Peeps, you know what, I've just been on Twitter and even tried Tweetdeck. Doesn't look like there are very many people out there tweeting rational and objective links/materials. I try to do so for a few minutes every day, but I sure could use some help. If just 50 of us did so, faithfully, I think it might make a difference. Just collect a dozen or so article links or some graphics, and put them up to kind of try to balance the perspective.
 
Where I live, it's a ghost town, I was out shopping yesterday, in my designated time slot. The look of strain on people faces is amazing. The social compliance and grooming going on is unbelievable, one man broke away from his designated position and engaged me in conversation, mostly about the changing weather patterns, he lived in the prairies and voiced concern of the tornados that have been occurring in the prairies, he said he had never seen it so bad before. His wife gave him a filthy look and he promptly stepped back on the area marked out as a safe distance.

This is psychopathological, elite, PTB, 4D using our emotions, mostly fear to police one another, who needs handlers, when the population that are ignorant and unaware can police themselves.

If this does not highlight the C's saying knowledge protects ignorance endangers, then I don't know what does.

My concern is how many of those restrictions will be left in place if/when this bogus pandemic ends, and also what is going on behind the scenes with so many people on lockdown, I think it yesterday on the RT early broadcast, the presenter said that 3 billion of the worlds population are now in self isolation.

It is pretty much obvious, we are now in a cashless society, all purchases monitored and logged, makes it easier for the PTB to control supply lines, reminiscent of 1984 movie, chocolate rations increased double plus good, double speak. The unemployment figures are staggering at present, I wonder how many will have a job to return to, will this bring the mentioned Universal Income, another way of maintaining compliance and quashing dissent, will this be used as a soft kill for those don't comply.

This is very bleak. I will finish for now, I have to go the pharmacy to pick up a prescription later, and am curious to find out if there will be any disruption in the drug supply, I don't use the generic form of medication, it's rubbish. another con job on the population, drive down the cost of an ever burgeoning healthcare budget.

Will report back and share the information I receive.
 
I think this brilliant article by Laura on SOTT (2007) has been linked previously but for those who may have missed it, I think it deserves regular resuscitation and especially now as the new day-today reality becomes more firmly established and its stresses likely to increasingly show up in the wider population. I would recommend reading it very carefully and taking in its implications with regard to one of the purposes behind any sustained process of ‘house’ arrest etc now facing much of the world’s human population (of dogs).

It also strikes me that the PTB may be using this policy in an effort to counteract possible beneficial results of recent contact with the virus that have only recently been activated - and hence are weakly established as of yet - and possibly can be counteracted by massive amounts of new stress?





Transmarginal Inhibition

Laura Knight-Jadczyk
Cassiopedia.com
Sun, 08 Jul 2007 08:19 UTC

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Pavlov demonstrated that when Transmarginal Inhibition began to take over a condition similar to hysteria manifested. In states of fear and excitement, normally sensible human beings will accept the most wildly improbably suggestions

Transmarginal Inhibition

Transmarginal Inhibition, or TMI, is an organism's response to overwhelming stimuli. Ironically, the popular acronym TMI means too much information, which can be a common factor of transmarginal inhibition in today's culture.

Research

Ivan Pavlov enumerated details of TMI on his work of conditioning animals via various stimuli, including pain. (It is not true that all of Pavlov's work was inducing responses via pain as is often reported.)

Pavlov discovered that an organism's level of tolerance to various stimuli varied significantly depending on fundamental differences in temperament. He commented:

"that the most basic inherited difference among people was how soon they reached this shutdown point and that the quick-to-shut-down have a fundamentally different type of nervous system." [1]

This led him to pay increasing attention to the need to classify subjects according to their inherited constitution before applying experimental conditioning.

Not only did dogs respond differently to conditioning according to their temperament, when a dog broke down under stress, its treatment depended on its constitutional type. For instance, Pavlov confirmed that sedatives were very helpful in restoring stability to the nerves of a dog that had broken down, but that the one type might require 5 to 8 times as much medication than that required by another type even if the body weight was exactly the same.

The Four Temperaments

Based on the empirical evidence accumulated through thirty years of research, Pavlov was convinced of the idea of the four basic temperaments. He noted that these temperaments approximated closely to those differentiated in man by Hippocrates. Though various blends of basic temperamental patterns appeared in Pavlov's dogs, they could be distinguished as such instead of by creating new categories.

