Canning meat/what Equipment is needed, how much canning is necessary

etezete said:
maybe I'm overthinking it... but I can't help asking myself: What if it really comes to the situation, that there is no longer food available, not in the supermarket, no possibility to grow your own food (maybe because the soil is poisoned), in what form does it help me, to have stored canned food? It will only shift my fate some days into the future. This is the first point. second: what if people come and ask me for food? In that very dramatic situation i described. Of course I will give them. At least that is what I am thinking now. but I was never in an situation like this before, I cannot know how I will re/act ... and that is the point where wetiko comes in. Maybe in that situation I will think: "Wait a moment, I have only this much food stored, when i give away this or that amount of it, i will last much shorter. And why didn't the others prepare themselves anyway? - Or maybe "they" don't think of even asking, they just kill me an steal my stored food.

I know that sounds extreme, but i cant help thinking that a situation that requires preparations like this to survive for - be honest - only a little more time seems to be the best breeding-ground for evil behavior to take root. and maybe that can influence the frequency of the earth when the wave comes.

Do u understand what i mean?
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I think that the idea is to sustain yourself for the roughest period, say 6 months to 2 years. I for one wouldn't like to live in my cellar eating canned food for decades! So I guess there's a limit, at which point it becomes unbearable. When the dust settles, it would be ideal to have means, material and skills to start growing and breeding new sources of food - that's were learning traditional skills like skinning a rabbit etc is important, too. If you haven't done so, I suggest you read the thread on preparedness. There you can find useful information, and recommended books etc.

And yes, people will come after your canned food if they know you have it. It's not about being selfish, just strategically smart: you don't have to advertise that you have a bunch of canned food. In a crisis, you can't help everyone. Have enough canned food so that you can feed your family and closest ones. Looting and criminal gangs making rounds could be a problem. One author suggests hiding the canned food in smart ways, so as not to be detected. Reading the thread and related books will give you more ideas. It's not by any means an easy problem to tackle, but gathering enough knowledge will enable you to make better decisions! :)
 
etezete said:
maybe I'm overthinking it...

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I know that sounds extreme, but i cant help thinking that a situation that requires preparations like this to survive for - be honest - only a little more time seems to be the best breeding-ground for evil behavior to take root. and maybe that can influence the frequency of the earth when the wave comes.

Do u understand what i mean?
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I do understand, but I think you are overthinking it ;)

Because any situation can be a "breeding-ground for evil behavior to take root", right?
Considering it from a different angle, say you stored your food and you have enough, and hard times come, and you are able to ratio what you saved and help yourself, your family, perhaps some other people you care about. Would that be bad?

I honestly don't think so much about different scenarios because I don't even know what to expect really. I do keep up with sott news and see the changes in economy, climate, general strangeness that is becoming even more strange by the day. So I do try to learn some skills, I can when I can ;) preparing for the worst, hoping for the best, and eventually being in a position to deal with what comes. And that's about how most of us on the forum approach this situation.

I think that if you read the threads that Aragon posted for you, you will get a better idea of what we mean when we talk about preparedness and why.
 
Etezete.

I recommend this online resource from the man that survived the war in Yugoslavia: http://shtfschool.com/
The latest article, that Selco posted is called "Blending In and Survivalist Hate". It is right on the topic of "survivalist guilt".

SlavaOn
 
SlavaOn:

really? are u serious?

the site u sent me the link for is obviously written by a traumatized person. I'm not gonna judge on that (how could I), but that realized, it tells a story, doesn't it?

and what lessons can war teach u?

on the other hand: there is someone who already experienced a -as he calls it - shtf-situation, willing to share his experiences.

I don't know, really, I mean this guy recommends getting a gun/weapon. I'm convinced that if u have a gun, u will use it. i don't want to use a gun. But if u ask me, I don't wanna get shot either..

It's just that I am somehow convinced that all that behaviour will change ur frequency, and for me as I understood all I read up to now, it will change much more likely to a more-STSy frequency. As I said in a previous post here, I just read Columbus and other Cannibals, and I think Forbes is very right when he says: Civilization is when nobody dies by the hand of someone other! (I'm paraphrasing here). His Conclusion to this sentence is, that we don't have a Civilization here. And I think we won't change this by using such uncivilized means to survive.

its a bit of a dilemma, don't u agree?
 
etezete said:
I'm sry, SlavaOn, but u lost me here. I'm out. At least for some pondering time.

I think my way is another.
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That is very possible, and you are of course free to follow your own way.

I am however very curious whether you had a chance to read this thread that Aragorn posted for you above, and why you are so opposed to knowledge about how to survive extreme situations. Nobody suggests that you follow everything that every prepper/survivalist person recommends. It's all about reading, gathering knowledge and skills, and taking it all as an adventure.

It's just that I am somehow convinced that all that behaviour will change ur frequency, and for me as I understood all I read up to now, it will change much more likely to a more-STSy frequency.
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Every behavior changes our frequency, but don't we have a choice as to what behavior to choose to act out? That's why we are not focusing so much on preparedness on this forum, that's just one little subject among many many others. What is our first priority is changing ourselves, learning to be more human, recognizing psychopathy in our world and ponerization in ourselves, learning to work with others and for others. An inner preparedness, which is way harder that just canning ;)
 
First I have to say that I am very thankful that I found this place.

