BRICS: Laying the Foundations of the Next Empire?

It seems as if there is a good prospect for Argentina in the future, but as the country is soon to elect a new president (some candidates like Milei have decided to "cut ties" with the BRICS) it seems like this whole opportunity could go to waste if right leader to take this forward does not reach office. Hopefully not!
 
And with winter right around the corner, Europe's economy in the gutter because of their suicidal sanctions, this will make an impact.

Lula just said this today:

Brazilian President Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva assured Tuesday that the expansion of the BRICS group to six new countries will change the balance of power in the world.

"The BRICS became a more powerful, stronger, more important thing. I believe that the world will not be the same after the enlargement of BRICS, in global economic discussions."

I tend to agree, things have already changed and once can see the futile resistance that the west is posing this change. Hopefully Argentina will see the way the wind is blowing and correct course, otherwise, it is deciding to remain aligned with a declining power structure.
 
'EU will try to topple BRICS through inviting African Union to become permanent member to G20.'

5 Sep, 2023

Don't know how that will work. Russia and China are still apparently members of the G20 -along with India and Brazil - so that's four of the original BRICS nations. The article mentions that Russia and China are not attending the event and that doesn't mean that they are cancelling membership. So even if the African Union signs up to G20, maybe that doesn't prevent individual African countries from joining BRICS.
 
Don't know how that will work. Russia and China are still apparently members of the G20 -along with India and Brazil - so that's four of the original BRICS nations. The article mentions that Russia and China are not attending the event and that doesn't mean that they are cancelling membership. So even if the African Union signs up to G20, maybe that doesn't prevent individual African countries from joining BRICS.
Yeah, I kind of see it the same way, a last ditch effort to try to recuperate some of the lost terrain in Africa, they just did the same thing with South America and their summit. The interesting thing is that African countries could simply be like "ok yeah, sure we'll take the membership card.." and change nothing else in their geopolitical outlook.

Given Africa's recent sentiment over European presence in their continent, a membership offering is highly unlikely to make a difference.
 
'EU will try to topple BRICS through inviting African Union to become permanent member to G20.'

5 Sep, 2023
The reasons for Putin and Xi skipping G-20 in India are interesting and kick started some interesting dynamics.
  • As a part of G-20, Modi wants to show case Indian administered Kashmir with delegates trip. Pakistan's reaction is expected and it called it "disputed". China's Xi also decided skip it and called it "disputed".
  • China went ahead with publishing of its new map called "standard map". This included Indian state Arunachal Pradesh (had been part of India since British Raj days) as its territory. It also included area Aksai Chin that it occupied in 1962 War with India. India's protest is met with "calm down" response. This map also included maritime areas other south china sea countries claimed.
  • As per some reports, Chinese new "standard" map included Russian Manchuria too. Putin called Modi and informed his decision to skip G-20. For few days, Russia was silent about the map and clarified its position as a resolved issue.
Zakharova was addressing stories that appeared in several media outlets, in Russia as well as in the West, claiming that the new 2023 map of China, released earlier this week, “annexed” the Russian portion of Bolshoi Ussuriysky, an island in the Amur River just west of the regional capital of Khabarovsk.

The two countries “have repeatedly confirmed the absence of mutual territorial claims,” including in the 2001 Treaty on Good Neighborliness, Friendship and Cooperation, the basis for their bilateral relations, the foreign ministry spokeswoman said.

“Resolution of the issue of the border line between Russia and China was the result of many years of efforts by both sides,” Zakharova added, calling it “a successful example of resolving border disputes for all countries of the world.”

According to the 2008 demarcation, Russia kept about two thirds of the Bolshoi Ussuriysky island, while the westernmost third was ceded to China. That part of the island is now known as Heixiazi, and belongs to the Heilongjiang province.

Some outlets, including Newsweek, have speculated that the map was proof of discord between Russia and China, pointing to the lack of official statements in Moscow about its publication. Several other governments have complained about China’s map, including Malaysia, the Philippines and India.
Russia is not completely with China either.
With this, Russia has become the sixth country to back India over the China map row, after Indonesia, Vietnam, Taiwan, Malaysia and the Philippines. China often claims Arunachal Pradesh as its own and calls it South Tibet, while it has illegally occupied Aksai Chin during the 1962 Sino-Indian war.
Meanwhile, there are rumors that India is going to publish its new map as a response. I haven't seen it yet. It is a interesting publicity before G-20. There are some challenges in finalizing common official G-20 conclusion statement due to Ukraine war. All this might have contributed for Putin skipping it too. C's comment on BRICS:
16-august-2014
Q: (Puck) So we have a question about BRICS. Do the BRICS leaders have a genuine interest in improving the collective future for humanity?

