Before I leave my country Japan...

[anart]

Considering that they've admitted that the water supply in Tokyo is contaminated, I don't think that there should be any question in your mind that you did the right thing. Radiation is not something to underestimate - ever.

 

[shijing]

Considering that they've admitted that the water supply in Tokyo is contaminated, I don't think that there should be any question in your mind that you did the right thing. Radiation is not something to underestimate - ever.

I think this is true. I've been in Facebook contact with three of my old Japanese friends from college -- they were all living in the Tokyo area, on the Kanto Plain, and I've been trying to get detox info to them as it becomes available. One of them has since relocated to Osaka with his family, and he's been giving me updates -- the other two are still in Tokyo as far as I know, and one of them has stopped posting, so I'm not sure what's going on. It's clear that the situation, even without a full-scale nuclear incident, is getting bad there, so I think that anyone who is able to get out of that area for now is making a very wise decision.

 

[Gimpy]

Considering that they've admitted that the water supply in Tokyo is contaminated, I don't think that there should be any question in your mind that you did the right thing. Radiation is not something to underestimate - ever.

I agree with anart. Radiation has multiple long term negative affects on the body, and you did the right thing in leaving, to preserve your health, without which it becomes harder than it needs to be to help others.

 

[Cosmos]

I talked to the office to ask about my job just now.

They said that if I come back by the end of this month, I can get my job back.
But it is not possible to put me somewhere else to work.

Tokyo is still not stable and I don't feel safe going back to work where I was.
And I don't feel comfortable working with the people that I gave my troubles.

I hope they can still relocate me somewhere else in Japan. I am going to fight for it.

I still need certainty that leaving Tokyo is the right thing to do.

If you were in my situation what would you do?

I would leave the area. what if the situation is much worse than what the government is telling you ?!

another thing you should consider is :

when things get worse in Tokyo (area) there will be probably much more people who want to leave the
area !? so if that happens it could be very difficult to leave the area than ?!

olso a thing you should consider is :

what if the C's are "right" about what could happen in Tokyo (Japan) !?

 

[XRz]

I hope that nuclear power plants around the world, and especially those near fault lines and quake hot zones, are taking notes of what just happened in Japan. Perhaps its wishful thinking but there has to be a few benevolent people who care about lives more than money, although things like the Ford Pinto are troubling reminders of the sick world we live in where a value can actually be placed on a life and its apparently $200,000.

 

[Cosmos]

I hope that nuclear power plants around the world, and especially those near fault lines and quake hot zones, are taking notes of what just happened in Japan. Perhaps its wishful thinking but there has to be a few benevolent people who care about lives more than money, although things like the Ford Pinto are troubling reminders of the sick world we live in where a value can actually be placed on a life and its apparently $200,000.

I hope so, too. but as you said it's wishfull thinking.
to think about how ignorant (or should I say pathological) they are makes me angry
but who knows maybe that's exactly what they want ?!

 

[davey72]

I talked to the office to ask about my job just now.

They said that if I come back by the end of this month, I can get my job back.
But it is not possible to put me somewhere else to work.

Tokyo is still not stable and I don't feel safe going back to work where I was.
And I don't feel comfortable working with the people that I gave my troubles.

I hope they can still relocate me somewhere else in Japan. I am going to fight for it.
Sorry that everything is in your quote. I can't seem to get my phone to post properly, and cannot seem to erase the post altogether
I still need certainty that leaving Tokyo is the right thing to do.

If you were in my situation what would you do?

