Buffers, Programs and "the Predator's Mind"

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Gertrudes said:
Acaja said:
Segundo, there was a single tiny phrase that litteraly woke me up. The autor asked the simple question " Do you think you are using the RIGHT energy whenever you perform a movement ?" I could think about everything I was used to doing (brushing my teeth, grabbing a glass of water, sitting down, even moving my eyes without any muscular tension...) , the answer was always " Absolutely Not!" Trust me it's a hard day when you realise that you've misuded yourself for your entire life Shocked

So true! Energy is completely misused. And I have to say that I don't think mainstream gyms are doing such a great job at helping people understand their own bodies and how to use them consciously and effectively, but quite the contrary. It saddens me because some people are genuinely interested in getting into tune with their own bodies, join a gym and are fed ideas of how to use and abuse isolated parts of their bodies to the detriment of the rest. Not to speak of the inherent sense of corrupted aesthetics of non functional bodies they are fed.

Sorry for this rant, I admit it touches a nerve when someone mentions "using the right energy to perform a movement" :-[

Considering we live in a free will based Universe, if someone decides to misuse his life by wasting his energy, someone is allowed to do so, as "sad" as it may appear
 
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Stevie Argyll said:
As an experiment it might be interesting to be your own teacher for 6 months then go back to a teacher and make sure you are moving in the right direction and not merely practicing a 'new habit'.

Yes I see what you mean. The six months period is not over yet but I was already planning my return. Don't worry I don't pretend to be a master or whatever, place for self learning is (still) not a habit for me, but a principle. In my quest for nowlegde, i need to experience various situations instead of being stuck in a one-way thinking processus. Also a "technique" is , by definition, limited. Limitation of thoughts is a limitation of knowledge.
I remember the C's saying the Universe is just a big school, if so I want to attend all the lessons provided by that school, (not just be a physic expert or an soccer player). Would it really be good spending 20 years on a technique?
 
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Acaja said:
Considering we live in a free will based Universe, if someone decides to misuse his life by wasting his energy, someone is allowed to do so, as "sad" as it may appear

Yes, but can a decision be considered a decision in the full sense of the word if its made with either lack of knowledge, or with the wrong data?
 
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Gertrudes said:
Acaja said:
Considering we live in a free will based Universe, if someone decides to misuse his life by wasting his energy, someone is allowed to do so, as "sad" as it may appear

Yes, but can a decision be considered a decision in the full sense of the word if its made with either lack of knowledge, or with the wrong data?

Well, good question.First of all, how can one make a decision if not aware? The way i see it is that the choice here lays in the acceptance of ones lack of knowledge, the choice of not contemplating all possible issues, the choice of constriction.
 
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Gertrudes said:
Yes, but can a decision be considered a decision in the full sense of the word if its made with either lack of knowledge, or with the wrong data?

I think those are called "bad decisions" ;)
 
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Acaja said:
Well, good question.First of all, how can one make a decision if not aware? The way i see it is that the choice here lays in the acceptance of ones lack of knowledge, the choice of not contemplating all possible issues, the choice of constriction.

True, but this also makes me think of the situation of the majority of people in this big blue marble. If your are fed lies, and that's all you have around you, its pretty difficult to even understand that there are other sides to the question, therefore other choices. It comes down to he type of information one is surrounded by.

But on the other hand, I suppose that on a deeper and subconscious level you do make your choices, of whether to contemplate all possible issues as you've said, or whether to choose constriction.
It's a tricky subject...

Guardian said:
Gertrudes said:
Yes, but can a decision be considered a decision in the full sense of the word if its made with either lack of knowledge, or with the wrong data?

I think those are called "bad decisions" ;)

That's one way to look at it :lol:
I think I'd call them unconscious reactions though. If you don't know your choices, I don't think you can really decide. You can have the illusion you're deciding, but you're likely to be reacting to what's been presented to you, or so I think.
 
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Guardian said:
Gertrudes said:
Yes, but can a decision be considered a decision in the full sense of the word if its made with either lack of knowledge, or with the wrong data?

I think those are called "bad decisions" ;)

or 'learning the hard way' opportunities :cool2:
 
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Gertrudes said:
So true! Energy is completely misused. And I have to say that I don't think mainstream gyms are doing such a great job at helping people understand their own bodies and how to use them consciously and effectively, but quite the contrary. It saddens me because some people are genuinely interested in getting into tune with their own bodies, join a gym and are fed ideas of how to use and abuse isolated parts of their bodies to the detriment of the rest. Not to speak of the inherent sense of corrupted aesthetics of non functional bodies they are fed.

