Boston Marathon Bombs

[Tigersoap]

I looked into traumatic amputation because I am really confused by the different views about if it's fake or not to be honest.

There are various complications associated with amputation of a body part. The most important of these are bleeding, shock, and infection. See also: Wounds...

Try to calm and reassure the person as much as possible. Amputation is painful and extremely frightening...

Control bleeding by applying direct pressure to the wound. Raise the injured area. If the bleeding continues, recheck the source of the bleeding and reapply direct pressure, with help from someone who is not tired. If the person has life-threatening bleeding, a tight bandage or tourniquet will be easier to use than direct pressure on the wound. However, using a tight bandage for a long time may do more harm than good...

_http://pennstatehershey.adam.com/content.aspx?productId=117&pid=1&gid=000006

and in an article about the bombing they say :

Photos and videos from the scene show the use of tourniquets to slow or stop bleeding in the immediate aftermath of the blasts. Absent other injuries, the patient with a traumatic amputation of the leg is most at risk from blood loss. A large and well equipped medical station was at the site, in preparation for any of the marathoners who might have difficulties. The rapid response from the doctors, nurses and other medical professionals provided the injured with timely first aid before they were transported to the hospital.

_http://www.examiner.com/article/the-boston-marathon-bombing-and-traumatic-leg-amputation

 

[Cosmos]

So we are to assume to believe, that the wheelchair guy and his "already healed stumps from the past" were prepared and affixed with two "fake bloody, torn to pieces legs" by special effects makeup artists right there on the scene?

In the first picture the explosion already happened and it seems (If that photo is not photoshopped) that from that time until the next photo was shot the "special effects makeup artists" did their job, right there on the scene, and affixed his two stumps with "fake bloody, torn to pieces legs"?

Kind of strange don't you think?

I'm inclined to say that that whole actor thing (If real or not, doesn't really matter) is a conscious effort by the PTB to muddy the waters and direct people away from really important evidence. Cointelpro in action IMO.

The very fact that so many of the alternative community spring on that planted horse, in this and other recent events, is proof IMO that the PTB have succeeded to implant exactly what they wanted.

Let's face it, if people concentrate on that, IMO planted actor theme, they are successfully directed into the realm of "totally crazy conspiracy theorists and theories". And how successful can such kind of directed research into "crazy land" be, to awake as much of the sleeping public as possible?

I think the PTB know exactly that when they convert most of the attention of the alternative community into such "totally crazy conspiracy theories" like "actors", that it is unlikely that many people of the sleeping public will wake up to the fact that it was indeed some sort of false flag operation.

 

[Gawan]

I looked into traumatic amputation because I am really confused by the different views about if it's fake or not to be honest.

I have a similar feeling. Only thing I wondered about, if psychopaths are in power and can kill or let people kill (or like they do it on a daily basis in other countries and have done so) with a blink of an eye why would they do just something complicated and placing actors, when it is just easier to let a bomb explode? It's like projecting empathy on them, that they are good people imo. Also with so many actors involved it would risk leaks. Maybe the question needs to be asked if it was staged or the reason to suspect that it was staged, cui bono?

 

[darksai]

I have a similar feeling. Only thing I wondered about, if psychopaths are in power and can kill or let people kill (or like they do it on a daily basis in other countries and have done so) with a blink of an eye why would they do just something complicated and placing actors, when it is just easier to let a bomb explode? It's like projecting empathy on them, that they are good people imo. Also with so many actors involved it would risk leaks. Maybe the question needs to be asked if it was staged or the reason to suspect that it was staged, cui bono?

I don't think thinking they're actors amounts to projecting empathy, necessarily. The reason for using actors and going to such lengths as staging, at least some of it, could also be apart of the increased desperation that the C's mentioned.

 

[Gaby]

I've seen people in the ER with open fractures like that one after motor bike accidents and the like. I nearly passed out from the impression every time! But you'll be surprised how frequent it is to see no blood. If the arteries on the leg were sectioned and they stopped bleeding from the heat and/or coagulation or local compression, then that's it.

I've seen bright red blood stains from arteries in the walls of the operating room during open heart surgeries (don't ask!) that will stay like that long enough.

It is the superficial veins that bleed a lot during surgical incisions or deep wounds involving a little bit more than the skin. It is dark. Once that bleeding is taken care of, then you have a "clean" field.

