'Brexit' wins, UK to leave the EU?

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Store this (attached) in your temp memory files for December 13th, the day after the upcoming UK general election.

Other than a few dismissive mentions of Farage's Brexit Party, the UK media is busy waging the usual tribal war: the 'right-wing' media supporting the 'blue' (Conservative) tribe is attacking Corbyn, while the 'left-wing' media is supporting the 'red' (Labour) tribe by pretending that Boris Johnson's 'Brexit' is 'the real deal'.

Meanwhile the Brexit Party has called bluff on this false choice and has launched a full campaign to challenge 600 seats across the UK. I reckon the Establishment is in for a nasty surprise...

 

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Annnnd.... he's gone!

I spoke too soon. Farage is 'surrendering to the deep state'.

There is a strong hint that they've been working on him in the revelation that he last week 'turned down' an offer to become a 'peer' in the House of Lords. Today Farage announced that - after hearing BoJo 'promise' yesterday that he 'really means Brexit' (LOL!) - he's changed his mind: the Brexit Party won't contest Tory seats won in the last election in 2017. This means that, between his party and the Tories, they'll win enough seats in December to 'keep Corbyn out'. Farage isn't himself running for a seat, so - barring a miracle to the effect that most English voters now want to remain in the EU and would therefore vote Labour - BoJo will be PM for the next 5 years.

That's the last nail in Brexit (actually happening), and it 'defends the realm from national security threat Corbyn'.

What a let-down. I was looking forward to seeing the UK establishment squirm. Now the election's just another meaningless Western election between false choices.

Oh well, BoJo's antics should provide some fun.
 
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Annnnd.... he's gone!

I spoke too soon. Farage is 'surrendering to the deep state'.

There is a strong hint that they've been working on him in the revelation that he last week 'turned down' an offer to become a 'peer' in the House of Lords. Today Farage announced that - after hearing BoJo 'promise' yesterday that he 'really means Brexit' (LOL!) - he's changed his mind: the Brexit Party won't contest Tory seats won in the last election in 2017. This means that, between his party and the Tories, they'll win enough seats in December to 'keep Corbyn out'. Farage isn't himself running for a seat, so - barring a miracle to the effect that most English voters now want to remain in the EU and would therefore vote Labour - BoJo will be PM for the next 5 years.

That's the last nail in Brexit (actually happening), and it 'defends the realm from national security threat Corbyn'.

What a let-down. I was looking forward to seeing the UK establishment squirm. Now the election's just another meaningless Western election between false choices.

Oh well, BoJo's antics should provide some fun.

You beat me to this post.

Just seen the latest revelations from the BBC.

The most interesting thing is reading people's comments on there. A lot of people have cordoned onto the fact that Farage has been swayed by vested interests and is no longer acting independently. He has proven himself part of the swamp... the so-called swamp that he built his base supposedly fighting against. In true turncoat fashion, his true colours are now exposed.

If anything, I hope this strengthens Labours position - hopefully not too many people will be blind to the chess moves being played here. Conservatives and the 'Brexit' party essentially teaming up against the Labour party. 2 vs 1... an unfair fight if there ever was one.

What this country needs, first and foremost are honest politicians with a backbone and integrity to boot. Instead, what we have are charlatans masquerading as men of integrity when in fact they are the furthest thing from that. True old blood, elite through and through, Etonians, Oxford educated snakes in suit who probably fly in jets every now and again to secluded islands to do unspeakable things.

I for one I know who I will cast my vote for... the closest thing to a real politician going - Jeremy Corbyn i.e. the Labour party.
 

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What this country needs, first and foremost are honest politicians with a backbone and integrity to boot. Instead, what we have are charlatans masquerading as men of integrity when in fact they are the furthest thing from that. True old blood, elite through and through, Etonians, Oxford educated snakes in suit who probably fly in jets every now and again to secluded islands to do unspeakable things.

I for one I know who I will cast my vote for... the closest thing to a real politician going - Jeremy Corbyn i.e. the Labour party.

