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Maybe vaccination with shots is not necessary, as they can just release a virus, and then the vaccination occurs by natural spread with controlled oversight.

And since medicine is advanced and industrialized, they are confident that this method can be controlled, and as well, it is outside scrutiny, and therefore an exploit.

This works in Chinas favor, because they manufacture everything, and in the medical industrys favor, and presumably in favor of health. And its scope is global. So, while this is going on, we are thinking in outmoded methods, while they're carrying out their vaccination programs that are the outbreaks themselves.
 
Hi all,

Let's try to contribute to this nice community-team-working here.
I write here a kind of summary of what I have i mind about this, reflexions, open questions, ideas ... if this can help to find the schmilblick then it's good (link to a well known french humour sketch)

I thought about a new name for this : Coromedia virus. The real thread, virus, is the emotional fear. Could be also named "CoroFear virus"
Unfortunately, even reinformation websites here are not as useful as usual, it's going in various directions.
The subject or assumption that grab the most my attention is the potential link between this virus and 5G. This would be worth a question to the C's.
Would 5G :
- has really no effect at all on the actual known virus propagation ? (i would say no as this was unplanned)
- has a relation with a possible activation of whathever dormant virus that
  • would be part of the actual Covid-19 one ? (no too)
  • would be part of a vaccine that some will try to inject in as many people as possible ? (there I don't know)
  • another dormant virus we all have already in our bodies ? (it's possible - or our ADN)

Note also the following possibility :
- they planned such scenario (of mass infection + mass vaccination) which unexpectly happens now and they changed their plans to try to use this opportunity to jump at the second phase of the plan : vaccination
Note that here this is not anymore directly linked to the 5G, just that it could, it could be the 3rd step of the plan.

Thus the main question about 5G in relation to this could be more general : is there any link between 5G and a bio-weapon ? (this would include under the form of a vaccine, but not only)
And sub-questions would be : is it planned by some ? is it ready to be done ? is it on going already ? or even "is it wishfull thinking from the one who plan this and will have poor probabilities to happen ?"
I'll stop here with 5G potential relation with vaccines or bio-weapon, this could be a separated discussion thread.


Back on the vaccines, there are apparently more than 1 country working on this, and that China would have already it (as it's part of the leak)
Maybe later we'll drow here a table with the following column names :

Vaccine from "Country" / Company Name / Vaccine Name / Danger Level / Summary of community researches

... because I suppose that the motivation behind the researches on a vaccine are differents from one country to another (?)
Which ones will be harmless, doing their job, and which ones not ?
Does the one on which Russia is working will be a good one, that would indeed be good for everyone to get it ?


What also puzzled me is in regards to the test methods to determinate if someone is "infected" or not.
Based on this article posted yesterday on french SOTT :
L'empereur Pasteur est nu ! Ou la diabolisation des germes -- Sott.net

and based on the post of Woodman

Egad.

Testing for specific pathogens is a complicated process.
...

What is the final status about this ?
Did I well understood that in summary the following sentence is correct : there's no sure method to determine if someone is infected (or infectious) ?
And that we could even comment with "and it's far from being accurate at this moment". Is it correct ?


One reflexion, let's try to summarize it :
Since the start of this epidemy, which would be (from the D answer of the C's) a unplanned one, this probably activated some dormant relations or intensified them in the highest (human) circles of power, logically.
They are probably actually in high frequency communication mode, they have to quickly adapt their strategies.
Also, if it's a unplanned event, I suppose that the real sentence is "It's not a planned event at the level of the humans"
From what I remember I read, there are circles of power rulling the world. And at a certain level, it's still composed of human beings, but at the level higher it's anymore human beings (please correct if i'm wrong)
And I was wondering if this was not a "trick" of an higher circle of power, a non-human one, or let's say our "friend" from the 4th STS, who decided to bring a little more chaos into he world, by also "embarrassing" their human "subordinates" of the lower circles ?
And, who knows, it's maybe an SDA action, or combined with STS ? if im not wrong, the C's answered regularly in the past that some events are sometimes provoked or influenced by both, like x% SDA and y% STS, considering the multiple aspects of any such event. This would not be the first time that the better response to a big thread is a small one, who knows ?