Maybe you could look for a job while you are here? It may open something up that you had npt thought of. Also, if you are close to Calgary, and need help with anything at all, you only need to ask. I don't have a lot of options at my disposal, but will always do the best o can. Good luck :D :D

Moderator: Fixed quotes

 

[Cosmos]

aya,
some more food for thought

China finds two Japanese tourists entering with high radiation

China found two Japanese travellers arriving with high radiation levels Friday in the latest consequence of contamination from a crippled nuclear plant two weeks after the Asian nation's devastating earthquake and tsunami. China's customs body said the pair had medical treatment for radiation levels "seriously" over the limit, but they did not present a risk to others after flying to Wuxi in the east.
"Quantitative monitoring by the positioning and two passengers seriously exceeded the test results. "

Original link:
_http://www.aqsiq.gov.cn/zjxw/zjxw/zjftpxw/201103/t20110325_180673.htm

Chinese to English translation
March 23, 2011, the State Administration of Quality Supervision Inspection and Quarantine on Entry-owned Wuxi to Wuxi ZH9056 Tokyo, Japan, nuclear radiation monitoring flights, and found two Japanese tourists nuclear radiation radioactive anomaly. Quantitative monitoring by the positioning and two passengers seriously exceeded the test results. Exit Inspection and Quarantine Wuxi immediately reported to the local environmental, health and other sectors. 21:15 that night, the harmonization of the Wuxi municipal government, the two Japanese tourists were sent to the specified Jiangsu Province, nuclear and radiation pollution and medical management unit designated the Second Affiliated Hospital of Suzhou Medical University, for diagnosis and treatment of radiation damage, and Clothes and carrying objects were dealt with accordingly. Experts believe that the two passengers is not radiological hazard to others.

Upon inquiry, the two passengers were living in Nagano Prefecture in Japan and Saitama Prefecture, after the earthquake have not left the county. Among them, Nagano Prefecture 350 kilometers from the Fukushima Prefecture, Fukushima Prefecture, Saitama Prefecture 200 kilometers away.

Upon inquiry, the two passengers were living in Nagano Prefecture in Japan and Saitama Prefecture, after the earthquake have not left the county. Among them, Nagano Prefecture 350 kilometers from the Fukushima Prefecture, Fukushima Prefecture, Saitama Prefecture 200 kilometers away.

so they lived 350 kilometers and 200 kilometers away from the atomic plant and got quote: "radiation levels "seriously" over the limit" ?
remember the Tokyo area is 250 kilometers away from the plant !

again this makes me consider that the government lies.

but maybe this Japanese people were actually closer to the atomic plant because they visited somebody near the plant or something like that ?

And, from what I could gather looking at some maps, with a fairly mountainous region in between. Meaning, the radiation wouldn't be carried easily(by winds and weather) from spot to spot, IMO.

 

[Aya]

My original plan was to go back to Tokyo in the next week.
Now after considering about radiation in the air, food, water, and in the ocean. Going back there sounds so crazy! if I see myself from outside.

I found out about my situation about my work. Since I gave them notice to leave the store for short while, they told me that I can still keep my job if I come back within 3 months.
On top of that, if I get a doctors note, I can still get my salrary for 3months that I miss without a problem.

However, the probelem is that there is no garantee that I can relocate my job. After all these troubles (troubles for them in a sence), I am not willing to go back and work at the same place. More than that, I know that I probably should leave Tokyo considering for long term effects on health. ( I have feeling that eventually I have to leave Japan. There are more than 50 nuclear powers inside the country. If something happens again, it is not good at all.) I am still hoping to be able to relocate as soon as possible. I am working for one of the biggest travel group company in Japan which there are branches everwhere in the world. I still don't undertstand why they cannot give me a job in another place since I have a good enough reason for changing a location..I think so.
I talked to the social union. They told me that they cannot promise me to give a job in a different area. But that doesn't mean that they cannot do it at all. Either way, if I luckly be able to relocate, I have to resign my job and start again. It seems like I have to go to the office and talk to them in person. Otherwise they cannot help me through on a phone in distance.

My parents are very upset ( they are probably freaking out!) about what I am doing. Their advice is that I should come back immediately.. so that I can have chance to work there again without much problems. They think that once I send them a doctors note, it's going to stick around with me as a record for whole life, so I am going to lose chances in the coming future. I am very upset that they have no understanding in my situation. ( I am adult now that they shouldn't put a word in my situation. ) They are telling me that I am listening to an English side of story and not Japanese side of story..(which is not true.) They are also telling me that my company now wants me to quite the job because a selfish and self-centered person like me keep making troubles so they wouldn't like it. (This is very true. Especially it seems like they are not happy with dealing with irregular personal problems.)
Like they said, if I quite my job, it is true that it is going to be lot harder to get another one as a full time worker. I know they are right about it. But they cannot keep telling me like I don't know what I am doing at all.

