Belgrade: 13-year-old shoots dead eight classmates and a security guard

Today around 10 a.m. a young man injured a teacher and several students with a sharp object in an educational institution in the Prečko (Zagreb, Croatia) area. The attacker is under police surveillance. The injured are receiving medical attention.

ATTACK IN ZAGREB: Young man (19) stabs teacher and students, one child (7) dies, five injured: Teacher undergoes surgery

One child died as a result of the injuries.
Seven people were injured, including five children.
We learn from the hospital that the attacker also had stab wounds to his body when he was brought to the hospital.

Media previously reported that the attacker was a 19-year-old, allegedly a student at the school, outside which there were many police and ambulances following the attack.

As our reporters have learned, there is talk in the Prečko neighborhood that students allegedly told their parents that the attacker was dressed in black and masked, and that he visited several other students before the class in which he committed the attack.

Minister of the Interior addressed the public: "From the first report to the police, within 10 minutes the perpetrator was subdued. He fled the scene and locked himself in a nearby health center building. He began to inflict injuries on himself with a knife. The police prevented him from committing suicide".
The mother of the attacker who entered Prečko Elementary School on Friday morning and attacked children and a teacher with a knife spoke out for 24sata. She told them that he has an emotionally unstable personality, with two additional diagnoses and that he had previously cut himself. She had heard about the attack, but she still doesn't have all the information.

- I was told that the attacker was my son. This morning, my dad took him to the day hospital at nine o'clock, he went to those day hospitals again. He was in a psychiatric hospital a couple of times. A month and a half ago, he imprisoned me and my mother in the apartment, took our cell phones, keys and ended up in Jankomir again - said the mother of the 19-year-old who committed the attack.

The attacker's mother spoke out: 'We haven't slept for nights in fear for him. He was being treated, and the doctor col-bloodedly let him go'

The mother said that they slept in fear at night and did everything they could to save him. They don't know why he went to school, he attended it five years ago.

- The doctor col-bloodedly let him out so we could take care of him. He apparently left the day hospital and took a knife and did what he did. I don't know the reason. I heard he stabbed himself too - she added in 24sata.
 
Probably something that could be easily avoided if someone were just doing their jobs. And thats something that we don't have in modern societies. Will that doctor who estimated that young man is not dangerous be held responsible? And even after he already did locking up his mother in the house? Somehow I doubt it....
 
New details about the crime that shocked Croatia video surveillance of school is being reviewed murderer will not go to prison

The perpetrator of this bloody crime, once he recovers from the injuries he inflicted on himself after escaping from school, will face criminal charges for aggravated murder and four attempted aggravated murder, which carries a long prison sentence.

However, given that his mother briefly told the media yesterday that L. M. is mentally ill, that he has a diagnosis, that he has been treated in a psychiatric hospital, but also in a day hospital, it cannot be ruled out that, after the investigation against the 19-year-old is launched, a combined forensic medical examination will show that at the time of the brutal crime he was mentally incompetent due to his severe mental state, and therefore he could be tried under the Act on the Protection of Persons with Mental Disorders.

Also, some media reports that he was obsessed with cold weapons and that on the page where the knife was being sold, he commented that it was too blunt.
On the day when he committed the crime his father took him to a regular daily check-up at a psychiatric hospital.
Police later found a discarded bonnet with the inscription "Blessed" which they believe was his.
The parents are devastated and shocked that something like this could have happened. One parent commented:

"This is a disaster. What else is needed? For someone to enter the kindergarten? And now we will listen to their demagoguery, but we need to act. There was an attack in Belgrade a year and a half ago. Croatia did nothing. I have been working on technical protection systems for 18 years. Nothing has been done in schools. I enter the school, I don't even have to tell anyone anything because there is no one there.

I enter normally, the school is unlocked, what are we talking about".

In the session on 13 May 2023 the C's said:

Q: (Konstantin) Was the child who shot at kids at school in Belgrade a psychopath as he claimed, or was he influenced by some intelligence, like Mossad or similar?

A: 4D STS via astral attachment.

Q: (L) So he's just kind of there to create fear and panic and horror and pain and suffering.

A: Yes.

Q: (Andromeda) There were two within a short period of time, right?

(Joe) Yeah, within a few days.

(L) In Belgrade?

(Andromeda) Yeah. Was it the same case for both of them?

A: Yes.

I wonder is the same reason behind the "motive".
 
