Boston Marathon Bombs

[Bim]

So it seems they caught the guy. First they say he likely wasnt injured because they didnt take him away by ambulance... now they say his injuries are bad.

And seeing people clap and many saying how proud they are to be Americans right now... yeah, i dunno what to say about that. Oh, and there seems to be a debate whether his miranda rights should be read or not. Popular consensus seems to be they shouldnt (why am i not surprised?).

_http://www.politico.com/story/2013/04/no-miranda-rights-for-now-for-bombing-suspect-90362.html#ixzz2QxxofKrZ

No Miranda rights for now for bombing suspect

The Boston Marathon bombing suspect captured Friday night will not be immediately read his Miranda rights, a Justice Department official said.
The announcement came as a debate broke out among lawmakers, lawyers and political activists over whether the suspect, Dzhokar Tsarnaev, should be prosecuted in a civilian criminal court or subjected to military interrogation and over when and whether Tsarnaev should be told about his right to an attorney.

“No Miranda warning to be given” now, the DOJ official said. “The government will be invoking the public safety exception.”
Beginning several hours before Tsarnaev’s capture, Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) wrote on Twitter that the suspect ought to be placed in military custody.
“If captured, I hope Administration will at least consider holding the Boston suspect as enemy combatant for intelligence gathering purposes,” Graham wrote Friday afternoon. “The last thing we may want to do is read Boston suspect Miranda Rights telling him to ‘remain silent.’”

“The Law of War allows us to hold individual in this scenario as potential enemy combatant w/o Miranda warnings or appointment of counsel,” the senator added later in the evening. “I hope the Obama Administration will seriously consider this option….The goal is to gather intelligence and protect our nation which is under threat from radical Islam.”

The Obama administration appeared to be taking a middle course, holding off on advising Tsarnaev of his rights, but still directing him into the criminal justice system for prosecution.

During a news conference shortly after the suspect was captured, U.S. Attorney for Massachusetts Carmen Ortiz did not directly confirm that the suspect was not read his rights. However, she said the law allows for exceptions. “There is a public-safety exemption in cases of national security and potential charges involving acts of terrorism,” Ortiz said.

However, when Ortiz said her office would “continue to evaluate and file our formal charges,” she also seemed to imply that Tsarnaev would face justice in a civilian federal court.

A joint FBI/CIA interrogation unit that President Barack Obama established to handle terrorism cases has been activated and is on the scene, the DOJ official added. “The high value detained interrogation group is on site,” the official said.

 

[salinafaerie]

Re: Report of 2 Explosions At The Boston Marathon Finishline

I do choose otherwise, although it looks like I do not know what it means in practice. As to waking people up my idea was that I need to Work on myself in order to wake up myself first, at least to extent to be able to pass the knowledge to those who ask. Also my idea was that it is a main purpose of our waking up - that if critical mass of awakened people would be achieved, things are going to change in material 3D plane, though I do not know in what way it will manifest, perhaps acting in such circumstances.

But what it means in terms of acting in this particular situation I still do not understand and I think that your post does not really answer it. It sounds to me (maybe I am wrong) like you are being impatient with me, like since I am here I should already know.

I just imagine myself being there and I wonder what I could do? Practically. Realistically. I do not think I am buying into what they want us to believe, but aren’t we often powerless in many practical situations in life and we have to go with them?

I'm confused here too, jasminum, because I also thought it was violating someone's free will to force information on them that they don't want and that the real Work is within ourselves regardless of what is going on around us.

Maybe someone could clarify this for us.

Thank you.

 

[Guardian]

Re: Report of 2 Explosions At The Boston Marathon Finishline

That is EXACTLY what they want you to think. That is exactly what the last decade+ mind programming was aiming for - that people would equate acting in a logical and sane manner with getting stripped naked by the police.

... and the ultimate threat here is so stupid to begin with. "Oh no, I'll be stripped naked by the police!" So what? It's just a freak'in meatsuit. We've all got them, and they've all got wrinkles and warts?

