Civil War in Ukraine: Western Empire vs Russia

[Aeneas]

This is a 17 minutes long interview with Gerald Celenteof about the situation in Ukraine. It is like a Ukraine 101 for Americans and citizens within the influence sphere of the American Empire.

Thanks for posting that video, which was done in May 2014. He is spot on.

 

[SeekinTruth]

Things are getting more and more insane in Ukraine. It's like Putin said: everything the US touches turns into Iraq or Libya. It's also notable about similarities between "ISIS" and the Nazis in Ukraine - totally psychopathic marauders just with different psychopathic ideologies - just the type of proxies the Empire of Evil loves....

 

[Lumiere_du_Code]

Today there were news about a new law taking effect in the Ukrainian army:

Ukrainian commanders can shoot down their subordinates from now

here is another:

on "CyberBerkut" website appeared document entitled as an order of the first deputy head of Anti-Terrorist Centre of Security Service of Ukraine, Lieutenant-General Sergei Popko. This document is suspended publication of data on the losses of Ukrainian army, as well as to prevent defections downhearted Ukrainian servicemen formed barrage detachments.

in text of published document states that from January 26 of this year, all of data on actual losses commanders of military units must be submitted only in Anti-Terrorism Center of Security Service of Ukraine. Military Medical Department of Ministry of Defense and military hospitals are prohibited forming reports on actual losses in ATO area.

The third paragraph of the order reads: "Due to threat of further attack of militants need to consider the question of evacuation of operational headquarters of SBU (Kramatorsk). January 25, 2015 left the combat area task forces of General Staff of Armed Forces (Debal'tsevo)".

In fourth paragraph of document to deputy chief of staff ATO and Department on work with staff "in order to prevent mass defections soldiers from battlefield near Debal'tsevo ordered to form a so-called barrage detachments from volunteer battalions." (these are "Azov", "Dnepr" and like, consisting entirely of foreign mercenaries, most dangerous criminals, Nazis and other "elite of the nation." they do not participate in battles, they just do all dirty work and are engaged perpetrate outrages, looting, torture, kidnappings and rapes.)

About use of defensive squads by Ukrainian military said Defense Ministry spokesman of Donetsk People's Republic Eduard Basurin: "Ukrainian troops are demoralized, as evidenced by unprecedented incident that occurred last night - said Basurin. - During the night military clashes
to our units surrendered wounded soldier of 128th separate mountain-infantry brigade that during interrogation told about facts of using barrage detachments against Ukrainian troops."

According to "CyberBerkut" over the last two weeks Ukrainian army incurred substantial losses. "Only in two weeks of fighting Armed Forces of Ukraine lost killed 1,100 soldiers, on the battlefield there are more than 100 destroyed tanks, taken prisoner by defenders of Donbass dozens of Ukrainian soldiers and officers."



_http://russian.rt.com/article/71125

 

[Lumiere_du_Code]

Chairman of Security Service of Ukraine Valentyn Nalyvaychenko on air of Ukrainian TV channel said that on the instructions of the General Staff of Russian Armed Forces on territory of DPR and LPR were allegedly imported 7 mobile crematoriums.

In his opinion (!!!) every day they burned bodies of 50-70 Russian soldiers killed in a war zone in eastern Ukraine. He also said that to hotline of SBU from Russia ostensibly daily receiving dozens of calls from relatives of the missing soldiers.

We recall, January 23, the head of Donetsk People's Republic Alexander Zakharchenko, citing intelligence reports, said that Kiev authorities brought into the conflict zone three mobile crematorium to destroy the bodies Ukrainian soldiers. "After that, they are declared missing in action or taken prisoner," - said Zakharchenko. According to him, Kiev refuses to accept even from militia bodies of their dead soldiers.

_http://russian.rt.com/article/71219

 

[Lumiere_du_Code]

IMF delegation, operating in Ukraine, added a conditions for cash assistance to the Government of "independent" [Ukraine], which threatens to default without IMF money. Price of gas for population should be increased by seven times. (this with the fact that payment for gas is already increased by several times!)

