Boston Marathon Bombs

[Keit]

Personally, I think it's an assumption, because we don't know were he stepped before. He could put his leg back, instead of appearing walking forward.

Then there still should have been a print there in the later frames?

Is there a chance it could have coagulated quickly? I have zero experience in medical trauma, so apologies if this doesn't wash.

Actually, judging by the picture, the coagulation process has already begun. Also, I think that until the blood has coagulated sufficiently, there won't be prints but smudges. And there are some clear smudges that can be seen in this picture. The one near the person's left shoe, and in front the person's right shoe. Maybe there are no more marks because the person just arrived, and no one else walked there. We can't really know.

 

[Guardian]

Maybe I am missing something, but what I see in the air (and I could be mistaken, of course) is wheelchair guy's knees.

I wondered about that too, but his right leg sure looks like it's gone above the knee in the ground photo and the "iconic" wheelchair photo.

Regardless, it still doesn't explain why there's no blood on either of them after an explosion that's supposed to have been strong enough to blow both legs off, either above, or below the knee..or both.

By the way, femoris artery is located above the knee, in the inner thigh region, but you obviously know it far better than me.

I never said that, in fact, I was getting the names for the body parts that appear to be missing, dangling and/or sticking out from a medical page.

Oh, and yeah, artery blood is red because it's richer in oxygen, and venous blood is darker.

I don't see any point in even addressing the color of the "blood" because the camera and lighting can change that?

 

[Nawd]

I woke up today and the sky was blue, but I have no way of knowing if it was really blue or if someone had painted it that colour. I'm still waiting for conclusive proof that the sky really is blue today. Until then, I remain sceptical that the sky is blue. In fact, I'm downright suspicious and will give more weight to it being a fake painted blue colour than just natural blue. So the onus is on all of you believers that the sky really is blue to show me hard evidence that proves no one was out last night or early this morning painting the sky blue.

They painted my sky gray, how do you explain that? ;)

Also the veils of heaven had holes in it last night, that showed the glory of heaven from our flat earth, so that we can be reminded of the holiness of lord god or whomever he or she is.

Thanks for the laugh. :)

 

[Guardian]

It might be a program or a problem at the "receivers end", but I find it a little bit concerning that shocks like this makes others, like e.g. Mariama, scared to post because of being afraid of being out of line.

Well, considering the response I got for pointing out that a man with his legs allegedly blown off has NO blood on the stumps...I can understand.

So far, I've been called names, made fun of, etc. ...so I'm done. No sense discussing something with people who've already made up their minds and do nothing but ridicule anything you say that contradicts what they've already decided to BELIEVE.

 

[cholas]

I'd also agree Aragorn. FWIW, I think McGowan(and Guardian et al) asked some pretty good questions. Certainly had me studying the photos and catching some video.

After seeing LOTS of each by now, it certainly seems obvious that there were plants. Could have been something as simple as cnn sending a couple in for the gore-effect. As Dave pointed out, no one seemed interested in throwing a shirt or blanket etc over some of the gore.

Some more oddities would include the sheer numbers of witnesses/injured(or lack thereof). There doesn't seem to be anyone around seconds after the smoke cleared. Maybe they cleared out very, very quickly? And the running/jumping guy in the shredded pants? The other 'shredded guy' who stands up/rips off his pants(revealing shorts?) and sits back down? The cowboy, unscathed, apparently jumping on the fence, waiving the good 'ole u s flag? The little 'adjustment' made to the amputee as he's being wheeled toward the cameras?

Probably nothing but in the photo of the hoody guy supposedly putting on the fake blown-off legs/pouring the 'blood', who is the large girl in the brown sweatshirt to his right, watching it all? She appears in many photos, generally just milling around, watching everybody. Certainly a #1 witness.

There may be many reasons to include the actor scenario but as we can observe here, dividing 'truthers' might be a good start. Tricksters......

 

[Gwenllian]

IMO, Kniall and Perceval were quite quick to discount this aspect of the charade, and perhaps a bit emotional in their denunciations. Okay by me, I've always put great value on their analyses and experience. But Guardian's first-hand experience and skepticism are interesting and noteworthy in connection with the photos available. No footprints, lack of blood, dude standing there as if guarding the mortally wounded... As this point I am quietly keeping the position that Wheelchair guy is incredible, and if someone were to present the actors as proof, I would only point out that the whole affair is full of contradictions which create confusion and put the mind to sleep.

