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There was this bit of interesting news that reminded me little about the exploding air conditioner that took out a whole convoy of armed vehicles around the 1st of September:
_https://southfront.org/headquarters-of-the-ukrainian-armed-forces-exploded-near-donetsk/

Headquarters of the Ukrainian Armed Forces Exploded near Donetsk

A headquarters of the Ukrainian Armed Forces, located in Krasnogorovka village (Yasinovatskiy district) in the occupied territory of the Donetsk People’s Republic (DPR), exploded, a famous veteran of the DPR’s Militia, Anatoliy Gelyukh, said.

“The headquarters of the Ukrainian Armed Forces in the village of Krasnogorovka in Yasinovatskiy district is dead in the water,” he said.

According to Gelyukh, the headquarters “exploded for some unknown reason with its staff.”

Meanwhile, the People’s Militia of the Luhansk People’s Republic (LPR) reported that its sappers have cleared a section of the railway in a buffer zone near the village of Donetsk, the Luhansk information center reported, citing unnamed sources in the LPR Defense Department. According to the sources, the works of the sappers was complicated by the fact that this section of the railway is located in the buffer zone, in the visibility of units of the Ukrainian Army.

LPR’s sappers successfully cleared the railway from explosive devices, left behind by the Ukrainian Armed Forces, and ensured a safe movement of trains. “However, the People’s Militia cannot guarantee the safety of the railway, located further, in the direction, controlled by units of the Ukrainian Armed Forces,” the center quoted the words of the representatives of the the People’s Militia.

_http://www.fort-russ.com/2016/09/trump-ignores-meeting-invitation-from.html
Trump ignores meeting invitation from Poroshenko

Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump’s headquarters ignored an invitation from Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko to meet in New York during the UN General Assembly, Foreign Policy writes.

According to the publication’s sources, the Ukrainian leader’s administration appealed with the request to meet to both US presidential candidates, Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump. Clinton agreed and met with Poroshenko on Monday.

No reply was received from Trump. The candidate’s headquarters did not comment on the situation, Foreign Policy notes.

According to the schedule of planned events, the billionaire does not intent to meet with Poroshenko.
Well, it is hard to hold it against him ;)
 
COUP THWARTED: Kiev fails at plot in LPR - Full Coverage Exclusive
http://www.fort-russ.com/2016/09/coup-thwarted-kiev-fails-at-plot-in-lpr.html

LATEST UPDATE: Motorola and his Sparta battalion have been transferred to the LPR to provide anti-coup security.

In the Lugansk People’s Republic, a coup d’etat attempt has been thwarted. This was stated in a video address on September 20th by LPR head Igor Plotnitsky.

Plotnitsky also revealed the plans of the conspirators to be provoking mass protests and arranging the entry of the Ukrainian army onto the republic’s territory.

“There was another attempt, so to speak, at a coup, but the point was not the fact of a coup in the LPR itself as much as creating a precedent with which to outrage the Ukrainian people, and then have the Ukrainian army sent in. We worked ahead of the curve, and we know everything perfectly well,” he said.

“We know those internal enemies and those who have patrons, perhaps even in the Russian Federation,” Plotnitsky emphasized. He concluded: “They did not succeed. We worked, and we will work. The republic has already long since held its own.”

Back on August 6th, an assassination attempt was made on the LPR leader when a land mine was placed under his car. Igor Plotnitsky was wounded, but within two days he was discharged from the hospital and returned to work. According to the report of Lugansk law enforcement forces, the attempt was committed by a Ukrainian saboteur group.

"Yes, there is a Fifth Column"

Sergey Litvin, a member of the LPR head’s Public Council, an LPR army captain, the ex-minister of agriculture and food production, and the former deputy chairman of the ministerial council of the LPR, assesses the statement of the republic’s leader as a desire not to hide existing problems from people. He believes that a “fifth column” stands behind the coup attempt.

Litvin told Svobodnaya Pressa: “Yes, there is a fifth column, and a war is raging. In this context, there has been collaboration between some government officials and the former elites and, perhaps, the Ukrops.

Nevertheless, I believe that a UAF invasion is unrealistic. We have an efficient army, the People’s Militia. As for the personages standing behind this attempt, the republic’s head has not named them, and this means work is ongoing on outing them. I can only guess that these are some of the former thieves trying to push the head of the republic out.”

Litvin continued: “When the National Council approved my resignation, I said: ‘I was and remain a Soldier of the Empire, a Soldier of the Republic, and I am ready to carry out any order of the Supreme Command!.’ But my resignation was voluntary. Working for the state service, I spent all the resources I had worked for before the war, but others got in differently and now they’re itching for more. But I’ll repeat: this does not affect the capability of our army. In fact, the Ukrops understand that they can’t take us head on, and so they will fight against us in every other possible way, stealthily…”

Plotnitsky vs. the security services?

In a comment given to Svobodnaya Pressa, a deputy of the National Council of the LPR who wished to remain anonymous was skeptical about the head of the republic’s statement. He said:

"This statement is very seriously doubted within the republic. There are many uncertainties. First: whom does this coup benefit? According to the Constitution, if Plotnitsky is overthrown, then authority passes to the head of the parliament, but this is Plotnitsky’s guy. He is hardly likely to participate in a conspiracy. Another figure who could legally occupy the position of head of the republic is Prime Minister Sergey Kozlov, the former chief of staff of the People’s Militia, and this man has repeatedly proven his loyalty to the LPR. It is also difficult to suggest that he would welcome in occupation forces.”

“The sound of this message is first and foremost another warning signal, primarily for the security forces who have been regularly subjected to criticism since the assassination attempt on Plotnitsky. This is the minister of state security, Leonid Pasechnik, and the minister of internal affairs, Igor Kornet. But these are the people who are now opposing the Kiev junta and their agents of influence the most effectively. Plotnitsky frequently criticizes them, not only behind the scenes, but also publicly. Moreover, there have been attempts to express distrust for security forces even through the parliament and attempts to replace them with loyal officials,” the deputy said.

The anonymous politician continued: “The hint at patrons in Russia says that Plotnitsky is going to continue to make such statements to discredit the security services and concentrate the republic’s direction in his own hands. So far, avoiding such ‘leaderism’ has been successful only thanks to the activities of the security services. On the other hand, if the coup attempt failed, then only officers of the Ministry of State Security could have been the ones that stopped it.”

“Lately, Plotnitsky has been very weary of excessive tutelage from Russia, so he is most likely hinting towards the Russian advisers that visit him so often. So we are probably dealing with a political coup rather than a coup d’etat…” the deputy concluded.

When "coup" means "stay on your toes"

Political analyst and ex-information minister of the LPR, Yuri Pershikov, does not believe that the scenario described by Plotnitsky is real:

“Even in the event of a coup, power would be concentrated either in the hands of the head of parliament or the prime minister, and these are tested, loyal people. It shouldn’t be forgotten that there is also the headquarters of the People’s Militia. In order to let in the Ukrainian army, one would have to disband our own troops, which means several brigades in a matter of a minute plus the territorial defense battalions and the militia. I don’t think that they would happily and joyfully welcome those who have been terrorizing their land, creating difficulties for them and their families, and decimating the population for a few years already. Overall, the scenario of a coup including the entry of Ukrainian troops is, in my opinion, unlikely. There is a sufficient number of factors preventing such a scenario.”

Svobodnaya Pressa: “So what is this statement about?”

Pershikov: “Perhaps this is an attempt to once again mobilize law enforcement, carry out drills, and once again keep them from relaxing during the election primaries. Are provocations possible? Undoubtedly, and this is why vigilance is required on the part of all law enforcement structures. In short, I’m inclined to think that such a statement bears the character of pre-election rhetoric.”

Svobodnaya Pressa: “What about the “fifth column”” or hidden sympathizers of the Ukrainian government?”