My mother is now starting to blame on me that I have no idea because most of my friends don't have proper jobs.(which she does't really know anyway) Also, she is stating to tell me about my mistakes in the past, which she wants to say that the same thing is going to happen! (Well, at least I have better idea what I am doing now than the past.) Afterall, I am very sad that she started to blame on me what I have been doing...detox and being strict about diet. "You were not used to be like that! Why you are so being strict about diet and worried about toxins etc etc..." She was being covert aggressive all the way through the talk on a phone.

I know my parents love me so that they say such things...but they have no understanding.
I feel like it's getting harder and harder to stay in Canada each day.

Now not only my parents want me to come back, but also it feels like the Japanese news is telling me the same thing...

I watched the News from NHK(NIPPON-Hoso-Kyokai:Japan Broadcasting Corporation) earlier yesterday. They do not talk much about Nuclear Power/radiation. Mostly they show some volunteers who are trying to save people who are affected by the earthquake and people who are starting to rebuilt the country.
Everytime I watch it, I feel like the news telling me..."Now is the time to coopertate together in order to rebuild the country. There is a hope and bright future ahead!" I feel so pitiful(which I shouldn't be, I know!) to stay away from the country to be safe, while everyone else is facing dangers and doing something heroic.(I know most people are not really doing anything. Staying inside the country and doing the same thing is much easier!)

Also. now NHK is encouraging mothers to let infants to drink tap water because there is no immediate danger. Probably too many people are now buying bottles of water so that goverment is telling such thing to reduce panic amoung the public. I think they are probably lying (or are not telling the whole story for sure!). I cannot stand what I read from the Sings and some English articles, and what I read in Japanese are so different. There are so many contradictions...it blows my mind.

Meanwhile, my friends are now stating to plan for Hanami(picnic under cherry blossom trees) party. To me it is outragious after all this happened (happening on going.)

So... I am in a very difficult situation right now.
I have no problem going back for shortwhile but I cannot imagine going back there and work for a long period of time.
If everything is over...I can do it for short while. But Nuclear Plants is not under control yet, and the fight has been ongoing. It will probably continue for while.

when things get worse in Tokyo (area) there will be probably much more people who want to leave the
area !? so if that happens it could be very difficult to leave the area than ?!

This is very true. But a lot of people are ignorant so I wonder if this is going to happen unless the goverment start telling the truth to the public.

olso a thing you should consider is :

what if the C's are "right" about what could happen in Tokyo (Japan) !?

I have been thinking about this too. Considering this, living Tokyo is not a good idea.

For me, now timing is everything. It is very hard that once I go back to Tokyo, the chances of getting out from there again is not high.
Just what I know for sure is that, I am doing the right thing and I am not doing it for my shelfish reasons.

I hope someone can help me out here.

 

[Hildegarda]

My parents are very upset ( they are probably freaking out!) about what I am doing. [..]They are also telling me that my company now wants me to quite the job because a selfish and self-centered person like me keep making troubles so they wouldn't like it. [..] I know my parents love me so that they say such things...but they have no understanding.

I watched the News from NHK[..] earlier yesterday. [..] I think they are probably lying (or are not telling the whole story for sure!). I cannot stand what I read from the Sings and some English articles, and what I read in Japanese are so different. There are so many contradictions...it blows my mind. [..] Meanwhile, my friends are now stating to plan for Hanami(picnic under cherry blossom trees) party. To me it is outragious after all this happened (happening on going.)

Hi Aya,

You are definitely right that the whole story is not told. The Japanese government, media and the Tokyo Electric Power Co officials have been very tight-lipped about anything the nuclear disaster at Fukushima complex. IAEA had to practically beg for data about what's going on in there, let alone be allowed to help or intervene. Same thing happened in Chernobyl years back, Europe was freaking out because the Russian officials wouldn't tell anyone what was going on in there. These parallels are unfortunate (see _http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-03-21/un-atomic-agency-deflects-criticism-of-response-to-japan-s-reactor-crisis.html for one short account of behind-the-scene frustration among the experts in the field).

