Civil War in Ukraine: Western Empire vs Russia

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It is awful to watch these pictures and videos.

_http://ersieesist.livejournal.com/813.html which was quoted above there is a youtube in Russian _http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w7DLMvsHmcI#t=14 where they say that 116 people died. Then on this page which you need to translate from Russian: _http://vlad-dolohov.livejournal.com/876486.html there are other numbers like 126, 160 and then there is one source which lists a number of 216 in the basement alone, men, women and children, another source lists 300. One FB page is quoted as saying that 2000 Right sector people showed up Monday to clean up the place. It is terrible and painful.
 
thorbiorn said:
It is awful to watch these pictures and videos.

_http://ersieesist.livejournal.com/813.html which was quoted above there is a youtube in Russian _http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w7DLMvsHmcI#t=14 where they say that 116 people died. Then on this page which you need to translate from Russian: _http://vlad-dolohov.livejournal.com/876486.html there are other numbers like 126, 160 and then there is one source which lists a number of 216 in the basement alone, men, women and children, another source lists 300. One FB page is quoted as saying that 2000 Right sector people showed up Monday to clean up the place. It is terrible and painful.

As for the exact number of victims, it is unknown yet, because the relatives said that some dying people were taken by the police and are considered missing now..
 
The article is posted on SOTT:
http://www.sott.net/article/278522-The-truth-about-what-happened-in-Odessa-Ukraine-How-Bandera-psychopaths-murdered-raped-and-burned-people-alive-with-the-blessing-of-the-Western-powers
 
Keit said:
The article is posted on SOTT:
http://www.sott.net/article/278522-The-truth-about-what-happened-in-Odessa-Ukraine-How-Bandera-psychopaths-murdered-raped-and-burned-people-alive-with-the-blessing-of-the-Western-powers

Oh my god... Please save their souls...
 
Keit said:
Laura said:
Ark says this site is interesting: http://www.discred.ru/

It's in Russian. Can anybody tell us what is going on there? Anything worth translating?

Interesting indeed! Lots of good material, so hard to choose. But if to take something recent and relevant, that the link Axxel mentioned would be a good choice. It is very disturbing, especially the pictures in the livejournal link. They were also included in the photo file that were just posted by Lumiere_du_C ode Jedi here.

Axxel said:
On a site _http://www.discred.ru
Reference from this article _http://www.discred.ru/news/zonderkomanda_vozmozhno_v_odesskom_dome_profsojuzov_vse_bylo_gorazdo_uzhasnej/2014-05-05-5599
to other article, with an English-speaking variant:
_http://ersieesist.livejournal.com/813.html
But there strong nerves are necessary.

As for what this is all about, here is a link to translation of his sort of "about us" page. Sounds interesting to me. He surely encourages people to think. And judging by the text I can understand why Ark liked it. :)

I've just started the translation of the article at http://www.discred.ru/news/zonderkomanda_vozmozhno_v_odesskom_dome_profsojuzov_vse_bylo_gorazdo_uzhasnej/2014-05-05-5599. Perhaps we should coordinate it at sott_translate user group?
 
Altair said:
Keit said:
The article is posted on SOTT:
http://www.sott.net/article/278522-The-truth-about-what-happened-in-Odessa-Ukraine-How-Bandera-psychopaths-murdered-raped-and-burned-people-alive-with-the-blessing-of-the-Western-powers

Oh my god... Please save their souls...

That is completely horrifying!! Those torturers are beyond cruel! They don't qualify as human and neither does anyone who ignore what is really happening there...
 
Altair said:
Perhaps we should coordinate it at sott_translate user group?

Yes, sure, is there a link to this group or are you suggesting to create one? I'm still a newbie, not familiar with all of the SoTT functions yet :-[.
 
Altair said:
Hi Siberia,

there is separate thread for that: http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,12953.0/topicseen.html. Just post that you would like to volunteer and which languages you'd like to translate from/into. In the meantime I suggest that people currently translating articles from Russian into English should just post it here which article is currently in progress. I hope it's ok with everybody?

Ok, thanks, Altair.

I'm currently translating this file: http://aftershock.su/?q=node/227827.
 
Keit said:
The article is posted on SOTT:
http://www.sott.net/article/278522-The-truth-about-what-happened-in-Odessa-Ukraine-How-Bandera-psychopaths-murdered-raped-and-burned-people-alive-with-the-blessing-of-the-Western-powers

Good job, Keit! That's so unbelievably horrible...
 
Kniall said:
Jefferson said:
This is getting more and more painful watch by the day :(

That being said, thanks to all of you for contributing to this thread.

As much as I hate seeing people suffer, I think I'm feeling more hope than ever by this turn of events in Ukraine.

Not a fool's hope though. The world is still on course to be engulfed in flames. Just a sense of hope that comes with the kinda global mirroring process Russia's actions have brought about.

Not quite sure how to express it :/

Painful, awful, horrible, depressing...

Hope !!! Hoping that the Universe would do its clean-up pretty soon.
 
Gandalf said:
Kniall said:
Jefferson said:
This is getting more and more painful watch by the day :(

That being said, thanks to all of you for contributing to this thread.

As much as I hate seeing people suffer, I think I'm feeling more hope than ever by this turn of events in Ukraine.

Not a fool's hope though. The world is still on course to be engulfed in flames. Just a sense of hope that comes with the kinda global mirroring process Russia's actions have brought about.

Not quite sure how to express it :/

Painful, awful, horrible, depressing...

Hope !!! Hoping that the Universe would do its clean-up pretty soon.


I hope so too and poor people and families.
 
Keit said:
The article is posted on SOTT:
http://www.sott.net/article/278522-The-truth-about-what-happened-in-Odessa-Ukraine-How-Bandera-psychopaths-murdered-raped-and-burned-people-alive-with-the-blessing-of-the-Western-powers
Thank you Keit, I reposted the link to an online newspaper.