Pershikov: “Of course they exist in both government organs and security structures. We are dealing with a classic civil war, and it is hard to understand what factors influence such people whose relatives live on both sides of the contact line.

"These are mainly bureaucrats, and bureaucrats are a class that can work for any government. We saw this in Crimea as well, where the most active ‘Eurointegrators’ and supporters of Yulia Tymoshenko and ‘Our Ukraine’ then quite effectively fulfilled the tasks set by Russia’s top leadership. God forbid that Ukraine will come again and they’ll repent once again just to get their next ministerial portfolios.

"Donbass is no exception. Even today there are still sympathizers with Ukraine, but they are not formidable enough to launch coup d’etats since they have no support. They have no resources, whether military or financial. In addition, the intelligence services have begun working over the past few years since independence from Ukraine. That the republic’s head announced that the coup was thwarted once again speaks to the efficiency of the republic’s Ministry of State Security.”

Who is to blame?

Political analyst Eduard Popov says: “I am not revealing any big secret by saying that LPR head Igor Plotnitsky does not enjoy great authority among the republic’s population, unlike DPR head Alexander Zakharchenko, who is much more popular in the republic and abroad.”

“Therefore, Plotnitsky constantly needs reminders that he is useful and independent. The recent failed assassination attempt on Plotnitsky objectively increased his popularity, as the very fact of its preparation attested that the LPR head poses a threat to Ukrainian authorities. Of course, no evidence of a thwarted coup d’etat will be presented, as this subject is too ‘specific’ for evidence,” Popov posited.

Svobodnaya Pressa: “In your opinion, how realistic is the coup scenario described by Plotnitsky?”

Popov: “In my opinion, the scenario described by Plotnitsky is quite realistic. Discontent among the population of the LPR is a reality to be reckoned with. Overall, life in the republic for people is very difficult, and this is largely tied to the quality of public administration and the state of the economy.

"According to the sources I have, the situation in the LPR is much worse than in the neighboring DPR. If it weren’t for the humanitarian aid from Russia, then things would be even much worse. Thus, there is a social basis for protest. The Ukrainian side is not sleeping, and treats any discontent, whether social or economic, as nostalgia for a ‘united Ukraine.’ There are such patriots of ‘united Ukraine’ in the republics as well. This is the ‘fifth column.’ Therefore, it can be assumed that any kind of large protest would be used by Ukraine as a springboard for breaking the republics from within.

“It should be recognized right away that the leadership of both republics has done more than a little that has contributed to the emergence and spread of discontent. This is especially true for the situation in the LPR. Just a year ago, we read about the scandalous arrest of the LPR’s minister of fuel, energy, and mining industry, Dmitry Lyamin. This figure, appointed to his post by Plotnitsky, was selling coal to Ukraine. Moreover, as those informed of the situation in the LPR have affirmed, he acted with Plotnitsky’s consent. Lyamin’s arrest occurred while Plotnitsky was absent from the republic and caused great dissatisfaction with his leadership. Instead of going to the republic’s budget, coal was being supplied to Nazi Ukraine. This is not politics, just pure business. Therefore, if there are any forces in Ukraine interested in a coup d’etat in Lugansk, it is those officers and officials who have common business with corrupt officials in the LPR.

"It is objectively profitable for some forces in the LPR’s ruling circles to cover up their own incompetence and corruption with the machinations of a foreign enemy. The Poroshenko regime acts similarly when it blames all its failures on Russia.

"In addition, Ukraine is actively pushing its agents into various government positions in the DPR and LPR. As my friends in the republics tell me, former Ukrainian employees are present in such structures as the Ministry of Internal Affairs, the customs service, and the tax bureau.

"In 2014-2015, I frequently crossed the border into the DPR. First, there were volunteer militiamen guarding the border. Then, according to my partners from the DPR, they were replaced by former Ukrainian customs officers. As my friends from Donetsk and Lugansk report, there are many Ukrainians, and even SBU employees, in both republics' ministries of state security. This is resultant of both the lack of professional cadres as well as the ruling organs of the DPR and LPR’s blunders. The situation is especially desperate in the LPR even though there are no strong pro-Ukrainian sentiments in the republic. Such exist only among a certain layer of managers. The state and security apparatus, of course, need to be purged, and radically.”

Svobodnaya Pressa: “What about the ‘patrons from the Russian Federation?’ Who are they?”

Popov: “It’s difficult for me to say who Plotnitsky had in mind when he spoke of ‘internal enemies in the Russian Federation.’ Perhaps he meant those forces in the establishment that are ready to betray Donbass for the sake of profitable business with Ukraine and the ‘international community.’ There is certainly an abundance of such people in our leadership and especially among the oligarchs. But the hard line of President Putin is supported mainly by the security agencies, while the liberal-Westernist party dreams of returning to the ‘single family of nations’ headed by the US. There is no doubt that these forces are acting or can act in tandem with the Ukrainians. Perhaps this is whom Plotnitsky had in mind.”

Svobodnaya Pressa: “Will there be more attempts? How ready are the republics for them? Is Plotnitsky exaggerating in saying that ‘they did not succeed; the republic has long since held its own’?”

Popov: “I think that the greatest threat for the republics are not conspiracies organized from the outside, but the incompetence and corruption of their own ‘elites.’ With literally few exceptions, there is a layer of politicians in both republics that don’t stand up to criticism. And this layer is incompetent even in comparison to neighboring Ukraine, whose political level is well known. I’ll repeat myself once again: the Donbass republics are repeating the experience of the Ukrainian matrix.

As regards the final part of your question, Plotnitsky is right. Lugansk and Donetsk will never return to Ukraine. And Ukrainians have only themselves to blame for this.


Russia Reactivates Artillery Systems: moves them to Ukraine border
http://www.fort-russ.com/2016/09/just-in-case-russia-reactivates-moves.html

By the end of this year, two self-propelled high-power artillery divisions will be formed in one of the Southern Military District’s artillery units. One division will be equipped with 240-,, self-propelled Tulipan mortars and the second will be armed with 203-mm 2C7M Malka self-propelled artillery installations.

The highlight of the report by the Southern Military District’s press service is that we are dealing with quite old systems, a large part of which were pulled back into reserve in the 1990’s. Even a glance at the photo at the top of this article is enough to understand that we are talking about quite aged weapons systems.

Nevertheless, these are heavy-duty installations which still do not have any equivalent artillery analogues and are still of significant military value. This is true especially considering their undergoing modernization, which increases their accuracy at hitting targets located at a distance of dozens of kilometers.

Putting these artillery systems back in operation might indicate a certain adjustment in the plans of deploying Russian armed forces on the border with Ukraine given the extreme uncertainty of the military and political situation and the possibility of “surprises” from our so-called “Western partners.”

The risk of an unpredictable turn of events is probably being considered by the Russian command as highly relevant insofar as, along with planned rearming of the army with new military equipment, the military has resorted to increasing the combat power of troops by reactivating the arsenals of, albeit old, formidable weapons.

This is being done despite the fact that the most important benchmark of the current state program on rearming the army is none other than the distribution of new equipment. This might spoil a few planned indicators. But, apparently, the reality of the situation is such that these indicators are no longer seen as the main priority.
 
Aeneas said:
_http://www.fort-russ.com/2016/09/trump-ignores-meeting-invitation-from.html
Trump ignores meeting invitation from Poroshenko

Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump’s headquarters ignored an invitation from Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko to meet in New York during the UN General Assembly, Foreign Policy writes.

According to the publication’s sources, the Ukrainian leader’s administration appealed with the request to meet to both US presidential candidates, Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump. Clinton agreed and met with Poroshenko on Monday.

No reply was received from Trump. The candidate’s headquarters did not comment on the situation, Foreign Policy notes.