Sorry for this rant, I admit it touches a nerve when someone mentions "using the right energy to perform a movement" :-[

Some related ideas are discussed in In Search Of The Miraculous:

"...very often, instead of [the lower centers doing] their own proper functions, one or another of them takes upon itself the work of other centers. This considerably reduces the speed of the general work of the machine and makes acceleration of the work of the centers very difficult. Thus in order to regulate and accelerate the work of the lower centers, the primary object must consist in freeing each center from work foreign and unnatural to it, and in bringing it back to its own work which it can do better than any other center.
"A great deal of energy is also spent on work which is completely unnecessary and harmful in every respect, such as on the activity of unpleasant emotions, on the expression of unpleasant sensations, on worry, on restlessness, on haste, and on a whole series of automatic actions which are completely useless. As many examples as you like can be found of such unnecessary activity. First of all there is the constantly moving flow of thoughts in our mind, which we can neither stop nor control, and which takes up an enormous amount of our energy. Secondly there is the quite unnecessary constant tension of the muscles of our organism. The muscles are tense even when we are doing nothing. As soon as we start to do even a small and insignificant piece of work, a whole system of muscles necessary for the hardest and most strenuous work is immediately set in motion. We pick up a needle from the floor and we spend on this action as much energy as is needed to lift up a man of our own weight. We write a short letter and use as much muscular energy upon it as would suffice to write a bulky volume. But the chief point is that we spend muscular energy continually and at all times, even when we are doing nothing. When we walk the muscles of our shoulders and arms are tensed unnecessarily; when we sit the muscles of our legs, neck, back, and stomach are tensed in an unnecessary way. We even sleep with the muscles of our arms, of our legs, of our face, of the whole of our body tensed, and we do not realize that we spend much more energy on this continual readiness for work we shall never do than on all the real, useful work we do during our life.

"Still further we can point to the habit of continually talking with anybody and about anything, or if there is no one else, with ourselves; the habit of indulging in fantasies, in daydreaming; the continual change of mood, feelings, and emotions, and an enormous number of quite useless things which a man considers himself obliged to feel, think, do, or say.

"In order to regulate and balance the work of the three centers whose functions constitute our life, it is necessary to learn to economize the energy produced by our organism, not to waste this energy on unnecessary functions, and to save It for that activity which will gradually connect the lower centers with the higher. [page 196]

"In order to oppose this automatism and gradually to acquire control over postures and movements in different centers there is one special exercise. It consists in this-that at a word or sign, previously agreed upon, from the teacher, all the pupils who hear or see him have to arrest their movements at once, no matter what they are doing, and remain stockstill in the posture in which the signal has caught them. Moreover not only must they cease to move, but they must keep their eyes on the same spot at which they were looking at the moment of the signal, retain the smile on their faces, if there was one, keep the mouth open if a man was speaking, maintain the facial expression and the tension of all the muscles of the body exactly in the same position in which they were caught by the signal. In this 'stopped' state a man must also stop the flow of his thoughts and concentrate the whole of his attention on preserving the tension of 'the muscles in the various parts of the body exactly as it was, watching this tension all the time and leading so to speak his attention from one part of the body to another. And he must remain in this state and in this position until another agreed-upon signal allows him to adopt a customary posture or until he drops from fatigue through being unable to preserve the original posture any longer. But he has no right to change anything in it, neither his glance, points of support, nothing. If he cannot stand he must fall-but, again, he should fall like a sack without attempting to protect himself from a blow. In exactly the same way, if he was holding something in his hands he must hold it as long as he can and if his hands refuse to obey him and the object falls it is not his fault.

"It is the duty of the teacher to see that no personal injury occurs from falling or from unaccustomed postures, and in this connection the pupils must trust the teacher fully and not think of any danger.

"The idea of this exercise and its results differ very much. Let us take it first of all from the point of view of the study of movements and postures. This exercise affords a man the possibility of getting out of the circle of automatism and it cannot be dispensed with, especially at the beginning of work on oneself.

"A non-mechanical study of oneself is only possible with the help of the 'stop' exercise under the direction of a man who understands it.