Given my record at predicting elections and referenda (!) I had better leave it open that there could be a surprise victory for Corbyn. If I had skin in the game, I'd now vote for Labour just to throw a proverbial molotov cocktail at Whitehall and whoever stitched this up. A vote for Corbyn is now the only available protest vote.

Sure, he's pro-Remain, but the UK's staying in the EU anyway.
 

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The only politician in this country who can 'rock the boat' is Jeremy.

In the grand scheme of things, Brexit is but a tiny blip in history.... whether it happens or doesn't, it doesn't really matter. What matters is if there is anyone out there who can reveal the rot that lies underneath the veneer of civility and democracy that we live in. Will Farage's party end wars of empire? Will Farage's party do anything of any real meaning other than 'supposedly' deliver Brexit?

Jeremy on the other hand will unleash such vitriol from the ruling elites that their nature shall be revealed for all to see. They will truly be in uproar and will use every single tool at their disposal to get 'rid' of him. I have never come across a man so hated by the so-called ruling elites... the hate runs deep and perhaps for good reason - they probably can sense that he is not one of them.

How this man has the strength to stand up against such negativity and not whither away is beyond me. At least with Trump, his ego is big enough that it shields him from anything untoward.
 

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Living in North Yorkshire Yorkshire which is a true blue piece of Tory real estate it's not surprising to see and hear negativety directed at labour. Honestly I can say in all the years I remember going back 32 years. I've never seen so much hatred directed towards an opposition leader as Corbyn. He is truly despised even if people aren't really interested in politics. People really do believe what the press say about him.
 

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Jeremy on the other hand will unleash such vitriol from the ruling elites that their nature shall be revealed for all to see. They will truly be in uproar and will use every single tool at their disposal to get 'rid' of him. I have never come across a man so hated by the so-called ruling elites... the hate runs deep and perhaps for good reason - they probably can sense that he is not one of them.

How this man has the strength to stand up against such negativity and not whither away is beyond me. At least with Trump, his ego is big enough that it shields him from anything untoward.

Well said. That's why I've always likened him to the UK's 'Trump'. Superficially, they couldn't be further apart, but the 'unseen' similarity is that they're both catalysts for 'the great unveiling'.

And, don't forget, he once voted to bring on the comets :cool2:

 

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The only politician in this country who can 'rock the boat' is Jeremy.

In the grand scheme of things, Brexit is but a tiny blip in history.... whether it happens or doesn't, it doesn't really matter. What matters is if there is anyone out there who can reveal the rot that lies underneath the veneer of civility and democracy that we live in. Will Farage's party end wars of empire? Will Farage's party do anything of any real meaning other than 'supposedly' deliver Brexit?

Jeremy on the other hand will unleash such vitriol from the ruling elites that their nature shall be revealed for all to see. They will truly be in uproar and will use every single tool at their disposal to get 'rid' of him. I have never come across a man so hated by the so-called ruling elites... the hate runs deep and perhaps for good reason - they probably can sense that he is not one of them.

Brexit is but a tiny blip in history and so is the EU.

In view of the grand scheme of things, we may just puzzle whether the EU will finally succumb to fire or ice.
Even if the whole event is just going to be a Brexit-in-name-only, the narcissistic wound of the "New Holy Roman Empire" being put into question will leave scars and uncertainty.

Who would have thought that an important member of their club would call it quits (albeit in name only)?

Wasn't the achievement of this "Grand Union" of Europe meant to be the "end of history"?

I'm only beginning to understand that it is not about supporting "Brexit" or "Remain".
Surely I was disgusted that Corbyn, who comes across as an authentic and honorable character, was doing the elites' bidding by supporting Remain but probably not more than Boris "the clown".

Will Farage's party do anything of any real meaning other than 'supposedly' deliver Brexit?


No. I actually think that Farage, whom I admire as a magnificent orator has understood that his party will not win much seats anyway - probably none at all. His only message is Brexit - otherwise he's a conservative.
Now that "Brexit" is seemingly coming to a conclusion he is not that important anymore.