Pure error or not, we can find positiv effects, or at least suppose them :
- a certain % of people will have to reconsider their materialistic world, generally speaken (because of the probably incoming economic slowdown or recession)
- now for sure people when they meet in families, at work, within friends, sport ... they have, at least in our countries, a subject to discuss about. It's rare such thing happen, it's an opportunity to more discussions, and oppotunity for people more aware than others to be the lantern in the dark (i remember this was used somewhere), help them to open their mind, more awarness coming generally spoken. This actual virus is actually a gentle "knock on common's people head", dont you think ?
- more practically, for the occidental countries, whith this virus paranoia, sure that all the gentle-but-stupid average people who say "Welcome migrants" will now stop with that because they will certainly not want to see uncontrolled dozen of thousands potentially infected people enterring their country. Even if it's using the "fear" method, does using it for good purpose is bad ? Spreading this information to people would be worth it, at least I'll think about placing this subject in my future public discussions :)
- Also, for the migrants themselves : is it still a good idea to rush toward a continent who is developping an epidemy ? Who can send them this information ? Humour would be of use here, like "Hey you, you want to be infected ? Please come, it's free and included in the european package, with the smartphone". Good idea for a sketch ^^


At least, about colloidal silver (C.S. - do not confound with C's). This would logically be useful, as it's much useful vs a flue.
I searched recently about using a room atomizer with colloidal silver. Do am I wrong or it's a worth idea ?
Not only regarding this actual virus event, more generally spoken. This would sanitize a room + allow people within to breath colloidal silver. Inhaleting it is the more efficient method when illness (i dont speak about skin problems/injuries) - it's in fact a derivation of another old idea I had about C.S., coupling this in with a shower.

Cheers all
 
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The reports about asymptomatic cases have been in the news for a while now, but it's nice to have the figures from the cruise ship. While unfortunate for the people on the ship, it does provide a relatively good 'lab' environment from which to get some insights about how the virus spreads among an isolated group (though after the first cases, passengers were quarantined to their rooms, so it's probable that more would have gotten the virus had the quarantine not gone into effect). The data on asymptomatic cases is especially helpful, given that only 1.2% of the cases recorded in China are asymptomatic, suggesting a lot of untested asymptomatic cases.

In this case, it looks like 52% of cases are asymptomatic. We can extrapolate from that to get some speculative figures. First, that figure is pretty close to some estimates for the number of asymptomatic cases of the flu. This report from 2005 speculates 50%. But this 2015 meta-study suggests it could be as high as 85% asymptomatic flu cases. Since 3-11% of Americans get flu symptoms depending on the year, that means that as many as 73% of Americans could get the flu in a relatively bad flu season - the vast majority just don't know it. But if 85% asymptomatic is a high estimate, and it's actually closer to 50/50 - like covid-19 on the cruise ship - that means as few as 6-22% actually get the flu in any given year.

(Sidebar: I've wondered how that could be possible though. It seems to me that practically everyone gets exposed to the flu every year. I wouldn't be surprised if close to 100% of people get it, but the majority just don't get symptoms. I think that shows just how little we know about viruses.)

Anyways, if covid-19 is 52% asymptomatic, that means there are at least 180,000 cases, and probably more than that to account for the number of mild cases who haven't gotten tested. That also halves the current mortality rate to around 1% (based on the 2% figure being thrown around recently). Could be lower than that, but we can't know for sure by how much - there are probably also deaths that haven't been properly tested and recorded. Based on the Princess Diamond figures we get: 6 deaths so far out of 705 cases = 0.85%. For symptomatic cases, the death rate would be 1.8% (6 / [0.48 x 705]). Some are still sick and haven't recovered yet, though, so that number could rise in the coming weeks.

Next, 19% of the passengers got the virus. (But, again, that number could possibly have been higher if passengers weren't quarantined fairly early.) That's pretty close to one of the low estimates of how many people get the flu every year. So to extrapolate again from that, left to its own devices, it looks like covid-19 would potentially be very similar in spread to the flu, infecting at least a similar number of people, i.e. 20% of the population, around half of whom get symptoms.

Finally, the mortality rate. Currently it's sitting at around 3.4% globally for reported cases, but the case fatality rate is closer to 6% (CFR = deaths / [deaths + recovered]. I couldn't find enough data to figure out the CFR for the Princess Diamond cases. Can anyone find out how many people with symptoms have recovered so far? Until we know that, we can use 1.8% as a lower bound, and 6% as an upper bound - for symptomatic cases. The mortality rate for symptomatic flu is around 0.13% (calculated using total US cases and deaths for the past 10 years or so). So the mortality rate is at least 14 times higher than the flu and as much as 46 times higher (14x higher if the covid-19 death rate is 1.8%, 46x if it's 6%). I think it's probably on the lower end of that range, but we'll see.
 
