and/or do anti-cell wall drugs at some point. Will report if there is anything relevant or if I find something regarding doxy + iodine interactions.

 

[rymw]

Over here, Lugols had been long removed from the shelves. Drugs are very strictly controlled and only the yellow stuff for treating wounds is available. Fortunately, we managed to locate a store that sold iodine crystals (hush)!!. Anyone can advice how to ensure safe consumption? We did read that a mild solution can be prepared and to paint the iodine on our soles before bedtime so that the body will absorb what it needs. Any thoughts on that? Thanks.

See http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,13371.msg612166.html#msg612166

In the last chapter of that book, there are recipes on how to make your own lugol and SSKI solutions if you can get the raw materials. Another option is to buy lugol through ebay. Ideally you have to know the concentration and the benefits of taking it orally. That book should help clarify.

This document is also very helpful:

_http://jeffreydachmd.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/The-Guide-to-Supplementing-with-Iodine-Stephanie-Burst-ND.pdf

Thank you Gaby, will definitely check it out and try to determine our needs. We were wondering if a lighter solution of Lugols at say 2 or 5% might be more practical for all round purposes? A more saturated solution might required more attention to dilution especially for oral usage?

 

[Gaby]

Thank you Gaby, will definitely check it out and try to determine our needs. We were wondering if a lighter solution of Lugols at say 2 or 5% might be more practical for all round purposes? A more saturated solution might required more attention to dilution especially for oral usage?

In worst case scenario, you'll need more drops with lugol 2 or 5%. For those needing high doses, the highest the better so to speak. Nothing wrong with starting with a low concentration if it is more practical and easier to do.

"The Iodine Crisis" by Lynne Farrow is an excellent resource written in 2013. Great testimonials, updates and lots of practical advice. FWIW.

 

[Laura]

Thank you Gaby, will definitely check it out and try to determine our needs. We were wondering if a lighter solution of Lugols at say 2 or 5% might be more practical for all round purposes? A more saturated solution might required more attention to dilution especially for oral usage?

In worst case scenario, you'll need more drops with lugol 2 or 5%. For those needing high doses, the highest the better so to speak. Nothing wrong with starting with a low concentration if it is more practical and easier to do.

"The Iodine Crisis" by Lynne Farrow is an excellent resource written in 2013. Great testimonials, updates and lots of practical advice. FWIW.

From what I've read, the microbicidal dose of Lugol's is 5 to 10 drops 3 X per day.

Apparently, the "maintenance of health" dose of KI is 50 mg per day or thereabouts. That is to not only provide the body with what it needs in the way of KI, but also to keep up the constant necessity of detoxing Bromides that we accumulate constantly in our environment. So diluting doesn't seem to be very useful. Of course, you put the drops in water to take them, or take the Iodoral tablets, because iodine is pretty harsh on the skin. But diluting the solution is counterproductive in terms of dosing. You just end up having to take more drops!

 

[Hope]

I have been taking 1 or 2 Atlantic kelp pills a day for my daily iodine intake but have ran out of it. I do have a bottle of liquid nascent iodine, supposedly it is better taken up by the body because it has missing electrons. Is this another good option or should one just stick to Lugol or kelp? One drop has about 450mcg of iodine in it.

Another topic that has been on my mind has been sex. In light of this new information I am thinking one should be really careful when choosing to engage in intimate activities with other person? Condoms can only protect to a certain extent. Who knows what kind of infections can get passed on by just kissing another person or through close contact?

Maybe just become a celibate? lol

 

[Carl]

I have been taking 1 or 2 Atlantic kelp pills a day for my daily iodine intake but have ran out of it. I do have a bottle of liquid nascent iodine, supposedly it is better taken up by the body because it has missing electrons. Is this another good option or should one just stick to Lugol or kelp? One drop has about 450mcg of iodine in it.

If you read the whole Iodine thread, all of those questions are answered and more. Make sure to check out the attached PDFs because they are full of useful info.

Another topic that has been on my mind has been sex. In light of this new information I am thinking one should be really careful when choosing to engage in intimate activities with other person? Condoms can only protect to a certain extent. Who knows what kind of infections can get passed on by just kissing another person or through close contact?

Maybe just become a celibate? lol

Well..yeah. No way around that one really.

 

[nicklebleu]

We were wondering if a lighter solution of Lugols at say 2 or 5% might be more practical for all round purposes? A more saturated solution might required more attention to dilution especially for oral usage?

If you want to manufacture your own, then supersaturated KI (SSKI) is the easiest to do - no precise measuring needed. Just dissolve the KI into some distilled water, then stir and wait. Most crystals will dissolve. Then you repeat the process, until the crystals don't dissolve anymore, et voilà! Be sure to leave the undissolved crystals in the bottle, so as to keep the solution in the supersaturated state.

SSKI contain around 50mg per vertical drop, which would be the maintenance dose. If you want to start lower, just put one drop into a container and only drink the part you want - e.g. if you want to start with 25mg, only drink half of the solution, etc.

Hope that helps!

 

[rymw]

Thank you Gaby, will definitely check it out and try to determine our needs. We were wondering if a lighter solution of Lugols at say 2 or 5% might be more practical for all round purposes? A more saturated solution might required more attention to dilution especially for oral usage?

In worst case scenario, you'll need more drops with lugol 2 or 5%. For those needing high doses, the highest the better so to speak. Nothing wrong with starting with a low concentration if it is more practical and easier to do.

"The Iodine Crisis" by Lynne Farrow is an excellent resource written in 2013. Great testimonials, updates and lots of practical advice. FWIW.

From what I've read, the microbicidal dose of Lugol's is 5 to 10 drops 3 X per day.