[..]At least with Trump, his ego is big enough that it shields him from anything untoward.
:lol2:
 

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Well said. That's why I've always likened him to the UK's 'Trump'. Superficially, they couldn't be further apart, but the 'unseen' similarity is that they're both catalysts for 'the great unveiling'.

The political class knows he's not one of them, so the very first thing they're preparing to do - in the unlikely eventuality he wins - is to do the exact same 'very first thing' they did to Trump: wall him off from certain 'sensitive' areas of govt intel:


If that Australian diplomat is openly muttering about it, you can be sure they're all on stand-by across the 'Five Eyes Realm'.

Then they'd probably release that report they've already teased the UK public with about 'possible Russian interference in this election', thus following the Russiagate playbook they used against Trump.
 

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Interesting discussion. I'm voting for Brexit Party regardless, unless they've been stood down for my area. Pembrokeshire is traditionally a safe Tory seat however, so I think I may be wasting my vote. Today on sky News Farage has said that the Tories are trying to bribe his candidates with promises of jobs, his endeavour to seek co-operation with Johnson is destined to fail. He should have stuck to his guns and gone for it, as he initially declared he would. The Brexit party should keep the Tories honest, as was their mandate, as unlikely as that seems now. It's all futile though, isn't it? I have no faith in any of them.
 

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The exit polls from the election point to a resounding Tory triumph, and Labour are licking their wounds, as the pro Brexit chickens have come home to roost. It looks like my MP will be Stephen Crabb (who was embroiled in a sexting scandal a few years ago), ho hum.

British politics really is a strange show these days, and a pretty sorry one too. Expect Corbyn to stand down tomorrow.
 

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The UK Tories have secured an absolute majority of seats in the country's 650-member parliament, paving the way for a smooth Brexit, and the vote count continues.
UK Prime Minister Boris Johnson addresses the nation during a rally in London after winning the 2019 general election.
With votes in 643 out of 650 constituencies counted, the Conservative Party has gained 359 seats in the House of Commons, while the Labour Party gained only 203 seats.

While UK PM Boris Johnson has scored a major win, the other big story of the UK election is the “overwhelming triumph” of the pro-independence SNP, said former Scottish First Minister Alex Salmond.
The host of The Alex Salmond Show on RT said that the election results were a “two-edged sword” for Scotland, because the SNP drove what he called a “wipe out year” for Johnson’s party despite the Tories’ overall Westminster win.
You’ve got the irresistible force of Scottish independence meeting the immovable object of Boris Johnson and his parliamentary majority.

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https://twitter.com/NicolaSturgeon/status/1205249641350127617

Exit poll suggests good night for @theSNP - but it is just an exit poll and there are many marginals, so let’s just wait and see. What it indicates UK wide though is grim. #GE19





The fact that Johnson has been so adamant that he would say ‘no’ to permitting a second independence referendum may have contributed to the Tories inability to gain ground there, Salmond said.
‘Years of negotiations’ on trade
Johnson’s “get Brexit done” mantra might’ve resonated with voters, but that it is ultimately a “meaningless” slogan, Salmond said, adding that he expects Britons can look forward to long and arduous trade negotiations with the EU.

Salmond described Johnson’s predicted clean sweep as a “triumph the extent of which hasn't been seen since Margaret Thatcher” and said that in parliamentary terms the Tory leader now has a loyal majority “who will back him to the hilt.”

That doesn’t mean things will be as simple as Johnson has made out, however. Just because Boris enjoys a healthy majority in the House of Commons does not mean that the European Commission and European Union will bow to whatever he wants on trade. There will come a moment over the next year, Salmond said, when the Conservatives will figure out that their ambitions won’t always be matched by reality.
“[The Tories] will find that a majority in the House of Commons does not change the laws of gravity,” Salmond said.
Nobody else in the world is going to be swayed by the parliamentary opinion of the Conservative Party.
Trade deals take time and the one with the EU “will take a great deal longer than Boris Johnson has been claiming,”Salmond pointed out, adding that the overwhelming likelihood is that Britain can look forward to “years of negotiations.”