This is a key point in negotiations Ukraine and IMF, said Thursday the deputy chairman of Budget Committee of Verkhovna Rada, member of "self-help" Victor Krivenko.

_http://www.vestifinance.ru/articles/52586

 

[Dirgni]

Chairman of Security Service of Ukraine Valentyn Nalyvaychenko on air of Ukrainian TV channel said that on the instructions of the General Staff of Russian Armed Forces on territory of DPR and LPR were allegedly imported 7 mobile crematoriums.

In his opinion (!!!) every day they burned bodies of 50-70 Russian soldiers killed in a war zone in eastern Ukraine. He also said that to hotline of SBU from Russia ostensibly daily receiving dozens of calls from relatives of the missing soldiers.

We recall, January 23, the head of Donetsk People's Republic Alexander Zakharchenko, citing intelligence reports, said that Kiev authorities brought into the conflict zone three mobile crematorium to destroy the bodies Ukrainian soldiers. "After that, they are declared missing in action or taken prisoner," - said Zakharchenko. According to him, Kiev refuses to accept even from militia bodies of their dead soldiers.

_http://russian.rt.com/article/71219

When there were 50-70 Russian soldiers available they would no try to get rid of them. But they would present them to prove the Russians were in this.

So they seem to avoid too many body bags in the public. And they want to avoid to loose the "support" of the Ukrainian people. The normal people seem to see now that if they let their men go, they will just end dead as cannon

 

[Dirgni]

Chairman of Security Service of Ukraine Valentyn Nalyvaychenko on air of Ukrainian TV channel said that on the instructions of the General Staff of Russian Armed Forces on territory of DPR and LPR were allegedly imported 7 mobile crematoriums.

In his opinion (!!!) every day they burned bodies of 50-70 Russian soldiers killed in a war zone in eastern Ukraine. He also said that to hotline of SBU from Russia ostensibly daily receiving dozens of calls from relatives of the missing soldiers.

We recall, January 23, the head of Donetsk People's Republic Alexander Zakharchenko, citing intelligence reports, said that Kiev authorities brought into the conflict zone three mobile crematorium to destroy the bodies Ukrainian soldiers. "After that, they are declared missing in action or taken prisoner," - said Zakharchenko. According to him, Kiev refuses to accept even from militia bodies of their dead soldiers.

_http://russian.rt.com/article/71219

If there were 50-70 Russian soldiers available they would no try to get rid of them. But they would present them publicly to prove the Russians were in this. They never did this. So the 50+ Russian story is just wishful thinking...

So they seem to have mobile crematoriums. And they seem to avoid too many body bags in the public with using them to burn their own dead. To get rid of that many bodies discreetly is quite a problem. And they want to avoid to loose the "support" of the Ukrainian people. What is also remarkable that the allegedly "professional" military seem to loose grand scale against the "amateur" East Ukrainians. The normal people seem to see now that if they let their men go, they will just end dead as cannon fodder very fast. So they began to resist. Some time very soon they will just do something like just go to Russia and leave the psychpaths and their followers to "play alone".

About 25 to 30 years ago the Ukrainians had the USSR with another set of PTBs. The middle-aged and old ones remember. Maybe the PTBs will be just "kicked out of the game" one way or other.

 

[thorbiorn]

Today there was another ugly shelling by the UAF of civilians who were in line to get humanitarian aid. The next aid convoy from Russian has already been labled as a coming target. While some civilians die, others do not like the Ukrainian oligarchs, on the contrary they are doing comparatively much better:

Ukrainian Rada gives oligarchs a free pass on the backs of small business
January 29, 2015
Yurasumy
Translated by Kristina Rus

Actually, just what the Ukrainian people wanted. Oligarchy came to power not to make people live better. For oligarchs the most important thing is PROFIT. So they are maximizing it.