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and based on the post of Woodman

Egad.

Testing for specific pathogens is a complicated process.

What is the final status about this ?
Did I well understood that in summary the following sentence is correct : there's no sure method to determine if someone is infected (or infectious) ?
And that we could even comment with "and it's far from being accurate at this moment". Is it correct ?

That's not what I meant to suggest.

It's just that unassailable diagnosis techniques take a lot of time, equipment and focused attention. -Which has undoubtedly been provided by the medical authorities; I suspect there is a bonanza of blank checks being handed out right now. But money and pressure can't speed up certain processes beyond basic limits. Growing test samples, for instance, is just one important step in a long chain of delicate procedures, and a pathogen's reproductive cycle isn't going to care about your appointment book.

So faster methods are likely being employed to feed the demand for large numbers of speedy diagnoses, but those can only deliver degraded results wrt certainty.

There's a piece of wisdom taught in engineering which I think may apply here:

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"Time, Quality, Money. - Pick two."
 
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I found and filed this article a couple months ago.
It might be relevant in this thread.
This "test" wasn't mentioned on any Newcasts that I check, just this one article.
I have mentioned before, it seems at times that PTB are bound to tell the truth about a happening or a thing, just once, somewhere.
Or maybe it all is just coincidence...


'This hasn't been done before': UW study offers real-time testing for flu virus
by Matt Markovich | KOMO News
Tuesday, December 24th 2019


SEATTLE -- Only 10-20% of people with flu-like symptoms actually have the influenza virus. But a new study in Seattle will offer real time testing of the flu this year promising results in less than 30 minutes.

The study will take place at Harborview Medical Center and six other locations around Seattle. If you've had two flu-like symptoms: body aches, cough, or fever in the last week, you're eligible to participate in the study.

After signing a consent form, UW grad students will swab your nose and test for flu and other stuff.

"We test them for 27 germs, including flu - as well as a lot of other things including measles mumps and pertussis," said Dr. Helen Chu, lead clinician on the Seattle Flu Study.

Participants will be given an online code where they can see their results in a week, but coming real soon, some locations will have real time testing -- results in 30 minutes or less.

"This hasn't been done before," Chu said.

The Seattle Flu Study, now in its second year, is branching out to sample as many people in Seattle as possible. By combining samples from clinics and hospitals, researchers will be creating 3D maps of the flu's current location down to the neighborhood level.

"What you'll see on the website is whether or not there is flu in a certain neighborhood in a certain age group," Chu said. "That information cannot be linked back to the individual who enrolled in the study."

In another first, they are expanding real-time testing to nine homeless shelters. But because of health privacy laws, no one being tested is obligated to let anyone else know the results.

"They can consent to have their information about their flu result given to the shelter staff," Chu said. "So we would never give it without their permission."

Seattle could become the model city for flu testing -- only if people are willing to give a little snot.

If you want to see where you can participate in the study, just go to SeattleFlu.org Your test is confidential only to the researchers involved with the study and you.'
 
wow, vaccine dictatorship!

Some details about 5G/Vaccine connection from the video I posted earlier in this thread:




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So what are the effects of this tech on the hemoglobin and its oxygen-transport capabilities?


and in this study they state:



Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't vaccines full of non-activated virus DNA/RNA?

And then there is this:



😞 "has now be allocated for free" Reminds of what you say all the time Laura. There is no free lunch.

This might be old news to you all but its all new to me.
FWIW.
So, In your understanding is 5G good or bad? I have looked at the information but struggle to understand whether it is a good thing or a bad thing. Obviously it can be dangerous for you under certain circumstances. Are there any positive attributes other than faster wifi? In your opinion is 5G generally good for us or bad for us, the general public?

My thoughts are leaning towards the dangerous end of the balance beam.fwiw
 
So crazy rumor is circulating in Iran that Ali Khamenei has fled the country to Russia in self imposed quarantine. No one knows if he is there to receive treatment, or he is just taking precautions.

Again its rumor that I'm hearing from several different family members in Iran, so take it with a huge grain of salt.
 