According to the schedule of planned events, the billionaire does not intent to meet with Poroshenko.
Well, it is hard to hold it against him ;)

Poroshenko is too busy to meet Trump
http://novorossia.today/poroshenko-is-too-busy-to-meet-trump/

The president Pyotr Poroshenko announced that he could not meet candidate to presidents of the USA Donald Trump, because their schedules did not coincide.

The president of Ukraine stated that Trump did not refuse of meeting with him. And he pointed out that Ukraine is supported both by Democrats and Republicans.

Earlier it was reported by the USA Mass Media that Trump ignored the invitation of Poroshenko to meet in New York.
 
On Thursday, the US House of Representatives approved a draft of the 'Stability and Democracy for Ukraine Act', which would allow lethal weapons to be delivered to the country. According to Russian experts, the question now is: will the Senate and the White House approve a bill which has the potential to reignite the civil war in eastern Ukraine?

Kiev Moves One Step Closer to Getting Deadly Arsenal From US
https://sputniknews.com/politics/20160923/1045629898/ukraine-lethal-us-weapons-pending-approval.html

Earlier this week, speaking with members of the Ukrainian-American community in New York, Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko suggested that US-Ukrainian military cooperation over the past two-and-a-half years has demonstrated that Ukraine can be trusted with US lethal weaponry. Noting that Ukraine's "new professional army" does not conduct "wars of conquest," Poroshenko emphasized that Americans should feel it "absolutely safe to provide lethal weapons" to his country. "We will fight for our land to the last drop of blood," the president added.

On Thursday, Poroshenko's wish came one step closer to becoming a reality. The draft bill of the US House-approved Stability and Democracy for Ukraine Act provides for 'endless sanctions' against Russia, calling for the "full implementation of the Minsk agreements" (to which Russia is not even a party) and the "restoration of Ukrainian sovereignty over Crimea." Most significantly for Kiev, the bill also approves granting the provision of 'lethal defensive weapons' to Ukraine.

If approved by the Senate, the bill would land on President Barack Obama's desk for signature. Accordingly, Russian experts are asking whether the White House would really be irresponsible enough to take such a step, which could reignite the deadly civil war that has ravaged eastern Ukraine's Donetsk and Lugansk regions over the past two years.

"From the outset, Western officials assumed that the Minsk agreements meant that Russia would quietly give up Donbass under the guise of implementing these agreements. This is precisely what they are demanding from us," the analyst noted. "Russia has a completely different understanding of Minsk, which includes a decentralized Ukraine, the creation of a real democracy, instead of the pro-Western one [which] engages in the violent suppression of all anti-Western forces."

Alexandrov explained that Russian authorities continue to hope that Minsk II could at least temporarily de-escalate the conflict, "freezing it for a certain period of time until the overall geopolitical situation in the world changes."

"However, I am convinced that Western countries will continue to play on Kiev's side, helping to keep the regime afloat via all sorts of handouts…And the small amounts of money required can always be found – it's not a problem."

The analyst noted that if Washington does decide to supply lethal weapons to Ukraine, it will be a violation of the Minsk agreements, since it will factually encourage Kiev to conduct combat operations. It would be the type of escalation against which Western countries have so strongly advocated against, at least verbally."

As for the bill's proposal to effectively sanction Russia indefinitely over Crimea, the analyst suggested that he can only welcome such measures. "I think that the more sanctions Western countries place on us, the better, since this cuts off the ability of any pro-Western elites in Russia to take the country in the wrong direction." Continued sanctions "would allow us to develop independently, and to build relationships with those countries which truly want to work with us…"

Sergei Markov, the director of the Moscow-based Institute of Political Studies, emphasized that Congress's decision was extremely dangerous, since it puts tens of thousands of lives at risk. "We shouldn't forget that lethal weapons have that name for a reason – their main purpose is to kill. For this reason, this is really a law promoting mass war crimes" in eastern Ukraine.

Fortunately, Markov suggested, President Obama is unlikely to sign the bill, "because he does not want to leave the Oval Office as a war president. Secondly, I think he is well aware of the ultimate futility of the adventurism of the coup in Ukraine. It was not his initiative to begin with – Vice President Joe Biden and the CIA were behind everything. Obama has long been trying to divorce himself from the subject of Ukraine."

Ultimately, the political scientist noted that Russia's position throughout the conflict in Eastern Ukraine has been too soft and diplomatic. Russian diplomats, in his view, need to emphasize that the government in Kiev has engaged in war crimes against its own population, and that providing it with lethal weapons would be a huge mistake.


Russia is concerned over the likely US supplies of lethal aid to Ukraine which would go against Washington’s obligations and conflict settlement in Donbas, the head of the Russian Foreign Ministry’s Department for Non-Proliferation and Arms Control said Friday.

Russia Concerned Over Possible US Supplies of Lethal Arms to Ukraine
https://sputniknews.com/world/20160923/1045623424/russia-ukraine-lethal-arms.html

House of Representatives of the United States, the lower house of US Congress, approved on Thursday a draft law "On support of stability and democracy in Ukraine," stipulating enhancement of sanctions against Russia and allowing supplies of lethal defensive weapons to the country.

"It cannot but cause concern, because how is it possible to combine work to restore lasting peace with lethal weapons supplies?" Mikhail Ulyanov told a press conference.

According to the official, there are multiple international documents which "presuppose the necessity of refraining from supplying deadly weapons to conflict zones."
 
US Lethal Weapons Supply Will Be the Undoing of Ukraine

http://russia-insider.com/en/politics/us-lethal-weapons-supply-will-be-undoing-ukraine/ri16641

Originally appeared at Live Journal. Translated by Julia Rakhmetova

http://pavel-shipilin.livejournal.com/626709.html

Ukraine today looks a lot like Georgia in 2008 when it attacked Russian peacekeepers in South Ossetia

The United States Congress unanimously voted to supply Ukraine with lethal weapons, which people have been asking for. If the Senate passes the law and the American President signs it, it will become much easier for Ukrainians to kill people.

Some people ask me why I write about Ukraine so often, as if we don’t have enough problems in Russia. But Ukraine is Russia’s main problem, causing many of our domestic difficulties.

We are obviously interested in the possibility that Kiev could use American lethal weapons, and we can assume they will be aimed at the Donbass, bordering the Russian Rostov Region, or even at Russia itself. That’s why I’m so interested in what Ukraine is up to.

Today’s Ukraine looks much like Georgia before 2008. Compare the rhetoric of the post-Maidan government to the speeches of Georgian ministers and the then president. Ukrainian officers, having trained in NATO countries, train army buddies on the Yavorivsky range near Lvov. Ukraine has its own Abkhazia and Southern Ossetia – the DNR and LNR, which it will attack under cover of night.

In general, “America is with us”, according to a Ukrainian officer at the beginning of the events in Crimea in 2014 — after which the peninsula was smoothly reattached to Russia.

America was with Georgia as well, and “family ties” were formed immediately. One senator even felt like a Georgian, singing “Suliko” in a soft voice over the phone. Having sized up the situation, the Sixth Fleet stayed in the Mediterranean.

Recently I was asked what would happen to Ukraine in the near future. Respected analysts predict an early collapse, a new Maidan in which aggressive Banderovites will be hanged. I think that until the “mother” is stung,–the army will be kept afloat as will a few people at the top and prosperous soldiers and officers.

As for Mother Ukraine herself, she will slowly dissolve. People will get used to living in survival mode, farming and gathering, some will plunder, others will get seasonal work in Russia and Poland. Because no one ever focused on improving their standards of living (after all, the elite has to survive, too).

One small detail: Americans will not support the Ukrainian Army if it fails to launch a war. So today it’s saving its strength. Sooner or later, it will attack someone, just as Georgian troops attacks of the sleeping Tskhinvali.

We’re likely to have to get involved in a local war again, against Poroshenko and his satraps. Of course, Ukraine, with a 40-million population, is not Georgia with its 4 million. But Russia’s Army in 2016 differs from that of Russia in 2008. Peace-enforcement is likely to last longer than five days. But there will be no occupation, Ukrainians shouldn’t expect such a happy outcome.