In the end it probably doesn't matter if my experience may or may not apply to these photos, but thought I would share anyway.

 

[Gwenllian]

I looked into traumatic amputation because I am really confused by the different views about if it's fake or not to be honest.

I have a similar feeling. Only thing I wondered about, if psychopaths are in power and can kill or let people kill (or like they do it on a daily basis in other countries and have done so) with a blink of an eye why would they do just something complicated and placing actors, when it is just easier to let a bomb explode? It's like projecting empathy on them, that they are good people imo. Also with so many actors involved it would risk leaks. Maybe the question needs to be asked if it was staged or the reason to suspect that it was staged, cui bono?

I don't know whether they have used actors or not. I was more interested in the issue of blood and I was wondering how it is possible that there is no or so little blood. Psyche has just explained why there is not always blood.
That said, a member of my extended family lost his hand when he was trying to produce his own fireworks. I remember my mother telling me that his sister or someone had to apply constant pressure to the wound, until the ambulance arrived, which lasted quite some time. Why they didn't use a tourniquet, I don't know. It is possible that I misunderstood.

 

[Windmill knight]

In the end it probably doesn't matter if my experience may or may not apply to these photos, but thought I would share anyway.

Why not? I think it does matter and it does apply. You work on the field so your opinion has more weight than most of the rest of us who only know of it through tv or movies.

 

[Joe]

I've seen people in the ER with open fractures like that one after motor bike accidents and the like. I nearly passed out from the impression every time! But you'll be surprised how frequent it is to see no blood. If the arteries on the leg were sectioned and they stopped bleeding from the heat and/or coagulation or local compression, then that's it.

I've seen bright red blood stains from arteries in the walls of the operating room during open heart surgeries (don't ask!) that will stay like that long enough.

It is the superficial veins that bleed a lot during surgical incisions or deep wounds involving a little bit more than the skin. It is dark. Once that bleeding is taken care of, then you have a "clean" field.

In the end it probably doesn't matter if my experience may or may not apply to these photos, but thought I would share anyway.

Your direct experience as an ER doctor jives with what I've been learning about victims of trauma of this nature. As I already mentioned, oxygenated blood is very red. There are pictures from the marathon bombing that show the same bright red blood has turned a darker color a few minutes later. Also, the idea that a person who has had their leg(s) amputated would automatically be spurting blood everywhere does not seem to be true. The human body is a well-designed and intelligent machine it seems. When sudden amputation occurs, the body is well aware that if it loses all its blood it will expire. For this reason, there are a few automatic mechanisms to prevent that.

A complete amputation may not bleed very much. The cut blood vessels may spasm, pull back into the injured part, and shrink. This slows or stops the bleeding. If there is bleeding, do the following:

more here

Vascular spasm

This is a prompt constriction of the broken blood vessel and is the most immediate protection against blood loss. Injury stimulates pain receptors. Some of these receptors directly innervate nearby blood vessels and cause them to constrict. After a few minutes, other mechanisms take over. Injury to the smooth muscle of the blood vessel itself causes a longer-lasting vasoconstriction where platelets release a chemical vasoconstrictor called serotonin. This maintains vascular spasm long enough for the other haemostatic mechanisms to come into play.

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Hemostasis

Sudden and severe loss of blood can lead to shock and death. When blood vessels are damaged, Hemostasis (clot formation) will arrest bleeding. This process is divided into three phases.

I. Vascular phase - Cutting or damaging blood vessels leads to vascular spasm of the smooth muscle in the vessel wall. This produces a vasoconstriction which will slow or even stop blood flow. This response will last up to 30 minutes and is localized to the damaged area.

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I'd just like to say that, in my opinion, which is based on over a decade of intensive research and investigation into the workings of the government of this world, the idea of "actors", that began with Sandy Hook and has been rolled out for the Boston bombings, is almost certainly a Cointelpro operation. People here need to understand that by subscribing to and promoting the idea of "actors" at the Boston bombings, you are very likely aiding and abetting a government disinfo campaign that aims to discredit anyone attempting to inform the general public (those who might still listen) about why these bombings and shootings are occurring.