So, In your understanding is 5G good or bad? I have looked at the information but struggle to understand whether it is a good thing or a bad thing. Obviously it can be dangerous for you under certain circumstances. Are there any positive attributes other than faster wifi? In your opinion is 5G generally good for us or bad for us, the general public?

My thoughts are leaning towards the dangerous end of the balance beam.fwiw

From my view its looking more and more like 5G is a dual purpose tech. If all this 5G business is really just about faster speeds, there are better and more efficient ways of doing it. I can't put my finger on it but it just doesn't add up.

The more light you shine on this topic the more alarming it all becomes.:shock:
 
I've been thinking about 5G today also after reading these 2 articles on Sott.


What stood out in particular where the health affects being experienced by some people in Austria but it doesn't give any indication how many people are experiencing this.

Friends and acquaintances and their children in Vienna are already reporting the classic symptoms of EMR poisoning:[9] nosebleeds, headaches, eye pains, chest pains, nausea, fatigue, vomiting, tinnitus, dizziness, flu-like symptoms, and cardiac pain. They also report a tight band around the head; pressure on the top of the head; short, stabbing pains around the body; and buzzing internal organs. Other biological effects such as tumours and dementia usually take longer to manifest, but in the case of 5G, which has never been tested for health or safety, who knows?[10]

Seemingly overnight a forest of 5G infrastructure has sprouted in Austria. In the space of three weeks one friend has gone from robust health to fleeing this country, where she has lived for 30 years. Each person experiences EMR differently. For her, it was extreme torture so she and I spent her last two nights in Austria sleeping in the woods. Interestingly, as she drove across southern Germany, she suffered torture even worse than in Austria, while in northern Germany she had no symptoms at all and felt completely normal, which suggests that there has been as yet no 5G rollout there.

The other article:

Coincidentally(?) the 3 largest outbreaks of coronavirus at present are China, South Korea and Italy all of which have had major roll outs of 5G. China 11/2019, South Korea (85 cities 4/2019) Italy (Rome, Turin, Naples 6/2019). It stands to reason, people are being affected by the massive exposure and getting sick. Speculating that China could use the outbreak of the virus as a cover story to hide the fact, their Crown Jewel of technology, 5G, is making people very sick. Not something they'd want anyone to know about as well as others who have investments in this technology. Then, the very bad timing of a bio- engineered virus escaping from a lab(?) and dropping people to the ground. Perhaps the 2 go hand in hand.

Those are my thoughts and speculation for the day on 5G.

Andrian is in Italy, maybe he/she? can tell us if people are noticing any affects from 5G.
 
Yes, the 5G rollout is yet another "advancement" that hasn't been properly vetted for safety. Amazingly, Switzerland is addressing this:
Switzerland Halts 5G Rollout Due to Health Concerns, Widespread Public Opposition
Chris Menahan
InformationLiberation
Feb. 13, 2020

"Switzerland, one of the world's leaders in the rollout of 5G mobile technology, has placed an indefinite moratorium on the use of its new network because of health concerns," The Financial Times reports.
Switzerland is relatively advanced in Europe in adopting 5G. The wealthy alpine country has built more than 2,000 antennas to upgrade its network in the last year alone, and its telecoms providers have been promising their customers’ imminent 5G coverage for most of the past year.

However, a letter sent by the Swiss environment agency, Bafu, to the country's cantonal governments at the end of January, has now in effect called time on the use of all new 5G towers, officials who have seen the letter told the Financial Times.

[...] The Swiss Medical Association has advised caution on 5G, arguing that the most stringent legal principles should be applied because of unanswered questions about the technology’s potential to cause damage to the nervous system, or even cancers.
There have been zero major studies on the health effects of 5G.

On the other hand, there are tons of studies showing WiFi in its current form can have a multitude of negative effects on our health, they're generally just ignored by our governments and media (the UK recently went as far as banning an advertisement warning about the dangers of 5G).

Here's another study from just a few months ago.

From BioNews, 7 May 2019, "WiFi devices affect sperm, suggests study":
A small study by researchers in Japan has indicated that exposure to WiFi may have detrimental effects on sperm function.

The study assessed the effect of electromagnetic (EM) waves from WiFi devices on human sperm. It found that longer periods of direct exposure to a portable WiFi router decreased the motility rate and increased the death rate of sperm from human samples.