Infrastructure (roads, bridges, air strips) will be ruined. Weapons depots and plants, combat equipment, including aircraft, communication assets, missile defense systems, and, of course, staff offices will be destroyed. As in Georgia, Russia will try to minimize causalities.

Will the sane Ukrainian forces seize the moment? Will they be able to establish order at home, if the government is left defenseless? It will depend on sane Ukrainian forces, if there are any.

When people asked me what would happen to Ukraine, I asked them if they know the last name of the Georgian president, without looking it up in Wikipedia. I don’t remember it either – but that doesn’t matter. Georgia no longer poses any danger to Russia, so neither the media nor the blogosphere write about it. No one is interested in this independent country in the Caucasus Region, that produces wine and mineral water.

Ukraine will stop being of interest to me when I am no longer able to remember the name of its president.
 
sToRmR1dR said:
US Lethal Weapons Supply Will Be the Undoing of Ukraine

http://russia-insider.com/en/politics/us-lethal-weapons-supply-will-be-undoing-ukraine/ri16641

Originally appeared at Live Journal. Translated by Julia Rakhmetova

http://pavel-shipilin.livejournal.com/626709.html

Ukraine today looks a lot like Georgia in 2008 when it attacked Russian peacekeepers in South Ossetia

The United States Congress unanimously voted to supply Ukraine with lethal weapons, which people have been asking for. If the Senate passes the law and the American President signs it, it will become much easier for Ukrainians to kill people.

We are obviously interested in the possibility that Kiev could use American lethal weapons, and we can assume they will be aimed at the Donbass, bordering the Russian Rostov Region, or even at Russia itself. That’s why I’m so interested in what Ukraine is up to.

Today’s Ukraine looks much like Georgia before 2008. Compare the rhetoric of the post-Maidan government to the speeches of Georgian ministers and the then president. Ukrainian officers, having trained in NATO countries, train army buddies on the Yavorivsky range near Lvov. Ukraine has its own Abkhazia and Southern Ossetia – the DNR and LNR, which it will attack under cover of night.


According to an LPR represenative, the militia intercepted a Ukrainian drone loaded with explosives.

LPR Militia Says Intercepted Ukrainian Combat Drone With Explosives (Photos)
https://sputniknews.com/europe/20160925/1045679868/militia-drone-lpr-ukraine.html

A Ukrainian drone loaded with explosives was intercepted by pro-independence militia, a militia representative from the self-proclaimed Luhansk People’s Republic (LPR) said Sunday.

"After the people's militia neutralized it, and after its flight path and combat load were studied, it was determined that the aircraft was heading toward the city of Luhansk to carry out a terrorist act," Andrei Marochko said at a briefing.

The unmanned aircraft, which carried two improvised explosives, was taken down near the city of Debaltseve, he added, noting that the drone was taking the same path as Organization for Security and Co-operation in Europe (OSCE) monitoring mission drones and was set to target civilians in Luhansk.

"The power of the explosives is equivalent to three kilograms TNT… We have recorded cases of Ukrainian combat drones flying along routes used by OSCE unmanned aircraft, thus posing a danger to the mission's drones," Marochko said.

Kiev launched a military operation in Ukraine’s southeast in April 2014, after local residents refused to recognize the new Ukrainian authorities, which came to power as a result of a coup. In February 2015, a peace agreement was signed between Ukraine’s conflicting sides in the Belarusian capital of Minsk. Though the deal stipulated a full ceasefire in Donbass, the both sides have violated the truce multiple times.


By trying to save the Poroshenko regime, the United States is simply adding to the collapse of Ukraine, according to RIA Novosti political analyst Zakhar Vinogradov.

Washington's 'Ukrainian Project': US Adds to Nation's Collapse
https://sputniknews.com/world/20160924/1045661392/united-states-ukraine-reforms-situation.html

It seems that Washington has failed to realize the fact that it is continuing to contribute to the collapse of Ukraine by seeking to save the Poroshenko regime, RIA Novosti political analyst Zakhar Vinogradov said.

His remarks came after the US House of Representatives approved the "Act on stability and democracy in Ukraine" which among other things earmarks money for supplying lethal weapons to Kiev. In another development, US Vice President Joe Biden reminded Ukrainian authorities of the need to deliver on their promises pertaining to Ukraine's implementation of economic and political reforms. Otherwise, the EU may lift sanctions against Russia, according to him. "Both events indicate that Washington admits to the fact that its 'Ukrainian project' has failed and that President Poroshenko should be rescued", Vinogradov said.

However, by failing to understand the essence of the latest events in Ukraine, Washington has actually exacerbated a civil conflict by arming opponents of the current regime, he says.

In this vein, Vinogradov referred to a recent visit to Ukraine by German Foreign Minister Frank-Walter Steinmeier and his French colleague Jean-Marc Ayrault, who, in fact, brought a peace plan for the settlement of the civil conflict in eastern Ukraine. The document largely coincided with Russian's stance on the matter.

The plan envisages halting the military operations in the conflict zone, implementing the political part of the Minsk agreements, and facilitating Ukraine's decentralization to define a special status for the Donetsk and Lugansk regions, where elections are due to be held.

Poroshenko has vehemently opposed this peace plan in a move that was supported by many "hawks" in the country's government and parliament, Vinogradov said, pointing to some Ukrainian businesspeople's drive to continue to capitalize on the ongoing war in their country.

Secondly, the peace plan will also be blocked by the Ukrainian radical groups which currently number up to 50,000 armed militants who refer to themselves as the so-kind "volunteer battalions". Being members of these groups remains the only way to survive for these gunmen, according to Vinogradov. He specifically stressed that Ukrainian authorities themselves are unwilling to end the war which became a plausible pretext to justify the failures in a peaceful development of the country, he said.

"Upon realizing the fact that most Ukrainian MPs, businessmen and radicals are up in arms against the peace plan, Steinmeier and Ayrault hinted that if Ukraine does not implement the political part of the Minsk agreements it will not be granted with a visa-free regime", Vinogradov added.

As for the United States, he went on to say, it also woke up to the fact that the past two years have seen Poroshenko's desperate yet unsuccessful attempts to win the war.

Meanwhile, the US knows full well that it is losing its ally Europe that wants neither war nor sanctions any longer, he said, adding that the Ukrainian problem added to a split between the EU and the US, something that was reflected by the French and German Foreign Ministers' visit to Ukraine.

As for US Vice President Joe Biden, he currently faces a moment of truth related to Ukraine being hit by corruption, the absence of reforms and the agonizing economy, Vinogradov said, adding that if the anti-Russian sanctions are scrapped, both Poroshenko and Biden will be losers.

In this context, Vinogradov quoted former Ukrainian Prime Minister Sergey Arbuzov as saying that Poroshenko had exhausted all possibilities to retain power in the current configuration. "The Ukrainian President has no resources to maintain power, which is why he has to either introduce a personal dictatorship or announce early parliamentary and presidential elections," Arbuzov said.

In the meantime, Igor Lutsenko, a member of the Ukrainian political party Batkivshchyna, claimed that preparations for a military coup are underway in Ukraine. "Organized and well trained troops with heavy armor and God knows what other weapons are openly planning the details of their coming to power in the country." Lutsenko said.

He was echoed by Vinogradov, who said if President Barack Obama gives the green light to US lethal arm supplies to Ukraine, the weapons will finally prove to be in place on Kiev's streets and squares rather than in the anti-terrorist operation zone in eastern Ukraine.

"And we cannot rule out a scenario where members of the volunteer battalions turning these weapons on the Poroshenko regime", Vinogradov concluded.
 