"Let us try to follow what occurs. A man is walking, or sitting, or working. At that moment he hears a signal. A movement that has begun is interrupted by this sudden signal or command to stop. His body becomes immovable and arrested in the midst of a transition from one posture to another, in a position in which he never stays in ordinary life. Feeling himself in this state, that is, in an unaccustomed posture, a man involuntarily looks at himself from new points of view, sees and observes himself in a new way. In this unaccustomed posture he is able to think in a new way, feel in a new way, know himself in a new way. In this way the circle of old automatism is broken. The body tries in vain to adopt an ordinary comfortable posture. But the man's will, brought into action by the will of the teacher, prevents it. The struggle goes on not for life but till the death. But in this case will can conquer. This exercise taken together with all that has been said is an exercise for self-remembering. A man must remember himself so as not to miss the signal; he must remember himself so as not to take the most comfortable posture at the first moment; he must remember himself in order to watch the tension of the muscles in different parts of the body, the direction in which he is looking, the facial expression, and so on; he must remember himself in order to overcome very considerable pain sometimes from unaccustomed positions of the legs, arms, and back, so as not to be afraid of falling or dropping something heavy on his foot. It is enough to forget oneself for a single moment and the body will adopt, by itself and almost unnoticeably, a more comfortable position, it will transfer the weight from one foot to another, will slacken certain muscles, and so on. This exercise is a simultaneous exercise for the will, the attention, the thoughts, the feelings, and for moving center.

"But it must be understood that in order to bring into action a sufficient strength of will to keep a man in an unaccustomed position an order or command from the outside: 'stop,' is indispensable. A man cannot give himself the command stop. His will will not obey this command. The reason for this, as I have said before, is that the combination of habitual thinking, feeling, and moving postures is stronger than a man's will. The command stop which, in relation to moving postures, comes from outside, takes the place of thinking and feeling postures. These postures and their influence are so to speak removed by the command stop-and in this case moving postures obey the will." [pages 353-4]
 
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JGeropoulas said:
Some related ideas are discussed in In Search Of The Miraculous:

Thank you for these quotes JGeropoulas, they raise very important points.
It also reminds me of the importance of working on each centre to understand where one's energy, within a specific situation, belongs
 
Re: More on Understanding the Machine - THE NATURE OF PERCEPTION

I thought of several places to put this post, but in the final analysis, I think it fits just fine under the title of this thread, so here it is. :)

The following information is from an essay by Ingo Swann on the nature of 'perception' which is available on his Biomind website. Since perception seems to play a part in everything that we are concerned with, it might be useful to study it and understand it in as much depth as possible so that we could apply whatever we can learn about it to the Work. Notice the last (Bolded) line in the quote. Also see bottom of quote for links and further comments.

THE NATURE OF PERCEPTION

...beneath that slight confusion [regarding the many different TYPES of perception in both the quantitative and qualitative sense] is another more fundamental one -- an almost universal mis-understanding regarding what perception is and is all about.

In other words, PERCEPTION is so fundamental to our species that it is practically synonymous with FUNCTIONAL LIFE itself.
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In that eye-perception has been the dominant model for perception during the modern period, it's worthwhile walking step-by-step through its so-called "mechanics" or "mechanisms." "Functions" would be a far better term as we shall see ahead.

To begin with, it is commonly thought that the eye sees images of the objects they scan or focus upon.
However, the eye itself does not form images. Rather it is composed of a collection of extremely tiny light-sensitive parts, called rods and cones, etc., that detect various kinds of light reflecting off of various kinds of objects and things. Taken altogether, these can be called "photosensors."
What the light-sensitive parts are thus "seeing" is not an image but interactions between the objects and the light they are reflecting. The interactions of the reflecting light are known as "interference patterns."

So what is actually going on, as:

Step 1, is that interference patterns of light bouncing off of objects are taking place, and is these patterns that are picked up by the light-sensitive parts of the eye -- and which at this point should be referred to as a "light interference pattern detector." So, the light-sensitive parts of the eye are also light interference patterns. That reflecting light patterns are the essential ingredient becomes quite clear if you step into a completely darkened room and close the door behind you. Zippo! No interference patterns, no "eye vision."


As step 2, the light-sensitive parts of the eye are not actually "parts," but at least a hundred million light-sensitive cells, each of which, or teams of which, are precisely geared only with regard to this or that particular kind of light within the light-interference patterns. This is to say that the patterns themselves have now been broken down into a hundred million separate light segments or aspects. Another way of putting this is that the light has now been broken down and divided up into a vast number of extremely minuscule "dots."


