Coronavirus Pandemic: Apocalypse Now! Or exaggerated scare story?

neema said:
Wow this thread has moved! What a difference a week makes!

The “mouth foamers”, are out in force! Here in Cancun where I am a teacher at a private English school, they decided on the request of the parents to do distance learning! :scared:
Here only the privileged can quarantine!;-)

In CANCUN! ... WITH 35-degree weather... With 80 % humidity!!! :headbash:

My guess is after a few weeks the parents will be like "Virus or no virus, you are going back to school!". Families do tend to get on each others nerves after all! :-P this will get very interesting!

Well at least I'm having a lot of fun poking holes at the whole quarantine thing here!

This is all like a bad movie! At some level for me at least, its exhilarating to watch!
Especially because of what the C's have said will come after! And I think at this point we can all admit their track record speaks for its self!

Also I ran into this thing somewhere online and was wondering if someone can explain what am I looking at here? Is this truly a patent for this “Carnival Virus™” that’s been going around?
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FYI, the virus is spreading in countries across various climate regions now, which puts a slight dent into the summer hypothesis.

Having said this, it may be spreading in hotter countries slower.

Also, if you look at the countries at the top of the list, all of them are rich developed countries exc Iran.... Begs the question... Does the virus not like poor countries? Ooooor, is it that rich countries can afford testing?

www.worldometers.info

Coronavirus Update (Live): 135,932,798 Cases and 2,938,372 Deaths from COVID-19 Virus Pandemic - Worldometer

Live statistics and coronavirus news tracking the number of confirmed cases, recovered patients, tests, and death toll due to the COVID-19 coronavirus from Wuhan, China. Coronavirus counter with new cases, deaths, and number of tests per 1 Million population. Historical data and info. Daily...
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Going from latest session where Cs say PTB are freaked out because of the STO mutation, it would occur to me that the PTB are resigned to losing this battle.

To explain, the logic of the lockdowns is to flatten the curve, not to entirely eradicate it. By definition, it means the same amount of people will be infected (estimates of upto 80% in some countries) but just over a longer period of time.

Soooo, the virus will spread far and wide. Apparently it has already, which leads me to my next thought.... So C's say virus was in circulation for 2 or so years and most of everyone at least in that session was infected. PTB only started freaking out when the STO mutation occurred. One question they didn't ask was on reinfection because if it was spreading for 2 years already, mutation occurred last October, surely less people will get infected by it IF REINFECTION WASN'T POSSIBLE. So maybe reinfection is possible?
 
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aragorn said:
What do you make of that? Some of it can be explained by the unreliable testing and the 'lumping' everyone with flu symptoms into the corona category. But what I'm most curious about to ask is:

1. Is the fact that 15 patients die during one day highly unusual for a hospital like this?
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No, I can recall 3 or 4 deaths per shift in a hospital that is 1/4th (or less) of the size of a Madrid hospital. Granted, I worked in a region which had one of the most elderly population among the world.

If the hospital now has 600 patients instead of the usual 264, then normally you can expect more deaths for this time of the year.

As she says: "The majority of those who died were over 75-years of age."

2. Why are there more patients (double) than usual? Or is she just believing that because of the hype?
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She already answered that question: "stress level is quite high, when EVERYONE is asking for advice and the patients are in bad shape."

And again: "The majority of those who died were over 75-years of age."

This is what happens if patients who are in a bad shape are banned from the regular visits and follow ups with Primary Health Care doctors. They have nowhere to turn to, but to the ER services. Read my previous posts to get an idea of how the clinical history of someone this age looks like. It's people that need constant follow-ups and medical + nursing check-ups, something that is not being done during the "national emergency". All regular Primary Health Care is on hold right now, and we actually do a very important job in PREVENTING dire situations that end up in the ER. Some ER doctors look at our work with disdain, only because they don't have the patience to do preventive health care. I now respect primary health care doctors after taking care of around 1500 patients for over a year now. It's not easy. On a normal day, I see around 20-30 patients with complex and tragic medical histories, i.e. they're in a bad shape. And other than medical work, we're often the substitute of what in the past was the job of a parishioner for most people. Surely someone should have thought about this?!

3. If, as you've told us, they lump those with flu symptoms into the corona category, why do so many need intensive care? Is it normal for this time of year in Madrid, that e.g. there are many 'normal' and older influenza patients who need intensive care, and that as a doctor you're so busy you don't have time to eat?
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See my previous posts on the subject. It's normal when you have such an aged population with so many diseases piled up into one single old body.