Apparently, the "maintenance of health" dose of KI is 50 mg per day or thereabouts. That is to not only provide the body with what it needs in the way of KI, but also to keep up the constant necessity of detoxing Bromides that we accumulate constantly in our environment. So diluting doesn't seem to be very useful. Of course, you put the drops in water to take them, or take the Iodoral tablets, because iodine is pretty harsh on the skin. But diluting the solution is counterproductive in terms of dosing. You just end up having to take more drops!

Thank you Laura, that makes perfect sense especially in our case of not being able to go fully keto plus still needing to eat out here and there.

 

[Carl]

After catching up on all the available material over the past few days, I started the iodine protocol yesterday, pretty much the same as what Laura described above.

Yesterday (mid afternoon) I developed the onset symptoms of a cold/flu. It always starts with sore throat/sinuses, then feeling dizzy, head feels like it is stuffed with cotton wool, etc.

Today I woke up feeling the same, continued with protocol, and have been feverish, shivvering, and completely spaced-out all day. Also my neck feels like cement.

Now problem is I don't know if this is just bad timing or if I am getting a major herx reaction! It feels identical to a viral infection, but everybody I have been in prolonged contact with seems to be fine.

If it is a coincidentally timed infection, then it's best to keep having the iodine.
If it is a herx reaction, then it would be best to stop and start again to see if it is repeatable.

I'm following all the steps to prevent herx. reactions, but maybe this is actually doing something as effectively as the antibiotic therapy.

 

[Laura]

Lordy, sounds like a detox/herx reaction to me. Take lots of vitamin C and salted water!!! And don't forget the co-factors, selenium, magnesium, B2 and B3, zinc, boron, trace minerals in general.

 

[Hope]

If you read the whole Iodine thread, all of those questions are answered and more. Make sure to check out the attached PDFs because they are full of useful info.

OK thanks, I will certainly be reading up on the Iodine material. I was looking at doing lugol treatment couple of months ago but got scared after reading some information about it causing people to develop hyperthyroidism and going insane. Probably disinfo or they went way overboard/did it wrong. Want to do it not only as a anti microbe treatment but also as thyroid support because I do believe I have thyroid problems.

Also noticed after running out of kelp I have increased brain fog and fatigue so this might be a clue.

For now I will be taking Nystatin for the next three weeks for anti candida treatment because I am still experiencing digestive symptoms, among others. Along with the daily supplements: ALA, NAC, Berberine, B Complex, Vit C, L arginine, trace minerals,salted water, mag, potassium and digestive enzymes. So I am thinking while I do that, I will research up on the iodine treatment and maybe start that afterwards and then maybe go on to the DSMA treatment next.

Hopefully these things will do the trick because I am still seeing only minimal results with the dietary changes to low carb paleo.

 

[Carl]

Lordy, sounds like a detox/herx reaction to me. Take lots of vitamin C and salted water!!! And don't forget the co-factors, selenium, magnesium, B2 and B3, zinc, boron, trace minerals in general.

Well I do hope so! I am taking all of those, plus extra minerals as I am also doing sauna sessions. Strangely I'm reaching bowel tolerance on fairly low doses of VitC (1/3rd of a teaspoon), but the GI issues are probably also part of the detox.

If you read the whole Iodine thread, all of those questions are answered and more. Make sure to check out the attached PDFs because they are full of useful info.

OK thanks, I will certainly be reading up on the Iodine material. I was looking at doing lugol treatment couple of months ago but got scared after reading some information about it causing people to develop hyperthyroidism and going insane. Probably disinfo or they went way overboard/did it wrong. Want to do it not only as a anti microbe treatment but also as thyroid support because I do believe I have thyroid problems.

Also noticed after running out of kelp I have increased brain fog and fatigue so this might be a clue.

For now I will be taking Nystatin for the next three weeks for anti candida treatment because I am still experiencing digestive symptoms, among others. Along with the daily supplements: ALA, NAC, Berberine, B Complex, Vit C, L arginine, trace minerals,salted water, mag, potassium and digestive enzymes. So I am thinking while I do that, I will research up on the iodine treatment and maybe start that afterwards and then maybe go on to the DSMA treatment next.

Hopefully these things will do the trick because I am still seeing only minimal results with the dietary changes to low carb paleo.

Yeah, nystatin is worth a try first if you have it to hand. But so far it looks like iodine may be the king in terms of effectiveness/(cost+complexity) ratio.

Seeing no changes after going paleo or low carb is a good sign that there is 'something' there that needs to be dealt with. I experienced the same thing, even after years on paleo and keto.

 

[Laura]

OK thanks, I will certainly be reading up on the Iodine material. I was looking at doing lugol treatment couple of months ago but got scared after reading some information about it causing people to develop hyperthyroidism and going insane. Probably disinfo or they went way overboard/did it wrong. Want to do it not only as a anti microbe treatment but also as thyroid support because I do believe I have thyroid problems.

Well, there's way more benefits than just that!

Also noticed after running out of kelp I have increased brain fog and fatigue so this might be a clue.

For now I will be taking Nystatin for the next three weeks for anti candida treatment because I am still experiencing digestive symptoms, among others. Along with the daily supplements: ALA, NAC, Berberine, B Complex, Vit C, L arginine, trace minerals,salted water, mag, potassium and digestive enzymes. So I am thinking while I do that, I will research up on the iodine treatment and maybe start that afterwards and then maybe go on to the DSMA treatment next.

Iodine/KI can fix the candida right quick from what I've read. It is also a much better heavy metal detox agent than DMSA.

Hopefully these things will do the trick because I am still seeing only minimal results with the dietary changes to low carb paleo.

I don't think you'll see the changes you want until you begin the iodine protocol.