As step 3, EACH of the dots is immediately converted into a particular kind of electrical signal pattern, a hundred million of them.


As step 4, all of these minuscule electrical signals are transmitted in a rapid but hyper-organized way via a complicated system of "relay" cells to another complicated set of relay cells alongside the brain-stem.
A complicated set of nomenclature for these relay-transmitting cells has been developed. But basically they belong to the ganglion system of cells, each of which, or sets of which, are interested solely in specific signals. Some of these have to do only with dividing differences of contrasts of light and shade; others have to do with dividing the signals into further categories of color.


As step 5, at this point each of the signal dots have been "cued" as to where they belong and interface among all of the signals.


As step 6, the whole of this is now forwarded or transmitted to the cells of the cortex lining the surface of the back parts of the brain -- i.e., transmitted to the back of your "head." The sectors of the cortex having to do only with "vision" are referred to as the visual cortex -- even though what we refer to as vision doesn't exactly take place among them.

Even though the mass of signals have arrived at the visual cortex, "vision" does not yet take place.
If all this is complex enough so far, what now takes place gets really complex.


As step 7, the more "simple" cells "respond" to particular simple features of the incoming signals, at which point the signals begin to take on what we refer to as information. Some of the cells respond to straight lines, curves, given kinds of angles, or a dividing line between areas of light and darkness.

If these have more complex or more specific relationships arrangements, more "complex" counterparts to the "simple" cells are required. The complex cells respond, for example, to given shapes of given colors. Other specializing complex cells are interested in whether no motion is involved or if motion is involved. Some of the complex cells only respond to motion moving to the left; others only to motion moving to the right. Others have to do with up/down motion. And on and on and on. Some cells are interested only in what is signaled is dead or alive.

However, even though the "information" is somewhat organized into "bits" at this point, "image" or "image-perception" does not yet occur.


As step 8, the whole of the output of the simple and complex cells is forwarded to MEMORY STORAGE where, apparently, the bits are compared to bits stored in memory. This process goes on until the incoming bits find a "match" in memory storage, or a "match" that is nearest to/similar to the incoming bits. When compatible bits are located and compared to the incoming bits, what is called "recognition" now begins to take place.

As matches are found, and as step 9, what apparently is somewhat akin to a hologram begins to form, in which all of the incoming bits compatible with memory storage bits are now...

Reconstructed or Fabricated into...

as step 10, the "image" that is now formed or projected into the hologram -- and which in our modern epoch is referred to as "mental image picture."

If all goes well enough from step 1 through step 10, then we have what we mistakenly call "eye vision" -- but which, beyond any scientific doubt now, is an interiorily reconstructed "hologram" of some kind -- "hologram" being the best term to date. The holograms that don't completely form up (for any number of reasons) are what we call "impressions" in order to distinguish them from an "image."

But there IS one factor that makes it seem there is a one-to-one relationship between the actual object being "seen" and the hologramic reconstruction of it. This factor is the utterly mind-boggling speed that incorporates steps 1 through 10. Although the speed of the "recognition" sometimes varies in minuscule ways, the whole of all this takes place within nanoseconds or even in fractions of them.


Now, there remain some enormous complexities. The entirety of what happens via steps 1 through 10 is scientifically understood, mapped and predictable. At least two important factors are yet missing:

1. In spite of the enormous research funds to discover what it is, no one knows what MEMORY is or where it is "stored."
2. Not known either is where the reconstructed holograms form, and why they do.

What IS known, though, is that everything we "perceive," absolutely everything, is "information" that has been reconstructed into formats recognizable only against memory storage. And what is also known is that step 10 is the LAST step in this processes, not the second step. And whether concerning eye vision or not, everything that manifests in our heads takes place because of all ten steps, whether concerning our ideas, imagination, illusions, concepts, "understanding," and ALL other perceptual whatnot.
SOURCE:
_http://www.biomindsuperpowers.com/Pages/TowardActivating-3.html
BIBLIOGRAPHY:
_http://www.biomindsuperpowers.com/Pages/Bibliography.html
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That last sentence, above, is why I wanted to post this. Since perception is a common denominator in just about everything that concerns us, it is also, necessarily important in the Work.

With this model of perception, there are a lot of 'parts' that one can think about and maybe use in the process of learning more about ourselves.