From the point of view of the average person in the street, or rather, the average person in the street for whom there is still a chance that they can be pulled out of the fire, to say that the Boston bombings or the SH shooting were "staged" by "actors", is precisely the same as saying that Barney the purple dinosaur was responsible. Basically, they simply CANNOT believe it, and will view anyone suggesting that as a complete loon. And to be honest, I agree with them. In that case, I would sooner agree that all such conspiracy theorists should be locked up, than actively engage in spreading government disinformation designed to discredit and destroy the kind of message that we here on this forum and at Sott.net have been trying to spread for a long time. That message is to learn to discern between truth and lies and to use your critical thinking capacities at a time in history when being able to do so may mean the difference between life and death, not just for you, but for millions.

 

[Guardian]

Why not? I think it does matter and it does apply.

I think because she was talking about a compound fracture (where the bone sticks out) not a double amputation? I did Swift Water Rescue for some years, and saw a LOT of injuries...and yeah, I've seen compound fractures that hardly bleed at all.

Nothing I've read explains how there can be NO blood in a double LEG amputation....one where both femoral arteries are completely severed? Nor have I seen how a man can walk through fresh blood and leave no track?

Psyche, have you ever seen a traumatic amputation of a leg?

 

[Guardian]

From the point of view of the average person in the street, or rather, the average person in the street for whom there is still a chance that they can be pulled out of the fire, to say that the Boston bombings or the SH shooting were "staged" by "actors", is precisely the same as saying that Barney the purple dinosaur was responsible. Basically, they simply CANNOT believe it, and will view anyone suggesting that as a complete loon.

Well yeah, but to be blunt those same people would probably think the same thing about anyone who used a Ouija board? I've not spent much of my life paying any attention to those people, basically because they're not paying attention to what's actually going on.

That message is to learn to discern between truth and lies and to use your critical thinking capacities at a time in history when being able to do so may mean the difference between life and death, not just for you, but for millions.

Exactly. So how do we do that without looking at the evidence? I'm not going to stop digging for facts because someone might think I'm a nut. The only evidence we have at this point is the frames taken from the first video that was posted, then removed. The fact that they were taken from a video, frame by frame, makes it highly unlikely they were photo-shopped yet.

I did a lot of reading before I even brought this up, because I knew what the emotional, knee jerk reaction would be. I blew each frame up and looked for any singeing on the pants that would indicate enough heat to cauterize BOTH femoral arteries. There was none. I looked at WAY too many pictures of actual traumatic amputations (mostly Palestinian :() Not ONE without massive blood loss.

The wheelchair guy is waving his stumps around in the air, and there is NO blood on his thighs yet. If his legs had been blown off, at LEAST the remnants of the bottom parts of his legs should have splattered on his thighs and pants? I'm not going to ignore that simply because someone who isn't looking so closely might call me a "loon"

So now what I think I'm seeing is that the government can slip in a plant, who may well become their poster child for the "War on Terror" and they aren't going to get called on it because of the PRIOR disinfo about crisis actors? How convenient.

 

[Nawd]

From the point of view of the average person in the street, or rather, the average person in the street for whom there is still a chance that they can be pulled out of the fire, to say that the Boston bombings or the SH shooting were "staged" by "actors", is precisely the same as saying that Barney the purple dinosaur was responsible. Basically, they simply CANNOT believe it, and will view anyone suggesting that as a complete loon.

Well yeah, but to be blunt those same people would probably think the same thing about anyone who used a Ouija board? I've not spent much of my life paying any attention to those people, basically because they're not paying attention to what's actually going on.

That message is to learn to discern between truth and lies and to use your critical thinking capacities at a time in history when being able to do so may mean the difference between life and death, not just for you, but for millions.

Exactly. So how do we do that without looking at the evidence? I'm not going to stop digging for facts because someone might think I'm a nut. The only evidence we have at this point is the frames taken from the first video that was posted, then removed. The fact that they were taken from a video, frame by frame, makes it highly unlikely they were photo-shopped yet.

I did a lot of reading before I even brought this up, because I knew what the emotional, knee jerk reaction would be. I blew each frame up and looked for any singeing on the pants that would indicate enough heat to cauterize BOTH femoral arteries. There was none. I looked at WAY too many pictures of actual traumatic amputations (mostly Palestinian :() Not ONE without massive blood loss.