A: Partly, but as with everything in your realm, there are mixed motives and cross purposes.
 
The comments are related to this year's G20 meeting held in New Delhi. so I will put it in this thread. This related to toning down language on Ukraine situation. West has climbed down to accept it and still argues declaration representation of their position (for their public consumption).

There was considerable doubt whether the world leaders in the Group of 20 meetingwould be able to reach an agreement during the G20 Summit being held in New Delhi under India’s presidency. The Ukraine war was the major divisive issue. The fact that on Day 1 of the G20 Summit, the New Delhi Declaration was adopted with "100 per cent consensus on all developmental and geo-politcal issues" is testimony to India’s leadership.

There appears to be a remarkable toning down in the language used for the Russia-Ukraine war in the declaration endorsed by the G20 world leaders. From condemnation of war in Ukraine in the G20 Bali Declaration to the call for “just, durable” peace in Ukraine in Delhi Declaration, the language of the bloc’s statement seems to reflect the softening of the group's position.

A comparison of the G20 declarations adopted in Bali in 2022 and in New Delhi in 2023 paints a clearer picture.

G20 DELHI DECLARATION​

The G20 negotiators have been working tirelessly to arrive at an agreement on the Ukraine issue. The West has time and again called for unanimous condemnation of Russia and President Vladimir Putin over causing deaths and destruction in its neighbouring nation. They have also urged India to denounce Russian aggression and take a tougher stance over the war in Ukraine.

It was amid these conflicts that the G20 leaders converged at the national capital for a two-day G20 Summit and adopted the Delhi Declaration on Day 1.

The New Delhi Declaration said that the “use or threat of use of nuclear weapons is inadmissible.”


“In line with the UN Charter, all states must refrain from the threat or use of force to seek territorial acquisition against the territorial integrity and sovereignty or political independence of any state,” the Delhi Declaration said on war in Ukraine.

The resolution noted the impact of the war in Ukraine with regard to global food and energy security, supply chains, macro-financial stability, inflation and growth. The issues have adversely impacted the developing and least developed nations.

The declaration adopted under India’s presidency called for “all states to uphold the principles of international law including territorial integrity and sovereignty, international humanitarian law, and the multilateral system that safeguards peace and stability.”

It supported a “comprehensive, just, and durable peace” in Ukraine and advocated conflict resolution through diplomacy and dialogue.

The Delhi Declaration emphasised that"Today's era must not be of war".

With this, it appears that the G20 delegates had reached a compromise on the language of Russia's invasion of Ukraine.

G20 BALI DECLARATION​


The G20 leaders met for the annual summit at Bali, Indonesia, in November 2022.

The bloc, which had met over eight months after war broke out in Ukraine, in a statement said it "deplores in the strongest terms the aggression by the Russian Federation against Ukraine" and demanded Moscow's "complete and unconditional withdrawal" from Kyiv.

Notably, the Bali statement mentioned that “most members” had strongly condemned the war in Ukraine and acknowledged that there were “other views and different assessments of the situation and sanctions.”

“Many members agreed that the recovery of the global economy has slowed and is facing a major setback as a result of Russiaôs war against Ukraine, which was strongly condemned, and called for an end to the war. One member expressed the view that the sanctions are adding to existing challenges,” the statement had mentioned.

WHAT HAS CHANGED SINCE BALI DECLARATION?​

The Delhi Declaration is being seen as climbed down by the West, which has previously called for strong condemnation of Russia over the war in Ukraine.

External Affairs Minister S Jaishankar said the situation was different a year ago and the New Delhi Declaration “responds to the situation and concerns as it is today”.

"With regard to the comparison with the Bali Declaration, I would only say Bali was Bali and New Delhi is New Delhi. I mean, Bali was a year ago. The situation was different. Many things have happened since then. If you see in geo-political segment of the leader's declaration, there are, in totality eight paragraphs, seven of which actually focus on the Ukraine issue,” EAM S Jaishankar said.


He added, “I think the New Delhi Declaration responds to the situation and concerns as it is today, just as the Bali Declaration did in a situation which was there."

EAM S Jaishankar said Russia’s ally China was supportive of the outcome. "Differing viewpoints and interests were at play, but we were able to find common ground on all issues," Jaishankar said.

India's G20 sherpa Amitabh Kantsaid the host nation worked "very closely" with Brazil, South Africa and Indonesia to reach a consensus on the language on the war in Ukraine in the summit document.