Well, when you see people that you value as comrades in a battle getting sucked in to a disinformation campaign, a person might get a little worked up. Then again, you might confuse someone deliberately trying to shock another person awake as them being "emotional".

It might be a program or a problem at the "receivers end", but I find it a little bit concerning that shocks like this makes others, like e.g. Mariama, scared to post because of being afraid of being out of line.

This is a program of mine. And it is getting better, otherwise I wouldn't have posted my doubts about the blood. AFAICT I didn't feel shocked by Perceval's posts. Thanks Aragorn. :) Sorry, if I wasn't clear enough.
I still feel confused, though. :P

 

[Joe]

It might be a program or a problem at the "receivers end", but I find it a little bit concerning that shocks like this makes others, like e.g. Mariama, scared to post because of being afraid of being out of line.

Well, considering the response I got for pointing out that a man with his legs allegedly blown off has NO blood on the stumps...I can understand.

So far, I've been called names, made fun of, etc. ...so I'm done. No sense discussing something with people who've already made up their minds and do nothing but ridicule anything you say that contradicts what they've already decided to BELIEVE.

If you could point out where that happened that would be helpful.

 

[Joe]

IMO, Kniall and Perceval were quite quick to discount this aspect of the charade, and perhaps a bit emotional in their denunciations. Okay by me, I've always put great value on their analyses and experience. But Guardian's first-hand experience and skepticism are interesting and noteworthy in connection with the photos available. No footprints, lack of blood, dude standing there as if guarding the mortally wounded... As this point I am quietly keeping the position that Wheelchair guy is incredible, and if someone were to present the actors as proof, I would only point out that the whole affair is full of contradictions which create confusion and put the mind to sleep.

Well, when you see people that you value as comrades in a battle getting sucked in to a disinformation campaign, a person might get a little worked up. Then again, you might confuse someone deliberately trying to shock another person awake as them being "emotional".

It might be a program or a problem at the "receivers end", but I find it a little bit concerning that shocks like this makes others, like e.g. Mariama, scared to post because of being afraid of being out of line.

This is a program of mine. And it is getting better, otherwise I wouldn't have posted my doubts about the blood. AFAICT I didn't feel shocked by Perceval's posts. Thanks Aragorn. :) Sorry, if I wasn't clear enough.
I still feel confused, though. :P

Thanks Mariama, that's what I understood from what you wrote. Aragorn, it would be helpful if you wouldn't jump to conclusions like this and add to the confusion.

 

[Cosmos]

It might be a program or a problem at the "receivers end", but I find it a little bit concerning that shocks like this makes others, like e.g. Mariama, scared to post because of being afraid of being out of line.

Well, considering the response I got for pointing out that a man with his legs allegedly blown off has NO blood on the stumps...I can understand.

So far, I've been called names, made fun of, etc. ...so I'm done. No sense discussing something with people who've already made up their minds and do nothing but ridicule anything you say that contradicts what they've already decided to BELIEVE.

Well I don't know if you might misunderstand the actual underlining reason for all of this?

I don't think that either Kniall or Joe have already made up their minds about it, at least not in the way you might think.

I think what it comes down to is that it doesn't really matter if there were actors on the scene or not, because it is most likely a planted cointelpro horse to distract people of the alternative community and paint them as crazy people.

Let me repeat what I think Kniall, Joe and myself think is the real goal of all that "actor" business.

I'm inclined to say that that whole actor thing (If real or not, doesn't really matter) is a conscious effort by the PTB to muddy the waters and direct people away from really important evidence. Cointelpro in action IMO.

The very fact that so many of the alternative community spring on that planted horse, in this and other recent events, is proof IMO that the PTB have succeeded to implant exactly what they wanted.

Let's face it, if people concentrate on that, IMO planted actor theme, they are successfully directed into the realm of "totally crazy conspiracy theorists and theories". And how successful can such kind of directed research into "crazy land" be, to awake as much of the sleeping public as possible?

I think the PTB know exactly that when they convert most of the attention of the alternative community into such "totally crazy conspiracy theories" like "actors", that it is unlikely that many people of the sleeping public will wake up to the fact that it was indeed some sort of false flag operation.

Note that that doesn't mean that there were no actors on the scene, nor does it mean that Kniall or Joe already made up their minds about it, at least not in the way you seem to think. IMO it could very well be that there were indeed some actors there, but I also think that if that is true, that it was most likely a deliberate cointelpro attempt of the PTB to archive exactly what we can witness here, and in the alternative community right now.

 

[Keit]

Well, considering the response I got for pointing out that a man with his legs allegedly blown off has NO blood on the stumps...I can understand.

