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'Especially try to ponder, when they ask Lazar:
- What is the top speed of the saucer?
Remember the Rogan interview and others, where Bob tells him, when looking up almost directly from below the craft, toward the craft from the tarmac ground, its hull outlines and details should have been sharp, right? But its outlines were blurry and visually distorted, because the powerful gravity-waves generating motor was working inside of it and it was literally bending light = distorting space and time before the very eyes of people trying to observe it! Was that craft already partially in 4th Density because of merely turning on its engine and the units described in our physics books started changing inside and in the immediate surroundings of that craft?

Remember the reports and the C's talking about the insides UFO craft: how it is Changing Physical Units. So then the speed question, how many seconds it takes for the saucer to get from zero to 200 miles, like a Forma 1 car speed-rating.. doesn't make sense!

Because the engine is so powerful that it distorts the very fabric of space and time itself! So you cannot measure its speed, because it literally changes / distorts the units of space and time, on which physics values you BASE your speed calculations! As a result Lazar tells him:
- Such a saucer can instantly travel to insanely far distances!

Kinda a bucket of cold water poured on our human heads, no?

 

[Mari]

So then the speed question, how many seconds it takes for the saucer to get from zero to 200 miles, like a Forma 1 car speed-rating.. doesn't make sense!

Because the engine is so powerful that it distorts the very fabric of space and time itself! So you cannot measure its speed, because it literally changes / distorts the units of space and time, on which physics values you BASE your speed calculations! As a result Lazar tells him:
- Such a saucer can instantly travel to insanely far distances!

It is crazy, yes. There´s an article on UFO propulsion on Cass substack:

UFOs/UAP Part 6

UFO propulsion and consciousness

cassiopaea.substack.com

May 27, 1995​

Q: (RS) I want to know whether we can have any clues on the propulsion systems of UFOs?​

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A: Sure!​

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Q: (RS) What’s the mechanism of the propulsion?​

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A: This is difficult to answer when posed in such a manner, as we are talking about multiple realities, density levels and various modes as well!! […]​

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Q: (RS) […] the only way that I can perceive traveling the long distances involved in interstellar space is to have what is called a “spacetime” machine. We cannot move the enormous distances unless you can fold, somehow, time and space. You cannot fold space unless you join it and fold time. You cannot have interstellar travel unless you have a spacetime machine. But, a spacetime machine means to also have the ability to move forward and backward in time, to manipulate time. […] In our third level, the motion in space and time occurs via the change of the unit of time and space; therefore, can we change the unit? [This “changing the unit” seems to imply some form of spacetime metric engineering, discussed below.]​

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A: Yes, this is precisely what we mean when we speak of “transiting from 4th to 3rd.”​

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Q: […] (RS) Now, the question of the units, it is very important, a fundamental question, because, say, you are outside a UFO, and you see the UFO as big as a car, say, and people go inside and report this enormous interior. There is no other way to do this than by changing the unit. What is for us one inch, that unit is completely different inside. For us the unit is the same along the three directions. Now, if you are inside, they can have different units in different directions. This means that if you are outside a cube, and you go inside, the shape, not only the dimensions but the shape even, can be different.​

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A: Density-borderline cross-awareness.​

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Q: […] (RS) At the third level, is it true that the value of the dimension is changed by the available energy, or the energy is used to change the value of the units? [According to Hal Puthoff’s theory, below, an immense amount of energy is required for this kind of spacetime engineering.]​

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A: This concept crosses the density barrier, not limited to level three.​

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Q: (RS) Goes up to level four. That’s the means of propulsion of the UFO.​

In other words, such engineering must take into account higher dimensions. Dr. Garry Nolan speculates that an advanced technology may be able to “project material objects” from a higher-dimensional space, in which case the driving force or propulsion mechanism may not reside in the craft itself, but in the higher dimension. Observers would see no evidence of a propulsion mechanism, because the craft would be controlled and powered from elsewhere. They would see only the 3D projection of a 4D object being moved from that space, similar to how a 2D disc of light on the wall is controlled by the 3D hand moving the flashlight.

 

[Pecha]

The Am-EU finished the The Undergrounders chapter in Beyond Disclosure: Underground Bases Higher Dimensions Alien Abduction & Cryptozoology by Harrison Koehli on August 31st, led by Mari.