Lethal aid or no lethal aid, for the US Government, what happens in Ukraine is probably not seriously important, as long as the situation in Ukraine:
helps to destabilize Russia,
helps to convince European countries about the need for spend more money on military equipment
helps to control Europe, including keeping their Russian sanctions in place, so European economies can suffer making them more compliant with the idea of a TTIP agreement
 
thorbiorn said:
Lethal aid or no lethal aid, for the US Government, what happens in Ukraine is probably not seriously important, as long as the situation in Ukraine:
helps to destabilize Russia,
helps to convince European countries about the need for spend more money on military equipment
helps to control Europe, including keeping their Russian sanctions in place, so European economies can suffer making them more compliant with the idea of a TTIP agreement

Yes, I agree. When the plan to acid strip the Ukrainian economy and transfer all the wealth to US hands failed, then the US is happy to just keeping this festering wound open on Russia's doorstep. And they did succeed in ruining Ukraine completely. Chaos is what is the empire of chaos are masters at and if they can not take over things successfully, then they will make sure that there will be nothing for others to benefit from. To cooperate as equal partners with win-win deals and prosperity for ordinary people, is not what the empire does: "It is my way or oblivion." The psychopathy can't do otherwise, as that is not wihin their nature to do so. It is however infuriating to see this destructive entropic principle run amok.
 
Aeneas said:
thorbiorn said:
Lethal aid or no lethal aid, for the US Government, what happens in Ukraine is probably not seriously important, as long as the situation in Ukraine:
helps to destabilize Russia,
helps to convince European countries about the need for spend more money on military equipment
helps to control Europe, including keeping their Russian sanctions in place, so European economies can suffer making them more compliant with the idea of a TTIP agreement

Yes, I agree. When the plan to acid strip the Ukrainian economy and transfer all the wealth to US hands failed, then the US is happy to just keeping this festering wound open on Russia's doorstep. And they did succeed in ruining Ukraine completely. Chaos is what is the empire of chaos are masters at and if they can not take over things successfully, then they will make sure that there will be nothing for others to benefit from. To cooperate as equal partners with win-win deals and prosperity for ordinary people, is not what the empire does: "It is my way or oblivion." The psychopathy can't do otherwise, as that is not wihin their nature to do so. It is however infuriating to see this destructive entropic principle run amok.

I agree with both of your opinions.

Recently, this was Posted:

Lithuania has supplied about 150 tonnes of ammunition to Ukraine for the first time since 2014, says a spokesman for the country’s Joint Chiefs of Staff.

Lithuania supplies Ukraine with lethal weaponry
http://www.presstv.com/Detail/2016/09/03/482988/Lithuania-Ukraine-lethal-weaponry

The unnamed spokesman told Reuters on Saturday that a day earlier Vilnius had handed over to Ukrainian authorities the ammunition cargo, mostly 5.45 caliber cartridges for various modifications of Kalashnikov AK-47 rifle.

Lithuania is a NATO member and 150 tons - is a lot of ammo. Now, the U.S. is going to supply Ukraine with lethal weapons.

I get the impression, Ukraine is being used (mainly) to keep pressure on Russia, while keeping the chaos level high by shelling Donbass and Luhansk. I don't think, Donbass or Luhansk are the "targets" but that they are planning something much bigger - in a different direction? Maybe try to take Crimea again, so they have access to the Sea Port, but then again, Russia has been reinforcing the area since the blotched attempt a few weeks ago. So, why are they stocking ammo and bringing in the big guns and equipment? A major confrontation along - one of the Borders? I would imagine, NATO will be in the game, what ever they are planning?
 
This headline out of TASS

http://tass.com/world/902277?_ga=1.135570100.402514998.1472854948
Several LPR districts impose state of emergency as Kiev cuts water supplies

Water supplies to the LPR were cut from the Petrovsky water intake facility and Western filtering station controlled by Kiev, reports a news agency

LUGANSK, September 26. /TASS/. A state of emergencies has been imposed in a number of districts of the self-proclaimed Lugansk People’s Republic (LPR) after Kiev stopped water supplies, LugansInformCenter said on Monday.

"The LPR Council of Ministers has issued an instruction to impose a state of emergency in certain districts of the republic over insufficient water supplies to cities and villages under sanitary norms," the agency said.

According to LuganskInformCenter, water supplies to the LPR were cut from the Petrovsky water intake facility and Western filtering station controlled by Kiev.

On September 22, LPR’s leader Igor Plotnitsky said he had instructed the republic’s negotiators at the talks in Minsk to raise the subject of water supplies from the Ukrainian side.
 
[quote author= Angelburst29]So, why are they stocking ammo and bringing in the big guns and equipment? A major confrontation along - one of the Borders? I would imagine, NATO will be in the game, what ever they are planning? [/quote]

That's why I think it's wise to consider that total war is in the cards.

But I think as for now it's like that former CIA chief said recently in an interview. They intent to scare Assad and Putin into submission, so all those provocations and the military build-up are part of that.

Of course Putin will never bow, nor will Assad. So what are the PTB going to do when they finally realize that their scare tactics failed, they are not going to back down, that's for sure. To them, the only way forward is total war.
 
The case involves Dmitry Yarosh, Andrey Tarasenko, Andrey Stempitsky, Valery Voronov and Artyom Skoropadsky, as well as other members of the organization.

Russia opens criminal case against Ukraine’s Right Sector leaders
http://tass.com/politics/903185

Russia’s Investigative Committee has opened a criminal case on extremist charges against the leaders of Ukraine’s Right Sector - Dmitry Yarosh, Andrey Tarasenko, Andrey Stempitsky, Valery Voronov and Artyom Skoropadsky, as well as other members of the organization.

"The department for investigating crimes involving the use of outlawed means and methods of war of the Investigative Committee’s Main Investigations Directorate in cooperation with the Federal Security Service FSB and the Interior Ministry has obtained evidence against the leaders and activists of the Ukrainian extremist organization Right Sector, which is outlawed in Russia under a resolution passed by the Supreme Court of Russia," the IC’s press-service said.

"On the basis of the collected evidence criminal proceedings were instituted against the Right Sector leaders - Dmitry Yarosh, Andrey Tarasenko, other senior members of that organization Andrey Stempitsky, Valery Voronov and Artyom Skoropadsky and other persons under Part 1 of Article 282.2 of the Russian Criminal Code (Criminal Organization Activities).

What is Right Sector?

According to the IC, the Right Sector group, which Yarosh established in 2013, professes an ideology of radical Ukrainian nationalism, outspoken Russophobia and Nazism. The organization proclaimed that its task was to offer armed resistance to what it described as "Moscow’s aggression" - in fact an excuse for the use of violence for political, radial, ethnic and religious grounds.

The Right Sector incorporates the leaders and activists of a number of Ukrainian ultra-radical organizations and movements, such as Trizub (Trident) named after Stepan Bandera, UNA-UNSO, Ukrainian rebel army UPA, Brotherhood, Social-National Assembly, White Hammer, Group S14, Carpathian Sich, and association of radically-minded football fans.

"Starting from 2014 and up to this day the leaders and activists of the Right Sector have systematically planned and commit crimes against Russia and its citizens and diplomatic officers in Ukrainian territory, as well as against Russian-speaking civilians," the IC said.

Taking part in the organization’s activity is Russian citizen Artyom Skoropadsky - the chief of the Right Sector’s press-service, who has regularly appeared in the mass media and in the world web as well as various public events and gatherings for propaganda of the organization’s criminal ideology and calls for participation in extremist crimes.

The IC estimates the Right Sector’s strength at 5,000 militants - citizens of Ukraine, Russia and other states. In each Ukrainian region the organization has command centers that coordinate the activists locally.

"Alongside this the organization’s leaders have established cells in Europe and North America," the IC said, adding that Yarosh and his associates were pushing ahead with their criminal activities with the tacit connivance and approval of the Ukrainian leadership.