Large taxpayers reduced payment of profit tax in 2014 by 13.7 billion UAH, while increased export operations through the countries with a preferential tax system by 25 billion UAH - up to 240 billion UAH. This was reported by former Minister of Revenue and Collections. Aleksandr Klymenko, on his Facebook page.

According to him, the largest companies evaded taxes through Switzerland, UAE, Cyprus, Luxembourg, Panama. These operations cost the budget 4.3 billion UAH in foregone taxes for the year.

"Big business has no more incentive to pay taxes. The law on transfer pricing (TP), which was supposed to prevent such phenomena, with the light hand of the State Fiscal Service and the deputies of the Verkhovna Rada was first delayed, and then "washed down," so that it became ineffective as a mechanism for preventing the withdrawal of capital," - wrote the ex-Minister.


As Klimenko noted, according to the new edition of the law on TP, adopted by the Verkhovna Rada on December 28, 2014, small business gets hit, since control threshold was lowered to a turnover of 20 million UAH ($1,250,000).

Also, said the former official, the audit period is increased to one and a half years, and the reasons for audit are added. "Now they can check in any case - whether you submitted a report, or didn't, submitted incorrect report, or incomplete report... The previous version had two reasons: the report is not filed and a deviation from market prices was recorded," - he said.

In addition, writes Klimenko, fines increased again after the lowering. "In May 2014, the penalties were reduced, now returned to the previous level. And the decision to increase the fines would be correct if, according to the same law, small business did not get hit," - he concluded.

_http://business.vesti-ukr.com/86872-klimenko-krupnyj-biznes-bolshe-ne-imeet-stimulov-dlja-uplaty-nalogov

P. S. I have nothing to add, except the phrase: "What did you fight for?" I can see what the oligarchs fought for. But average maidanites - for what?

Indeed, as Kristina Rus commented, - for what? Fortunately, there is also a wise man in the Novo Russian army who sees the futility. _https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0DCldlTLWOI

"We are supposedly fighting against the oligarchy, but for some reason we are killing each other."--Mozgovoy's address
1/29/2015
An Address by Brigade Commander Mozgovoy to the soldiers onboth sides of the Civil War.

Translated from Russian by J.Hawk

“I want to address all those who are fighting on both sides. We are, by and large, killing each other, instead of punishing those who deserve punishment [video shows Poroshenko]. We are supposedly fighting against the oligarchy, but for some reason we are killing each other. In other words, we are carrying out a premeditated suicide. I already said this in the fall: the gladiators should have left the Colosseum. But instead we are seeing new Colossea being organized. What do we need that for? War for the sake of war is stupid. Does anyone still remember why we rose up? It seems that Ukraine is being governed by those against whom we rose up [photos of wealthy Ukrainian politicians and oligarchs, including Poroshenko, Taruta, Kolomoysky, Avakov, Yaroslavsky, Akhmetov]. Is it not time to come to our senses, on both sides? Otherwise none of us soldiers will be left alive. While those against whom we should be fighting [smiling, glistening face of Poroshenko fills the screen, followed by laughing Kolomoysky, Yatsenyuk, Turchinov], they will live on. And everything will be as before. Therefore I am turning to you once again: start thinking. Your brain ought to start working, not your grenade launcher. Then everything will be as it should. As long as weapons speak, there will be only death. Turn your heads on.

Many people die, and even though civilians die, men die in greater numbers. As a result quite a few are left alone, or realize the situation in the country is not very bright, or that it does not correspond to their dreams. Perhaps it is not surprising that more than a few Ukrainian women appear to seek to get out of Ukraine using dating site services.

EDIT: Regarding women in Ukraine and the war, I just found this about a deputy of the former Ukrainian Parliament, Victoria Shilova from Dnepropetrovsk. According to the FB page of South Front 2 _https://www.facebook.com/SouthFrontEnTwo/posts/394240487412715 Victoria Shilova was sentenced to eight years of prison for opposing the war. To see how much power she could put out when she was still allowed to speak watch this video with English subs _https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZMwPDdmB_o&feature=youtu.be How interesting the EU is not up in arms about this woman having been slenced. I guess they might soon follow.