In an interview with India Today, Amitabh Kant said, "It's been very difficult but we managed to get everyone around and it demonstrates India's great leadership in bringing the developed world together...to arrive at consensus on 83 different paras, including the 8 paras on geo-political crisis.”

“The Russia-Ukraine crisis was a real challenge because Bali paras had failed (as no agreement was reached on a joint communique). We have been struggling for the last month. The PM's direction was very clear- This has to be a consensus, we do not want a footnote, we do not want a chair summary. It had to be 100 per cent consensus,” Amitabh Kant said.

He said that with the consensus reached on Delhi Declaration, something “truly unique” has been achieved. "It is the voice of emerging markets speaking out," Amitabh Kant said.

Meanwhile, German Chancellor Olaf Scholz said the Delhi Declaration demonstrated a clear position on Russia's invasion of Ukraine by saying that the territorial integrity of countries cannot be called into question with violence.

“It is important that words were found to make clear that the territorial integrity of a state like Ukraine cannot be called into question with violence," Scholz was quoted as saying by Reuters.
 
The comments are related to this year's G20 meeting held in New Delhi. so I will put it in this thread. This related to toning down language on Ukraine situation. West has climbed down to accept it and still argues declaration representation of their position (for their public consumption).

Seek10,
What was missed on the sidelines.
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Either way, Russia, unfortunately, was on the outskirts in China’s project. New India-USA one also leaves us outboard...
So basically, imo, BRICS had never had solid collinear foundation, as the Cs quite some time ago already confirmed...💁‍♂️
 
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Either way, Russia, unfortunately, was on the outskirts in China’s project. New India-USA one also leaves us outboard...
So basically, imo, BRICS had never had solid collinear foundation, as the Cs quite some time ago already confirmed...💁‍♂️
The concept of binary - you are with me or against me is very difficult to implement in countries of billion people. First thing is people has to feed themselves and their families and there will be inevitable competition. Human beings are never uniform (( As G calls it 1000 'I's)) or same as Science wants to categorize into ism's. The societies that organizes it self through politicians who that play with 'I' s to be leaders etc. muddy the waters.

The binary concept that is evident in the West is the result of technology based control ( by the "Empire") that was established for century or so. We know the result of it. At best, what we can hope is some fairness in live and let live and free will.
 
Every country is following it’s aim tactically (or so it seems), but strategically - NWO.


Italy has notified China that it will not extend its participation in the "One Belt, One Road" initiative. The agreement on joining the initiative was signed in 2019 and is automatically renewed every five years, unless the parties terminate it on their own.

Italy made a corresponding statement of intent back in May of this year, and now its decision has been made definitively.

In a certain sense, this is a blow to the Chinese concept, and there is no doubt that Italy will participate in the American-Indian initiative, which was announced yesterday at the G20.

China is becoming too dangerous a partner, and it's not even about any military risks (although they are present). The main problem is that China is unable to get out of the growing crisis within it. Moreover, the scale of the crisis is increasing. The trends are such that in the next five to ten years, modern China may enter a severe recession on a scale significantly larger than the southeast and Far Eastern "Asian tigers" already had. This is understandable - China's economy is huge, and therefore the consequences will be significantly higher, prolonged and severe.

At the same time, it becomes obvious that interest is shifting towards India, which has all the kit necessary for a sharp leap forward. And the completely impoverished population, ready to work for pennies, and the readiness of the Indian government to accept on its territory all the outgoing "dirty" technologies being withdrawn from the First World countries. India is ready for the enslaving conditions of the "carbon tax legislation". In addition, there is a significant cultural difference between India and China - it is more Westernized and perceives the cultural codes of the Euro-Atlantic civilization closer. English (even in a simplified form of Pidgin English) is common in India, there is an established flow of "brains" and a training system adapted to the requirements of the West. Up to half of the top managers of high-tech companies and corporations in the United States today are ethnic Indians.

In general, China is becoming less and less important in terms of strategic cooperation, but India, on the contrary, is of increasing serious interest.