On Wednesday, Israeli President Reuven Rivlin paid a visit to Kiev. Expecting to talk about the closeness of Ukrainian-Israeli ties, President Poroshenko was met with criticism instead. Rivlin told lawmakers that the crimes of Ukrainian nationalists during WWII should never be forgotten. Poroshenko responded as best he could -by blaming Russia.

Just Say Sorry: Poroshenko Dodges Ukrainian Nationalists' Holocaust Culpability
https://sputniknews.com/europe/20160930/1045877299/ukraine-israel-diplomatic-scuffle-over-holocaust.html

It's difficult to imagine President Rivlin's long-expected visit to Kiev going any worse for Ukrainian authorities. Arriving late to the official ceremony to meet with President Petro Poroshenko, forcing him to stand around waiting aimlessly, Rivlin then moved on to make a cardinal mistake: to criticize the history of radical Ukrainian nationalism.

Speaking at a special session of Ukraine's parliament, the Rada, the Israeli president pointed out that wartime nationalists from the Ukrainian Insurgent Army and other militias collaborated with the Nazis in crimes against Ukrainian Jews. "About 1.5 million Jews were killed on the territory of contemporary Ukraine during the Second World War," Rivlin said. They died "at Babi Yar, and many other places…Many Ukrainians were accomplices in this crime. Among those who stood out were fighters from the OUN [OUN-UPA, the Ukrainian acronym for the force], who tortured Jews, killed them, and in many cases, handed them over to the Germans."

Relations between the Ukrainian and Jewish people today are looking forward toward the future, but we must not allow history, both the terrible and the good, to be forgotten," the president emphasized.

Rivlin's visit coincided with the 75th Anniversary of the Babi Yar tragedy. Babi Yar is a ravine in Kiev. Beginning in September 1941, it became a site for massacres by Nazi German forces and local collaborators, where over a hundred thousand people – mostly Jews, Gypsies, anti-fascist Ukrainians and Soviet prisoners of war were exterminated. Many historians consider Babi Yar to be the largest single massacre of the Holocaust. Finishing his speech, Rivlin was forced to halt his visit and fly back to Israel after receiving word of the passing of former President Shimon Peres.

The Israeli president's remarks met a cool reaction in the Ukrainian leadership, both from the president, whose phone appeared to blow up after Rivlin made his comments, and from Rada Speaker Andriy Parubiy, former co-founder of the neo-Nazi Social-National Party of Ukraine, who appeared visibly perturbed.

Oleh Lyashko, lawmaker and leader of the Radical Party, quickly demanded that the Israeli president apologize for his accusations against Ukrainians and the OUN-UPA, which Ukraine's current authorities have declared to be a heroic organization fighting for the country's independence. Its leaders, Stepan Bandera and Roman Shukhevych, have been given the title 'Heroes of Ukraine'.

"Unfortunately, in the prescience of parliament, the [Ukrainian] president, lawmakers and ministers remained shamefully silent," Lyashko noted. "Rivlin's speech is demeaning to Ukrainians; therefore, I call on the Israeli president to apologize to our state and our people," he added. Andrey Lozovoy, another Radical Party MP, resigned from the Rada group promoting inter-parliamentary relations with Israel "to protest the humiliation of Ukrainians."

The lawmakers weren't alone. Rada Vice Speaker Irin Gerashchenko suggested that President Rivlin had allowed himself a "certain incorrect and undiplomatic assessment" of tragic pages of Ukrainian history "in the parliament of a country that is currently fighting hard for its independence."

Ukrainian political commentators were even more unabashed in their criticisms, one suggesting that the Israeli president, standing before parliament, was simply "repeating a Soviet myth," and another that Rivlin had had "watched too much Russian television" (Russia considers OUN and UPA to be radical organizations, and their activities have been banned in the country).

President Poroshenko, who kept silent for a day after Rivlin's visit, finally broke down on Thursday and issued his own commentary. Speaking at an official event dedicated to the Babi Yar massacre, the Ukrainian president claimed that Russia was an anti-Semitic country which threatens Israel's existence.

Saying that Soviet leader Joseph Stalin's "work lives on" in contemporary Russia, Poroshenko suggested that "his disciples have retained anti-Semitism as part of their public policy, but in place of the policy of physical destruction, have come to rely on the destruction of Jewish identity. And for decades Moscow has supplied, and continues to supply weapons to those who want to throw Israel into the sea." Unwilling to recognize and apologize for the crimes of wartime nationalists that have become deified in contemporary Ukraine, Poroshenko attempted a bait and switch move to 'blame Russia', something he has become an expert at in the last two years. The question is whether anyone will believe him.
 
Last week, the European Parliament's Committee on Home Affairs voted to grant Ukrainians the opportunity to travel to the EU without visas. The offer still must be discussed at several stages of the EU bureaucracy, but according to political scientist Nikolai Starikov, the process is already reminiscent of a carrot being dangled before a horse.

EU Tempts Kiev With Visa-Free Travel to Prevent Total Disappointment in Brussels
https://sputniknews.com/europe/20161001/1045904540/eu-ukraine-visa-free-travel-commentary.html

The Committee voted in favor of visa liberalization on September 26, which observant political scientists pointed out was President Petro Poroshenko's birthday.

The next step is for the measure to be approved at the European Parliament's forthcoming parliamentary session in Strasbourg later this month. After that, the question will be referred to the EU working group on visa issues, then the permanent representatives of the EU's member states, and finally, the Council of the European Union.

Speaking to Radio Sputnik, political scientist Nikolai Starikov said that to him the measure looks like a poorly disguised effort to continue to feed Kiev's European aspirations, even after senior European officials have admitted that Ukraine will not be considered for EU membership for decades. Even the issue of visas, which Kiev expected to resolve quickly, has dragged on for years, the expert added. "The promise of visa-free travel is like a carrot for a horse. The horse must be shown, or even better, be allowed to smell the carrot, for it to go in the 'right direction'. And since talk of a visa-free regime has been going on for years already, the carrot has now been brought in close, so that the horse could see it."

Prior to Monday's announcement, EU officials of various ranks continuously put off promises to liberalize visa requirements, citing the lack of progress in the battle with corruption, the fear of organized crime, and the implications of the ongoing civil war in eastern Ukraine.

According to Starikov, even if EU officials do decide to go ahead and lift travel restrictions, such a concession would do little good for Ukrainians in and of itself. Amid economic decline and IMF-mandated austerity reforms, most of the country's citizens are now struggling to pay for food and utilities, much less thinking of a beautiful life spent traveling across Europe.

"Somehow authorities forgot to remind Ukrainians that visa-free travel to Europe also requires money for living expenses, and that the kinds of jobs that Europeans have is something Ukraine's citizens will never get. Ukrainians will simply be allowed across the border, but what will they do from there? They're certainly not going to get permission to work in Europe."

With many Ukrainians expected to enter the Eastern European countries including the Czech Republic and Poland in search of illegal work, local officials and political analysts have voiced concerns that lifting visa restrictions would threaten to decimate local job markets and create to ethnic animosities.

In any case, Starikov suggested that in its present form, "this visa-free regime is just useless confetti. I assure you that if it does pass, Ukrainians will only be further disappointed in the future." Ultimately, Starikov suggested that the European Parliament's Committee on Home Affairs' decision, made on the president's birthday, was meant as "a small gift to sweeten his very unhappy presidency," and to ensure Kiev's continued loyalty to Western countries.

Washington and Brussels, in his view, would like to see to it that "Ukraine destroy itself, constantly provoking Moscow, and becoming a sort of 'bleeding wound' on Russia's border, with the potential to escalate to full-scale war. It's for this reason that it's necessary to dangle a carrot in front of Ukraine – so that its leaders continue to move it in a suicidal direction."


The self-proclaimed Lugansk People's Republic completed the pullback of troops and military equipment in the military zone in the area of Zolote, according to people's militia headquarters.