Probably something that could be easily avoided if someone were just doing their jobs. And thats something that we don't have in modern societies. Will that doctor who estimated that young man is not dangerous be held responsible? And even after he already did locking up his mother in the house? Somehow I doubt it....
I think it's a good thing that doctors don't have a power (yet) to lock people up only based on their "estimation", because all the non-vaxxed during the scamdemic would have been put into real concentration camps as all of us were labeled as dangerous to other obedient citizens and to our very selves in those times of mass propaganda and hysteria. Who knows, maybe this sad incident is going to be used for something like that, for stripping away a bit more of the little freedoms and rights that are still left to people.

If his parents didn't file a motion to take the young man into custody, and if he didn't show signs of concerning violence towards others or himself publicly and that could be verified, being mentally ill is not a proper reason to be forcefully locked up, otherwise all people with mental or psychological undesired and potentially troublesome conditions would be put away somewhere in straightjackets, including but not limited only to some more benign ones like epileptics. The parents can say anything they want now, in principle, but if they didn't act before, when the guy threatened them, or if he was put into their custody for these reasons and they left him unsupervised in public, then it's obviously also their failure to prevent something like this from happening.

It seems there're also other security failures in this case. It's been some time since attended the school grounds and school buildings indoor, so things might have changed since then, but there was an instrument of "students on duty" that acted as a sort of doormen for the day, accompanied with "teacher on duty" as a support if and when needed, in case when no official doorman from a security company was hired (I think that's ancient history now, but don't know for certain), for example. If nothing else, they should have noted the man who's not supposed to enter the school grounds and be there unauthorized, and allert the grown-ups, if not outright sound the alarm, as that's their "duty" for the day in the school. And if there was an official doorman, well, it's his job to (re)act in cases like this one.
 
Montenegrin PM proposes gun ban after 12 die in shooting spree

At least 12 people killed, including two children, as an armed man went on a shooting rampage after a bar brawl on Wednesday in the central Montenegrin city of Cetinje.

Montenegrin authorities will consider all options to prevent further gun-related incidents, including a country-wide weapons ban, after a man said to have gone on a shooting spree in the city of Cetinje on Wednesday killed at least 12 people and critically injured four others, PM Milojko Spajić said.

"At the (upcoming) National Security Council meeting, we will urgently look at all options, including a complete ban on gun ownership," he said.

"Weapons can't be in the streets and in the hands of those who could hurt others. I will ask our security heads to offer concrete solutions for the safety of our citizens as early as tomorrow," Spajić added.

Police identified the killer as the 45-year-old Aco Martinović.

Montenegro’s Interior Minister Danilo Šaranović says Martinović went on a shooting spree after a fight broke out at the bar he was at. Police say he shot and killed the bar owner and his children, as well as members of his own family after he left the premises.

Police dispatched its special forces to search for the attacker in Cetinje, located some 30 kilometres northwest of the capital Podgorica. The suspect committed suicide after the police tracked him down and surrounded him, the country's public prosecutor said.

“The level of rage and brutality shows that sometimes such people ... are even more dangerous than members of organised criminal gangs,” Šaranović said.

Authorities say Martinović was at the bar throughout the day with other guests when the brawl broke out. Police Commissioner Lazar Šćepanović says the attacker went home and returned to the bar with a weapon, opening fire at around 5:30 pm.

He killed four people at the bar before heading out and then continued shooting at three more locations, said Šćepanović. "He tried to take the lives of four more people, and then fled with the vehicle he was using, which we have found.”

The suspect also appears to have had past run-ins with the law. In 2005, he received a suspended sentence for violent behaviour and appealed his latest conviction for illegal possession of a firearm. Montenegrin media reports say Martinović had built up a reputation for violence and erratic behaviour.

Wednesday’s shooting was the second shooting rampage over a three-year period in Cetinje, Montenegro’s historic capital. In mid-2022, an attacker also killed 10 people, including two children, before he was neutralised in a standoff against police and residents.

The small country of some 650,000 is known for its gun culture, with many owning weapons.

Montenegro’s President Jakov Milatović said in a post on X that he was “shocked and stunned” by the tragedy. “Instead of holiday joy, we have been gripped by sadness over the loss of innocent lives”.

After the incident, Spajić went to the hospital where the four wounded people were being treated to assess their situation.

The Montenegrin premier announced three days of national mourning, asking for solidarity.

"Our thoughts are with the families of those killed and injured. As a society, we have to be with them in this moment of deep pain and tragedy."


Vučić today revealed this info about the event in Belgrade:

Vučić revealed: Foreign services wanted the boy murderer – I refused to talk with them

Serbian President Aleksandar Vučić said that foreign security services have asked to hand over the boy KK who killed in the "Ribnikar" school.