The wheelchair guy is waving his stumps around in the air, and there is NO blood on his thighs yet. If his legs had been blown off, at LEAST the remnants of the bottom parts of his legs should have splattered on his thighs and pants? I'm not going to ignore that simply because someone who isn't looking so closely might call me a "loon"

So now what I think I'm seeing is that the government can slip in a plant, who may well become their poster child for the "War on Terror" and they aren't going to get called on it because of the PRIOR disinfo about crisis actors? How convenient.

Also I don't think people who are simply researching should be locked up. We all have researched many of theories on other events, why is this one different?

For me, I'm not promoting these ideas of actors, I'm watching and learning (as I've been taught here), thus when evidence comes in, it's easy for me to research and 'change my mind,' according to evidence.

Edited for more info into personal thoughts.

 

[Gaby]

Psyche, have you ever seen a traumatic amputation of a leg?

A motor bike accident, his leg was nearly completely sectioned. Treatment consisted in finishing the job and stitching the skin together.

Then, surgical leg amputations. Again, once you take care of the superficial veins, there is hardly any bleeding. One takes care of each vessel as you go. The artery in the leg is basically only the femoral artery and its branches.

Then, there are those who come in with their sectioned fingers. Last time, the person took care of his bleeding so well, that it was dry as a clean surgical field.

This never makes good table conversation :/

I used to remove vessels (expendable veins in the legs and radial artery in the arm) for heart bypass surgeries. It was usually an incredibly clean job unless the person was taking hard core blood thinners prior to surgery.

 

[Gwenllian]

From the point of view of the average person in the street, or rather, the average person in the street for whom there is still a chance that they can be pulled out of the fire, to say that the Boston bombings or the SH shooting were "staged" by "actors", is precisely the same as saying that Barney the purple dinosaur was responsible. Basically, they simply CANNOT believe it, and will view anyone suggesting that as a complete loon.

Well yeah, but to be blunt those same people would probably think the same thing about anyone who used a Ouija board? I've not spent much of my life paying any attention to those people, basically because they're not paying attention to what's actually going on.

That message is to learn to discern between truth and lies and to use your critical thinking capacities at a time in history when being able to do so may mean the difference between life and death, not just for you, but for millions.

Exactly. So how do we do that without looking at the evidence? I'm not going to stop digging for facts because someone might think I'm a nut. The only evidence we have at this point is the frames taken from the first video that was posted, then removed. The fact that they were taken from a video, frame by frame, makes it highly unlikely they were photo-shopped yet.

I did a lot of reading before I even brought this up, because I knew what the emotional, knee jerk reaction would be. I blew each frame up and looked for any singeing on the pants that would indicate enough heat to cauterize BOTH femoral arteries. There was none. I looked at WAY too many pictures of actual traumatic amputations (mostly Palestinian :() Not ONE without massive blood loss.

The wheelchair guy is waving his stumps around in the air, and there is NO blood on his thighs yet. If his legs had been blown off, at LEAST the remnants of the bottom parts of his legs should have splattered on his thighs and pants? I'm not going to ignore that simply because someone who isn't looking so closely might call me a "loon"

So now what I think I'm seeing is that the government can slip in a plant, who may well become their poster child for the "War on Terror" and they aren't going to get called on it because of the PRIOR disinfo about crisis actors? How convenient.

Also I don't think people who are simply researching should be locked up. We all have researched many of theories on other events, why is this one different?

For me, I'm not promoting these ideas of actors, I'm watching and learning (as I've been taught here), thus when evidence comes in, it's easy for me to research and 'change my mind,' according to evidence.

I know for a fact that I have been very gullible up till now and I need this network and SOTT to help me rearrange my thoughts and ditch the garbage that was planted in my head.
That said, I did wonder about the blood, but didn't want to mention any doubts out of fear.

 

[aragorn]

From the point of view of the average person in the street, or rather, the average person in the street for whom there is still a chance that they can be pulled out of the fire, to say that the Boston bombings or the SH shooting were "staged" by "actors", is precisely the same as saying that Barney the purple dinosaur was responsible. Basically, they simply CANNOT believe it, and will view anyone suggesting that as a complete loon.

Well yeah, but to be blunt those same people would probably think the same thing about anyone who used a Ouija board? I've not spent much of my life paying any attention to those people, basically because they're not paying attention to what's actually going on.

That message is to learn to discern between truth and lies and to use your critical thinking capacities at a time in history when being able to do so may mean the difference between life and death, not just for you, but for millions.