Lugansk People’s Republic Completes Troops Pullout Near Ukraine's Zolote Town
https://sputniknews.com/europe/20161001/1045901984/lugansk-ukraine-pullout.html

The self-proclaimed Lugansk People's Republic carried out the withdrawal of troops and military equipment near the town of Zolote in Ukraine's southeast, people's militia headquarters said Saturday.

On September 21, the Trilateral Contact Group on the settlement of the Ukrainian crisis that comprises Russia, Ukraine and the Organization for Security and Co-operation in Europe (OSCE) concluded a framework agreement in Minsk to pull government troops and local militia apart at three locations in eastern Ukraine, including Zolote. "Lugansk People’s Republic completed the pullback of troops and military equipment in the [military] zone in the area of Zolote," people's militia told RIA Novosti.


Last week, Israeli President Reuven Rivlin recalled that Ukrainian nationalists were responsible for killing many Jews during the Second World War, adding that attempting to glorify war criminals was unconscionable. Speaking to Sputnik, historian Bohdan Pietka said that he wished the Polish government would have the courage to admit the same thing.

Warsaw May Be Best Friends With Kiev, But Not All Poles Feel Same Way
https://sputniknews.com/europe/20161001/1045902119/poland-ukraine-wwii-war-crimes-animosities-commentary.html

On Wednesday, during an official visit to Ukraine, President Rivlin stood before the country's parliament and said that wartime nationalists from the Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists (OUN) and others openly collaborated with the Nazis in rounding up and murdering Ukrainian Jews. The politician emphasized that history must not be allowed to be forgotten or rewritten.

Rivlin's comments were met with hostility among Ukraine's political and media elite, which has declared groups like the OUN and the UPA (Ukrainian Insurgent Army) to be heroic organizations fighting for the country's independence from Moscow.

During the Second World War, in addition to killing Jews, Gypsies, Soviet POWs and anti-fascist Ukrainians, nationalists from the UPA also conducted a campaign of ethnic cleansing in western Ukraine against the Polish minority. The campaign against the Poles resulted in the deaths of between 80,000 and 120,000 people, predominantly women and children, between 1943 and 1944.

In the two and a half years since the Maidan coup d'état, which brought to power those officials who now support the glorification of OUN-UPA nationalists, Warsaw has become one of Kiev's closest allies. But many Poles, mindful of history, don't share the government's position. Speaking to Sputnik Polska, historian and journalist Bohdan Pietka said that he certainly wasn't among those who would ignore Poland's own history for the sake of geopolitics.

Commenting on the Israeli president's remarks, Pietka suggested that all that Rivlin did was to say openly what Poland's leaders have preferred to stay silent about. "The Israeli president just said that which is already clear to those who know history," the historian noted. "He was telling the truth, about which our presidents, Komorowski and Duda, have been shamefully silent about during their own visits to Kiev. For them, the speech by the Israeli President was a good lesson."

In response to President Rivlin's speech, some Ukrainian commentators and officials, including Institute of National Remembrance Director Volodymyr Vyatrovich, claimed that his words tying Ukrainian nationalists to the Holocaust were merely 'the repetition of old Soviet myths'.

Pietka noted that Mr. Vyatrovich was a nationalist, and that his institute, which receives funding directly from the government, is actively engaged in the promotion of the myth that Ukrainian nationalist groups were not responsible for war crimes during the war.

"Supposedly, the Israeli head of state repeated 'old myths' created in the USSR. Does he believe that the execution of Jews at Babi Yar was a falsification of history? No, it's the truth, and that massacre was participated in by militants from the Ukrainian Auxiliary Police, from the [OUN-M's] unit, led by Andriy Melnyk. This is an indisputable historical fact," the historian emphasized.

Pre-WWII Poland stretched into the current territory of Ukraine and was home to hundreds of thousands of Poles, who were later ethnically cleansed during the war by the pro-Nazi Ukrainian partisans or sent to former German cities in regions allotted to Poland after the war, when much of eastern Poland was annexed by the Soviet Union.

Many in Poland still see Lviv and the surrounding part of western Ukraine as occupied territory, and a debate has raged about how exactly to react to the fact that Kiev has attempted to turn the war criminals responsible for the purge into national heroes in recent years.

In July, Poland's lower house of parliament passed a resolution which said that Ukrainian nationalists' campaign of ethnic cleansing constituted genocide. Nevertheless, the government has attempted to skirt the issue, presumably for political reasons. Recently, Katarzyna Kacperczyk, the chief advisor to the head of the government, incensed Poles when she suggested that Poland 'cannot deprive Ukrainians of their right to have national heroes'.

Pietka said that unfortunately, he was not at all surprised by this kind of cynicism. "Here, we see a reflection of Poland's policy toward Ukraine, where even the cult of criminal units like OUN-UPA is considered normal. Poland's policy here is directed against Russia; it is dictated largely at Washington's behest."

Furthermore, the historian emphasized that Kacperczyk's statement was "devoid of any logic. If we compare it to the words of the Israeli president in Kiev, we can see the huge gap that separates the political establishments of Poland and Israel. The fact of the matter is that Israel conducts its own policy, while Poland often simply serves to assist US policy in Central and Eastern Europe."


In a letter to the CEPA forum in Washington DC, Antoni Macierewicz, Poland’s Defense Minister, accused Russia of creating and supporting radical Islamic terrorism.

Polish Defense Minister Accuses Russia of Inventing Islamic Terrorism
https://sputniknews.com/europe/20161001/1045893540/polish-defense-minister-russia-terrorism.html

Antoni Macierewicz, the Defense Minister of Poland, was set to be a headline speaker at the September 29 opening of the eighth annual Center for European Policy Analysis (CEPA) forum in Washington DC. He canceled his visit, ostensibly due to a government meeting in Warsaw, but was permitted to present his speech in the form of a letter read by a ministry aide.

According to the text of Macierewicz's letter, pro-democratic aspirations in Ukraine were met with "brutal intervention" in 2014 on the part of Russia, which the minister described as a "clash of civilizations." The idea that the nuances of modern international relations can be explained as a clash of civilizations was touted in 1993 by US political scientist Samuel P. Huntington, and has been roundly debunked in academic circles as too simplistic.

The Western aspirations of the Ukrainian people were confronted with brutal force and eastern dictatorship. If we are seeing social turmoil in Western Europe associated with the wave of terrorism and the migration crisis — this is also a civilization clash," according to the letter.

Macierewicz further linked the former Soviet Union's support of socialist movements in Europe during the Cold War-era to contemporary Islamic terrorism.

Possibly unaware that prominent Islamic terrorist organizations, including Daesh, are outlawed in Russia, Macierewicz wrote, "We should ask ourselves… a question: is it possible that Russia now influences or even creates radical Islamic terrorism or jihadism of these days. The answer to this question can be fundamental for our civilization to survive."

In May, Macierewicz accused Russia of "interventions" by using large amounts of aerial drones.

Russian military expert Dmitri Safonov commented on the Polish minister's remarks by saying, "Antoni Macierewicz's statement should be taken with some skepticism since Poland is the main ‘provocateur' within NATO in terms of anti-Russian rhetoric."

In March, Macierewicz accused Russia of the 2010 crash of the Polish president's airplane near the Russian city of Smolensk, an accident that resulted in the deaths of President Lech Kaczynski and many senior politicians. The aircraft, carrying Polish leaders visiting Russia to commemorate the 1940 Katyn massacre, crashed in dense fog and extremely low visibility.
 
There is an organisation called EU vs Disinformation that is on FB and on Twitter they are EU Mythbusters @EUvsDisinfo

About themselves they write:
_https://euvsdisinfo.eu/ said:
This website is part of a campaign to better forecast, address and respond to disinformation. The campaign is run by the EU’s East StratCom Task force. The team was set up following a discussion amongst EU Heads of State and Government in March 2015, where they stressed the need to address Russia’s ongoing disinformation campaign. Read more here _http://eeas.europa.eu/topics/eu-vs-disinformation/2116/. The team issues two weekly newsletters, the Disinformation Review and the Disinformation Digest. Sign up below to receive the newsletters in English.

