Coronavirus Pandemic: Apocalypse Now! Or exaggerated scare story?

Run for the hills Pentagon sends teams into Mountain Bunkers as Pandemic preparations go into full swing.



"If" high ranking military types are going into bunkers. I don’t think that would be because the masses are about to come out of their cubical and riot in the streets. They are very apt at taking care of that and would probably love the challenge. They may be saying that just for the fear factor, and to add more believability to the pandemic story. "If” they are bunkering-in, I would guess something more along the lines of: rogue elements starting a hot war, incoming comet, big earthquakes on their way, or the next mutation is going to be the whammy.
 
Laura said:
Sometimes, a lawsuit is the only way to get to the truth because the court has the power to order "discovery", that is, the offender has to produce all details about what they did or did not do, financial records, etc. Or, the suing party has to show their hand justifying their suit.

When things get into court, if the system is unbiased, cold hard reality hits people in the face and that's something that many never forget and don't repeat the mistake. It can also lead to changes in laws.
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Here's a link to the article by Fauci:

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMe2002387 said:
Covid-19 — Navigating the Uncharted
Anthony S. Fauci, M.D., H. Clifford Lane, M.D., and Robert R. Redfield, M.D.

The latest threat to global health is the ongoing outbreak of the respiratory disease that was recently given the name Coronavirus Disease 2019 (Covid-19). Covid-19 was recognized in December 2019.1 It was rapidly shown to be caused by a novel coronavirus that is structurally related to the virus that causes severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS). As in two preceding instances of emergence of coronavirus disease in the past 18 years2 — SARS (2002 and 2003) and Middle East respiratory syndrome (MERS) (2012 to the present) — the Covid-19 outbreak has posed critical challenges for the public health, research, and medical communities.

In their Journal article, Li and colleagues3 provide a detailed clinical and epidemiologic description of the first 425 cases reported in the epicenter of the outbreak: the city of Wuhan in Hubei province, China. Although this information is critical in informing the appropriate response to this outbreak, as the authors point out, the study faces the limitation associated with reporting in real time the evolution of an emerging pathogen in its earliest stages. Nonetheless, a degree of clarity is emerging from this report. The median age of the patients was 59 years, with higher morbidity and mortality among the elderly and among those with coexisting conditions (similar to the situation with influenza); 56% of the patients were male. Of note, there were no cases in children younger than 15 years of age. Either children are less likely to become infected, which would have important epidemiologic implications, or their symptoms were so mild that their infection escaped detection, which has implications for the size of the denominator of total community infections.

On the basis of a case definition requiring a diagnosis of pneumonia, the currently reported case fatality rate is approximately 2%.4 In another article in the Journal, Guan et al.5 report mortality of 1.4% among 1099 patients with laboratory-confirmed Covid-19; these patients had a wide spectrum of disease severity. If one assumes that the number of asymptomatic or minimally symptomatic cases is several times as high as the number of reported cases, the case fatality rate may be considerably less than 1%. This suggests that the overall clinical consequences of Covid-19 may ultimately be more akin to those of a severe seasonal influenza (which has a case fatality rate of approximately 0.1%) or a pandemic influenza (similar to those in 1957 and 1968) rather than a disease similar to SARS or MERS, which have had case fatality rates of 9 to 10% and 36%, respectively.2

The efficiency of transmission for any respiratory virus has important implications for containment and mitigation strategies. The current study indicates an estimated basic reproduction number (R0) of 2.2, which means that, on average, each infected person spreads the infection to an additional two persons. As the authors note, until this number falls below 1.0, it is likely that the outbreak will continue to spread. Recent reports of high titers of virus in the oropharynx early in the course of disease arouse concern about increased infectivity during the period of minimal symptoms.6,7

China, the United States, and several other countries have instituted temporary restrictions on travel with an eye toward slowing the spread of this new disease within China and throughout the rest of the world. The United States has seen a dramatic reduction in the number of travelers from China, especially from Hubei province. At least on a temporary basis, such restrictions may have helped slow the spread of the virus: whereas 78,191 laboratory-confirmed cases had been identified in China as of February 26, 2020, a total of 2918 cases had been confirmed in 37 other countries or territories.4 As of February 26, 2020, there had been 14 cases detected in the United States involving travel to China or close contacts with travelers, 3 cases among U.S. citizens repatriated from China, and 42 cases among U.S. passengers repatriated from a cruise ship where the infection had spread.8 However, given the efficiency of transmission as indicated in the current report, we should be prepared for Covid-19 to gain a foothold throughout the world, including in the United States. Community spread in the United States could require a shift from containment to mitigation strategies such as social distancing in order to reduce transmission. Such strategies could include isolating ill persons (including voluntary isolation at home), school closures, and telecommuting where possible.9