One of the "important factors" that is missing was said to be memory whereabouts and memory storage. Well, I speculate that memory involves the whole being. I think the overall 'configuration' of any particular memory consists of patterns of, and arrangements of patterns of 'bits' - the same 'bits' of ourselves that were always present, only now, in a certain memory, magnetically held together in a certain arrangement that is not 'static' unless it also includes confused feelings, or 'negative emotions', whereupon it may be stored in the neural network of the limbic system (predator's mind, osit).

If this is the case, then maybe each bit is simply arranged and rearranged as needed for internal re-cognition purposes.

If we can stop thinking in terms of 'things' and our 'self' in relationship to an 'it' and start thinking of 'things' as simply patterns and arrangements of 'bits' that originally belong to something else, then maybe it will be easier to learn to see 'through' our experiences and past memories and present cognitions, and avoid getting 'stuck' in identifications, or making it easier to get 'unstuck' in places where we may be identified. This way we can 'take the lesson' and let the superficialities go.

This may also make it easier to be, and to stay "associated" with our experiences (as distinct from being dissociated, for example) - to allow ourselves to experience that which we want to avoid experiencing, so it will flow on through us, filing away in our being as experience without identification and getting stuck in limiting beliefs and so on.

Hope someone finds this helpful.

Discussion, feedback, criticism or anything welcome...especially if it is to correct some mis-conceptualization in the above explanation of 'perception'.
 
Re: Emotions and self-observation

Thank you all for sharing these experiences here. My mind has opened somewhat and I have gone back to see that many times I have thought I was feeling an actual emotion when it was just words wrapped up to look like it. Usually manifested as anger or frustration. What was the seed emotion I could not say. Did not allow the space to experience it. The words get in the way.

So I tried to "feel" today. Was feeling very disappointed and sad. It turned into being bored and not knowing what to do with this excess energy I was feeling. I scetched, did some housework, walked the dogs for a third time today and yet still not feeling right. So I sat back while reading one of the posts here and followed the advice. Did not ask why, what or how. Just felt it in my stomach area. And suddenly it was gone. Feeling like at least for the moment it transformed into peace. Not joy, just a calming peace. No longer did I feel these feelings of disappointment or sadness. Not to say they will not return. For the moment they have been changed.

Thank you!
 
Self observation

For a month or so I've finished reading ISOTM and now I'm reading GNOSIS I decided to share the work I started on my own observation, he had not done this before due to lack of time, my work and home But now I start to do because there is definitely to start and do not mind the inconvenience because now I am aware that all these difficulties arise because A influences as Mouravieff said.
At first it was a bit difficult to be aware of everything I do, think or feel but they have been so far the conclusions of my own observation.
First I noticed that I have a fear for the future and anxiety to know what will happen tomorrow, for example, my day had not finished and I was thinking that taxes to make the weekend, and this causes me to stomach pain, sometimes it is terrible, this makes me confused on what I think, feel and do.
The second in order of importance is my family situation I am married and I have no children with my wife but she has 4 and 3 of them live with us (their ages are: 16, 18, 21 and 26 the highest) my relationship with they can say is good but at certain times their behavior sometimes makes me have a bit strong emotions such as anger when I'm not agree with them, now I understand also that this goes through the education I received from my parents (they were very demanding with me), my bone mechanical behavior.
The third has to do with my way of lying, I thought I could lie to others and that I was aware that that was a lie and now, but I was lying to myself many times, it is but when I got here (the work of Laura with the C's, the forum, Gurdjieff, etc) I thought this was a group of people who share the same thoughts and I, so I started reading and I dared not speak, but now I can say this because Gurdjieff as lying to the teacher says it makes no sense, it is more that's the worst that can be done.
The fourth has to do with envy him, sometimes I'm a little frustrated when I see some people close to me do not have any merit to have more things I get them yet, especially this ridiculous makes me me me same.
This is what I have seen of me so far.
Now I have a couple of questions.
The first has to do with the "work itself", begin to change their behavior from the moment they are known or however continue to observe for a while but without making any changes so far? I ask the question because ISOTM, G. says the observation itself must be deep and abiding and to not be aware of all our examiners do not start working on himself to avoid mistakes.
The second question is: What is the "role" played by 4D beings in the Ray of Creation?. The question I do it because I read some stuff about alien bases on the moon and the moon are in the last leg in the process of building Rayo I still doubt if this has to do with the 4D beings, which feed our energy.
Finally I would like to especially thank Ailen the guide given to me from the beginning.
A greeting from the heart to all and thank you very much for reading.
 