Regarding the difference in news coverage in Japan and the western coverage from SOTT and elsewhere, as well as your communication with your family, it seems that you are up coming up against some cultural differences. Not so much a conspiracy on either of the ends, Japanese or western, but rather different ways in which people think about issues and approach problems. Below, I have inserted something I have read in a blog I follow, from a foreign teacher of English as a second language who is working in Japan. It is a personal a subjective impression of the blog's author, but may be it will help explain some of the things you are noticing:

Here is my typical dialog with a Japanese student, it repeats itself time after time, the answers are always exactly the same:

(me) -"Are you afraid of radiation?"
-"Yes, I am"
-"Why?"
-"Because I cannot see it or detect it on my own"
-"Then why don't you leave this area and move down south?"
-"But on TV, they didn't announce mandatory evacuation, right?"
-"So then, when would you leave?"
-"When the conditions become dangerous"
-"And how would you know that they have become dangerous?"
-"When it's announced on the TV"
-"And if on TV they announce this or that number of sieverts, how many sieverts is 'dangerous'?"
-"Well... I don't know.."
-"Well, let's say, you have already heard on TV about millisieverts, so how many millisieverts is dangerous, how would you find out that it's time to evacuate?"
-"Well, I don't know ... may be ... may be 1000..."

That' it.

In my school, btw, absolutely all foreign teachers discuss radiation with their students daily. When you sit in your office, you hear a constant quiet buzz of words in English:
-radiation...
-background ...
-microsieverts...
-air flight from Tokyo to New York...
-chest X-ray...
-nuclear reactor...
-radioactive...
-cesium...
-radiation...

And it's always the foreigners who are doing all the talking, the students just listen or sometimes respond along the lines of what I quoted above.

Interestingly enough, all the foreigners lower their voices when discussing this topic. It appears that they feel strange that they, not being native here or personally involved, end up talking about the same thing in the same exact words. They also appear shy and self-conscious. They are self-conscious of their inclination to take initiative, to know what's happening, to check and cross-check independently -- they are shy that they, while surrounded by the Japanese, act differently from them. It's likely that they feel they are acting rationally, but when the whole crowd around them, the whole society, just doesn't bother with it, one can't help feeling like an overzealous busy-body and lower one's voice.

This must have been part of the plan. Tokyo has a population of 40 mln, and the last thing they -- the government -- want is large-scale panic. But, some say that the Japanese have a special brand of "zen" that helps them face the radiation unflinchingly yet with full awareness. That just doesn't seem to be the real reason why most people's lives, daily routine and mindset here didn't appear to have changed at all.

There is more there, about the international community being short-sighted and not taking things seriously as well, but the above seemed pertinent to your experience.

All I can say is, I do hope that each new day brings more clarity for you, what to do. You still have your job, which is great. May be others could advise further. Thank you for keeping us posted!

 

[Kaigen]

Aya I can truthfully understand your situation. I underwent situation like this before in my life.
I went to other country after the chernobyl disaster to. But I didn't get back. I started new life
and my family came after me as the things gone worst.

Here in Japan people are very disciplinary.
I hear every time from my wife, that I'm crazy talking about drinks for kids. I said this is Aspartam
this is not sugar. My wife want me to do things she know I couldn't do because of my way of thinking.
She always try to change me and make me be like the other sheep's.

About the Japanese TV. I never saw a foreign team of rescue workers in TV. I can not explain way?

Stay strong Aya do what is best for you.

 

[Niall]

Aya, this struggle with your feelings of guilt and shame about upsetting your parents and people back in Japan must be difficult to deal with (on top of your worries about your job). Remember that this is what the General Law does when we are making big decisions towards working for our destiny. It might be a good idea to make a list (if you haven't already) of all the reasons why you have left Japan, then keep it close to you and read it everytime you dream of retuning to your normal life! Although you conquered the first hurdle of choosing to leave, the choice is still ongoing. You are saying contradictory things in your latest post, but that is understandable because your thoughts are being pulled from one idea to the opposite.