A robust research effort is currently under way to develop a vaccine against Covid-19.10 We anticipate that the first candidates will enter phase 1 trials by early spring. Therapy currently consists of supportive care while a variety of investigational approaches are being explored.11 Among these are the antiviral medication lopinavir–ritonavir, interferon-1β, the RNA polymerase inhibitor remdesivir, chloroquine, and a variety of traditional Chinese medicine products.11 Once available, intravenous hyperimmune globulin from recovered persons and monoclonal antibodies may be attractive candidates to study in early intervention. Critical to moving the field forward, even in the context of an outbreak, is ensuring that investigational products are evaluated in scientifically and ethically sound studies.12

Every outbreak provides an opportunity to gain important information, some of which is associated with a limited window of opportunity. For example, Li et al. report a mean interval of 9.1 to 12.5 days between the onset of illness and hospitalization. This finding of a delay in the progression to serious disease may be telling us something important about the pathogenesis of this new virus and may provide a unique window of opportunity for intervention. Achieving a better understanding of the pathogenesis of this disease will be invaluable in navigating our responses in this uncharted arena. Furthermore, genomic studies could delineate host factors that predispose persons to acquisition of infection and disease progression.

The Covid-19 outbreak is a stark reminder of the ongoing challenge of emerging and reemerging infectious pathogens and the need for constant surveillance, prompt diagnosis, and robust research to understand the basic biology of new organisms and our susceptibilities to them, as well as to develop effective countermeasures.

References (12)
1.Pneumonia of unknown cause — China: disease outbreak news. Geneva: World Health Organization, January 5, 2020 (Pneumonia of unknown cause – China. opens in new tab).

2.de Wit E, van Doremalen N, Falzarano D, Munster VJ. SARS and MERS: recent insights into emerging coronaviruses. Nat Rev Microbiol 2016;14:523-534.

3.Li Q, Guan X, Wu P, et al. Early transmission dynamics in Wuhan, China, of novel coronavirus–infected pneumonia. N Engl J Med 2020;382:1199-1207.

4.Coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19): situation report — 36. Geneva: World Health Organization, February 25, 2020 (https://www.who.int/docs/default-so...0225-sitrep-36-covid-19.pdf?sfvrsn=2791b4e0_2. opens in new tab).

5.Guan W, Ni Z, Hu Y, et al. Clinical characteristics of coronavirus disease 2019 in China. N Engl J Med. DOI: 10.1056/NEJMoa2002032.

6.Holshue ML, DeBolt C, Lindquist S, et al. First case of 2019 novel coronavirus in the United States. N Engl J Med 2020;382:929-936.

7.Zou L, Ruan F, Huang M, et al. SARS-CoV-2 viral load in upper respiratory specimens of infected patients. N Engl J Med 2020;382:1177-1179.

8.Coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) in the U.S. Atlanta: Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, February 26, 2020 (https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-in-us.html. opens in new tab).

9.Fong MW, Gao H, Wong JY, et al. Nonpharmaceutical measures for pandemic influenza in nonhealthcare settings — social distancing measures. Emerging Infect Dis 2020;26(5) (Epub ahead of print).

10.DRAFT landscape of COVID-19 candidate vaccines — 18 February 2020. Geneva: World Health Organization (https://www.who.int/blueprint/prior...candidate-vaccines-developed-against-ncov.pdf. opens in new tab).

11.WHO R&D blueprint: informal consultation on prioritization of candidate therapeutic agents for use in novel coronavirus 2019 infection. Geneva: World Health Organization, January 24, 2020 (https://apps.who.int/iris/bitstream/handle/10665/330680/WHO-HEO-RDBlueprint(nCoV)-2020.1-eng.pdf. opens in new tab).