If I found myself in that situation, I'd just start stripping until they begged me to stop, and I'm betting they would before I got down to the granny panties? Of course this tactic might not work if you're not old and chunky.

 

[Guardian]

Some evidence:

1 cm/day - speed of Chechens hair growth...

Now this is an interesting find!

 

[Foxx]

And I've read a couple of post on facebook from people I'm friends with stating that they are glad the one person is dead with hopes that the second guy will be killed. People are so programmed that they have a blood lust. I'm going to unfriend them. Pretty shocking and I'm at a total loss for words.

I've been thinking about unfriending at least one person I know as well--not so much for the blood lust, but for the sheer outright sheep status of their "thinking". It's not surprising, just appalling to a degree that is difficult to swallow.

And seeing people clap and many saying how proud they are to be Americans right now... yeah, i dunno what to say about that.

This is just so disgusting to me. People were so afraid of a 19 year old (not that I buy that story, but they do, so that's what they're afraid of) that they stayed inside and locked their homes while the police state freely rifled through their stuff, letting the TPTB take away every ounce of freedom and self worth they could possibly let them take, and then the guy is caught and they talk about how strong they were! "Go us, we didn't do anything except let the police state take everything!" If you don't do anything, what do you have to be proud of? Nothing. This quote from Gurdjieff came to mind and I posted it on my wall:

"The crowd neither wants nor seeks knowledge, and the leaders of the crowd, in their own interests, try to strengthen its fear and dislike of everything new and unknown. The slavery in which mankind lives is based upon this fear.

One thing alone is certain, that man's slavery grows and increases.
Man is becoming a willing slave. He no longer needs chains.
He begins to grow fond of his slavery, to be proud of it.
And this is the most terrible thing that can happen to a man."

They pat themselves on the back for their slavery, applaud it, completely proud that they are totally obedient to their masters. It's truly and profoundly sad to see.

 

[ella]

Re: Report of 2 Explosions At The Boston Marathon Finishline

That is EXACTLY what they want you to think. That is exactly what the last decade+ mind programming was aiming for - that people would equate acting in a logical and sane manner with getting stripped naked by the police.

... and the ultimate threat here is so stupid to begin with. "Oh no, I'll be stripped naked by the police!" So what? It's just a freak'in meatsuit. We've all got them, and they've all got wrinkles and warts?

If I found myself in that situation, I'd just start stripping until they begged me to stop, and I'm betting they would before I got down to the granny panties? Of course this tactic might not work if you're not old and chunky.

Well, I can only hope that when/if such situation arrives to where I live, I will have grown enough to know what I need to do and to be able to do it.

 

[Akopirnas]

...
Now this is an interesting find!

Jahar@J_tsar 14 Apr

Got me a haircut, I don't usually do those

from http://twitter.com/J_tsar

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And his living brother Djohar Tsarnaev at 21:04 Boston time still was in russian social network "VKontakte", i.e. when police has already begun action...

http://vk.com/id160300242

 

[Akopirnas]

False alarm: A man lies spread out on the ground as police trains their weapons on him, however it is thought he is not of the suspects

from: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2311443/We-got-Fugitive-bomber-captured-ALIVE-hiding-inside-BOAT-backyard-Boston-home-Cops-use-flash-bang-grenades-gas-flush-Dzhokar-Tsarnev.html

 

[Cosmos]

So they want us to believe that a single 19 year old guy can "hide from and terrorise" a whole brigade of armed government officials, for so many hours?

And that is then the excuse for the government to hold hundreds of thousands people in Boston in their homes and take away their rights as a citizens?

Just imagine what kind of lock down excuse lets say 10 "terrorists" would give the government? The whole US or what?
Just scary and disgusting.

