Boston Marathon Bombs

[mcb]

...Alternatively, maybe they simply can't go there and accept that their government would really kill their own people, even though that very same government is always accusing other governments of killing their own people, which is usually propaganda written by the U.S. and other Western governments and which Americans readily accept without question.

Yes, Americans can accept that their government would scare people and stage a bombing... but actually go through with it? No, they would never do that!

Nope, but as I pointed out somewhere in a comment on a FaceBook post, there is abundant, highly visible evidence that their government is complicit with corporations in sickening and killing vast numbers of people through systematic corruption of the food supply. And yet can be very hard to reach anyone with that ever-so-clear evidence.

If you can reach someone through that path, though, it isn't such a stretch to envision that their government might be killing people using bombs as well. It could be very difficult to see, however, if they have little or no understanding of history at a college level, and haven't done any further background study. Either way -- bombs or food -- if you haven't done the necessary preparation (there is that word again!) then you may not be able to see it, no matter how plain it is.

 

[Guardian]

That was in reference to the morass of internet pundits who have basically cornered the market on the Boston bombings. While I respect your experience, I think you're being a bit disengenous here, because I have provided evidence for my case that their sure-fire conviction is unfounded.

Well, having a sure-fire conviction of ANYTHING in this world is pretty silly.

The articles states that he had "massive blood loss". "actors" proponents have stated that there is no way that wheelchair man could have survived that long because he would have bled to death in a "matter of minutes".

Neither of us know what the article was describing as "massive blood loss" 1 pint? 2 pints? What this article does confirm is that there was a lot of blood....even when the victim was crushed instead of blown apart.

The hard evidence that it is not impossible to have massive blood loss, both legs amputated, and survive to tell the story.

I never said that, MY question is "Where's the blood?"

and say that "cut blood vessels may spasm, pull back into the injured part, and shrink. This slows or stops the bleeding."

Again, this does not address the femoral artery.

I think you're still missing my point Guardian, that the surety with which certain internet pundits proclaim that wheelchair man is definitely an actor because of A, B and C is unjustified.

I think you're still missing my point, there's a man's exposed tibia sticking in a woman's hairdo and there's no blood?

 

[Guardian]

If the bomb exploded at ground level and was designed to inflict damage outwards rather than upwards, then it seems that this guy's legs were literally blown off, including all of the skin and flesh around the bone that was left sticking out. There's plenty of blood in this image.

Yeah, on the ground, but NOT on him...which makes even less sense.

 

[Guardian]

There's plenty of blood in this image.

Even in this image where there's a lot of "blood" ...the ground directly beneath the other blown off stump is COMPLETELY clean.

 

[Guardian]

There's also another VERY good reason for the government to plant a "victim"

_http://now.msn.com/boston-marathon-bombings-jeff-bauman-wheelchair-victim-in-iconic-photo-helped-identify-attackers

"Jeff Bauman, who lost both legs in Boston attack, helped ID suspects"

So the guy who doesn't bleed immediately after both his legs are blown off was also able to "ID the suspects"

Again, how convenient.

 

[Guardian]

While we're at it, does anyone have an explanation why the black woman who was sitting up waving her hand like she's hailing a cab was taken away on a gurney, while wheelchair guy with missing legs was left on the ground unattended?

 

[Keit]

It's also interesting that the guy in the boots just walked through the "fresh blood" and left no heal print?

Personally, I think it's an assumption, because we don't know were he stepped before. He could put his leg back, instead of appearing walking forward.

 

[Guardian]

Personally, I think it's an assumption, because we don't know were he stepped before. He could put his leg back, instead of appearing walking forward.

Then there still should have been a print there in the later frames?

 

[whitecoast]

Personally, I think it's an assumption, because we don't know were he stepped before. He could put his leg back, instead of appearing walking forward.

Then there still should have been a print there in the later frames?

Is there a chance it could have coagulated quickly? I have zero experience in medical trauma, so apologies if this doesn't wash.

 

[Keit]

Of all the photos I've looked at this appears to be the most damning, and it's also been removed from the site I originally got it from, so I uploaded it to photobucket.

To the left you can clearly see wheelchair guy, with what appears to be two well healed stumps in the air and NO blood on him, the rescuer or the ground ...yet.

Maybe I am missing something, but what I see in the air (and I could be mistaken, of course) is wheelchair guy's knees. And it is still pretty consistent with his injuries, unless his right leg was blown above the knee (wasn't able to see it clearly on the pictures). By the way, femoris artery is located above the knee, in the inner thigh region, but you obviously know it far better than me. Then, in the knee region it's called popliteal artery, and under the knee it brunches into several other. If his femoris artery was really blown or punctured, then his chances to survive would be much much lower. Oh, and yeah, artery blood is red because it's richer in oxygen, and venous blood is darker.

edit: spelling

 

[Guardian]

Is there a chance it could have coagulated quickly? I have zero experience in medical trauma, so apologies if this doesn't wash.

I don't think so. I have a LOT of experience with animal blood, and I think if those people were talking in blood there should have been tracks, not to mention slip marks.

 

[QuantumLogic]

What I find interesting in the direction this thread has turned is the enormous amount of energy spent speculating a scenario that isn't even necessary. The reason I think this is simple. Which scenario is easier to execute for the desired effect- setting off a bomb to cause graphic injury and death, or "planting" injured people to make the impression of graphic injury and death? Since psychopaths do not care who or how many they kill or injure to achieve their objectives, to me it would make sense that they would use the option that required the least amount of work- which would be simply setting off bombs to injure and kill people.

After Sandy Hook and the various theories of actors being well explained as unnecessary, I am surprised to see the same theory pop up again. Perhaps I am not thinking properly, but it seems a great attempt to vector critical thinking in the wrong direction is underway across the internet concerning this event. Considering in both events that the actor theory seemed to originate from sites like ATS and GLP, one should wonder what the goal of propagating theories such as these serves.

 

[Gwenllian]

While we're at it, does anyone have an explanation why the black woman who was sitting up waving her hand like she's hailing a cab was taken away on a gurney, while wheelchair guy with missing legs was left on the ground unattended?

I am not sure whether this is the same black woman. I can't see her face very well in the other pictures where she seems to be wearing something that is white?

 

[Niall]

I woke up today and the sky was blue, but I have no way of knowing if it was really blue or if someone had painted it that colour. I'm still waiting for conclusive proof that the sky really is blue today. Until then, I remain sceptical that the sky is blue. In fact, I'm downright suspicious and will give more weight to it being a fake painted blue colour than just natural blue. So the onus is on all of you believers that the sky really is blue to show me hard evidence that proves no one was out last night or early this morning painting the sky blue.

 

[aragorn]

IMO, Kniall and Perceval were quite quick to discount this aspect of the charade, and perhaps a bit emotional in their denunciations. Okay by me, I've always put great value on their analyses and experience. But Guardian's first-hand experience and skepticism are interesting and noteworthy in connection with the photos available. No footprints, lack of blood, dude standing there as if guarding the mortally wounded... As this point I am quietly keeping the position that Wheelchair guy is incredible, and if someone were to present the actors as proof, I would only point out that the whole affair is full of contradictions which create confusion and put the mind to sleep.

Well, when you see people that you value as comrades in a battle getting sucked in to a disinformation campaign, a person might get a little worked up. Then again, you might confuse someone deliberately trying to shock another person awake as them being "emotional".

It might be a program or a problem at the "receivers end", but I find it a little bit concerning that shocks like this makes others, like e.g. Mariama, scared to post because of being afraid of being out of line.