1. The first type corresponded with Hippocrates's "choleric" type which Pavlov called "strong excitatory."

2. The second type: "sanguine" which Pavlov named "lively", applied to dogs of a more balanced temperament.

The normal response to imposed stresses or conflict situations by these two types was increased excitement and more aggressive behavior, but that is where the similarity ended. The "strong excitatory", or choleric, type would turn so wild as to be completely out of hand as opposed to the "sanguine" type which continued to behave with purposeful and controlled reactions.

3. The phlegmatic type, Pavlov called "calm, imperturbable”, and the

4. melancholic was called "weak inhibitory" type.

In these two types, imposed stresses and conflict situations were met with more passivity or "inhibition" rather than aggression. The "weak inhibitory" type, or melancholic, constitutional tendency was to meet anxieties and conflicts with passivity and avoidance of tension. Any strong experimental stress imposed on such a dog's nervous system resulted in the dog being reduced to a state of brain inhibition and "fear paralysis."

Pavlov found that the other three types, when faced with more stress than could be coped with by the usual means, would also eventually enter a state of brain inhibition similar to that state entered very quickly by the melancholic/weak inhibitory type. He regarded this as a protective mechanism normally employed by the brain as a last resort when pressed beyond endurance.

The "weak inhibitory" type was an exception to the other three types: this type of dog went into a state of protective brain inhibition more rapidly and in response to lighter stresses.

The important finding was, of course, that the four basic natures responded differently to different levels of stress both before, during, and after experiments, the most important datum being that the weak inhibitory type was particularly susceptible.

Regarding the weak inhibitory type, Pavlov observed that though the basic temperamental pattern is inherited, every dog has been conditioned since birth by varied environmental influences which can produce long-lasting inhibitory patterns of behavior under certain stresses. Therefore, the final pattern of behavior of any given dog will depend on both its own constitution as well as specific patterns of behavior induced by prior environmental stresses. [2]

The Ultraboundary Response

Later, when Pavlov was experimentally applying his discoveries about dogs to human psychology, he noted carefully what happened when the higher nervous system of the dog was strained beyond the limits of normal response, and compared these states to clinical reports of various kinds of mental breakdowns in human beings. He found that more severe and prolonged stresses could be applied to dogs of the "lively" or "calm imperturbable" type without causing a breakdown, than to those of the "strong excitatory" and "weak inhibitory" types.

Pavlov was convinced that this "ultraboundary" response that he called Transmarginal Inhibition, was the brain's protective mechanism. When it occurred, it meant that the brain had no other means of avoiding physical damage due to fatigue and nervous stress. He found that he could determine the degree of protective inhibition in any dog at any moment by using his salivary gland conditioned reflex protocol. Even if the dog seemed normal upon visual examination, the amount of saliva being secreted could tell him what was happening in the dog's brain, i.e. whether the inhibitory response was initiating, and to what stage it had developed.

The Flood and Brainwashing


Apparently, an accidental event led to some of Pavlov's more advanced experiments in induced TMI. In 1924, there was a flood in Leningrad. Pavlov had conditioned an entire group of dogs before this flood, during which they were trapped in their cages as the water rose steadily in the laboratory. The dogs were swimming around in terror, fighting to hold their heads above water when, at the last possible moment, a lab attendant came and pulled them down through the water and out of their cage doors to safety.

This event was evidently terrifying in the extreme to the dogs. Some of them switched from a state of acute excitement to severe Transmarginal Protective Inhibition. When Pavlov tested some of them soon after, he found that the recently implanted conditioned reflexes had all disappeared. Other dogs which had faced the ordeal were not affected. Pavlov realized that for those dogs whose conditioning had been wiped away by terror, there was a further degree of inhibitory activity that was capable of wiping the mental slate clean. Most dogs that had reached this stage of "brainwashing" could later have their old conditioned behaviors restored, but it took months of patient work. They were, effectively, "newborn". If Pavlov would allow a trickle of water to run in under the door of the laboratory, all the dogs were sensitive to, and affected by, the sight; but most particularly those dogs who had been "brainwashed" by the flood.