First up, your job situation. Personally, it wouldn't be the thing uppermost in my mind when the world around me is undergoing nuclear meltdown. But anyway, it's the most pressing issue for you just now, so let's try to look at things with a clear head.

I found out about my situation about my work. Since I gave them notice to leave the store for short while, they told me that I can still keep my job if I come back within 3 months.
On top of that, if I get a doctors note, I can still get my salrary for 3months that I miss without a problem.

Great! As far as your current job is concerned, that gives you a window of three months.

However, the probelem is that there is no garantee that I can relocate my job. After all these troubles (troubles for them in a sence), I am not willing to go back and work at the same place.

You have caused no one any trouble. Your feelings of guilt brought on by your parents are clouding the facts: the facts are that your employer has said the job is still yours for up to 3 months, during which you can get paid if you get a doctor's note (which I would be doing if I was in your situation). If your employer thought you were "trouble", would they have given you 3 months? AND advised you that they will pay your salary during that time if you get a doctor's note?

My parents are very upset ( they are probably freaking out!) about what I am doing. Their advice is that I should come back immediately.. so that I can have chance to work there again without much problems.

Yes, don't make waves, you're making us look bad! You're being unpatriotic! Get back in line, don't think for yourself! Obey!

They think that once I send them a doctors note, it's going to stick around with me as a record for whole life, so I am going to lose chances in the coming future.

The coming future? Which one would that be? Is that the one where everybody lives happily ever after in homes heated by energy from nuclear reactors? Or is it the one where incoming comets bring events like what happened on March 11 on a daily basis? I don't know if it's a class or cultural thing, but where I come from, people pull out of work by pretending to be sick all the time! It's not that they're lazy, it's that they have better things to be doing with their valuable time! Anyway, I won't belabour the point; I think you know that this is more guilt projection onto you by people who have chosen not to see the situation as it is.

They are also telling me that my company now wants me to quite the job because a selfish and self-centered person like me keep making troubles so they wouldn't like it. (This is very true. Especially it seems like they are not happy with dealing with irregular personal problems.)

They're lying to you Aya. It's understandable though. They want you to return and continue to live the lie with them. Everyday you spend away is another day in which they are tormented by the doubt that you may just be doing the right thing. Let's say, for the sake of argument (even though I guarantee you they aren't), that everyone back home is gossiping about you and how much "trouble" you are. Good! The more the merrier. That means word will spread about another person who left because of the dangers of staying. Maybe others will take notice and follow your example.

Like they said, if I quite my job, it is true that it is going to be lot harder to get another one as a full time worker. I know they are right about it.

Horse hockey. You will find whatever you need if you just put your mind to it and let the Universe meet you halfway. Whether it's back in Japan or in Canada or elsewhere.

Also, she is stating to tell me about my mistakes in the past, which she wants to say that the same thing is going to happen! (Well, at least I have better idea what I am doing now than the past.) Afterall, I am very sad that she started to blame on me what I have been doing...detox and being strict about diet. "You were not used to be like that! Why you are so being strict about diet and worried about toxins etc etc..." She was being covert aggressive all the way through the talk on a phone.

Aha! The job issue is only tangential to the real issue: the real issue is that you are working towards your own destiny. Your mother loves you to the extent that she understands what love is. But if she really loved you, she would not be projecting her fears into you in order to manipulate and terrorise you into returning and keeping you from growing as part of this network.

I feel so pitiful (which I shouldn't be, I know!) to stay away from the country to be safe, while everyone else is facing dangers and doing something heroic.

Heroic? That isn't heroic Aya. It's suicidal martyrdom! For what? Heroic is to take a decision like you have done, to go against the flow when you have only your own reason (with help from this network) to base your decision on.