Russia will still be ‘convenient’ bogeyman
As for foreign policy, Salmond said he would not anticipate any major change where Russia is concerned, because all UK parties typically see Moscow as a “convenient whipping boy.” There is also media pressure to continue to be anti-Russia.
To be opposed to Russia is to be on the right side of the UK media.
Having such a comfortable parliamentary majority might “open up room” for Johnson to pursue friendlier relations with Moscow. It is more likely, Salmond believes, that the relationship will remain “as tense and as difficult as it has been in recent years.”

Trade deals with Trump?
The victorious PM would be “emboldened” to seek a big trade deal with the US, particularly given that the trade deal with Europe is going to be more difficult than he has admitted. To try to secure a trade deal with Washington will now look like a “very attractive option” for Johnson, Salmond believes.
The problem here will be that Trump is facing impeachment proceedings and that a hostile Congress can still block any trade deals the president makes. Johnson will also need to be wary that anything which suggests that the National Health Service (NHS) would be vulnerable to US private influence is “anathema to voters” — and not just those who voted for Labour and other opposition parties.
“It’s also pretty difficult to swallow for people who backed Brexit and backed Boris Johnson,” he said.

Trade ties between the US and UK will now thrive after the Tories secured a landslide victory, Donald Trump tweeted as he commended Boris Johnson for the second time after a dramatic post-election Friday night.
Trump praised Johnson’s remarkable victory in a tweet published this morning, shortly after it emerged that the Conservatives gained a majority of seats in Parliament, leaving their Labour contenders far behind.
The US president went straight to business after offering formal congratulations on the Tories’ “great win.”
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1205368801438707713

The victory gives Conservatives a mandate to get Brexit done, as Johnson put it, and take the UK out of the EU in January. Once Brexit is delivered, London can begin negotiating a separate trade agreement with the US, which Trump was referring to.
Trump sounded enthusiastic about this outcome earlier in the year, saying trade between the two countries “could be four to five times higher” than trade between the UK and the rest of Europe.
 

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It's interesting watching people's reactions to this election result. Depending on who you are, it means very different things!

The American Right is generally thinking:

'Hey, this is what we did! We too defeated the socialism/communism of the Globalist Elite in favor of national sovereignty!'

They have no clue that Johnson runs in the same circles as Mifsud, Steele and Deep State Never-Trumpers generally, and went to THE elite school where pupils are taught that they're born to rule the EARTH. He was elected mayor of London twice because he's a 'centrist' liberal Tory. In June he took time off from an intense battle for leadership of the 'Conservative' Party to write an op-ed in the Telegraph 'in defense of liberalism' against fairly innocuous comments by Putin in his FT interview regarding the end of liberalism's hegemony. Just a few weeks ago Johnson lauded Thatcher for effectively launching the Global Warming agenda. So this is a 'win' for LIBERALISM and GLOBALISM, not national sovereignty and the conservative/right.

You have to hand it to the British Establishment. They were caught out by the referendum result, but they recovered quickly in July 2016 when they began a campaign to retake parliamentary control of 'Brexit', and thus British internal politics. Through yet another "astounding exploit of choral dissimulation," (to borrow a wonderful turn of phrase by Guido Preparata in Conjuring Hitler) they have just killed two birds with one stone: they have neutralised the risk of genuine UK-wide national sovereignty emerging through Corbyn's Labour ('Left populism'), and they have neutralised the risk of genuine UK-wide national sovereignty emerging through Farage's UKIP/Brexit Party ('Right populism').

The catch, however, is that intra-UK nationalist tensions are stronger than ever. For the first time, Irish Nationalists have won a majority in Northern Ireland, while the result in Scotland means there will be a strong push for a second independence referendum. If Johnson really 'gets Brexit done', he will go down as the PM who 'broke the Union'... the UK Union! So he won't 'get Brexit anything', and all everyone else will get is 5 years of same-old, same-old normal Tory rule.
 
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