Even though some of the dogs had resisted total breakdown, Pavlov was convinced that appropriate stresses "properly applied", could have induced breakdown in every one of them. At the end of his life, Pavlov told an American physiologist that the observations made on this occasion had convinced him that every dog had its "breaking point". [3]

Four Main Types of Stress

Among Pavlov's most important findings was what can happen to conditioned behavior when the brain of a dog is pushed to the "ultraboundary" limit by stresses and conflict beyond its habitual response capacity. He was able to bring about what he called a "rupture in higher nervous activity" by utilizing four main types of imposed stresses.

1) The first type of stress was simply an increase in the intensity of the signal to which the dog was initially conditioned. If this was gradually increased, at a certain point, when the signal was too strong for its system, the dog would begin to break down.

2) The second way of achieving the ultraboundary event was to increase the time between the giving of the signal and the arrival of food. If a dog was conditioned to receive food five seconds after the warning signal, and this period was then prolonged, signs of restlessness and abnormal behavior would become evident in the less stable dogs. Pavlov discovered that the dog's brains revolted against any abnormally long waiting period while under stress. Breakdown would occur when the dog had to either exert very strong, or very prolonged, inhibition. (Human beings also find protracted waiting while under stress to be debilitating: worse than the event that produces the anxiety.)

3) The third way of inducing a breakdown was to confuse the dogs by anomalies in the conditioning signal. If positive and negative signals were given one after the other, (yes, no, yes, no, etc), the hungry dog would become uncertain as to what would happen next and this disrupted the normal nerve stability. This is also true with human beings.

4) The fourth way of inducing a breakdown in a dog was to destabilize the dog's physical condition in some way, either by subjecting it to long periods of work, inducing gastro-intestinal disorders, fever, disturbing the glandular balance, surgery, etc.

If, in any case, the first three methods would fail to induce a breakdown in a particular dog, it could be achieved by utilizing the same stresses that had failed, but doing so only after initiating the fourth protocol: physical destabilization. Pavlov also discovered that, after physical destabilization, a breakdown might occur even in temperamentally stable dogs and also that any new behavior pattern occurring afterward might become a fixed element of the dog's personality even long after recovery from the debilitating experience.


In the weak inhibitory type of dog, new neurotic patterns implanted under such conditions could frequently be readily removed by little more than doses of sedatives. But in the calm and lively types - which often needed to be surgically castrated in order to physically debilitate them sufficiently to cause a breakdown - Pavlov discovered that the newly implanted pattern was quite often ineradicable after the dog had recovered its health. Pavlov thought that this was due to the natural toughness of the nervous systems in such types of dogs. The new behaviors were difficult to implant without temporarily induced debilitation and subsequently seemed to be as strong a part of the dog's "stubborn nature" as the old pattern.

As observed by Pavlov, tolerance of stimulation varies greatly between individuals. Highly sensitive persons may be over stimulated by the loud volumes in a movie theater or the background confusion of a large social gathering. Other individuals will find those same stimulations as ideal stimulation levels, or even understimulating.

Three Stages of TMI


Pavlov established that the ability of a dog to resist heavy stress not only depended on its type, but its physical condition. Once the ultraboundary had been reached and cerebral inhibition induced, very strange things began to happen in the dog's brain. These changes could be measured with some precision (by the amounts of saliva secreted), and, unlike with human beings, were not altered by subjective distortions. That is to say, there was no question of the dog trying to explain away or rationalize their odd behavior as human beings do. Three distinct and progressive stages of "ultraboundary" inhibition were described by Pavlov.

1) The Equivalent Phase of cortical brain activity. In this phase, all stimuli, of whatever strength resulted only in the same amounts of saliva being produced. In the human being, a similar phenomenon is observed when a normal person is in a state of extreme fatigue; they report that there is very little difference between their emotional reactions to either trivial or important experiences. They may say "I'm too tired to care."

2) The Paradoxical Phase. When even stronger stresses are applied (and this can be pain or any other mental, physical, or emotional stress), the equivalent phase passes into the paradoxical phase. In this state, weak stimuli can produce a stronger reaction than a strong stimuli. The reason for this is that the strong stimuli only increase the state of protective inhibition while the weak stimuli can still produce positive responses. When a human being is in this stage, their behavior can reverse in a way that seems totally irrational to an outside observer.

3) The Ultra-Paradoxical Phase. The third stage is where positive conditioned responses suddenly reverse to negative responses and negative ones to positive. The dog (or person) may suddenly find that they like what they formerly detested and loathe what they formerly loved. In this stage, the organism's response becomes opposed to all its previous conditioning.