So far, I've been called names, made fun of, etc. ...so I'm done. No sense discussing something with people who've already made up their minds and do nothing but ridicule anything you say that contradicts what they've already decided to BELIEVE.

Hmm...if there is anything I am sure of, is that no one here makes fun of you. You are very respected here, including by me. As for making one's mind, don't see something like this happening here as well. That's the point, that we learn how to read reality and events in this reality in the most clearer way available to us at the moment, but we obviously could be missing something, and if some new fact will become known to us, we may change our view of the situation. The point is, that at the moment, concentrating on the theory that all of this is staged and performed by actors is a distraction that plays into the hands of PTB. Maybe there were planted people, like there were planted people on 9/11, but this fact doesn't negate other facts that people were seriously injured for real.

As for the lack of blood on stumps, one would think that if one worked out such a brilliant performance, one wouldn't forget to sprinkle some blood on one's legs. It is in no way a criticism of you, dear Guardian, just an observation that there could be a major distraction going on.

edit: grammar

 

[Nawd]

It might be a program or a problem at the "receivers end", but I find it a little bit concerning that shocks like this makes others, like e.g. Mariama, scared to post because of being afraid of being out of line.

Well, considering the response I got for pointing out that a man with his legs allegedly blown off has NO blood on the stumps...I can understand.

So far, I've been called names, made fun of, etc. ...so I'm done. No sense discussing something with people who've already made up their minds and do nothing but ridicule anything you say that contradicts what they've already decided to BELIEVE.

This has been the strangest thread I've seen in years. We used to be able to talk rather freely about different theories, and not be called a loon or wishing that any alternative theorist would be 'locked up.' I have personally not even checked out alternative websites about Boston, I like to see how facts or fiction evolve here, because everyone jumps in, has an objective view....and that's the beauty of this forum. I'm however not sure what happened. Being perhaps an emotional response from many people, degraded this thread.

To speak of fear that someone is going to say the 'wrong thing' is interesting. I was pretty sure we went way past that after PepperFritz died and she said a few interesting things under her own first profile. After that we took the view to take almost everyone rather serious, unless they truly seemed off of their rocker. :D

No SOTT does not want to be linked in to all of the crappy websites that really are full of crap. But that is why we are suppose to be researchers. We make sure that particular websites are deactivated so it is unsearchable into this website. I feel that everyone's opinions/thoughts and research, should be valued and evaluated, without ridicule within reason.

I appreciate any and all research regarding this matter, and any other.

Thanks Guardian, you know you are one of my favorite posters, and I will never forget your attempt to help me through the entire oil spill/relocation in Alabama. ((((HUGS Sister!)))

 

[anart]

Well, I just caught up on this thread and I think it's important to discuss confusing topics and I also think that the photos from that scene are quite confusing. The first shot I saw that day of the guy in the wheelchair, I thought, "why in god's name is he sitting up, he'll bleed out, why is he not on a stretcher like people with less serious injuries" - it made no sense to me - something about the whole thing was very off. I had the same impression of the guy in the cowboy hat - something was very off - it seemed stage-managed to me. We KNOW these things are stage managed, just like the guy who described the "pancake theory" after the towers fell on 9-11 who was supposed to just be a 'guy on the street' but was actually planted to steer thoughts on the matter. We know 'they' do this - and have it set up in advance to steer things how they want them to go. We've learned that much. Now, I'm not saying that everyone involved or in these photos are actors and I do agree that the entire actor idea is perfect to paint conspiracy theorists as nutcases and, thus, shut down genuine inquiry.

Maybe that's the point? I don't know. I don't know the answer and I do think that guy when he's lying on his back looks like he has stumps and not knees - BUT - I don't know enough about any of this type of thing to know for sure. I don't like the 'actor theories' - I think they smell to high heaven because of that very "nutcase" effect - but - something does seem very off with the entire scene. I just don't know exactly what it is. I think very valid questions have been brought up on all sides of this discussion and if we don't discuss things like this we can't really figure them out, so I, for one, think it's important to do so. fwiw.

 

[Laura]

I think it's possible for everything to be real about the bombing AND an actor or two who arrived with "veiled" (covered up with pants) fake bones protruding to be unveiled at the right moment so he could be the poster boy and ID people, AND some fake blood used by him or his accomplices AND photoshopping. The point of all that would be to introduce mass confusion and dissent amongst witnesses and analysts which is exactly what we see here.