Asked whether it was true that foreign services were looking for KK, Vučić said that they asked Serbia to give them KK just the day after the massacre, with the explanation that he could not be sanctioned here.

"The day after that, they asked me to give them KK. The day after, exactly the day after, 'since you won't be able to punish him, and that child has to live - leave him to us' and so on. I refused to talk about that topic, because I know how unfair it would be to the families of the victims. A representative of a foreign country and a foreign service directly asked us for it."

 
I don't know how young people nowadays communicate and about what but I remember when I went to college in a distant town where I just had to meet all the new people, my new college friends on a first coffee warned me about all the crazy people in town and places where is not safe to go. This is not gossiping but giving people a proper warning so they don't end up in trouble. If somebody is behaving unusual it is other's people's duty to at least mention it to others. Knowledge protects.

What happened after that incident in Serbia is that in many schools in our region, lots of naughty kids decided to make death lists of who they wanted to kill from class students to teachers and in one elementary school one girl brought some toxic house cleaning chemical and poured it into her classmate's juice. One kid from my son's class made a death list so I had to go to police to sign a statement that my son is a victim of a death threat. Then he said to my son : "You know I didn't want to kill you?" The kid was just an attention seeker and he got a criminal charge for the "prank" he did.

Some people have natural instinct that tells them with whom it's safe to be with and with whom it's not but when we do all that "be friends with everybody" thing and all kinds of inclusions like, so what if someone is mentally ill, you put your kids into danger. I know quite a lot of people with mental illnesses and it's really hard for their families because they are so unpredictable if they don't take medications. You basically can't force an adult to go to a treatmant. And yes, this is a potential for more restrictions, my son's school decided that they won't let kids out for lunch break anymore and in other schools they will hire a security guards.
 
There are strong talks in Montenegro now about gun ban and also making it harder to legally obtain weapons .
PM Spajic said that people are asked to voluntary give illegal weapons which will be without any consequences, but harsh sanctions (prison) is to be expected for those that do not do so. But the question rises how will they find out who has illegal weapons? Will they search houses or stop random cars?... This is still not officially implemented though
 
The massacre on the first day of this year reminded of the bloody Bratović case, but also reignited discussions on social media about alleged cases of schizophrenia that have been widespread among Cetinje residents for decades, mostly men, but which, as the story goes, have been persistently and constantly swept under the rug for years.

One of the views that has been massively shared and discussed on social media in recent hours states that “one of the well-kept secrets for the sake of brotherhood and unity was that young men from Cetinje were massively exempted from military service in the JNA because they were not mentally and psychologically capable of handling weapons.”

It is also added that “the doctor who exempted them, a psychiatrist, was tortured and beaten by the UBDA for days for undermining the security order of the SFRY. However, this man defended himself against all charges at the Military Court. He proved and scientifically explained that most young men suffer from hebephrenic schizophrenia, which is a radical-nuclear form of this mental illness of hereditary type, and begins to manifest itself after the end of puberty. Since it is a small area, closely 'tribal' connected, the disease spread. It is characterized by irresponsible, bizarre and obsessive behavior, incoherent speech...", and it is concluded that, although no sources or other data are provided to support such a claim, "according to official statistics of the former JNA, the highest number of discharged military conscripts per capita were from Cetinje, all due to psychological deficits."

Schizophrenia is a mental illness that makes it impossible to distinguish between real and unreal experiences or experiences, interferes with logical thinking, normal emotional experiences towards other people, and disrupts the social functioning of the sufferer. In schizophrenic disorders, certain brain functions change. The result is changes in thinking, perception and affectivity, and in general, changes in the psyche.

Approximately one percent of people will develop schizophrenia during their lifetime. It seems that there is a genetic predisposition to developing the disease. Among people whose parent or sibling is ill, 10-15 percent will develop the disorder. In children whose both parents have schizophrenia, 40 percent of them will develop the disease. The risk rate remains unchanged whether the children were raised by their parents or adopted. Men are at the highest risk for developing schizophrenia between the ages of 15 and 35, with the highest risk in their twenties.

The hebephrenic form has an early onset after puberty, appearing between the ages of 15 and 25. Affective changes are noticeable. It is characterized by pronounced regression and disinhibited, disorganized, childish, irresponsible, hang-up and bizarre behavior, as well as a tendency to inappropriate jokes and preoccupation with philosophical topics. Emotional reactions are inadequate and changeable, often accompanied by laughing and giggling for no apparent reason, bizarre grimacing. Mood is elevated and inappropriate, thinking is disorganized, and speech is incoherent. There is a tendency towards social isolation. The posture is described as silly.

 
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