12.Lane HC, Marston HD, Fauci AS. Conducting clinical trials in outbreak settings: points to consider. Clin Trials 2016;13:92-95.
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The way I'm reading this is that Fauci is saying that the current data he has suggests the following:
  • Mortality rate with a dx of pneumonia is ~2% (he doesn't specify what testing was done so some could have flu-related pneumonia)
  • He references a study that claims a 1.4% mortality rate for lab positive COVID-19 tests
  • He then says what everyone here has been saying all along: "If one assumes that the number of asymptomatic or minimally symptomatic cases is several times as high as the number of reported cases, the case fatality rate may be considerably less than 1%. This suggests that the overall clinical consequences of Covid-19 may ultimately be more akin to those of a severe seasonal influenza"
Of course he goes on to say that the disease has a high rate of transmission (R0) of 2.2, outlines what the US is doing to stop spread of the disease, discusses ongoing efforts to develop a vaccine and existing therapies like "chloroquine, and a variety of traditional Chinese medicine products", etc. In other words IMO he is trying to cover his butt because it looks like this disease is not many times more deadly than the flu as he and others have been claiming!
 
Agron said:
It was said that 150 000 people die every day globaly from old age and complications due to being old. And in 3 months of corona craze theres only 20 000 deaths. One day 150000 vs 3 months!! and 20000 (supposed, probably the number is even less)
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The 150k is total deaths from all causes, and corona is at 35,000 now, but yeah, the numbers for corona, while bloated quite a bit, are still nothing to cry about.

But it gets worse if you look at some other random statistics. For example...

> 75,962 Deaths of mothers during birth this year
That's in 3 months, so about 840 per day. Mothers during birth! That's scary as shit. That's something that should change. Not old and sick people dying.

Or how about suicides?
> 263,546 Suicides this year
So sick and old people dying from with a virus is a crisis, but 3000 people killing themselves every day because they can't deal with this f*cked up world ruled by our psychopathic leaders is fine?

You can make anything look like a crisis, if you choose the right camera angle, but sooner or later, reality will catch up with you. Only psychopaths think it won't.
 
Séamas said:
I forgot to mention that we had a thunder and lightening storm here last night! Very unusual for this time of year, especially considering the relatively cool temperatures (in the 40s F).
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Same thing here. We had rain after that we had snow and thunder and lightening during the time it was snowing. I don't remember having seen that during that period of the year.
 
whitecoast said:
Here's a pile of links I have been collecting, since the coronavirus information in this thread is just so colossal that I find it hard to search and find certain things. Anyway:

How to understand the coronavirus death toll
But what is not clear - because the modellers did not map this - is to what extent the deaths would have happened without coronavirus. Every year more than 500,000 people die in England and Wales - factor in Scotland and Northern Ireland, and the figure is around 600,000. The coronavirus deaths will not be in addition to these, as statistician Prof Sir David Spiegelhalter, an expert in public understanding of risk at the University of Cambridge, explains. "There will be substantial overlap in these two groups — many people who die of Covid [the disease caused by coronavirus] would have died anyway within a short period."

99% of Those Who Died From Virus Had Other Illness, Italy Says
More than 99% of Italy’s coronavirus fatalities were people who suffered from previous medical conditions, according to a study by the country’s national health authority.

Coronavirus Death Rate in Wuhan Is Lower than Previously Thought, Study Finds
An inside look at the debate around pandemic bonds, which have $425 million hinging on how deadly the coronavirus ends up being | Markets Insider
Do you think some of these banks betting on pandemic bonds own newspapers?

Israeli virologist urges world leaders to calm public, slams ‘unnecessary panic’
leading Israeli virologist on Sunday urged world leaders to calm their citizens about the coronavirus pandemic, saying people were being whipped into unnecessary panic. Prof. Jihad Bishara, the director of the Infectious Disease Unit at Petah Tikva’s Beilinson Hospital, said that some of the steps being taken in Israel and abroad were very important, but the virus is not airborne, most people who are infected will recover without even knowing they were sick, the at-risk groups are now known, and the global panic is unnecessary and exaggerated. “I’ve been in this business for 30 years,” Bishara said in a Channel 12 interview. “I’ve been through MERS, SARS, Ebola, the first Gulf war and the second, and I don’t recall anything like this. There’s unnecessary, exaggerated panic. We have to calm people down.