First rule of intell: observe the situation, assume that it was planned that way. Then, figure out how.

I would say that the folks saying it was ALL actors and ALL staged are set up to do that by noticing that SOME of it has to be actors and staged. That serves a couple of agendas: 1) makes their whole schtick less credible if evidence is provided that some part of their claim is wrong; 2) generally makes them less credible to the masses who still can't believe that 9-11 was an inside job, though that group is shrinking.

On the other hand, saying there are no actors, nothing staged, in the face of many of the observations AND the logic of why it would be useful in this situation, is not very helpful either. Some of those photos of injuries raise the same kinds of questions that the twin towers raised on 9-11 - violation of laws of physics. Sure, we can stretch things and come up with reasons why the blood would stop, why it wasn't everywhere, why it was so red, why it seems to have stayed red beyond the time when ordinary blood would have started turning dark, but all of them together???

So, I'm saying, the whole situation - just as Sandy Hook - is strongly suggestive of at least a couple (or more) ACTORS who played their parts in stunning, visible ways, so as to be available for emotional hooking/poster boy type stuff just as there were compromised witnesses to 9-11 who were widely and visibly interviewed or quoted. In that situation, most of them turned out to have gov backgrounds and the 9-11 truthers were quick to find it out. So in this scenario, they probably found a way to get actors/witnesses who had been sheep-dipped more effectively.

 

[dant]

@ Laura: Well said!

 

[Voyageur]

I think it's possible for everything to be real about the bombing AND an actor or two who arrived with "veiled" (covered up with pants) fake bones protruding to be unveiled at the right moment so he could be the poster boy and ID people, AND some fake blood used by him or his accomplices AND photoshopping. The point of all that would be to introduce mass confusion and dissent amongst witnesses and analysts which is exactly what we see here.

First rule of intell: observe the situation, assume that it was planned that way. Then, figure out how.

I would say that the folks saying it was ALL actors and ALL staged are set up to do that by noticing that SOME of it has to be actors and staged. That serves a couple of agendas: 1) makes their whole schtick less credible if evidence is provided that some part of their claim is wrong; 2) generally makes them less credible to the masses who still can't believe that 9-11 was an inside job, though that group is shrinking.

On the other hand, saying there are no actors, nothing staged, in the face of many of the observations AND the logic of why it would be useful in this situation, is not very helpful either. Some of those photos of injuries raise the same kinds of questions that the twin towers raised on 9-11 - violation of laws of physics. Sure, we can stretch things and come up with reasons why the blood would stop, why it wasn't everywhere, why it was so red, why it seems to have stayed red beyond the time when ordinary blood would have started turning dark, but all of them together???

So, I'm saying, the whole situation - just as Sandy Hook - is strongly suggestive of at least a couple (or more) ACTORS who played their parts in stunning, visible ways, so as to be available for emotional hooking/poster boy type stuff just as there were compromised witnesses to 9-11 who were widely and visibly interviewed or quoted. In that situation, most of them turned out to have gov backgrounds and the 9-11 truthers were quick to find it out. So in this scenario, they probably found a way to get actors/witnesses who had been sheep-dipped more effectively.

Have to agree with what you have said and something that anart said caught my attention:

The first shot I saw that day of the guy in the wheelchair, I thought, "why in god's name is he sitting up, he'll bleed out, why is he not on a stretcher like people with less serious injuries" - it made no sense to me - something about the whole thing was very off. I had the same impression of the guy in the cowboy hat - something was very off - it seemed stage-managed to me.

Fwiw, after being around a number of trauma incidents over some years, the wheelchair conveyance seemed slightly off, this is never done by trained EM crews as a drilled in treatment methodology. In the case of this man, the trauma is such that dictates would require immediate measures to treat shock, blood loss and keeping the patient supine being critical. Why the wheelchair when trauma management would make him the first patient into a stretcher (not a wheelchair) and if not available, they would cover him and wait. If this was because of the frantic scene, the availability of wheelchairs and lack of stretchers, the distance to ambulances, perhaps these are valid reasons. However, it is not usual and there is an aspect of dramatic effect shown with him (wounds open) being rushed on wheels, stubs in the air down the street - psychologically it has affects to a nation watching, yet it may be the way it just was.

The acting scenario does seem fantastical and would be hard to contain with all the eyes and cameras out there. Why do this at all? Yet if the explosion effects could not be predicted and a dramatic image was required, then there is precedence in other world events for staged affects, which i am not say this was, just looking at the possibilities and probabilities until other evidence concludes, if ever even possible.