[...] The sperm samples analysed were taken from 51 men seeking fertility treatment, such as IVF or artificial insemination, at the clinic.

Samples were tested under different conditions; no exposure to EM, shield-protected, and full exposure.

The exposed samples were placed near a pocket WiFi router – similar to the way a mobile phone might be carried in a man's trouser pocket. After two hours, sperm from all groups had decreased health and motility, but the most substantial effect was seen in the sperm with full exposure to EM waves. The difference in sperm health between groups was seen even more clearly after 24 hours of exposure.

'Judging by the results of the current study, it is fair to assume that the longer the exposure is, there is a higher risk for potential negative effects,' Nakata told newsGP. 'And what I mean by longer exposure is not only a few days, weeks or months – we are talking about years. So looking at billions of people over the next few decades, the impact could be huge when it comes to fertility rates.
5G towers are exponentially stronger than current WiFi devices and they want them to be in everyone's neighborhoods within just a few dozen yards of people's homes for maximum efficiency.

Kudos to the people of Switzerland for rising up against this lunacy, more folks need to follow suit.

5G: Next Gen Health Dangers (Documentary) Brighteon video:



 
In 2019, China introduced mandatory vaccines for adults - something which the US (and the rest of the world) are probably going to attempt to do in 2020. It also explains why the CDC and the WHO have been so 'soft' in their criticism of China and so reluctant to declare a pandemic. Any public health failure due to a vaccine program is diametrically apposed to their agenda of forcing vaccine programs on everyone.

Yep, you’re spot on there. I received this urgent action email from avn.org (Australian Vaccination-risks Network):

Action Alert!
In the last week there has been vaccination legislation introduced into Victorian and South Australian state parliaments.
Time is of the essence to defeat these bills. Please take action now!​
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Victorian Legislation​

The Victorian legislation seeks to make vaccination compulsory for health professionals and others who are employed in public health facilities.

Read the press release here

The statement of compatibility by Minister Foley can be read here

The Bill and explanatory memo can be read here

This Bill makes amendments to the Health Services Act 1988 and the Ambulance Services Act 1986, which will allow the Secretary of the Department of Health and Human Services to direct employers of healthcare workers across a range of healthcare settings in Victoria to require employees who are healthcare workers to be vaccinated against specified vaccine-preventable diseases.

These settings include public hospitals , denominational hospitals , private hospitals and ambulance services .

The Secretary’s direction will specify the settings and class of healthcare workers to be vaccinated and also specify the vaccinations that are to be required.​

The AVN is working with a group of concerned health professionals who are determined to fight this legislation.

Please contact this group at healthfreedomvictoria@protonmail.com

Health Freedom Victoria​

Below is a message from those on the frontline of this battle.

Thank you for making contact with Health Freedom Victoria! We need all the help we can muster to fight this draconian overreach of the Andrews’ Government in the form of the proposed legislation ‘Health Services Amendment (Mandatory Vaccination of Healthcare Workers) Bill 2020’.

As this Bill will likely be rushed through, we do not have much of an interval to register our concerns to the government, so time is of the essence. Health Freedom Victoria is asking health professionals (and everyone else) to write to ALL members of Victorian Parliament, both in the Legislative Assembly (Lower House) and in the Legislative Council (Upper House).

Your email can be as detailed or as brief as you choose, but you must state you vehemently oppose the bill and why, and that you wish the politician in question to vote against it. If you are a medical professional, tell them! Only a small number of politicians hold degrees in medicine or health; you are well qualified to state your reasoning behind your concerns regarding this bill.

S.A. - No Jab No Play​

There is a group already fighting the SA legislation. This is the action plan that the SA group would like everyone to follow.​

ACTION STEPS TO TAKE TODAY:
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Just in case you have not yet seen this, neonix and others have been posting very interesting and mindblowing information about EMF and 5G in the thread EMF Exposure. Especially the presentations by Dr Martin Pall provide one with a better understanding what effects EMF have on a human body.
 
Some more facts from my friends @ the virology...

- Incubation Time up to 25 days
- Active Virus in urine and faeces
- Dogs tested positive
- Virus is UV sensible
- Reinfection is possible
- Virus mutates in infection process, making any vaccine senseless
and the best is
- Accuracy of the corona test is 30-50 %
that means at least 50% of the testings are wrong results
If more comes i will post it
 
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