Participants: Mari, RedFox, Laurs, Anya112003, Redrock12, Saki, Il Matto, polly, Breo, Aliana, Saki, Pecha

I've also attached the mind map below in both PNG & PDF form. For readability, here's printed the mind map in bulleted form here:

The Undergrounders

• Mythical and Occult Underground Narratives: Folklore like Zuni emergence myths and legends of tunnels in Mexico/South America, alongside occult tales of Agartha’s advanced “hidden masters” (e.g., Helvetius’s 17th-century alchemist visitor, Blavatsky’s Tibetan masters), describe subterranean civilizations with advanced tech and psychic abilities, often tied to world control.
• Fictional and Blurred Accounts: Works like Bulwer-Lytton’s The Coming Race (1871) and Ossendowski’s Beasts, Men and Gods (1922) blend fact and fiction, depicting underground races (e.g., Atlanteans, Lemurians) surviving cataclysms, using “vril” energy or telepathy, with Shaver’s Teros/Deros tales (1943) amplifying these via telepathic Lemurian contact.
• Cryptoterrestrial Hypothesis: Modern ufology, via Tonnies’s The Cryptoterrestrials (2010) and others (e.g., Jorjani, Coulthart), posits UFOs originate from earthly underground/undersea bases, potentially ancient Atlantean survivors, contrasting the extraterrestrial hypothesis, with claims of Nordics or cryptoterrestrials influencing human affairs.
• Cassiopaean Insights on Undergrounders: The Cassiopaeans deny a literal Agartha but confirm an underground civilization, active for 14,000 years, using TDARM tech to duplicate bodies for war casualties (e.g., 72,355 WWII, 23,469 Vietnam) as “workers” for 4D STS, with bases at depths up to 3,108 miles, lit by magnetic resonance.
• Nazi-Antarctic Connection: A WWII-era Nazi underground base in Antarctica, built 1941–1945, was instructed by “Antareans” (STS Orion humanoids) via the Thule Society, assimilating Germans into a pre-existing subterranean population to develop a “master race,” per Salla’s sources and Cassiopaean sessions.
• Psychic Projection and Media Influence: An “army” of 1.6 million 3D/4D subterranean Aryan psychic projectors, part of “Thor’s Pantheum,” influences high-level human thought via “thought-form transmission,” with media like Independence Day (Project Awaken) using subliminals to shape perceptions of aliens.
• (Mari): Shares scene from Ancient Apocalypse (S2E12)It depicts evolution of souls rather than that of a race. The 4th world mentioned could be a reference to 4th density.
  • (RedFox): It very well cold be, seeing as the second world is populated by animals.
• (Breo): Once went to Mt. Shasta long ago and saw that there's a lot of new age book stores in the area. It was startling for me even then. Lots of books talking about undergrounders and entities. Took a hike there and felt intense sensations--there's definitely something strange there.
  • (RedFox): Did you notice any vegan restaurants?
  • (Breo): Yep, those folks were there. Lots of anti-smokers too.
• (Laurs): What is the role of free will in that scenario (souls extracted from warfare), where souls can be tampered with before going to the light/silver cord? Perhaps there was a consent given at some point prior?
  • (RedFox): In the recent session, it doesn't give the impression that they can easily do this with souled individuals.
  • (Laurs): For 4D STS, it's no problem for them to focus on lots of people at once, since they can move through time.
  • (Aliana): Do OPs have a silver cord? Maybe they do have them if they return to a soul pool.
• (Mari): Shares video: #Conspiracy2025 #shorts #AmericanMysteryFans Disappeared in the Mist: The Lost Soldiers of WWI
  • (Laurs): Perhaps this happens during catastrophes as well (earthquakes, floods, etc.).
  • (RedFox): Shares session:
    Q: (Approaching Infinity) A couple other possible variations are mentioned in the sessions, mostly based on the MIA/KIA discussion. First there is reanimation, where the soul is picked up prior to going to 5D and reinserted into the reanimated body. Second is body duplication/cloning, which resembles reanimation, except a new, replacement body is created. And the third might be a strictly 3D abduction, for example, where the physical body enters a 4D area without TDARM, like when one enters or is taken to an underground base. Are these accurate?
    A: Close enough!
    Q: (Approaching Infinity) Why is alpha-state induction considered an abduction, which implies some part of us is taken? Did "level 3" just mean it takes place strictly in 3D?
    A: Abduction there refers to consciousness.
    Q: (L) So they're just taking your consciousness, is that it?
    A: Yes
    Q: (Approaching Infinity) In the Missing 411 cases in which bright, athletic men go missing and turn up dead in water, there is medical evidence that many of them were alive for much of the time they were missing, and only died shortly before their bodies were found. What happened to them during the time they were alive, which sometimes lasted days or several weeks?
    A: Food source.
    Q: (L) Well they weren't eaten.
    A: Emotional food. Also breeding experiments.
• (Mari): In the Georgia Le Carre romance novel, The Other Side of Midnight, they mention a utopian underground city where people every now and then need to give blood as part of a routine medical procedure.
  • (Laurs): Noticed in Dubai that people have to go to the clinic every two years to check for HIV and most of the time they have to give blood. What exactly are they doing with that blood? It's similar to the people living in underground facilities in The Other Side of Midnight.
  • (polly): Is it possible that body parts and blood being used to create these bodies for extracted souls? What if chemtrails in there are there to trap people for easier collection? Perhaps it is the knowledge of the silver cord is one of the key things protecting people during their transit. There are accounts of deceased folks whose consciousness doesn't know they are even dead.
  • (Saki): There was a movie "Sixth Sense" from the early 2000's that explores the issue ofpeople who don't know they are dead.
  • (RedFox): In the context of war, I'd imagine a lot of folks, in their dying breaths, are calling out for anyone to save them. In their desperate state, they lower their guards and perhaps make them easier to be abducted. I heard that walls of fire imagery represents the TDARM, so try to avoid it.
• (polly): Shares an article regarding Celtic traits: Understanding the Complex Genetics Behind Red Hair – From Ancient Origins to Modern Expressions
• (RedFox): Notice that in the Independence Day movie, the people who welcomed the aliens were destroyed.
• (Pecha): Perhaps this transfer of enlightenment frequency graduation tasked to Thor's Pantheum is projecting this into creative people to create media that slowly awakens people.

