Children's Chronic Rhinitis

meadow_wind

Jedi Council Member
Hello,

My 12 yrs old daughter has had chronic rhinitis for 3 years now and I need help because I don't know what to do anymore.
Right now, she's having a bad episode and missed the whole school week last week, her friend's birthday, and her 2 aerial circus classes on the weekend. No one else got sick but her in the household. Her school teacher said 2 other kids in her class have had similar symptoms last week.

Symptoms
On the good days, it's constant blowing of nose with tons of transparent mucus.

On the bad days, when she "catches" something like a cold or the flu (or I don't know what), the mucus doubles or triples, becomes dark yellow, the pressure creates headaches and earaches, ear tubes fill up and she can't hear well, sometimes accompanied with either low or high fever depending on the bug, she's tired and don't feel well.

She always had trouble with her ear tubes since she was a baby, although not enough to get the tube surgery.
The bad days happen at least 5-6 times a year and she ends up missing A LOT of school.


Medical appointments
Over the years, we went quite a few times to see our family doctor because I thought she had an ear infection. But each time I was told no need for antibiotics because it was viral, and it was just mucus pressure, not an ear infection.
Each time I've been told to do sinus rinses with salt water 3-4 times a day, and I was given nasal sprays, either Fluticasone Furoate or Fluticasone Propionate.

We've seen an allergy specialist who confirmed she doesn't have any allergies, except sensitivities to Dust Mites, Horses, and Cats.
She also confirmed: no hypertrophy of the nasal turbinates

Regarding Horses: she went to a horse camp for 1 week, and I thought she had caught a cold because she had a lot of transparent mucus the whole time. Now we know why...

Regarding Dust Mites: all our mattresses and pillows are encased in dust mites allergy protectors. We have HEPA air filters in our bedrooms. I vacuum with HEPA Vaccum. I wash bedding once a week, max once every 2 weeks. I have a full water tank washing machine, I let the bedding soak for 20 min to drown the mites; it saves on the hot water bill.
Possible problem: she has a loft bed and heating in the winter sends lots of dust up there. She also has too many plushies. 2 years ago, I quarantined them all in a garbage bag for the whole winter to see if there would be any improvement. Not sure if it helped or not, maybe a little bit.

Regarding cats: we have one but he's not allowed in her bedroom.

We've got an appointment tomorrow (3 dec) with our family doctor to discuss this. But up to now, he's been pretty useless.
We've got an appointment with an ORL (Otolaryngologist) on 27th January.


Food
I cook most meals from scratch and I try to buy mostly organic when possible.
She avoids sugar and doesn't eat much dairy.
I try to make special smoothies 2-3 times a week: Kale, blueberries, orange juice, vegan Kefir with 2 billion probiotics, avocado, Celtic salts, vegan protein powder, collagen protein powder, something similar to Green+, and Chlorella powder.
We follow most healthy guidelines everyone here already knows so I'll skip on that.


Supplements
I try to remember to give her Vit D and Omegas daily but we often miss.
She has some "kids vitamin gummies". I'm not sure they are of much help, but I thought it was better than nothing.
When sick, I give her Liposomal Vit C 1000 mg once every day or couple days.

Last week, I gave her:
3mg of ivermectin once.
Ibuprofen a couple of times to reduce inflammation
Tylenol sinuses 3-4 times to dry the mucus.
Steam bowl of water with a towel 2-3 times a day
Diffuser with a blend of antiviral/respiratory Essential oils only once
The salt water sinus rinse (homemade with salt and sodium bic), I told her 3-4 times a day but she does it only once a day...
For earaches, I told her to chew gum, stretch and massage her neck, and do the Valsalva maneuver.


Today, I did a quick Forum Search with the keyword "chronic rhinitis"
I found little help other than this page: Chronic Sinusitis: Beyond the Neti Pot
This post: Iodine and Potassium Iodide
and this post and related previous answers: Iodine and Potassium Iodide

I'm still clueless as to what is happening with her. My instinct tells me her immune system is compromised.
She has an iPad always opened under her bed. I've asked her to shut it down or "airplane mode" it at night.
 
As you did not mention, I believe she still has the tonsils and adenoids. You mentioned about the mucus getting yellow, that is a sign of infection and requires antibiotics. Tonsils can develop frequent bacterial infections so do adenoids. A good ENT can recommend surgery if required. You mentioned the nasal fluids and perhaps congestion. That to me points to dry environment and inflamation created by irritants (dust, draft or draughts, and all other external factors.)
I had as a child the tonsils and adenoids removed. My daughters had both their tonsils and adenoids removed. My granddaughters, both, have the same problems like your daughter. They are 2.5 and 6. They will probably get their tonsils out as well.
Regarding the allergies perhaps another line of inquiry should be hystamine intolerance (similar symptoms, called pseudoallergy). I do not have allergies, but dust and smoking are giving me almost all your daughter's symptoms. Antihistamines do help, but it is always best to determine the toxic/irritant factor and get the right treatment (aka dosage).
Good luck and take care for both.
 
As you did not mention, I believe she still has the tonsils and adenoids.
Yes, she has all her body parts ;)
Our doctor never prescribes antibiotics unless the situation is dire. The yellow stuff or the fact that it is a recurring problem never seemed to have alerted him one bit. The ORL referral didn't even come from him... it came from the allergy specialist.
 