 

[thorbiorn]

[...]

EDIT: Regarding women in Ukraine and the war, I just found this about a deputy of the former Ukrainian Parliament, Victoria Shilova from Dnepropetrovsk. According to the FB page of South Front 2 _https://www.facebook.com/SouthFrontEnTwo/posts/394240487412715 Victoria Shilova was sentenced to eight years of prison for opposing the war. To see how much power she could put out when she was still allowed to speak watch this video with English subs _https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZMwPDdmB_o&feature=youtu.be How interesting the EU is not up in arms about this woman having been slenced. I guess they might soon follow.

I can't confirm Victoria Shilova has got 8 years, but she is accused of hindering the work of the army with her antiwar compaing: _https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cv3Bs5EliQk and she has said, she was guilty of being against mobilization: _https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04vsfAW8dHI but in the same video she accuses the Kiev top government of being war criminals whio will one day go to court and have to answer for the 30.000 dead people (so far). The other day, she asked why the sons of presidents and oligarchs do not go to war and suggested in another post that the Maidan and the Anti Maidan should join together and go against the oligarchs, just like Mozgovoy mentioned in the privious post. If anyone is interested, the Antiwar twitter is _https://twitter.com/antiwar2014/followers

 

[SeekinTruth]

Thanks for the updates, thorbiorn. I'd seen the info about Victoria Shilova. And Mozgovoy has been very anti-oligarch for a while - I've seen videos and text over several months.

The situation in Ukraine is really insane. The evil spread by the Empire is even more striking there as the incompetence of the puppets is unbelievable, in addition to their evil.

 

[anothermagyar]

Thanks for the updates, thorbiorn. I'd seen the info about Victoria Shilova. And Mozgovoy has been very anti-oligarch for a while - I've seen videos and text over several months.

The situation in Ukraine is really insane. The evil spread by the Empire is even more striking there as the incompetence of the puppets is unbelievable, in addition to their evil.

I second that. :)
Thank you and share it on Facebook, twitter.

 

[Niall]

Lumiere_du_Code, Thorbiorn, and others. You do not need to deactivate links you post here by placing an underscore in front of them, unless they are known disinfo sites, or blatant propaganda articles from mainstream sites. Surely you WANT people to read RT, fortruss, etc??!

 

[Skyalmian]

Lumiere_du_Code, Thorbiorn, and others. You do not need to deactivate links you post here by placing an underscore in front of them, unless they are known disinfo sites, or blatant propaganda articles from mainstream sites. Surely you WANT people to read RT, fortruss, etc??!

It will take time to undo that because it's been a forum-wide pattern for years.

 

[Yozilla]

Is Washington letting Crimea (and possibly some more oblasts) go?

US Treasury has revised sanctions regime in Russia’s Crimea, allowing residents of the peninsula to operate US bank accounts. Crimeans will also be able to send and receive non-commercial personal money transfers.

Washington is easing the latest restrictions it imposed on Crimeans on December 19, making concessions to those residents of the peninsula that were not earlier specifically blacklisted by the US.

From: http://rt.com/news/228171-us-treasury-crimea-money/

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[thorbiorn]

A few links, reports and comments about the ongoing mobilization in Ukrarine
The current mobilizations are not going too well for the Kiev government. And the evidence is there form people related to the government:

Poroshenko adviser leaks disastrous data about the fourth wave of mobilization

And from women in the city of Kramatorsk:

"If you are for Obama, go to America!"--Kramatorsk women defy Ukrainian army
1/31/2015

Mothers of Kramatorsk draftees call themselves “Russian” and tell the military commissar to go to the US.
[http://politikus.ru/events/41880-materi-prizyvnikov-kramatorska-nazvali-sebya-russkimi-i-poslali-voenkoma-v-ssha.html]

Translated from Russian by J.Hawk

Kramatorsk women staged a meeting at the military commissariat, categorically refusing to allow their children to fight against the militia and said that “we are nearly all Russians.”