Exactly. So how do we do that without looking at the evidence? I'm not going to stop digging for facts because someone might think I'm a nut. The only evidence we have at this point is the frames taken from the first video that was posted, then removed. The fact that they were taken from a video, frame by frame, makes it highly unlikely they were photo-shopped yet.

I did a lot of reading before I even brought this up, because I knew what the emotional, knee jerk reaction would be. I blew each frame up and looked for any singeing on the pants that would indicate enough heat to cauterize BOTH femoral arteries. There was none. I looked at WAY too many pictures of actual traumatic amputations (mostly Palestinian :() Not ONE without massive blood loss.

The wheelchair guy is waving his stumps around in the air, and there is NO blood on his thighs yet. If his legs had been blown off, at LEAST the remnants of the bottom parts of his legs should have splattered on his thighs and pants? I'm not going to ignore that simply because someone who isn't looking so closely might call me a "loon"

So now what I think I'm seeing is that the government can slip in a plant, who may well become their poster child for the "War on Terror" and they aren't going to get called on it because of the PRIOR disinfo about crisis actors? How convenient.

Also I don't think people who are simply researching should be locked up. We all have researched many of theories on other events, why is this one different?

For me, I'm not promoting these ideas of actors, I'm watching and learning (as I've been taught here), thus when evidence comes in, it's easy for me to research and 'change my mind,' according to evidence.

I know for a fact that I have been very gullible up till now and I need this network and SOTT to help me rearrange my thoughts and ditch the garbage that was planted in my head.
That said, I did wonder about the blood, but didn't want to mention any doubts out of fear.

Out of fear for what, exactly?

 

[darksai]

From the point of view of the average person in the street, or rather, the average person in the street for whom there is still a chance that they can be pulled out of the fire, to say that the Boston bombings or the SH shooting were "staged" by "actors", is precisely the same as saying that Barney the purple dinosaur was responsible. Basically, they simply CANNOT believe it, and will view anyone suggesting that as a complete loon.

Well yeah, but to be blunt those same people would probably think the same thing about anyone who used a Ouija board? I've not spent much of my life paying any attention to those people, basically because they're not paying attention to what's actually going on.

That message is to learn to discern between truth and lies and to use your critical thinking capacities at a time in history when being able to do so may mean the difference between life and death, not just for you, but for millions.

Exactly. So how do we do that without looking at the evidence? I'm not going to stop digging for facts because someone might think I'm a nut. The only evidence we have at this point is the frames taken from the first video that was posted, then removed. The fact that they were taken from a video, frame by frame, makes it highly unlikely they were photo-shopped yet.

I did a lot of reading before I even brought this up, because I knew what the emotional, knee jerk reaction would be. I blew each frame up and looked for any singeing on the pants that would indicate enough heat to cauterize BOTH femoral arteries. There was none. I looked at WAY too many pictures of actual traumatic amputations (mostly Palestinian :() Not ONE without massive blood loss.

The wheelchair guy is waving his stumps around in the air, and there is NO blood on his thighs yet. If his legs had been blown off, at LEAST the remnants of the bottom parts of his legs should have splattered on his thighs and pants? I'm not going to ignore that simply because someone who isn't looking so closely might call me a "loon"

So now what I think I'm seeing is that the government can slip in a plant, who may well become their poster child for the "War on Terror" and they aren't going to get called on it because of the PRIOR disinfo about crisis actors? How convenient.

Guardian, it sounds to me like you're pretty invested the actors theory and trying a bit too hard to prove that it's not only plausible, but in fact correct. I myself was about 50/50 on the issue until I read Psyche's comments, it's now about 20/80, or even 10/90. Why? Because for her this kind of thing is much closer to an "everyday experience" to reference from for her than it is for me, as well as that that opinion can be trusted based on the demonstration of her knowledge in the field, which is generally recognized by the forum.

Analogously, consider the cloud factor in global warming; everyday experience of clouds, that they block sunlight and cool the Earth, when considered sensibly even without other evidence makes the theory of CO2 as the dominant factor controlling temperature quite ridiculous because we can SEE how much cloud covers the Earth and we KNOW the composition of CO2 in the atmosphere and that it's "greenhouse effect" is weak compared to water which covers most of the surface.

As you've said you've been reading a lot, but in my book, repeated direct experience of how blood both in and out the body behaves, along with qualified theoretical background, just simply carries vastly more weight in any hypothesis.