Yes, she has all her body parts ;)
Our doctor never prescribes antibiotics unless the situation is dire. The yellow stuff or the fact that it is a recurring problem never seemed to have alerted him one bit. The ORL referral didn't even come from him... it came from the allergy specialist.
Then you square the doctor in the eyes and ask for blood tests. If the white cells are elevated then there is an infection, to which he must prescribe antibiotics as treatment. If he is still persisting on the 'policy' line, you change doctor.
At the end of the day the ORL specialist will be more in the position to help, including with the ear problems.
 
You say that as if it were nothing.

She cannot have animals in the house, no excuses.

You have to ventilate very well every day and the place where she sleeps must be free of anything that accumulates dust.

The clothes she wears must be washed even if they are clean, simply by being in a drawer for a month they accumulate mites and as soon as she puts them on she will get rhinitis.

In any closed place with carpet or with people wearing winter clothes that have been stored for a long time in the summer, she will develop rhinitis and the allergic symptoms.

Once it starts it does not stop and the viruses take advantage of the lowered defenses so many colds and flu develop as a consequence of the allergic crisis.

If you can go on a trip to a mountain, from 1500 meters of altitude there are no dust mites.

The improvement is immediate.

And if she is not allergic to bees, fresh royal jelly helps with this issue, on the web there is a lot of information about this with a click.

In short.

There can be no animals.

No, absolutely not.

Everything used and around it should be recently washed.

Closed spaces such as cinemas, for example, with carpets in winter, are simply terrible.

And once the crisis starts, it can last a long time.
 
Please ask your doctor for a complete list of treatment apart from antibiotics, like: analgesic, anti-pyretic, non-steroidal anti-inflammatory, anti- hystamine, probiotics (tablets or syrup), nose drops and ear drops.
Also, ask the doctor for a follow up visit for the last day of antibiotics (3 or 5 depending on the type of antibiotic, and dosage for the course) to check whether the treatment needs to be extended.
 
And if she is not allergic to bees, fresh royal jelly helps with this issue, on the web there is a lot of information about this with a click.

In short.

There can be no animals.
Thanks, I'll look for Royal Jelly tomorrow. But I'm afraid we can't get rid of the cat though. We'll quarantine the plushies first 😉

Once it starts it does not stop and the viruses take advantage of the lowered defenses so many colds and flu develop as a consequence of the allergic crisis.
Makes sense! I was wondering about this but I wasn't sure.


Please ask your doctor for a complete list of treatment apart from antibiotics, like: analgesic, anti-pyretic, non-steroidal anti-inflammatory, anti- hystamine, probiotics (tablets or syrup), nose drops and ear drops.
Noted! Good idea :)
 
Personally, I had rhinitis and chronic otitis throughout my life. They were going to remove my adenoids and tonsils because they were constantly inflamed, but given my weakness and complications during the operation, only the adenoids were removed.
I improved a little as I got older, physical exercise helped me along with acquiring a greater tolerance to the cold, but what had the definitive impact on me in terms of the fact that I have practically never gotten sick for years was giving up dairy products (I use butter occasionally) and other dietary adjustments. You say that your daughter consumes very little dairy products. How much is very little in her case?
 
I´m very sorry to read about your daughter, @meadow_wind. :hug2:

I don´t have a running nose but I have a stuffed nose, which is like a constant for years now, ever since I´ve got 2 sinus infections in a short period of time, and the only thing that helped me so far with relieving it is NAC. As long as I take NAC regularly, the stuffing is not bad.

It is a good idea to see the doctor and get to the bottom of it. It sounds like some allergy to me, but I´m no doctor so take that with a grain of salt.


Also I noticed you´ve mentioned kale; kale is high in oxalates, and high oxalate levels can also cause allergies. See i.e. this article:

The other thing you might consider is salicylate intolerance
2-4 percent of outpatients attending allergy clinics, 2 percent of those with Crohn's disease, 7 percent of those with ulcerative colitis, and 15-20 percent of those who attend ear, nose and throat clinics are salicylate intolerant.

Also, check for mold in the house and do a test if maybe she has a fungus in her nose.
...mold and fungus, not bacteria, are the most common causes of infection. A colleague of mine, who is an eye, nose and throat specialist, X-rayed a patient's sinuses and found large oxalate crystals in her sinuses, which disappeared after anti-fungal treatment.


On a spiritual level, nose and allergy problems are symptoms of:
Allergies (See: Hay Fever): Who are you allergic to? Denying your own power.
Affirmation: The world is safe and friendly. I am safe. I am at peace with life.

Nose: Represents self-recognition.
Affirmation: I recognize my own intuitive ability.

Bleeds: A need for recognition. Feeling unrecognized and unnoticed. Crying for love.
Affirmation: I love and approve of myself. I recognize my own true worth. I am wonderful.

Runny: Asking for help. Inner crying.
Affirmation: I love and comfort myself in ways that are pleasing to me.

Stuffy:Not recognizing the self-worth.
Affirmation: I love and appreciate myself.

Sinus Problems (Sinusitis): Irritation to one person, someone close.
Affirmation: I declare peace and harmony indwell me and surround me at all times. All is well.

I hope your daughter gets better soon! :hug: to her!
 
meadow-wind, I second what Mari suggested above with NAC- it is great for breaking up mucous. Cutting out all dairy & gluten might help too, even if it is just for a little while to see if that helps with the excess mucous. The allergy tests have shown that she is allergic to pet dander, but there could be some level of intolerance to both dairy & gluten, which could be exacerbating her symptoms.

I used echinacea on my kids when they were little for colds or being run down to boost their immune system. We still use that now- it’s our go to remedy for colds/flu, along with elderberry & olive leaf.

Have you tried a non-drowsy antihistamine? Even just for temporary relief.

Edit- added: A blood test might be an idea too, just to rule our elevated markers for infection
 
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