From the Russian channel vesti there is in broken Google English
_http://www.vesti.ru/doc.html?id=1549853&tid=105474 said:
It was a planned attack, militants and violence is not random, observers believe. Analyzing the events of recent weeks, many recall that not so long ago came to Odessa famous oligarch Igor Kolomoisky.
[...]
"Near Odessa in sanatoriums lives some 1,400 mercenaries, usually of" hundreds of Maidan ", ie former lumpen who are now distributed weapons and documents. They are called the National Guard, but as they were criminals, so they remained. Basically it natives or the countryside, or Galicia, Lviv region. Taking advantage of an opportune moment - the arrival in Odessa for the match Kharkov "Metalist" to Odessa "Chernomorets" some quantity of Kharkiv fans - took to the streets and these people who like waiting in the wings "- says Vershinin.

Locals confirm the words to redeploy fighters nationalists in Odessa. They were imported under the guise of fans, and they just flooded the city during the attack on the House of Trade Unions.

"What Odessites? Did you know that under the guise of two fans brought? On the same boast. And we saw ourselves at 2am, then they shouted. And two more buses arrived, when all were dead. Since then they have there went there still trashed, "- said the woman, survivor of the massacre.
About Igor Kolomoisky one can read here: _http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ihor_Kolomoyskyi
RT reports that the Jews of Odessa feel insecure: _http://rt.com/news/156792-odessa-jews-evacuation-plans/ Kolomoyskyi may need to sponsor them too.
 
Here is my translation of the file posted by Lumiere_du_Code. It is the blogger's analysis of the situation in Odessa:

Bloody sadism in Odessa

May 5, 2014, Blogger: Homo 2.0

A simple comparison allows suggesting that several (six at least) groups participated in the conflict with different not entirely clear purposes:

1) Federalization supporters. They were near the tents. On May 2, when Slavyansk was attacked, the stream-channel of the operation center repeatedly asked gathering in Odessa near the tents [at the Kulikovo Field] to support Slavyansk saying: “everything is ready for you there”. The meeting was announced as some peaceful action, not a fight. The stream also reported that 15 carriages with gunmen (900 people) http://aftershock.su/?q=comment/951252#comment-951252 {in Russian} and many buses with “football fans” were arriving in Odessa. Those who were sent to check this info thoughtlessly declared on air that those were “ordinary fans”, although the Right Sector announced the Night of Long Knives http://aftershock.su/?q=comment/951357#comment-951357 {in Russian}. Now it looks strange, but back then there was such a mess and though everyone noticed the announcements, they didn’t get alarmed. Now it is clear that those people were called up as unprepared flesh as they announced their stupid toothless ultimatums http://aftershock.su/?q=comment/951252#comment-951252 {in Russian}, thus irritating the government and opponents.

2) Maidan supporters. These guys came armed and shielded, their channels especially emphasized that they should “have shields with them”. They comprised the major group and were ready to kill. The major group also includes football fans who came furious but ill-equipped. I think they didn’t plan to kill at first. It’s all as usual yet.

Then something strange comes:

3) Some group of mobile fighters whose equipment looked confusing for both sides appeared several times causing disorder, attacking and then disappearing. Both sides of the conflict mention this group and both say that this group belongs to the opponent (intentional provocation).

4) Some shooters armed with guns and rifles. It’s hard to say what kind of weapon was that: air guns, strike-balls, traumatics or combat weapons. Both sides again say that the group belongs to the opponent (boldly pretending to be anonymous snipers!).

5) Police. They joined the crowd unprepared (didn’t have enough shields) and were simply hanging around instead of performing their function: separating the groups of opponents. They didn’t realize that they looked like awkward clowns.

6) But among the police, when the blaze started, there appeared some very fast people who started separating “Odessa citizens” from others and throwing all the rest people “to the wolves”. This group also includes the firemen who surrendered their vehicle first and then were shuffling to arrive, although the fire station was near the House of Trade (150 meters away)! Keep in mind that both police and firemen are half-military organizations and one cannot simply seize their vehicle.

Groups 3, 4 and 6 played consciously and are linked to their employer, while all the rest were playing anonymously.

A question arises: why and who is the beneficiary?

One comes to interesting conclusions here. All the episodes sound logical and consistent if one suggests that the Right Sector, alleged “federalists”, police and provocators were governed by the single master who aims at maximum bloodshed and civil war and chaos. This is the minimum goal. The maximum goal is forcing Russia to intervene.

Russian version: http://aftershock.su/?q=node/227827.

My opinion (maybe wrong): this was an SBU/CIA-planned terrorist attack which was primarily aimed at 1) making Odessa people scared and obedient; 2) blaming Russia for this attack.
 
Keit said:
The article is posted on SOTT:
http://www.sott.net/article/278522-The-truth-about-what-happened-in-Odessa-Ukraine-How-Bandera-psychopaths-murdered-raped-and-burned-people-alive-with-the-blessing-of-the-Western-powers

I happened to be reading a piece on Veterans Today about Ukraine and leaked emails:
_http://www.veteranstoday.com/2014/03/15/caught-us-planning-terror-attacks-in-ukraine/

when this was just posted, reflecting SOTT's article.

Kiev and Right Sector Kristallnacht Odessa…Extreme Graphics
_http://www.veteranstoday.com/2014/05/05/kiev-and-right-sector-kristallnacht-odessa-extreme-graphics/

Monday, May 5th, 2014
Video on the real Odessa massacre by Pravy Sektor
Links below for all photos and video
by F. William Engdahl
… and an Odessa eyewitness to the bestial May 2 massacre
 
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