For Next Time
We will likely continue with the "The Undergrounders" on page 178, which is part of Part 2: Underground Bases and Civilizations in Harrison Koehli's Beyond Disclosure: Underground Bases Higher Dimensions Alien Abduction & Cryptozoology.

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[Mari]

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[Mari]

Thank you all for joining today´s workshop! It was great and intriguing discussion!

We´ve finished The Undergrounders chapter of Harrison Koehli's book Beyond Disclosure, and we´ll continue next Sunday, 14th Sep 2025, from the page 229 - hopefully covering Cattle Mutilations and Alien Nutrition.

Here is the folder with audios and videos of the workshops.
The Undergrounders Part 1: audio and video.
The Undergrounders Part 2: audio and video.

Have a nice week and see you next time!

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The links to what was discussed today:

Read Laura´s review of the L. Picknett and C. Prince’s The Stargate Conspiracy book: The Stargate Conspiracy

The lecture given by the Picknett and Prince for the 20th anniversary of The Stargate Conspiracy book; The Nine Deception | 20 Years of The Stargate Conspiracy:

The Nine and Roddenberry; from series Ancient Aliens: Is "Star Trek" Real? (S11, E8):

The Cs session on Oct 20th 1994:

Q: What were Atlantean drone workers?
A: Slave people controlled by crystal.

Grok´s (not so good) summary of Laura´s SHOTW ch.11 on Viracocha and Sargon the Great:

https://x.com/i/grok?conversation=1964270002032325098

The underground city Derinkuyu in Turkey; from Cass Substack:

Interview with Dr. John Brandenburg on hybrids:

Art Bell discusses Human Alien Hybrids with Prof. David Jacobs:

Additional links mentioned in the chat:

• How To Use Crystals To Generate Electricity - Sciencing
• Piezoelectricity - How does it work? | What is it used for?
• https://twitter.com/x/status/1943375343710269620
• How Planned Parenthood Profits from Fetal Tissue “Donation”