Additional research on these phases was done by William Sargant in his work on shell-shocked servicemen.

Significance To Human Psychology


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People are a lot like Pavlov's dogs...​


This last discovery has great relevance to understanding similar changes in behavior in human beings.



Toward the end of a long period of some type of debilitation, people of very strong character have been known to make a dramatic change in their beliefs and/or convictions. When they recover, they then are known to remain true to their new beliefs for the rest of their lives. There are many case histories of people who experience various types of conversion - religious, political, etc - during times of war, in prison, or after having some prolonged terrifying experience such as shipwreck, plane crash, etc.

Much of human behavior is the result of conditioned patterns of responses that begin to form in infancy and childhood. These patterns of response to reality can persist almost unchanged, but in general, the healthy adult human has learned to adapt their programs to changes in their environment. Other human responses are due to study and learning; driving a car, for example. In the beginning, learning to drive and negotiate in traffic requires a great deal of attention. Later on, it becomes more automatic and the driver can navigate in busy city traffic while talking, eating, or doing any number of other activities. "Driving" has become an automatic program. But if the driver then travels into the country where there is little traffic, he is able to adapt to changing conditions and does this automatically.

So it is that an organism's brain is required to build ever more elaborate structures of both positive and negative conditioned responses - behavior patterns - to the changing conditions of the environment. Pavlov showed that the nervous system of a dog could develop extraordinary powers of discrimination automatically. A dog could be made to salivate in reaction to a tone of exactly 500 vibrations per minute, not 490 or 510.

Negative conditioned responses, such as anger or "fight or flight" reactions are generally controlled in civilized societies though it is occasionally necessary to activate them in response to changes in the environment such as threat or a life-or-death emergency.

The emotional attitudes and patterns of response are also conditioned in the human being though most people do not like to admit this. We learn as children to feel attraction or revulsion for certain things, people, events, and so on. Words such as "Catholic," or "Communist" can evoke instant emotional reactions that have no relation to any facts or data, but are simply programmed attitudes acquired by conditioning within the family and society.

Use in Mind Control


The work of Ivan Pavlov was found by the Soviet totalitarian regime to be quite useful in pursuing their political policy of indoctrination. As evidence of this fact, it is noted that in July, 1950, a medical directive was issued in Russia for a re-orientation of all Soviet medicine along Pavlovian lines. [4] The reason for this directive is apparently due to the most impressive results that were obtained by applying Pavlovian principles.

Pavlov's work seems to have strongly influenced the techniques used in Russia and China for the "eliciting of confessions", for brainwashing and for inducing political conversions. This research has, apparently, been carried on in the U.S. by secret services who have a vested interest in "debunking" and marginalizing such information. Most of Pavlov's findings applicable to Mind Control are reported in a series of Pavlov's later lectures translated by Horsley Gantt, published in Great Britain and the United States in 1941 under the title "Conditioned Reflexes and Psychiatry." [5] Professor Y. P. Frolov's book about these experiments, Pavlov and His School [6] has also been translated into English. Later books made little or no reference to most of Pavlov's important findings along the line of Mind Control. Joseph Wortis, M.D., in his study "Soviet Psychiatry", published in the U.S. in 1950 [7], made a point to emphasize the importance of Pavlov's experiments in psychiatry, but gave very few details of the last phase of this work that dealt with Mind Control. Other books contain many details of Pavlov's early experimental work, but little to nothing of his later work relevant to Mind Control and brain-washing.

Pavlov demonstrated that when Transmarginal Inhibition began to take over a dog, a condition similar to hysteria in a human manifested. The applications of these findings to human psychology suggest that for a "conversion" to be effective, it is necessary to work on the subject's emotions until s/he reaches an abnormal condition of fear, anger or exaltation. If such a state is maintained or intensified by any of various means, hysteria is the result.



In a state of hysteria, a human being is abnormally suggestible and influences in the environment can cause one set of behavior patterns to be replaced by another without any need for persuasive indoctrination. In states of fear and excitement, normally sensible human beings will accept the most wildly improbably suggestions.