Normally 7 to 15% of all flu and acute respiratory infections are caused by a coronavirus. The test for the novel coronavirus is NOT validated, meaning people don't know if it's actually doing what it's intended to do (distinguish the novel coronavirus from other strains or even other viruses.

More Good News from 2 Additional Stanford Professors | TexAgs
"Dr. Eran Bendavid and Dr. Jay Bhattacharya, professors of medicine at Stanford, conclude the current estimates about the Covid-19 fatality rate may be too high by orders of magnitude. They point to the significant "denominator problem" often discussed here by those who are familiar with advanced modeling.
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Next, the northeastern Italian town of V, near the provincial capital of Padua. On March 6, all 3,300 people of V were tested, and 90 were positive, a prevalence of 2.7%. Applying that prevalence to the whole province (population 955,000), which had 198 reported cases, suggests there were actually 26,000 infections at that time. That's more than 130-fold the number of actual reported cases. Since Italy's case fatality rate of 8% is estimated using the confirmed cases, the real fatality rate could in fact be closer to 0.06%.
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An epidemic seed on Jan. 1 implies that by March 9 about six million people in the U.S. would have been infected. As of March 23, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, there were 499 Covid-19 deaths in the U.S. If our surmise of six million cases is accurate, that's a mortality rate of 0.01%, assuming a two week lag between infection and death. This is one-tenth of the flu mortality rate of 0.1%. Such a low death rate would be cause for optimism."

List of interviews of medical experts taking issue with the overblown estimations of mortality

One of those interviewed expands here:
Coronavirus lockdown “useless, grotesque, collective suicide” – World-renowned virologist
How lethal is Covid-19 REALLY? Why massive fatality rates from Italy are MISLEADING
"But the larger number, the confirmed cases, must by definition be an underestimate. It would be impossible for every person in a country positive for the coronavirus to have been already tested and added to the confirmed cases. The virus can be dormant in people for up to two weeks, and young people can experience very mild or even no symptoms at all, and still be positive for the virus. Since that figure is by definition too low, the mortality rates being reported are by definition too high.

Another factor is that governments are being pushed well beyond their capabilities for mass testing and contact tracing, some more than others. With typical efficiency, Germany is on top of their testing situation, and as such have picked up many milder cases. Therefore they have a high number of confirmed cases relative to the true number of infected people in Germany.

This is keeping the mortality rate in Germany down at 0.5 percent, baffling experts who are expecting apocalyptic scenes at the hospitals, the likes of which have so far only materialized in Italy. Perhaps the cases will soon mount up in Germany, and their mortality rate will climb toward the four or five percent that seems to be the European average. But due to the asymptomatic people (a majority according to the best research) even that is an exaggeratedly high rate."
Harvard Study Finds COVID-19 Fatality Rate Far Lower Than World Health Org Suggests
Older patients, defined in the paper, had an estimated 2.7 percent risk of dying from COVID-19. For those who were between the ages of 15 and 64, estimated risk of death was only 0.5 percent. For those ages 15-44, low and high estimates were 0.1 percent and 1.3 percent, respectively; those ages 45-64 had estimates of between 0.2 percent and 1.1 percent.

Ben Swann Drops Bombshell: Seasonal FLU TWICE as Deadly as Coronavirus?
WHO projects a morality rate of 3.4% vs the flu mortality rate of 0.1%. But this is apples and oranges. The problem with this comparison is that WHO uses confirmed cases of Covid-19 as the denominator, whereas the flu mortality rate is calculated using estimated cases. When you calculate the flu virus' morality rate using confirmed cases (same method as coronavirus) the death rate climbs to 10% for the United States. So if you calculate flu mortality the same way you do for coronavirus, you get an extremely high morality rate. But when was the last time we've gone to mass lockdowns and shutdowns over the yearly flu epidemic?

Coronavirus: Iceland’s mass testing finds half of carriers show no symptoms
According to a study in Iceland fully half of carriers of coronavirus are symptomatic, giving credence to the speculation that the actual mortality rate of coronavirus a fraction of what is calculated using confirmed cases only.

