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#31
Yeah, but that's racist!
That's oversimplifying what I said and what (sensible) people have written on the topic. Though considering the general craziness, I wouldn't be surprised if someone actually made the remark. Anyway, such a statement is neither racist nor problematic. It only become problematic when being good dancers or basketball players or in other words, being physically strong entertainers, is perceived as all that black people can be -- which is often the case. It could be argued that there aren't that many black intellectuals, writers or scientists, hence why the belief is perpetuated. This being said, anyone who's interested would quickly find out that they exist and have always existed. Additionally, besides reinforcing long-enduring stereotypes, it would prove the point that black people are seen as a monolith rather than individuals.
 

Oxajil

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#32
Yeah, but that's racist!
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That's oversimplifying what I said and what (sensible) people have written on the topic. Though considering the general craziness, I wouldn't be surprised if someone actually made the remark. Anyway, such a statement is neither racist nor problematic. It only become problematic when being good dancers or basketball players or in other words, being physically strong entertainers, is perceived as all that black people can be -- which is often the case.
I don't think that's often the case, though! For example: There is this idea that Asian people are very, very smart. Surely, all of 'em are scientists! Is that perceived as all they can be? I'm pretty sure most people know that's not the case.

Would you say you have unconscious ideas or assumptions about people you meet? I'm pretty sure you do. But you're able to realize that they do not have to fit your preconceived idea of them. And just as you can do that, others are capable of doing that too. Unless their certain beliefs are too strong.

Of course, there may be some truth in some of the ideas people have about other groups of people. That's why some jokes by stand up comedians are funny, because most people can relate to their stories of meeting certain people.
 

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#33
If only people would factor in the possibility of reincarnation! They could've been white or black in a past life! That could perhaps change their perspective. But I'd say that yeah, perhaps life is a bit more challenging for blacks and other minorities, and I think the way forward would be to adjust and double the efforts if needed. That doesn't mean however that white people are never in a situation where they have to work double as hard to get where they want. I think any successful person (of any color) has worked hard to get where they are - with psychopaths as an exception! I think that ultimately everyone has their own challenges to overcome.
Someone told me that a mother she knows has to pick up her young black sons at the police station from time to time, as they talk back to Dutch police officers. She gave an example of another young black man who does not talk back and remains calm and as far as I know he has never been in trouble with the authorities.

I thought this video was interesting which was posted on FB by some of the administrators of this forum:


Apparently, the British authorities are hiding the numbers of crimes committed by various ethnic groups. I know that the same is going on in The Netherlands: Nationale Politie zwijgt over aard en omvang criminele asielzoekers -- Sott.net

Trevor Philips who made the video and who was for a decade the chairman of the Commission for Racial Equality and its successor, the Equality and Human Rights Commission said:
  • The inability to discuss racial issues contributed to child grooming scandals in cities such as Rotherham and Rochdale, because authorities ‘turned a blind eye’;
  • Silence on racial issues led to the failure to take action to save Victoria Climbie;
  • A film commissioned to warn young people of the dangers of grooming was suppressed because it featured an Asian perpetrator abusing white girls;
  • He was accused of being ‘fatuous’ by senior New Labour figures when he warned of the dangers of multiculturalism;
  • Multiculturalism has become a ‘racket’ in many parts of the country, with self-styled community leaders battling for funds which prop up their authority and entrench segregation.
Trevor Phillips is a man who dares to tell the truth about race | Daily Mail Online

FWIW.
 
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I don't think that's often the case, though! For example: There is this idea that Asian people are very, very smart. Surely, all of 'em are scientists! Is that perceived as all they can be? I'm pretty sure most people know that's not the case.

Would you say you have unconscious ideas or assumptions about people you meet? I'm pretty sure you do. But you're able to realize that they do not have to fit your preconceived idea of them. And just as you can do that, others are capable of doing that too. Unless their certain beliefs are too strong.

Of course, there may be some truth in some of the ideas people have about other groups of people. That's why some jokes by stand up comedians are funny, because most people can relate to their stories of meeting certain people.

I think most people, regardless of race, aren't as empathetic/ developed as you say. If it were the case we would have a more cohesive society, even with the influence of pathological individuals. At best they may think that you're the exception to the rule rather than an example of the wide spectrum of personalities that exist within a specific group.
 

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#36
" I don't know...I just don't think things are that simple. This feels a bit like me saying "Oh if only white people could stop judging people by their appearance or speech and give them a chance"
From what I contentiously wittiness is that people of all cultures and within there own race judge one another.

Though you are correct that we all machines lubed by the daily influences of and by government and corporate interest as means of control and profit.

Government's interest helps them support the financial gain's with the divide and conquer agenda. While corporate sell the materialization that sponsors the keep up with Jones mentality across all racial boundaries with the dog eat dog mindset.
 
#37
Well,
Someone told me that a mother she knows has to pick up her young black sons at the police station from time to time, as they talk back to Dutch police officers. She gave an example of another young black man who does not talk back and remains calm and as far as I know he has never been in trouble with the authorities.

I thought this video was interesting which was posted on FB by some of the administrators of this forum:


Apparently, the British authorities are hiding the numbers of crimes committed by various ethnic groups. I know that the same is going on in The Netherlands: Nationale Politie zwijgt over aard en omvang criminele asielzoekers -- Sott.net

Trevor Philips who made the video and who was for a decade the chairman of the Commission for Racial Equality and its successor, the Equality and Human Rights Commission said:


Trevor Phillips is a man who dares to tell the truth about race | Daily Mail Online

FWIW.
Well, to be honest, nobody and in particular on this forum has ever said that race especially has it pertain to crime was discussed truthfully. In fact, there are many article on SOTT that discuss this. You could argue things such as this are strengthening people's resentment. But what resentment exactly? Does it prove to them that indeed the fairer the country, the better? From what I see, for most, it only reinforce already existing prejudice or a specific worldview.

I'm just curious but the boys you mentioned, are they brought to police station only because they talk back and not because they are causing any disturbance? Is it common in Netherland?
 
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