 

[Gwenllian]

Re: Report of 2 Explosions At The Boston Marathon Finishline

That is EXACTLY what they want you to think. That is exactly what the last decade+ mind programming was aiming for - that people would equate acting in a logical and sane manner with getting stripped naked by the police.

... and the ultimate threat here is so stupid to begin with. "Oh no, I'll be stripped naked by the police!" So what? It's just a freak'in meatsuit. We've all got them, and they've all got wrinkles and warts?

If I found myself in that situation, I'd just start stripping until they begged me to stop, and I'm betting they would before I got down to the granny panties? Of course this tactic might not work if you're not old and chunky.

Well, I can only hope that when/if such situation arrives to where I live, I will have grown enough to know what I need to do and to be able to do it.

By doing you grow, OSIT. Personally, I think that we should all think deeply about the posts that Anart wrote. The message is very important.
I have had to deal with the bureaucracy for a decade now. In the beginning I allowed these people into my home, because I didn't have the guts to say no. That made the situation instantly worse. So when social services started investigating me I had learnt enough, so when they wanted to visit our home I said no. A solicitor friend had advised against it and I trusted her opinion. At first I was very nervous, I really had to push myself, but I had seen the mess I had made by complying. The second time they were still pushing for a home visit, quoting some law that they had made up. By then it had become easier for me to say no. The third time they didn't even bother to make an appointment for a home visit and invited me for a meeting at their offices instead! I didn't go, BTW.
As people say here: it is a muscle that you have to train and develop.

The other day we had the military visit our village and they were right next-door to me and firing blanks. I didn't go outside, didn't feel comfortable with all these disintegrating army men. The next day I rang the police and the council, asking them if the military could fire blanks, so close to a house. (They were only a few metres away.) I didn't expect them to respond, but I just wanted to make a point. Train that muscle. I was pretty surprised when the local councilmen took it seriously. The mayor even sent out a letter to the ministry of defence, asking for an explanation. We didn't get a reply of course, but they are still on top of it. I don't think that I violated their free will, they somehow agreed with me. I wouldn't have known this, had I not called. So, it is just a case of trying and doing without expecting anything. There is a Dutch saying that goes like: if there is one sheep over the dam, others will follow. I think we have to be these sheep that go first. ;)

Guardian, , I can't wait until that moment I will be asked to strip.
Thank you so much for making light of this.

 

[Arwenn]

Re: Report of 2 Explosions At The Boston Marathon Finishline

Indeed, here's another:

[quote author=Aunt]
I can not take this kind of information lightly. What century are we living? We need evidence! Otherwise you can go and shoot, you know, anybody like a chicken on the street and say that, you know, he did this or he did that. Not for me. I need evidence.

_http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=107UtLco0Qk
[/quote]

Like someone posted earlier, since when was it OK to shoot 'suspects'? Whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty? This is all playing out like a TV soap, and the masses seem to be buying into it. Something is just so off. Other than CCTV footage of those boys walking past, what actual evidence do they have that they detonated the bombs? The MSM seem to be focussing more on the drama around the manhunt, playing up the fear, and making heroes out of the SWAT teams. No source has actually said how or why they dunnit. Screams of alphabet agency patsy. OSIT

 

[loreta]

...I do not think I could just lock myself up in the house or allow a swat team full access without a fuss. Why aren't these people making a fuss??? National security? phff! It seems the programming is complete. :sigh:

Just what I was thinking. Mission accomplished. At least I think that is what I am seeing around me. It's kinda creepy.

Resisting it makes sense, but what do you do when you are outnumbered and outgunned? I don't know, but it had better be well thought out.

And I've read a couple of post on facebook from people I'm friends with stating that they are glad the one person is dead with hopes that the second guy will be killed. People are so programmed that they have a blood lust. I'm going to unfriend them. Pretty shocking and I'm at a total loss for words.