Social Implications


The means by which TMI operates on the individual is rather clear; what is less clear is how hysteria affects larger groups even moving to the macro-scale. Nevertheless, scientific observers of U.S. society since September 11, 2001, often point out that the events of that day were a classic example of inducing Transmarginal Inhibition in masses of people in order to condition them to accept the destruction of the U.S. Democratic government.

References


Frolov, Y.P. (1938). Pavlov and His School. Trans. by C.P. Dutt. Kegan Paul, Trench, Trubner, London.

Babkin, B.P. (1951) Pavlov. A Biography. Gollancz, London.

Asratyan, E.A. (1953) I.P. Pavlov: His Life and Work (English translation) Foreign Languages Publishing House, Moscow.

Boakes, R. A. (1984). From Darwin to behaviourism. Cambridge: Cambridge University Press.

Firkin, B. G.; & Whitworth, J. A. (1987). Dictionary of Medical Eponyms. Parthenon Publishing. ISBN 1-85070-333-7

Pavlov, I. P. (1927). Conditioned Reflexes: An Investigation of the Physiological Activity of the Cerebral Cortex (translated by G. V. Anrep). London: Oxford University Press.

Todes, D. P. (1997). "Pavlov's Physiological Factory," Isis. Vol. 88. The History of Science Society, p. 205-246.

External links

Battle for the Mind by William Sargant

Brainwashing: Lecture Notes: Physiological Perspective

The Battle For Your Mind

PBS article

Nobel Prize website biography of I. P. Pavlov

Institute of Experimental Medicine article on Pavlov

Link to full text of Pavlov's lectures

The Highly Sensitive Person or the HSP


Laura Knight-Jadczyk
Laura Knight-Jadczyk is a seventh generation Floridian, a historian and author of 14 books and many articles published in print and on the internet. She is the founder of SOTT.net and lives in France with her husband, Polish mathematical physicist, Arkadiusz Jadczyk, her extended family, eight dogs, five birds and a cat.
 
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Niall did a pretty good job digging out those details earlier in this thread, and then, the Croatian scientist was saying about asbestosis as a main co-morbity in some of these regions in Lombardy. It could have been the perfect storm, so to say.

In this article, this Pablo Goldschmidt, a renowned Argentinian virologist speaks out about asbestosis in Lombardy too:

-In Italy, in Lombardy, that's where most people die from mesothelioma. All the fibre cement factories that used asbestos were there. Until 1992, when it was banned, it was on roofs and factory insulation. The walls had asbestos, which long crystals that reach the lung, which can then heal, or not. Mesothelioma is the lung cancer caused by asbestosis or asbestos. In the autopsies carried out in Lombardy in the last ten years, 85 percent were due to occupational exposure. Malignant tumors with pulmonary and peritoneal location. And until '92, no one banned the use. Lombardy has ten million inhabitants, it is the place that has more employees in the asbestos industry, the place in the world with more asbestosis. But in addition, asbestos sticks to clothes, to fibres. The haute couture clothes of northern Italy are made by women seamstresses. You can believe that between 2000 and 2012 there were 4,442 malignant mesotheliomas (2,850 in men and 1,592 in women), invasive lung cancer from asbestos exposure. And it's growing. This year there were 3.6 percent more than in previous years in men and 3.3 in women over 65. And until 2030 there will be 20,000 more.

-What's the connection with the coronavirus? -I don't know.

-That in that region, punished by lack of means, the closing of beds, lack of breathing apparatus, we find older people, with lungs with cancer or chronic injuries, which makes a viral infection turns into a deadly one. A lung attacked by a mineral fibre will have a different reaction to a healthy lung. And it is no coincidence that more people die where asbestos factories are located.
 
Peeps, you know what, I've just been on Twitter and even tried Tweetdeck. Doesn't look like there are very many people out there tweeting rational and objective links/materials. I try to do so for a few minutes every day, but I sure could use some help. If just 50 of us did so, faithfully, I think it might make a difference. Just collect a dozen or so article links or some graphics, and put them up to kind of try to balance the perspective.

And for those less familiar or looking for a short way of doing it, you can retweet the posts of Laura or other members.
 
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In short, there is a REASON for the crazy stats in Italy, and probably in other hot spots, though we may not know what those reasons are. And it is just irrational to project the situation in some hotspot on the whole global situation.
Wait till they start mandatory adult vaccinations - like they did in China starting in December 2019. That'll be fun.... not. :headbash:
 
I just returned from the pharmacy, and spoke with the pharmacist, he informed that they are only supplying one month at a time, to control the supply and to prevent stockpiling, reads to me more like controlling access to medications.