And yes, it's normal to not have time to eat or go the toilet on a bad shift, and I've done multiple ones like that on the ER. And too bad if you're a woman during her period. I know what I speak of!

People have no idea how real life is in the ER, unless they've experienced it themselves.

It's normal to have a 6-8 hour waiting time to get attended in the ER in cities like Madrid and Valencia. A woman whom I practiced Martial Arts told me she waited 12 hours after she broke her arm in Madrid. I remember the mother of a colleague who had a gallbladder infection. Due to her symptoms, she had relative priority to get medical assistance. Yet she waited 6 hours until a doctor saw her in a hospital in Valencia. We joked that she could have driven to our town which is 2 hours away and that we would have seen her first.

The problem here is the collective hysteria that is feeding the ER consultation frenzy and of course, that Primary Health Care is on hold until this "national emergency" winds down. And by then, patients who had 1 year waiting list to see a neurologist would be told, "sorry, no neurologist for another 2 year, if ever".
 
Gaby said:
No, I can recall 3 or 4 deaths per shift in a hospital that is 1/4th (or less) of the size of a Madrid hospital. Granted, I worked in a region which had one of the most elderly population among the world.

If the hospital now has 600 patients instead of the usual 264, then normally you can expect more deaths for this time of the year.

As she says: "The majority of those who died were over 75-years of age."



She already answered that question: "stress level is quite high, when EVERYONE is asking for advice and the patients are in bad shape."

And again: "The majority of those who died were over 75-years of age."

This is what happens if patients who are in a bad shape are banned from the regular visits and follow ups with Primary Health Care doctors. They have nowhere to turn to, but to the ER services. Read my previous posts to get an idea of how the clinical history of someone this age looks like. It's people that need constant follow-ups and medical + nursing check-ups, something that is not being done during the "national emergency". All regular Primary Health Care is on hold right now, and we actually do a very important job in PREVENTING dire situations that end up in the ER. Some ER doctors look at our work with disdain, only because they don't have the patience to do preventive health care. I now respect primary health care doctors after taking care of around 1500 patients for over a year now. It's not easy. On a normal day, I see around 20-30 patients with complex and tragic medical histories, i.e. they're in a bad shape. And other than medical work, we're often the substitute of what in the past was the job of a parishioner for most people. Surely someone should have thought about this?!



See my previous posts on the subject. It's normal when you have such an aged population with so many diseases piled up into one single old body.

And yes, it's normal to not have time to eat or go the toilet on a bad shift, and I've done multiple ones like that on the ER. And too bad if you're a woman during her period. I know what I speak of!

People have no idea how real life is in the ER, unless they've experienced it themselves.

It's normal to have a 6-8 hour waiting time to get attended in the ER in cities like Madrid and Valencia. A woman whom I practiced Martial Arts told me she waited 12 hours after she broke her arm in Madrid. I remember the mother of a colleague who had a gallbladder infection. Due to her symptoms, she had relative priority to get medical assistance. Yet she waited 6 hours until a doctor saw her in a hospital in Valencia. We joked that she could have driven to our town which is 2 hours away and that we would have seen her first.

The problem here is the collective hysteria that is feeding the ER consultation frenzy and of course, that Primary Health Care is on hold until this "national emergency" winds down. And by then, patients who had 1 year waiting list to see a neurologist would be told, "sorry, no neurologist for another 2 year, if ever".
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Many thanks for taking the time to answer. Explains a lot. I’ll read your previous post.
 
SOTTREADER said:
Also, if you look at the countries at the top of the list, all of them are rich developed countries exc Iran.... Begs the question... Does the virus not like poor countries? Ooooor, is it that rich countries can afford testing?
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Interesting questions. The UN recognises 251 countries and territories in the world, yet the coronavirus update page you linked to states:

"The coronavirus COVID-19 is affecting 196 countries and territories around the world and 1 international conveyance (the Diamond Princess cruise ship harbored in Yokohama, Japan)."

So, what's going on in those other 55 countries and territories?
 
liam1310 said:
But, if you read that CDC quote again, you’ll see the CDC is ordering labs to report a positive test result to public health agencies—where it will be counted as a “coronavirus case” come hell or high water.
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I may say some stupid thing here, but maybe it's not so bad, because the more people will have it, the more useless a vaccine will be. So they somehow shoot themselves in the foot.

OK, still I know they won't let a contradiction stop them. Like the first measure was to close the school while saying the young were spared. (But thanks to the C's, all this is very more clear !)
 