Me too... I have good friends in Facebook, people who love Prairie dogs and that I know since many, many years. Good people, good citizens, believers in God, in Justice, in Peace. But blind. So I thought to unfriend them than I changed my idea. I accept people as they are, in their ideas of the world. What can I do? Some years ago I believed in justice and in the good work of the police. When the attacks in Madrid I believed the official version, was afraid like an ant. I changed. I will change more and more. My friends can change. But basically I accept as they are. I don't know if this my attitude is the good one. But for now I will accept this. And to have friends that don't think like you it is also a very interesting thing to study.

 

[Laura]

The more I think about it, the more I think that this business is designed to distract attention away from the growing upset among the masses about the confiscation of money from banks and the worsening economic situation between the 1% and everybody else. Nobody is agitating about "don't steal our money" anymore, rather it is "Oh, please protect us from evil terrorists..." and they would probably say now also: "please, take our money too, just keep us safe..."

In other words, a step on the way to the long dreamed of, totally controlled, cashless society.

 

[Arwenn]

Re: Report of 2 Explosions At The Boston Marathon Finishline

Just read that the Senate rejected the background checks bill on gun purchases in a 54-46 vote:

_http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/294571-senate-rejects-tougher-background-checks-on-gun-purchases#ixzz2Qoro6P00

However they were quick slipping this one through Congress: Obama quietly passed law making insider trading easier for US politicians

Strange timing given the large explosion that occurred this evening just north of Waco.

The more I think about it, the more I think that this business is designed to distract attention away from the growing upset among the masses about the confiscation of money from banks and the worsening economic situation between the 1% and everybody else. Nobody is agitating about "don't steal our money" anymore, rather it is "Oh, please protect us from evil terrorists..." and they would probably say now also: "please, take our money too, just keep us safe..."

In other words, a step on the way to the long dreamed of, totally controlled, cashless society.

Hmmm...Laura, given that the above law was unanimously passed, I actually think you might be onto something with the Boston bombing being a diversion from the blatant stealing from the masses by the banksters.

 

[Alada]

The more I think about it, the more I think that this business is designed to distract attention away from the growing upset among the masses about the confiscation of money from banks and the worsening economic situation between the 1% and everybody else.

Good point. There’s a theme that stands out this morning from skimming the news headlines. It’s no longer ‘Muslims from over there’, it’s ‘Muslims from over here’ - U.S. Muslims. They’ve already ramped up the emotions of the masses on this, it would just require one more ‘U.S. Muslims did it’ event for them to lock everything down and for the authoritarian masses to happily comply with turning on Muslims, attacking their businesses, homes, families, jobs, places of worship, etc. Sound familiar?

If WWII was a dry run, maybe a straight repeat is on the cards for the greater focus upon and persecution of a tiny sector of society with which to redirect the public’s anger? An anger which, as in the 1920s/30s, has at it’s root the financial ruin and sense of hopelessness which people find themselves in.

For lack of knowledge, people readily fall into a fear based, linear, ‘well what can I do anyway’ mode of thinking. Where there is a sense of injustice coupled with a powerless to effect change, then emotional pressure builds – and that’s gotta go somewhere. Interesting to note then that the two bombs we’re ‘pressure cooker’ bombs – maybe there’s a mind control/hypnotic opener associated with that? A trigger designed to focus, direct and ‘release the pressure’ growing within the masses? Or indeed also serving a signal for others in the consortium that it’s ‘time to release the pressure’? Aside from that though, a distraction, an enemy right on the doorstep, makes perfect sense in the psychopathic mind and further serves toward the aim of total hegemonic control.

Who knows what exactly you would ‘do’ in such circumstances, maybe just as important is what you would not do, or more precisely, make the informed choice not to do? Maybe we have to remember not to think in strictly linear, 3d terms here, there is the larger context of the Wave to place events within after all - small things can make a big difference. It’s not what we do, so much as who we are and what we See that’s the important thing. Knowledge protects (when applied), so we just to building the Knowledge base with which to better inform our choices.