The local military commissar Andrey Vasilenko came out to meet with the women and tried to appeal to their sense of patriotism. “While you sleep, eat, rest, these guys are defending your homes,” said Vasilenko, causing an outburst of outraged reactions.

After the tumult quieted down, Vasilenko asked “Are you for Putin? Then, please, go to Russia.”

“And who are you for? Who are you for?”—he was asked in return. Why don’t you go to America if you are for Biden and Obama.”
[...]

And from women in Velikonovoselo:

Ukrainian military promises to leave as soon as the "Russians" arrive By Yurasumy

Translated from Russian by J.Hawk
The women of Velikonovoselo are already openly telling Ukrainian soldiers to leave and not bring war to their homes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?x-yt-cl=85114404&v=hB64ZwinpYA&x-yt-ts=1422579428&feature=player_embedded

What’s interesting to me is that the women are no longer afraid or anything. It’s clear that the mobilization was the proverbial last straw.

P.S. I haven’t seen the much-praised support for the Ukrainian military on the Donbass. Rather the opposite. PEOPLE ARE NO LONGER AFRAID EVEN IN THE REAR AREAS. Half a year ago ten Right-Sectorites with assault rifles would have quickly restored “order”. Now something is stopping them. Clearly they are afraid.

Translator's Note: The video shows a group of local women assembled at the local military commissariat and demanding to know where their mobilized sons and husbands are. The officers are replying that they are not in the zone of fighting but rather at the permanent bases of units to which they were assigned. This does not seem to placate the women, who only get more boisterous. But it's when the officer says that the Ukrainian troops will leave when Russian troops arrive (!) that the crowd explodes. They don't seem terrified at the prospect, rather the opposite, as Yurasumy notes.

I watched the above video which is only in Russian. The remark from the army man that they will leave if the Russians comes, shows perhaps that he knows that would be a bit different http://fortruss.blogspot.uk/2015/01/xyz-what-would-happen-if-russian-army.html
If anyone thinks this soldier is the only one in the Ukraine army who is of the opinion they are not fighting Russian military detachments in Donbass as is claimed by NATO and EU/US then there is also statements from a Ukrainian general quoted in: http://www.globalresearch.ca/ukrainian-government-no-russian-troops-are-fighting-against-us-sanctions-against-russia-based-on-falshoods/5428523

Recently there were news that the Russian government would allow Ukrainian men of military age to come to Russia and stay for more than the usual 30 days. How many have fled in the latest wave is unknown, but at least some have.

Russia was invaded by one MILLION Ukrainian men of military age, hiding from Poroshenko - official data January 31, 2014
Varyag_2007

Translated by Kristina Rus

More than one million male citizens of Ukraine, which is currently in the process of the fourth wave of mobilization, are already on the territory of the Russian Federation, which was declared by the resolution of Verkhovnaya Rada as the "aggressor".

The relevant data was reported at a press conference in Kiev by the founder of the Ukrainian sociological company Research & Branding Group, Yevgeny Kopatko.

"According to the Federal Migration Service there are 2 million 430 thousand citizens of Ukraine now in Russia, including 1 million 172 thousand men of military age".

Translators Note:

2.5 million in addition to 2.5 million in Crimea, in addition to 3-4 million in Donbass ... do the math!

In conclusion, it is safe to say that the public support of the military adventure in Donbas is not up to level. It is also clear that more citizens are understanding their governement is not working for them, but for someone else. Therefore it is hardly surprising many people are resisting the initiatives of the governement to mobilize their grandsons, sons, brothers, boyfriends, husbands and friends.

Thinking about the number of Ukrainian refugees in Russia, one also has to consider that some may have gone elsewhere, and that there two weeks ago were about 600.000 internally displaced people in Ukraine according to the local Ukrainian ambassador. In other word there must be at least 3 million refugees. That amounts to a lot of empty houses and empty land. But land and housing is what some of the people fighting in the battalions have been promised.