Corroboration on the low mortality rate:
America’s Corona Tsar, Andrew Fauci, Concedes Covid-19 May Be Just a Bad Flu With a Fatality Rate of 0.1%
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMe2002387
“If one assumes that the number of asymptomatic or minimally symptomatic cases is several times as high as the number of reported cases, the case fatality rate may be considerably less than 1%. This suggests that the overall clinical consequences of Covid-19 may ultimately be more akin to those of a severe seasonal influenza (which has a case fatality rate of approximately 0.1%) or a pandemic influenza (similar to those in 1957 and 1968) rather than a disease similar to SARS or MERS, which have had case fatality rates of 9 to 10% and 36%, respectively.2“ (This 0.1% matches the flu mortality rate when using estimated cases that include asymptomatic spread).

Oxford Model: Coronavirus May Have Already Infected Half of U.K. Population
Oxford Model: Coronavirus May Have Already Infected Half of U.K. Population
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The Oxford research suggests the pandemic is in a later stage than previously thought and estimates the virus has already infected at least millions of people worldwide. In the United Kingdom, which the study focuses on, half the population would have already been infected. If accurate, that would mean transmission began around mid-January and the vast majority of cases presented mild or no symptoms. If her work is accurate, that would likely mean a large swath of the population has built up resistance to the virus. If the results are confirmed, they imply that fewer than one in a thousand of those infected with Covid-19 become ill enough to need hospital treatment, said Sunetra Gupta, professor of theoretical epidemiology, who led the study. The vast majority develop very mild symptoms or none at all.

Links on some of the causes of Italy's statistics
Italy’s Lockdown Has Been a Recipe for Disaster, Has Made the Crisis Worse
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-...se/have-many-coronavirus-patients-died-italy/
From the latter: “It’s too early to make a comparison across Europe,” he says. “We do not have detailed sero-surveillance of the population and we do not know how many asymptomatic people are spreading it.” Once again it's the issue of the denominator, as well as an inflated numerator due to the medical system not being sufficiently specific about the actual cause of death - if someone who died tests positive for coronavirus their statistics ASSUME they died because of the coronavirus when it could have been an asymptomatic case for all the statisticians know.

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/high-consequence-infectious-diseases-hcid
As of Mar 19 2020 in the UK coronavirus is not considered a high-consequence infectious disease.

An interview with an expert discusses the various issues surrounding statistical monitoring of morality, etc.
https://www.anti-empire.com/renowed...f-statistics-slams-dramatization-of-covid-19/

US doctor and ex-politician on the abuses that may be enacted to control a disease of exaggerated lethality:
http://www.ronpaulinstitute.org/archives/featured-articles/2020/march/16/the-coronavirus-hoax
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Very good! What about publishing this on sott?
 
Adobe said:
Run for the hills Pentagon sends teams into Mountain Bunkers as Pandemic preparations go into full swing.



"If" high ranking military types are going into bunkers. I don’t think that would be because the masses are about to come out of their cubical and riot in the streets. They are very apt at taking care of that and would probably love the challenge. They may be saying that just for the fear factor, and to add more believability to the pandemic story. "If” they are bunkering-in, I would guess something more along the lines of: rogue elements starting a hot war, incoming comet, big earthquakes on their way, or the next mutation is going to be the whammy.
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Maybe... Also, when was the last time this happened? 9/11?
 
Something else worth noting in regards to a really split. Since this started to really kick off in Europe others mentioned also and I feel the same, closer to the forum members and seeing people like myself who hadn't engaged much, are now posting and getting to know each other.

Also, I've made friends, meeting a forum member recently who lives not to far from me. We had a nice chat it was great to finally meet someone on the same page. I'm friends on Facebook with a guy for years who is not an authoritarian follower and didn't buy into this from the start. We started messaging each other for the first time and are gonna meet up when we can organise it. I sent him the link to this thread a few days ago. We have messaged since, I didn't ask if he looked at the thread, he didn't say if he did or not. It seems people of like mind are being drawn to each other. This makes me happy 😀

A good friend of mine for many years who is open minded on certain things, won't listen to reason about this thing, how we interact has changed. Same with my partner and some of her close friends. Anyway just thought id share my observations in this regard, I'm sure others said and are seeing/feeling the same.
 