 
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The recently concluded G20 meeting has published the following 37 page document(attached):
Below are some excerpts from the document that are related to the World Health Organization:

Strengthening Global Health and Implementing One Health Approach
28. We remain committed to strengthening the global health architecture, with the World Health Organization (WHO) at its core, and building more resilient, equitable, sustainable, and inclusive health systems to achieve Universal Health Coverage, implement One Health approach, enhance pandemic preparedness and strengthen existing infectious diseases surveillance systems.

ii. Promote the One Health-based approach driven by the Quadripartite’s One Health Joint Plan of Action (2022-2026).

iv. Implement and prioritise tackling Antimicrobial Resistance (AMR) following the One Health approach, including through research and development, infection prevention and control, as well as antimicrobial stewardship efforts within respective national action plans through AMR and antimicrobial consumption surveillance.

v. Facilitate equitable access to safe, effective, quality-assured, and affordable vaccines, therapeutics, diagnostics, and other medical countermeasures, especially in Low-and Middle-income Countries (LMICs), LDCs and SIDS.

vi. Look forward to a successful outcome of the ongoing negotiations at the Intergovernmental Negotiating Body (INB) for an ambitious, legally binding WHO convention, agreement or other international instruments on pandemic PPR (WHO CA+) by May 2024, as well as amendments to better implement the International Health Regulations (2005).

viii. Support the WHO-led inclusive consultative process for the development of an interim medical countermeasures coordination mechanism, with effective participation of LMICs and other developing countries, considering a network of networks approach, leveraging local and regional R&D and manufacturing capacities, and strengthening last mile delivery. This may be adapted in alignment with the WHO CA+

Finance-Health Collaboration
29. We remain committed to strengthening the global health architecture for pandemic prevention, preparedness and response (PPR) through enhanced collaboration
between Finance and Health Ministries under the Joint Finance and Health Task Force (JFHTF). Under the JFHTF, we welcome the participation of invited key regional organisations in the Task Force meetings as they enhance the voice of low-income countries. We welcome the discussion on the Framework on Economic Vulnerabilities and Risks (FEVR) and the initial Report for Economic Vulnerabilities and Risks arising from pandemics, created through collaboration between World Health Organisation (WHO), World Bank, IMF, and European Investment Bank (EIB). We call on the Task Force to continue refining this Framework over its multi-year work plan in order to regularly assess economic vulnerabilities and risks due to evolving pandemic threats, taking into account country-specific circumstances. We welcome the Report on Best
Practices from Finance Health Institutional Arrangements during Covid-19 that will contribute towards joint finance-health sector readiness to support our response to future pandemics. We welcome the Report on Mapping Pandemic Response Financing
Options and Gaps developed by the WHO and World Bank and look forward to further deliberations on how financing mechanisms could be optimized, better coordinated and, when necessary, suitably enhanced to deploy the necessary financing quickly and
efficiently, duly considering discussions in other global forums. We welcome the
conclusion of the first call for proposals by the Pandemic Fund and look forward to the second Call for Proposals by the end of 2023, based on lessons learned from the first Call for Proposals. We highlight the importance of securing new donors and co-investment. We ask the Task Force to report back to Finance and Health Ministers in 2024 on its progress.
 

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BRICS ‘partnership’🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️Like South Africa((

Brazilian leader Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva, who the day before promised not to allow the arrest of Russian President Vladimir Putin in the event of his arrival in the country, the next day said that only a court could make a decision on this issue.

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Political economists Radhika Desai and Michael Hudson are joined by geopolitical analyst Pepe Escobar to discuss the rapidly changing global order, from the Belt and Road Forum in China to the Valdai Club conference in Russia, from Israel’s genocidal war on Gaza to India’s alignment with the US


The transcript is available through this link:

 
The concept of binary - you are with me or against me is very difficult to implement in countries of billion people. First thing is people has to feed themselves and their families and there will be inevitable competition. Human beings are never uniform (( As G calls it 1000 'I's)) or same as Science wants to categorize into ism's. The societies that organizes it self through politicians who that play with 'I' s to be leaders etc. muddy the waters.

The binary concept that is evident in the West is the result of technology based control ( by the "Empire") that was established for century or so. We know the result of it. At best, what we can hope is some fairness in live and let live and free will.
I really appreciate your insight because it is deep and vertical. Because the concept is binary (no pun intended) it is also highly confusing in countries, like South Africa, where the financial industry is at the top and tech intensive (and on par with all developed western countries), and all other industries are shared by both formal and informal economies. That is a reality shared by all Brics countries including India that unfortunately shares in the delusion of being most Western of them all because of all the tech vanity table and disproportionate mirror. The same reality is experienced by the overall majority of African countries and the remaining South American countries.

I do not understand how can all the ‘enlightened minds’ be so blind and not see that neoliberal economic systems applied unilaterally through financialisation of all aspects of economy, will only create a or many huge bubbles and nothing else.

At least the Brics countries are following a more down to earth, pragmatic approach, trying to reach the perceived reality of the many. It is sad though that the fog of the corruption makes this approach hard to follow.
 
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