Re: Self observation

jhonny, that is great that you have started to observe yourself and are bringing your observations to the forum.

If we are honest with ourselves when we do self-observation, we discover a lot of unpleasant things about ourselves, as you are starting to do. that gives us the motivation to change.

jhonny said:
The first has to do with the "work itself", begin to change their behavior from the moment they are known or however continue to observe for a while but without making any changes so far? I ask the question because ISOTM, G. says the observation itself must be deep and abiding and to not be aware of all our examiners do not start working on himself to avoid mistakes.

One aspect of changing things you observe in yourself is this: As we watch ourselves, the ‘timing’ of our observations changes. What I mean is, when we first see something in ourselves, such as your anger at times with your wife’s children, we see it after we are already completely ‘in’ the anger. We are identified with the anger. As we continue to observe ourselves, we recognize a pattern in our emotional behaviour, we start to understand the reasons for it, and that helps us to see it more and more quickly. Eventually, we can even see a situation develop which we know provokes us. When this happens, we have a choice that we never had before. We can decide to do something different so that the situation develops differently. It is an example of how we begin to earn ‘free will’. Whereas before, the anger overtook us and we had no choice in the matter because of our programming, now we do have a choice.

Another aspect is that self-observation will help us develop the ‘Will’ part of ‘free will’. The more we see our programmes, understand where they come from and what conditions trigger them, and then continue to fall into the trap yet again, we develop a fire inside to change. That is our Will to change.


The second question is: What is the "role" played by 4D beings in the Ray of Creation?. The question I do it because I read some stuff about alien bases on the moon and the moon are in the last leg in the process of building Rayo I still doubt if this has to do with the 4D beings, which feed our energy.

Have you read The Wave or High Strangeness? I think you’ll find the answers to this question there. You are correct not to interpret the idea of bases on the moon literally as last leg in the Ray of Creation. Think of the Ray of Creation as a metaphor for hyperdimensional realities.
 
Re: Emotions and self-observation

Spiral Out said:
It also makes much sense that "self control is actually feeling the feeling". I think self-control can be mistaken as over-riding the emotional center and "intellectualizing" emotions rather than actually putting oneself in a state of "vulnerability" and feel what is coming up, It's a different form of "control" that is more related to a letting go, getting in touch with ones inner child. Sounds like a paradox, I know, but that's how I can see it in myself.

What an insightful thread! Thank you all! :thup:

That's basically how I experience it too! It requires a bit of trust in yourself as well doesn't it? I've known so many people in my life (myself included) that wouldn't allow themselves to feel what was already there simply because they thought they would somehow lose control of themselves and go bonkers or something, but that doesn't necessarily have to follow from the act of 'letting go'.


Bluestar said:
So I sat back while reading one of the posts here and followed the advice. Did not ask why, what or how. Just felt it in my stomach area. And suddenly it was gone. Feeling like at least for the moment it transformed into peace. Not joy, just a calming peace. No longer did I feel these feelings of disappointment or sadness. Not to say they will not return. For the moment they have been changed.

I've experienced this too! There are times when I concentrate attention on the 'feelings' that seem to be in certain parts of the body with the intention of getting an objective description of actual sensation and it causes them to evaporate or change, as if they couldn't stand up to inspection or something. :)
 
Re: Emotions and self-observation

Wonderful to see the being food in the thread.

One thing to add ,,which has probably been said time and time again but can never be be written about too much is the difference between negative and positive emotion. In mechanical life we can unthinkingly equate painful emotions and suffering as negative and try to escape .

Eg:
Sorrow - devoid of sentimentallity and self indulgence - is a beautiful, cleansing , painful emotion.
Real shame and regret when one realises ones errors are equally painful and cleansing.

Sometimes we run from pain towards comfort - self calming, missing out when the suffering is a genuine blessing.

In comparison useless negative emotions almost always contain some kind of self indulgence. Compare true sorrow to self indulgent 'my terrible loss' or the true shame that one realises when one uncovers ones mechanical self serving ongoing behaviour with the 'false shame' one feels when one has embarrased oneself in the eyes of peers when one is concerned with ego and making an impression.

Some pain will burn the dross of false self, other pain will lead quickly towards comfort/ ego preservation and self calming. Recognising and jettisoning the false emotions resulting from self image is the most rewarding work.
 

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