I asked about how long the medication will be available, he informed they have several months of supply, other than the drug shortages of some medications, which have already been posted on the government website due to manufacturing practices of generic drugs mostly.

I also stopped off to get some cigs, I smoke American Spirit, which is not in high demand in the area I live, they sell them to me at a price less than commercial brands, they informed me that there stock room is full and they do not anticipate a shortage, for now. They had heard other suppliers that sell commercial brands were having a problem.

On another note, I talked to my sister in the UK she was in the process of drawing out her pension she paid into several years ago from the AA (Automobile Association). She informed me it is gone due to falling stock prices and investments, she may be able to recover it at a later date, maybe in 2 years, she is 63. Does not bode well, this concerns me because I depend on the Municipal Pension here in Canada, for part of my income. I have checked the website, no information is available, but of course can't call and talk to a real person, nobody in the office for customer service.

I think there my be a glimmer of hope for she admitted, the numbers reported, just don't add up, as for seeing this as a massive takeover of peoples rights and freedoms may be another matter, little steps.

On a lighter note, I had 5 bucks and some change in my wallet, bought a lottery ticket, what the hell, I won't be able to use it soon.
 
Oh my. I had a strange experience as well - went to a garden center/tree vendor with my wife to collect gifts someone made to us. We used to like this place a lot. At the beginning, everything seemed fine - until I dared approach one of the employees (who was chatting with a colleague) to ask him a question. To be honest, I had totally forgotten about this corona madness for a second - slip in awareness. So I came a little close to him - still at least 1 meter. Suddenly the guy turns around when he noticed me and literally JUMPED away from me! Then he made a comment like "oh, forgot something, no? Keep the distance"? I was so surprised and shocked by this reaction that I replied "oh yeah, 100 meter at least!" He didn't like that. Later, he looked at me with so much hostility that I just wanted to get out of there. My wife also overheard 2 other employees chatting and being angry about the owner of the place for daring to still open the shop! One of them then said "but he is also the kind of person who still lets the kids see their grandparents!" Jesus... Another employee I approached kept moving away from me, keeping more than 2m distance! She also made a nasty comment along the lines that "we must all adapt now". We later saw a sign somewhere that said "2m minimum", even though the official rule is 1,5m. I was really furious and disturbed, but also didn't handle it too well. All I could manage was keep my anger to myself and try to remain polite.

I have empathy for people who are just afraid because they don't have enough information. But this is something else - these people are NUTS. Gone over to the dark side. Be careful out there everyone! Expect the worst. Better be positively surprised than letting your awareness slip. Who knows what these a****les are capable of.
I also went briefly out today and saw that people behave strangely. There are some that still seem OK, about 10% I would say, then most people are avoiding eye contact and try to keep the distance by pretending that they are looking for something all of a sudden in a different direction, these would probably be about 65% of the people, then you can already see about 20% of them that have high anxiety and about 5% the crazies (like the ones you described), but probably these percentages will continue to slide in the next days as we are about 2-3 weeks behind (in Canada). On a positive note toilet paper starts to slowly re-appear, it is still rationed, but at least you can find it. What's interesting is how each store has its own way of implementing social distancing, some of them make sense, others make no sense whatsoever, for instance this one grocery store I visited today kept only one entrance open in order to provide people with disinfected shopping carts, the problem is that the entrance makes a 90* angle and as people come out of the store with carts, other people get into the store trying to get a cart from the employees disinfecting them, basically a big traffic jam happens which blows away any attempt to keep the 2 m recommended distance. It would be funny if it is not sad, but this is who we are as a species and it shows how fragile the society really is.
 
I just returned from the pharmacy, and spoke with the pharmacist, he informed that they are only supplying one month at a time, to control the supply and to prevent stockpiling, reads to me more like controlling access to medications.

I asked about how long the medication will be available, he informed they have several months of supply, other than the drug shortages of some medications, which have already been posted on the government website due to manufacturing practices of generic drugs mostly.

I also stopped off to get some cigs, I smoke American Spirit, which is not in high demand in the area I live, they sell them to me at a price less than commercial brands, they informed me that there stock room is full and they do not anticipate a shortage, for now. They had heard other suppliers that sell commercial brands were having a problem.