Kmicic said:
Today me and my wife also feel like something bad is going to happend, altought here in Poland every thing seems to be right (birds, animals and other day after day things) but we feel slighty something bad and our day was sad because of that feeling.
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Sorry for interrupting but today my new neighbour tried to destroy our house with large truck which tried too turn around on our field near house soo I think that was the reason for those strange feelings, false alarm :-)
 
biuta said:
This article from History.com leads to something that might be interesting:

www.history.com

Influenza - Causes, Treatments & Pandemics

The flu, or influenza, is a highly contagious viral infection that mainly affects the respiratory system. It’s usually a seasonal illness, with yearly outbreaks killing hundreds of thousands of people around the world. Though rare, completely new versions of the virus may infect people and...
www.history.com www.history.com
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Forgot to mention that if you look at the URL where history.com lists the flu article, it is under inventions :-D
 
This article gives a possible explanation for the higher number of cases in Lombardy- Italy's lockdown has been a recipe for disaster, although it appears to assume that the virus originated in Wuhan initially.

First, on 31 January, after two Chinese tourists in Italy tested positive for Covid-19, the government became the first Eurozone country to ban all direct flights between Italy and China. As there are high volumes of business between the countries, it was inevitable people would continue to travel anyway, only indirectly. There are more than 300,000 Chinese people working in Italy and some of them were likely to be travelling back to Italy after Chinese New Year on 25 January.

Many of the Chinese people living in Italy are from Wuhan - the original epicentre of the Covid-19 outbreak. They tend to be in Italy to work in the leather and textile industries in the northern Italian regions, especially in Lombardy, the region with most Covid-19 cases. From 23 January, people could no longer leave Wuhan for Italy as the city was locked down. Yet many may have travelled to Italy after Covid-19 emerged in Wuhan in late December.

There are even records of a significant and unusual increase in people hospitalised in Lombardy for flu and pneumonia between October and December last year. We do not know for certain if Covid-19 was spread from Wuhan to Lombardy directly, but this was the Italian region where the virus initially spread most rapidly. The government failed to quarantine and test people who were travelling between Italy and China in this period - nor did it test those who came indirectly from China after its travel ban.

The second significant decision by the Italian government was to lock down the Lombardy region and many parts of the Veneto region. But this move - and the way it was communicated - could have actually accelerated rather than restricted the spread of coronavirus in Italy. The lockdown was officially announced by prime minister Giuseppe Conte during a news conference, shortly after 2am on 8 March. But news of the lockdown had leaked to the press the previous evening. The lockdown was not initially well-enforced and there were widespread reports of people leaving lockdown areas to travel to other parts of Italy. As the lockdown included the closure of schools and universities in these areas, students and many people working in education headed to other parts of the country where their families are based.

The lockdown of these northern areas was extended to the whole country on 9 March. The government ordered all schools to be closed but most workplaces were free to remain open. The result was that vast numbers of children had to be cared for during the day by their grandparents while their parents worked. It was well-known at this time that children rarely show serious symptoms of Covid-19 when they are infected and that people over 70 are the age group most likely to die from the virus. In other words, the government's closure of schools made it more likely that children who could have been infected with Covid-19 were spreading it to the elderly.

The targeted lockdown of places with high numbers of Covid-19 cases like Vo' Euganeo in the Veneto region has proven effective in treating those infected and eventually lowering the number of new infections. But the national lockdown spread the state's resources too thinly when it should have concentrated on those areas with the most infections.
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On a historical level, my first assessment is:
For millenia, humanity lived under a spiritual dictatorship (religions exo-meso-esoteric). The Black gowns....
This was replaced by socio-economic dictatorship, with a split system (capitalism-socialism).
Technological dictatorship ensued. The Grey gowns.
Now we are entering the age of the MEDICAL dictatorship. The White gowns.
Only possible after the previous dictatorships.
In order to have a better reading ahead, have a good look at how the new dictatorships came to be. Now we can understand better why what is happening is being done in such a way.
Today people live for their body. The ones that fear death the most are people that quite literally do not have one: a life, that is! Except for their fear of death. PROGRAMMING. We can fill-in the gaps between these states of dictatorship without using much imagination.
NOW for a very eery twist what if the programming of those in the MEDICAL DICTARSHIP state of mind interfacing with the virus(es) makes them preys to higher density STS/ STO, recipe for change?
Last time I saw a doctor, 2 months ago, the nurse before him, and then doctor spent 15 minutes reading my charts and both said out loud, I HAVE TO FIND YOU SOMETHING? (it was f#cking creepy!)
SERIOUSLY WE CAN SEE THAT THE PROGRAMMING IS MAKING DO AND SAY IRRATIONAL FROM HOSPITAL ADMINISTRATORS AND AUTHORITIES THINGS DAY IN DAY OUT!!!
 