Also. now NHK is encouraging mothers to let infants to drink tap water because there is no immediate danger. Probably too many people are now buying bottles of water so that goverment is telling such thing to reduce panic amoung the public. I think they are probably lying (or are not telling the whole story for sure!). I cannot stand what I read from the Sings and some English articles, and what I read in Japanese are so different. There are so many contradictions...it blows my mind.

It's absolute madness, isn't it? Everyone would rather commit collective hari-kiri than openly discuss the hell they are descending into. And yes, the Japanese media is lying. The situation is completely out of control.

"As it was in the days of Noah, so shall it be in the days of the Son of man, They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all (Luke 17:26-27)."

Most people will just continue their regular lives, failing to act on the signs that are all around them, right up until the very last moment, when there will be "weeping and gnashing of teeth", agonising guilt and terror in the face of realising their whole life had been reduced to a ashes, a dream in the past. People are continuing to choose to believe government lies in the face of imminent (2-3 years) global catastrophe.

Now, the situation in Japan is that the world has not come to an end. Oh no, it's still business as usual! Roads have been rebuilt already, the government tells everyone everything is just A-OK, people prepare for Hanami under the cherry blossom trees even as 10,000 people are still missing, even as radiation levels at Fukushima soar to 10 MILLION TIMES NORMAL LEVEL!!!

When there is a shock like this, people react in one of two basic ways: they either use the energy from the shock to reinforce the subjective bubble of reality they have been living in for their whole lives, encasing themselves in deeper layers of cement which they believe will protect them from ever having to experience such a shock again... Or, they take stock of the situation, consider the bigger picture, then DO something to realign their own reality with the glimpse of objective reality they can see through the shock.

If you go back to Japan, you will be exposed to high levels of radiation. This is a fact. What you cannot know now is just how badly it will affect you. You and everyone around you might, to outward appearances, be just fine... but all the while the radiation is eating you from the inside out. And when it comes time to go in the ark, so to speak, you may not have the strength, will or the ability to do so.

And anyway, Aya, why be so identified with this job? Your ties to family, friends, culture, your whole life being uprooted, I can understand why that is very difficult to change. But your job? These are your parents' fears. You speak English, you have talents. Can you look for work in Canada? Can you apply for an extended visa there?

 

[seekr]

I think Kniall has done an excellent analysis of the dynamics driving you and your parents, and the Japanese population's fears, for that matter. A majority of people would rather ignore the situation and pretend "all is well" so they can return to their routine. And in their pursuit of maintaining this illusion, they will curse all those that can see and take action, because your action is a constant reminder to them that they have been duped. The illusion demands conformity! But this approach will do nothing to help the objective reality we are faced with.

The C's have said, "It's not WHERE you are, but WHO, you are and WHAT you can SEE". As more and more places are hit with catastrophe, I'm beginning to think, that the "where" is not so important, because if you can "SEE", you will know when it is time to change the "where". I also think that many of us will need to change location several times. That is why the networking will be so important. Because we will need a network to help as we change from one place to another and also to be able to help as others as they change locales.

I also think that the detox and diet is of utmost importance, because without one's health, how will you have the strength and clarity of mind to carry on or be of help to others in need if you are sick or deluded?

As noted before, you have 3 months to return to your job. So I would take this time to detox, reduce stress levels, strengthen your health and look at your options based on facts of the situation, not fear and guilt. Let your friends/network, in Canada, help you right now so that you may be ready to help others when the time is right.



P.S. I do feel for you and all of Japan in this situation and wish you the strength to pull through this crisis

 

[davey72]

Radiation soars to 10 MILLION TIMES normal level at Fukushima plant -- Sott.net. EDIT: sorry,this ead supposed to be a link i got from Sott that was on facebook. Im sure it is at sott.net

 

[davey72]

It may help your decisipn process to read chatet 36( the last chapter) of the adventure series. Your energy is stolen by coopting yout own free will, which is done in part by making you believe their lies. Due to emotional manipulation,you give up your free will. I am not thinking clearly,and cant seem ti copy links,so perhaps someone else can put said link, or quote the article with the clarity that seems to be outta my reach right now.