"Bringers of the Dawn" by Barbara Marciniak

[AWERLORD]

Thanks guys for your opinion on this subject, really appreciated. I suppose sex can be good if used to explore the Waters with your loved one, instead of just being strictly genital sex, like most people like these days. But I still cannot forget that we are moving towards 4D, and once there, sex will become absolute, so becoming a celibate is still an option for me.
I know I am reading old cass material, and old books, but I am working on myself none the less.

 

[Neil]

Now it doesn't have to be that way. Sexuality can also be expressed in a sincere, giving way - it can be explored and shared with curiosity, talked about between partners etc., in a way that respects and loves the other human being instead of treating the other like a thing. So in this way, it can actually help bringing two human beings closer together, can reduce separation/fragmentation, and help the couple on their way to become something more than the sum of its parts, i.e. grow together.

I don't disagree with anything you've said. My point was that this rarely happens. I would like to clarify that I wasn't particularly agreeing with the remark about "total celibacy" but the one about sexual energy draining to 4D STS. Maybe the incidence is 95% or 90% instead of 99%, but it is comparatively high. I believe what the Pleiadians said about it was true, they just didn't seem to talk very much about potential pitfalls, which I saw as a weakness in the material. I've posted my own views on sex here. http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,12067.msg569130.html#msg569130

At this point in my life, sex is somewhat of an annoyance, causing rather childish useless frustrations and I wish I could turn it off, which I guess would be a form of celibacy. However, I don't really believe "total celibacy" is applicable to most people. There are some people who are rather monkish who might get something out of it, but unless that total celibacy is arrived at as a byproduct of some other useful work on the self, I think it is very dangerous. I think Gurdjieff said it leads to a form of psychosis. Personally, for me, if I ever found myself in a meaningful relationship with someone else, I would seek this form of expression. For me, absolute celibacy is neither attainable nor desirable. In my mind, some of the newer session have totally negated the idea of absolute celibacy, but that's just my interpretation of it.

 

[AWERLORD]

Good to know. But in the meantime, while I do not have any relationships, I can just continue working on myself. If I would find or be found by a person and we both would developed deep feelings for one another, then I would certainly give sex a try, just to see what it is like :)

 

[luc]

I don't disagree with anything you've said. My point was that this rarely happens. I would like to clarify that I wasn't particularly agreeing with the remark about "total celibacy" but the one about sexual energy draining to 4D STS. Maybe the incidence is 95% or 90% instead of 99%, but it is comparatively high. I believe what the Pleiadians said about it was true, they just didn't seem to talk very much about potential pitfalls, which I saw as a weakness in the material. I've posted my own views on sex here. http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,12067.msg569130.html#msg569130

At this point in my life, sex is somewhat of an annoyance, causing rather childish useless frustrations and I wish I could turn it off, which I guess would be a form of celibacy. However, I don't really believe "total celibacy" is applicable to most people. There are some people who are rather monkish who might get something out of it, but unless that total celibacy is arrived at as a byproduct of some other useful work on the self, I think it is very dangerous. I think Gurdjieff said it leads to a form of psychosis. Personally, for me, if I ever found myself in a meaningful relationship with someone else, I would seek this form of expression. For me, absolute celibacy is neither attainable nor desirable. In my mind, some of the newer session have totally negated the idea of absolute celibacy, but that's just my interpretation of it.

Thanks for clarifying Neil, that's how I understood your post as well. I just thought it came across a little rigid, maybe just because it was very short and used percentage numbers, so I used the opportunity to expand a little on it with my own thoughts on the matter.

Regarding your comment that it's "an annoyance", that is why I think that maybe 'making peace with it', whatever that means in each individual case, is important? After all, it's part of the energy makeup of our machine, so I think coming to terms with this energy may be part of the overall Work.

On another note, I'm currently re-reading the Wave 4, where Laura makes a very interesting comment that I think makes an important point:

Of course, the question then becomes: can you withdraw support from the dynamic and still support the person? The fact is, in terms of soul choices, it is impossible to intimately support a person who is aligned to a certain soul choice without also supporting that person’s choices. In other words, how can you sleep with someone who has different goals than your own? Each time you do, an energy transfer takes place, and it amounts to your energy going to feed their goals, so you might as well decide that the goals are your own, because certainly, your energy is advancing them.

In other words, if I understand it correctly, you are basically 'endorsing' the trajectory of your partner's being when sharing intimacy. So it then becomes a matter of knowing your partner's being, finding out who she/he really is, and knowing your own being. And only then can you decide if you want to 'endorse' this course and the dynamic between both partners by sharing intimacy. Otherwise, the decision will likely be based on programs, osit. Not an easy task, certainly!

 

[lids4321]

Currently making way through this book, online, and it definitely chimes with what the C's have to say. Alot to process and I've had to reread some chapters. There's much reading materials suggested, both in this thread and on this site, and I thank you all for sharing. Again, I am reminded that I've come to the right place.