NormaRegula said:
FireShadow said:
I did not get any feel of sarcasm or that he was being a jerk from his answers, just someone who already thinks they know the truth and is writing off everything else as "noise" or irrelevant.
Guess I'm not all that familiar with Clif's way with words. Had no idea that SpaceGoatsFarts was a category that Clif uses as Shijing pointed out. It sure sounded sarcastic and jerky...especially in response to RawTruth's polite, reasoned manner.
Persons who think they know the truth and write off everything else as noise or irrelevant tend to be arrogant or flip when presented with new data. Either they twist the new data to fit their preconceived notion/theory or respond in a less than polite manner. Of course, I could be wrong about Clif's manner since I can only comment on what has been presented in this thread.
What is Clif's real aim in all of this? "Every person's destiny is their own. My challenge is knowing." Okay. What about helping others? Clif appears to be living in fear and reacting through it. No hope. No solutions...let alone networking with others who sincerely want to solve some of the problems and are open to new possibilities.
Again, I could be off in my observations.
For what it's worth, I think Clif has been 'compromised'...or rather 'vectored' (I might have written that elsewhere). He seems to have quite an (sincere) infatuation with Jay Wiedner's 'ideas' and conclusions. If I recall the 'timeline' correctly, Clif's pronouncement regarding all things channeled was very shortly after his first endorsement of Jay.....hmmmm. I think that confluence is important.
An interesting aside, I had had a few email exchanges with Clif before he 'discovered' Jay. His replies were brief, but he did reply. After he promoted Jay the first time, I sent him an email, the gist of which was: 'it is my understanding that Jay very well may be dis/misinfo/possibly cointelpro...here are some links (to laura's expose and experiences)'
I never heard back from him on that one. If memory serves, I've sent him a couple since with no reply - which of course could be due to his caretaker duties, or rising popularity, or any other number of factors of which I am unaware.
I don't doubt that Jay has whispered 'sweet nothing's' into Clif's ear as regards the C's.
As regards Helping Others, Clif is doing that, in his own way. He presents the truth as he 'sees' it, with the caveat that the reports are "monkey-mind-interpretations".
Also, your comment "let alone networking with others..." - it needs to be mentioned, that this idea is expressed in the reports, starting in 2008 - I think, under the descriptor set [SOCs(Self Organizing Collectives)] - basically defined as: a spontaneous modular social network of people coming together with the aim of 'solving a problem', once the aim is completed, the group - or rather the temporary organization - 'disbands'.
While reading this in the reports, I immediately thought of THIS network, as an ideal model. Of course, the aim here is "T"ruth, and Everywhence completes that aim 'at once'
I still think Clif is sincere, however I take his 'monkey-mind-explorations-of-linguistic-data' with a couple grains since the introduction of the 'Wiedner-element' into his worldview.
Since I am speaking of Jay Wiedner, I would like to just say that I listened to the Project Camelot interview (well, the first third). All of what I listened to was proclamation after proclamation, as if it were self evident. After a while it was nauseating to listen anymore.
Kris