How was it created?
_http://eeas.europa.eu/topics/eu-vs-disinformation/2116/ said:
Questions and Answers about the East StratCom Task Force
26/11/2015 - 00:00

Why was the East StratCom Task Force created?
The task force has been set up following the European Council in March 2015, which tasked the High Representative to submit, in cooperation with EU institutions and Member States, an action plan on strategic communication in order to address Russia's ongoing disinformation campaigns [...]
What is EEAS, which appeared in the link? It stands for "European External Action Service"

The EU's East StratCom Task force appears to be a brainchild of _http://www.stratcomcoe.org/ which is home to NATO Strategic Communications Centre of Excellence Riga, Latvia, but they call themselves Stratcom, for example you can subscribe to the "Stratcom Newsletter".

Here are som examples of how they operate:
Picture name [NATO rules] from _https://www.facebook.com/EUvsDisinfo/posts/1169801556399487 which gives a reference to _http://www.stratcomcoe.org/social-media-tool-hybrid-warfare This includes what they call Troll Tactics and many may be okay, but why is "Using historical references" an indication of being a troll? For example a troll could be one who
"Reference to historical events: Events from the past are recalled (e.g. WW II). Tragic events are brought up to recall Ukrainian cooperation with fascists."
(From p. 44 in the above document by Svetoka, S.(2016).Social media as a tool of hybrid warfare. Riga: NATO Strategic Communications Centre of Excellence.)

From this perspective the Israeli President overstepped when he spoke to the Rada:
How Kiev reacted to Israeli reminders of Ukrainian involvement in the Holocaust Ukraine's hostile reaction to the Israeli President's reminder of the role of Ukrainian nationalists like Stepan Bandera and Roman Shukhevych in Nazi atrocities and in the Holocaust shows a Ukraine that is becoming steeped in neo-fascist and neo-Nazi thinking. [...]

What is also not encouraged are "conspiracy theories" For example the MH17 was lost because
_http://us11.campaign-archive1.com/?u=cd23226ada1699a77000eb60b&id=3020e3d627&e=15f1448f20#Nine%20ways%20to%20confuse%20us%20about%20MH%2017 said:
This Wednesday, the Joint Investigation Team (JIT), which was set up by the Netherlands, Belgium, Ukraine, Australia, and Malaysia to look into the causes of the downing of flight MH17 in July 2014, published the conclusions of their investigation. According to the JIT, the BUK missile that shot down the plane came from Russia to the territory controlled by Russia-backed "separatists" in the East of Ukraine, and after downing the Boeing, the BUK system returned to Russia.
And they claim that is not a conspiracy theory?
And here is another:
_http://us11.campaign-archive2.com/?u=cd23226ada1699a77000eb60b&id=6faf648066 said:
Conspiracy theories on US terror

This week, Russian TV shows were active in reviving an old conspiracy theory. Fifteen years after the devastating 9/11 terrorist attacks, guests as well as hosts of Russian TV shows "Vremya pokazhet" and "Mesto vstrechi" stated that it was in fact the US itself that was behind the attack, with some claiming that Israel and Saudi Arabia were also involved in it (http://bit.ly/2cmst0s, http://bit.ly/2cvQFuZ). On the show "Voskresnyi vecher" it was claimed that Bin Laden and Al Qaeda never took responsibility for the attacks (http://bit.ly/2cmst0s). Of course, Bin Laden officially claimed responsibility in 2004 (_http://bit.ly/2cfHs98).

The official 9/11 Commission report can be found here _http://bit.ly/1AMXOO4.
Om the way I came accross a pdf report from RAND cooporation about why Russia has been successful in their distribution of information: _http://www.rand.org/content/dam/rand/pubs/perspectives/PE100/PE198/RAND_PE198.pdf and what the US and NATO can do about it. In this link about the report _https://www.facebook.com/EUvsDisinfo/photos/a.1088482654531378.1073741828.1087491177963859/1163073183738991/?type=3 they write that "Russian disinformation is a global threat, much of it targeted against democracies." Democracies as long as no country steps out of the line, dictated by NATO, the US Government and the European elites og what name they have. These pages which these Stratcom offices produce and distribute are on the same page as the official US history, while thousands of scholarly well research pages have been published about the problems this history has. But the NATO tells people to forget about history, forget about what you read, see, think. To give expression to this idea there is also the followin which includes the last few lines of one news item
_http://us11.campaign-archive1.com/?u=cd23226ada1699a77000eb60b&id=dcbbfe4566 said:
A recent poll analyses the effects of the pro-Kremlin disinformation campaign on public opinion in Central Europe, namely in Hungary, Slovakia and the Czech Republic. It concludes that "although Russia has not been able to win the hearts and minds of the people in this region, it has managed to enchant them".
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The European values think tank in Prague contributed to the above mentioned poll in the Czech Republic. They also found that despite limited US involvement in Syria, half of the Czech population believes that the US is responsible for Syrian refugees in Europe. Furthermore, nearly four out of ten Czechs blame the US for the Ukrainian crisis, although there are Russian troops occupying part of the territory of Ukraine and only 20% of the Czech population believe the disinformation that Russian forces are not operating in Ukraine. These results are presented in a separate study. _http://www.europeanvalues.net/vyzkum/impact-of-disinformation-operations-in-the-czech-republic/?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=kremlin_watch_monitor&utm_term=2016-09-14

And how convenient that there is a line of companies ready to make sure we think the right thoughts. Apparently the generated conflict with Russia will increase their powers to control, and shift the balance of even more towards wealthy companies.

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_http://us11.campaign-archive1.com/?u=cd23226ada1699a77000eb60b&id=dcbbfe4566 said:
Social media giants team up against misinformation

This week, social media giants Facebook and Twitter announced that they are stepping up action against misinformation in their networks. Reuters reports that the two companies joined the First Draft Coalition, which was set up in June 2015 and includes major organisations such as YouTube, the New York Times, BuzzFeed News, the Washington Post, CNN, France Info, Euronews and AFP.

The forum will create a voluntary code of practice and promote news literacy among social media users. At the end of October, it plans to launch a platform to help members to verify questionable news stories based on user-generated content on social media. Bellingcat, an investigative journalism group, whose work dismantling pro-Kremlin disinformation on the conflict in Ukraine has been featured in the Disinformation Digest, is also a founding member.
From this information, and the level of lies that the EU/US/NATO Stratcom information centers consider as indisputable fact that everyone should believe, it is difficult for me to very optimistic, On the other hand, if they keep shooting themselves in the foot then it won't go too far, or am I just an optimist.
 

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Interesting thought, presented in the excerpt:
http://www.pravdareport.com/world/ussr/ukraine/30-09-2016/135747-ukraine_russian_world-0/ said:
Ukraine wants to undermine the Russian world and reprogram Russia
30.09.2016
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Students - the main weapon of Kiev

As for the reprogramming of Russia with the help of Russian students who come to Ukraine to study there, this could be possible. The USA has used this technique before to conquer the elites of the former Eastern European bloc.

Russia will never be able to live in harmony with the West because of the US model of a melting pot of nations, in which they melt to create an "exceptional product." Russia has always been trying to build a common house, where national identity does not interfere with common Russian-ness. The Russian world can co-exist with the American world, but the American world cannot co-exist with the Russian one. The idea of Ukrainianness is an idea of a melting pot. Is it too late for Russia to rescue the Russians in Ukraine? What kind of people will they become in ten years?

Lyuba Lulko
Pravda.Ru
One day the conflict in Ukraine will end, in the process much has been destroyed, not only in Ukraine, but also in Europe which was unable to stop, and largely willingly participated in the struggle of the Western elites for more power.
Will humanity or what is left of it be able to gather up the pieces and create a sensible civilisation?
 
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