Alejo said:
Just came across this:


here’s the source:
Suicides from depression will be ‘FAR GREATER’ than coronavirus deaths unless America reopens for business ‘soon’ – Trump
Suicides from depression will be ‘FAR GREATER’ than coronavirus deaths unless America reopens for business ‘soon’ – Trump

“People get tremendous anxiety and depression and you have suicide over things like this, when you have a terrible economy, you have death,” Trump said Monday at the White House daily press briefing, adding it would “definitely be in far greater numbers than we’re talking about with regard to the virus

This was a medical problem, we’re not going to let it turn into a long-lasting financial problem,” he added, urging Congress to pass the $2 trillion stimulus bill urgently and without partisan politicking, as workers and employees across the US were hurting from lockdowns and quarantines
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JEEP said:
Just heard on Fox news that Trump does not want the 15-day shutdown extended (same in today's newspaper)
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Well, Trump isn't playing ball when it comes down to Corona. I think there are very powerful people who won't like his proposed handling of the situation at all. At the same time, if Trumps succeeds in not following what they demand (which is a big if), I think the people in the US can and should be rather lucky and grateful for what he is doing:

 
N1mTzo said:
Hello everyone from Russia. I have been reading this forum for a long time, for more than 7 years, but I never wrote anything here, since the language barrier is quite serious for me. You have to use an automatic translator (from English to Russian and vice versa).
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Hi @N1mTzo,

I am very glad that you have decided to jump in. The automatic translator are nowadays pretty good and allows us to communicate together. Deepl translator is probably one of the best.

So don't hesitate to write other posts. ;-)
 
For those of you who speak German I wanted to share a voice of reason I found today. Sucharit Bhakdi is a medical specialist and has been director of the Institute of Medical Microbiology and Hygiene at the University Mainz.


In the short interview, he is debunking the Corona numbers as presented by the mainstream media. He is of course now smeared by a media campaign and I don't know whether it is hilarious or outrageous or rather both to see the media judging his numbers and facts to unscientific. I mean talking about a life of research and experience but we are far beyond that point.

To give a short summary of what he does in the video: he gives a short explanation on what coronaviruses are and how common they are. He then goes on to compare the average number of daily death in Germany (around 2200) and the percentage of death where coronaviruses have been found ( approx. 1%= 22, they were not the reason for the death but one factor amongst other illnesses) and he compares that to the numbers we are currently looking at in Germany with regard the coronavirus (approx. 30 death, officially linked to the coronavirus). That gives the hysteria of the shut down of entire countries a whole new perspective. He also was very clear about the negative impact the isolation might have especially on the elderly and calls the whole situation irresponsible.

That just to quickly sum it up, I am so grateful for every reasonable voice from the medical field that dares going out there and tell the truth. It costs those people a lot.
 
OK - very hard to keep current on forum now so hope not repetitious.
Regarding the increase in suicides possible from current restrictive measures, I saw somewhere that people can get PTSD after just 10 days of confinement/isolation. How Assange is still alive mentally, if he even is . . .

Yes, now more than ever, TRUMP! I keep thinking his name is instrumental to this point in time. Instrumental - hmmm . . .
in·stru·men·tal
/ˌinstrəˈmen(t)l/
  1. serving as a means of pursuing an aim or policy.
  2. (of music) performed on instruments, with no vocals.
What does it mean if someone is instrumental?
: very important in helping or causing something to happen or be done.
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Definition of trump (Entry 2 of 4)
transitive verb
1: to get the better of : OVERRIDE
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I'm thinking Trump is going to trump the 3DSTS!
 
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Maat said:
I may say some stupid thing here, but maybe it's not so bad, because the more people will have it, the more useless a vaccine will be. So they somehow shoot themselves in the foot.

OK, still I know they won't let a contradiction stop them. Like the first measure was to close the school while saying the young were spared. (But thanks to the C's, all this is very more clear !)
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I was going to ask this very question, but then I figured that even those who tested positive will be told to vaccinate anyway, because we will told that the next strain ( coming to your town soon) is much more virulent, just like a lot of people go for their flu jabs every year.
 
cassandra said:
I was going to ask this very question, but then I figured that even those who tested positive will be told to vaccinate anyway, because we will told that the next strain ( coming to your town soon) is much more virulent, just like a lot of people go for their flu jabs every year.
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No. You always have to have a vaccine against the one strain you want to vaccinate against. This is the same with the flu and why there are always (every year) new vaccines to be found. No vaccine against a certain corona/influenza/rhino or whatever virus will work in the next - the mutated - generation. Dr. Wodarg explains this very often.
 
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