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This is from an older article written by Niall, but it sums up our present situation quite well:

What we see happening all over the world today is the worst case scenario - the parasite destroying its host, complete imbalance where the psychopathic parasite is ravaging the physical, intellectual, emotional and spiritual well-being of the host. It's particularly pronounced in certain Western countries, but no corner of the planet is immune. People are 'losing their minds' in ever-greater numbers, just as the bees are abruptly disappearing. The 'common sense' of ordinary people, of a higher intelligence than that of their ruling classes, has been eroded as they become sicker. Their dis-ease manifests as climatic stress, which feeds back into more human stress until...

Well, until the slate is wiped clean and the parasitic symbiosis between host and parasite is re-established, I guess. As Lobaczewski wrote in Ponerology:
Germs are not aware that they will be burned alive or buried deep in the ground along with the human body whose death they are causing.
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The whole thing is just really tragic. The elites believe they're shepherding the flock toward Great Things. The flock is in fact dying because it's not really a flock; it's a super-organism that can no longer sustain the barrage of psychopathic inroads into its 'collective will'.
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Donjuan said:
I never told that is a global pandemics and i repeatly told that is NOT IN EVERY place. I am telling only the facts and i am not telling that the government actions were right.

I am saying that in some hotspot this virus stroke hard and this created a REAL problem. And it's collapsed the health system in these area due to the high hospitalization and ICU need and this create a bigger problem. The reaction may be exagerated and someone are takimg advantage but there's some truth at the base . Also in Saudi Arabia there were MERS epidemics (with little number fortunately): do you think that they mistake the diagnosis or exagerate the number?

This virus is a serious thing (also the flu is) because is very contagiuos and with a high rate of pneumoniae. And if you get a pneumoniae (whatever the pathogen you have) you have a very serious condition (also if you are young). Fortunately most go mild and recovers (80%) in 2 weeks but the remaining need hospitalization and or ICU treatment. And if the number are high - probably in Italy we have at least 10 time the official cases - in terms of cases you can easily understand that this could be a REAL health problem. Problem worsened by the autorithy which stopped all non emergency visit/treatment.

The diagnosis for moderate/severe to critical cases are very easy to do you cannot mistake. The PCR exam on swabs are not sensible (50% sens) but the CT thorax is the gold standard. Is not hard to make this diagnosis. You can find the details on the chinese guidelines (i cannot attach because too big). And we aren' t all dumb we test also other pathogens and we do the diagnosis in the patient interest. If i misdiagnosis a covid pneumoneae i can kill the patient because the therapy and treatment are different.
Most of people admitted with pneumoniae have comorbidities and are +70years and they goes worse. But we saw also many young people with pneumoniae and a part of that have gone in ICUs or is in hospital. And this number is out of ordinary.
Yes we see many ER access to the hysteria with mild syntoms (but we see every day before this) and the decision of medical authority are very questionable i agree. This is the consequence not a cause.

As soon as possible i can forward other data/proof but i posted some links and you can find all the numbers. I post also out hospital guide lines (20 march in Italian). In next moths there will be also epidemiological studies however.

My sentiment is that for many people and forum members whatever proof or description i give they don't believe anyway. I understand because is better and safer to think (and 1 month ago i feel exactly the same) that all is an exageration and this virus is less than a cold.
I am used to this. The world is full of people than know more than me in medical term and that don't need a medical degree to make or confute diagnosis. No problem for me. If my contribute is not useful and create fear i would stop posting.
But i am only telling the truth of facts. Personally i prefer to hear the truth. If 1 month ago a chinese doctor have had told me what happened in Wuhan area and the clinical characteristic of the virus i would have done some different choices and action and maybe now i would not be in quarantine with coronavirus..
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We know that the virus has been free for 2 years and that it really is a danger to the elderly. And thanks to the Diamond Princess, data from China and tests from Iceland, we know that about half do not have any symptoms at all. Therefore, I think that if this version is true that there are 10 times more infected( Italy’s coronavirus cases could be 10 times higher than reported, official warns ), then this will explain everything. If in Italy there are actually about 1 million patients, the mortality rate is not so high, this may explain why so many seriously ill patients and why did it overload the italian health care system
 
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