On another note, I talked to my sister in the UK she was in the process of drawing out her pension she paid into several years ago from the AA (Automobile Association). She informed me it is gone due to falling stock prices and investments, she may be able to recover it at a later date, maybe in 2 years, she is 63. Does not bode well, this concerns me because I depend on the Municipal Pension here in Canada, for part of my income. I have checked the website, no information is available, but of course can't call and talk to a real person, nobody in the office for customer service.

I think there my be a glimmer of hope for she admitted, the numbers reported, just don't add up, as for seeing this as a massive takeover of peoples rights and freedoms may be another matter, little steps.

On a lighter note, I had 5 bucks and some change in my wallet, bought a lottery ticket, what the hell, I won't be able to use it soon.
Zeesh I can't keep up with this thread, it's evolving so fast, I am a slow reader, I need time to digest. But on the other hand it's wonderful to read/hear so many intelligent voices, discerning the nature of our reality, showing, writing, sharing, giving truth to lies.
 
My daughter works in a private hospital and the carers are regularly supplied with masks, gel etc.. The public hospital is located next to the private, the two buildings touch each other. The situation is not the same in both hospitals. The public lacks masks, outfits such as over-sleeves , etc... Nurses decided to bring their own masks, this was refused and for those who violated this order, they would be "punished" and forced to join the service of patients infected with covid19. The consequence is that the replacements no longer come, the services are understaffed ans the nurses and nursing assistants are at the edge of the nerve
Not sure what Country you're in, but this is the classical approach to destroy the state sponsored healthcare by under funding it and then point at the issues and blame the administration, saying that the state is not a good administrator, even though it seems to be a great administrator when it comes to Military needs...
 
We have 10 deaths so far. Still not enough for complete lockdown. But we are slowly getting there. The curfew during the weekend will be from 15 till 05h. That means that poor doggies will have to be inside with us for 14 hours. People who complain about this are easily shut down by comments that they should have not bought a dog in the first place, since they live in apartment. Yeah, take that dog lovers! It's all your fault!

The weather was nice today and a lot of people went outside, most of them without masks. Our health minister said how angry he was seeing all those people outside, so he decided to increase the curfew. And in the comments people are saying that this is the fault of the people who live in the capitol, because people in small places are supposedly abiding the rules. Yay, let's hate the people from capitol now! It's their fault that we all have to suffer from these new measures! Lock down the capitol, since they do not follow the rules!

People are really saying that, I kid you not.

I heard one woman on the street complaining that she has to pay one euro every day for going out, because that's how much these masks cost here. And I realized that our government just introduced a tax on going outside!

As in other countries, green markets are now closed.

I went to the store and today I got used to this 2m distance rule while waiting outside in a line. All right, I'll play this game with you, I was thinking. But the people with masks are hilarious! Not even 2m is enough for them. The guy behind me was standing maybe 10m behind me!

The good news is that people without masks are still not minority here. But I'm sure that masks will become mandatory at one point, and that it will be our fault that this virus is spreading.

But a scary part came a little later. I heard a young woman speaking on the phone. She asked somebody where can she report the people in the park. She wanted to take a picture of them and report them for braking the rules. Little Nazis are everywhere!
Funny about the masks people. I also noticed someone today in the store and I was thinking that maybe we should suggest to them that rather than them wasting those masks, they should donate them to the local hospital where they are probably more needed.
 
this one Company keeps popping up on the mRNA Vaccine thing: Moderna Inc

Those videos are hubris in real time!!! You don't play with messenger RNA (mRNA) like that!

They say,

The potential advantages of an mRNA approach to prophylactic vaccines include the ability to mimic natural infection to stimulate a more potent immune response, combining multiple mRNAs into a single vaccine, rapid discovery to respond to emerging pandemic threats and manufacturing agility derived from the platform nature of mRNA vaccine design and production.

Well, well! As it happens, the coronavirus is among the largest known RNA viruses. So the vaccine is likely to contain a big chunk of RNA, so to speak. We'll see how that goes!

A: Yes and this is the interesting factor: The virus can change DNA making individuals more susceptible to cosmic information of the STO variety. It can also enhance and activate long suppressed codons of a beneficial nature. So you can see why they are so desperate to halt the spread.