There are two points:

1. >>Who is more experienced living in place without any law, criminals or regular folks?<<

This, I think is a very important statement I found at http://shtfschool.com/
Very often I realise that even people who know whats going on are not totally aware of what might happen in an emergency case. I have been reading a book right now thats called Blackout by Marc Elsberg who describes a situation after a totally blackout in Europe. Partly you can see what people are doing, how they are behaving and it is frightening and one has to be prepared for this situations, meaning: First you have to accept that it might be possible.

So what I try to do for myself is - in a very small, but effective way - I try to behave like someone who disobeyes and follows his own rules! That means just small things, i.e. crossing the street when I see its definitely free and not waiting until the lights shows green .
The other day I was standing in a line at a postoffice and a man told me that I had to stand on the other side because that was the rule. In fact already 2 persons were standing in front of me in the same line and nobody cared except that it was just not in order.
But still, when someone tells you very distinctly that you are on the wrong place and should change the line, your first reflex might be you want to obeye. Just to have peace. And I did not change but feeling a little bit uneasy for a short time. Afterwards I thought about the situation and realisied that it is just the question: Follow the system or not.

2. I started canning meat and vegetables a long time ago, because I wanted to have my own meat and vegetables.
Since I did not know that there were special Canning Machines, pressure cannes, I only heated the glasses in a boiling pot.
And I reheated it after 24 hours - which was something I learned from my mother-in-law. And this worked very well. I did not use raw meat or vegetables but cooked ones and they are still very good - meanwhile some of them about 3 years old.
You must be very careful, and I probably will change to that pressure canne.

I hope this will be helpful for someone!
 
naorma said:
First I have to say that I am very thankful that I found this place.

There are two points:

1. >>Who is more experienced living in place without any law, criminals or regular folks?<<

This, I think is a very important statement I found at http://shtfschool.com/
Very often I realise that even people who know whats going on are not totally aware of what might happen in an emergency case. I have been reading a book right now thats called Blackout by Marc Elsberg who describes a situation after a totally blackout in Europe. Partly you can see what people are doing, how they are behaving and it is frightening and one has to be prepared for this situations, meaning: First you have to accept that it might be possible.

So what I try to do for myself is - in a very small, but effective way - I try to behave like someone who disobeyes and follows his own rules! That means just small things, i.e. crossing the street when I see its definitely free and not waiting until the lights shows green .
The other day I was standing in a line at a postoffice and a man told me that I had to stand on the other side because that was the rule. In fact already 2 persons were standing in front of me in the same line and nobody cared except that it was just not in order.
But still, when someone tells you very distinctly that you are on the wrong place and should change the line, your first reflex might be you want to obeye. Just to have peace. And I did not change but feeling a little bit uneasy for a short time. Afterwards I thought about the situation and realisied that it is just the question: Follow the system or not.

2. I started canning meat and vegetables a long time ago, because I wanted to have my own meat and vegetables.
Since I did not know that there were special Canning Machines, pressure cannes, I only heated the glasses in a boiling pot.
And I reheated it after 24 hours - which was something I learned from my mother-in-law. And this worked very well. I did not use raw meat or vegetables but cooked ones and they are still very good - meanwhile some of them about 3 years old.
You must be very careful, and I probably will change to that pressure canne.

I hope this will be helpful for someone!
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Hi, naorma. Regarding point 1, it sounds like you're doing what some call 'civil disobedience', and I can relate to that. There are so many stupid rules in this world, often based on bad science! However, I think it's also good in every situation, to use external consideration and a wise strategy. There's no general rule of what's right or wrong, because it depends on the situation and the people involved. But sometimes, if we're acting without external consideration, being disobedient can make things more difficult to the other people involved. Not every situation is worth a fight. With pathological, and character disturbed people it's of course a different ball game. Then it's usually best to disengage completely.

Regarding point 2, I wouldn't store those "traditionally" canned meats for too long. And perhaps it would be safer not to eat those altogether. To destroy botulinum bacteria, you need to use a proper pressure cooker and follow the instructions.
 
@ Aragorn.
>>There's no general rule of what's right or wrong, because it depends on the situation and the people involved. But sometimes, if we're acting without external consideration, being disobedient can make things more difficult to the other people involved. <<
Of course, you are right.
 
This is for the US peeps out there: Kmart is having a online sale - offer ends Aug 2nd - on canning supplies (10% off) with either free store pickup or free shipping over $59
More info: _http://www.kmart.com/for-the-home-food-prep-gadgets-canning/b-1223073089

For example, 32oz (one quart) wide mouth jars are 9.89 for 12.
I have been looking at buying a pallet of new canning jars and even with that kind of bulk order it comes out $10.64 without shipping.
I've visited numerous websites scouring them for the best deal and this is it by far.

Don't forget to buy extra lids.
 
Thank you much for the heads up domi. I was lucky last fall and bought a pristene 22qt pressure canner from a neighbor for $25. I have been canning jams and stuff for barter. I have fruit trees and sugar that I have had in my prep stuff for 10+ years. I am going to try meats soon and am in need of jars. that is a good price.
 
Laurelayn said:
I am going to try meats soon and am in need of jars. that is a good price.
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I was able to apply a coupon - very easy to find online - to get another 10% off for a total of 20% off. I still had to pay sales tax of course but this kind of pricing can't be beat.
 
domi said:
Laurelayn said:
I am going to try meats soon and am in need of jars. that is a good price.
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I was able to apply a coupon - very easy to find online - to get another 10% off for a total of 20% off. I still had to pay sales tax of course but this kind of pricing can't be beat.
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Thanks for the heads up on the sale domi! I was needing some more jars!
 
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