(L) And they were planning on doing exactly that, or something related, but we learn now that it backfired. So the question is: They are now working rapidly on a new vaccine that's supposed to counteract the screwup that they made. And they want to impose this new vaccine on everybody?

A: Yes

Q: (Artemis) Lemme guess: That one's gonna backfire too?

A: Likely. Hubris!

Q: (L) Something like the Black Death would really do a number on the elite, wouldn't it?

(Chu) But it's likely that after this, people are going to think that everything is going back to normal and their systems will be very weak. And then the real deal hits.

A: No

Q: (Artemis) Are people being prepared to deal with the plague?

A: Yes

So they are talking about an mRNA vaccine... Here's an old article I wrote over 7 years ago. It's outdated, especially because the research I quoted was supporting the RNA world evolutionary theory. Sorry, I was more ignorant and naive back then. Though some concepts are still relevant:


"Junk" DNA includes a whole subset of names such as introns, retrotransposable elements, and non-coding RNAs (ncRNAs).[...]

The greatest shock of genomic science was to find that the human genome contains more viral than "human" genes.[...]

Most genetic diversity can be found in virus genes. Scientists agree that there are some 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 viruses in the ocean, and genetically they match almost nothing compared with genes from any microbe, animal, plant or other organism, even from any other known virus.

All living things have hundreds or thousands of genes imported by viruses. There is a group of viral species known as retroviruses which insert their genetic material into the host cell's DNA. When the host cell divides, it copies the virus's DNA along with its own. Retroviruses have "on switches" that prompt their host cell to make proteins out of nearby genes. Sometimes their switches turn on host genes that ought to be kept shut off, and cancer can result. This is precisely what our junk DNA - ncRNA- seems to be doing "next" to genes that have to do with stem cells and cancer cells.

What is known as endogenous retrovirus - endogenous meaning generated within - are the viruses that lurk in the genomes of just about every major group of vertebrates, from fish to reptiles to mammals. Virologists have found retrovirus-like segments in our human genome and they were able to track its genetic code down to an original functioning virus. The virus was called Phoenix, for the mythical bird that rose from its own ashes.

It is known that part of our junk DNA, the retrotransposable elements, is viral in its origin. It includes the endogenous retroviruses. But it is now argued that ncRNA (non coding RNA) might be viral in its origin as well.[3] This has interesting implications in the sense that epigenetic control of gene expression involves this junk DNA - ncRNAs.[4] It would mean that our entire junk DNA (98%) might well be very functional epigenetically speaking (more info on epigenetics below), and active in the induction of regulatory genes [...]

As it happens, a paper came to my attention just recently. I think it is very relevant in the sense that the fragments of hemorrhagic viruses that were speculated to be the cause of the Black Death (for more information see New Light on the Black Death: The Viral and Cosmic Connection), are listed as part of our genome, indicating that life on Earth has been exposed to rather dangerous viruses through our evolutionary history which then effected changes in our DNA:

One of the referenced article, says:


In recent years a wealth of information has accumulated about ncRNAs. They are characterized according to their function, location, length and also in relation with nearest structural genes. The non-coding RNAs have roles in a great variety of processes, including transcriptional regulation, chromosome replication, mRNA processing and modification, mRNA stability and translation, sex determination and even protein degradation and viral defense [3941]. For example, the alteration or loss of non-coding RNAs results in modification in developmental processes and diseases [42]. [...]

RNA editing is an epigenetic regulatory mechanism[...]

RNA editing expands the possibilities for expression of the epigenome by the production of different proteins from a single structural gene [73]. The RNA editing involves not only post-transcriptional changes but also phenotypic changes and therefore greater phenotypic plasticity of the organism against its environment. Thus, RNA editing generates variation of the epigenome contributing to the adaptation of organisms to their environments. In plants, there are data that show that RNA editing mostly affects evolutionarily conserved RNA codon position. These findings support the hypothesis that natural selection has contributed to selective fixation of certain RNA editing sites [74]. In animals and in particular in mammals, RNA editing is especially active in the brain, altering codons in mRNAs. RNA editing and other functional ncRNAs could be involved in diseases and also in brain development, brain plasticity and brain evolution. [...]


The RNA world, even though it doesn't justify evolutionary theory, it does justify Intelligent Design. It's an area that I would be very careful with. It could go both ways. It could backfire in unexpected ways. We do live in interesting times!
 
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