Coronavirus Pandemic: Apocalypse Now! Or exaggerated scare story?

[Mandatory Intellectomy]

Are men more likely to perceive the truth because they are more likely to stand up for it (i.e. for the reasons you've explained above)?

No, that doesn't logically follow, imo. Standing up for the truth has little to do with perceiving it (other than that the latter is obviously a prerequisite for the former). Standing up against tyranny is a (masculine) personality trait, while perceiving the truth is a cognitive function.

I know a lot of highly intelligent people who are very much incapable of seeing the truth; the problem is not their intellect, but their character. In particular, they are conflict averse, highly agreeable, and desperately frightened of being unpersoned by the mob. They can't see the truth because it is simply too frightening for them, thus they take refuge in implicatory denial.

I think this has more to do with subsequent denial than the inherent ability to perceive the truth.

There are fairly logical genetic and historical reasons for why men are more likely to fight than women, whatever the cause.

Men would be much more likely to punch Hitler in the face, but that's not because women fail to recognise that Hitler was a douchebag.

One obvious reason for women fighting less is the difference in physical strength. You don't pick fights you can't win. This may be less relevant with social issues today, but the physical 'weakness' teaches women early on to adopt the submissive attitude, and this then transfers into other issues. But there are also historical reasons.

Historically, women have had the problem of living in a male-dominated society where the standard for the longest time was that nobody gave a shit about what women think. Women didn't fight because the men in power didn't care about their opinion, and the women didn't have the physical strength to just beat the crap out of the guy and 'win' that way (which men did fairly often). So they learned to stay quiet most of the time. The society was such that women had little chance to achieve anything by resistance and they knew it. There have been exceptions, but such women usually had to go through hell to be taken seriously in the end.

As a young woman, when I asserted myself on a cause I knew to be right, I was told by a man I worked for, "Don't be naive".

And here we see that things haven't changed all that much. Men still brush off women with cynical remarks. The interesting irony here, though, is that it seems this man was the coward who accepted that he can't fight while the woman at least wanted to.


I think this forum is proof that women perceive the truth just as much as men. You have men here whose wives don't see the truth, and you have women here whose husbands don't see the truth, and as far as I can tell, the ratio is about 50/50, as well as the general ratio of men/women here.

Standing up against tyrants requires more than just understanding the situation. Men are genetically designed to fight, while women are designed to keep the children safe and not get into fights that might leave the children without mother.

In our current world, there isn't all that much reason why women couldn't stand up for the truth just as much as men, but they are still being brought up differently in that respect, taught to be meek and obedient. Men are increasingly being brought up like that as well, and that is exactly the problem psychegram is pointing out, I think. When that's done, there will be nobody left to tell the oppressors to f**k off. You'll all just get your vaccines because you don't do anything about it, and that will be it.

To further elucidate the difference bewtween men and women, here's an example where standing up against oppression will work for men and not for women:
If a guy tells me to put my mask on and I tell him to piss off, he may step back and think twice about enforcing his request, because a fight is possible and who knows what kind of a psycho I am.
But if a guy tells a woman to put her mask on and she tells him to piss off, he will feel no threat. He will be insulted and actually more likely to give her hell to heal his offended ego. (But the woman is just as aware as I am.)
This is why in many situations the resistance must be the men's task, because it simply won't work with women. But they are definitely just as capable of perceiving the truth, and just as capable of standing up for it. Unfortunately for them, there are other things than 'capability' to consider.

Anyway, this is veering a bit off topic, I think.

@SOTTREADER
You've been fearmongering with mandatory vaccines and basically spreading doom and gloom daily for months, "It's coming... nobody can stop it... it's happening whether you like it or not..." So what do you actually propose people do about it? You seem to think resistance is futile, so what's your recommendation?

 

[Revolucionar]

Hi everyone,

I've taken a long break from this thread and the whole corona craziness, but I have been keeping up with the discussion here more or less (more "less", than more:)

As has been mentioned, Croatia has instituted mandatory masks in shops etc.

I personally have not had to wear it yet even though I've been in many establishments since.
The first instance was a petrol station. I went in to pay for the petrol only to be told that I need a mask. I said that I can't wear a mask because I have asthma (this is semi sort of true, because I did have allergenic asthmatic bronchitis throughout my childhood up until I started smoking) so I can say it without feeling like I'm lying. The guy said, okay, but only because it's the first day of the new measure being introduced.
After that I went into two more petrol stations on the same day (we were travelling across the country) and I just went in, sans mask, and did my bidding. No one said a word. I didn't even notice people giving me strange looks even though everyone else had a mask on like a good citizen.

Day later I went into a bank where I had some business to attend to and again, no issues. No one said a word. The bank teller was a young woman with a mask on, of course, but she kept fiddling with it and took it off completely several times only to put it back again after awhile. I could sense that she wanted to say something about it, but she didn't. I might be a bit intimidating because of the way I look, but also because I wear my unmasked face with full confidence.

A day later I went to a supermarket with my wife, her parents and my baby son. I was pushing my son in the cart to enter the store when an employee (whose job seemed to be exclusively to make sure everyone complies with the new rules) almost ran towards me from 10 m away and made a gesture to indicate my needing to put on a mask, thinking I didn't speak Croatian. I calmly approached closer and told him I couldn't wear a mask because I had asthma. He said, you have what? I have asthma, I replied. Oh, Okay then, and he waved me in.

After all that I went into at least three other grocery stores and several petrol stations and no one said a word. Nothing.

During all this, I have only seen a couple of people not wearing masks (not including small children) and that was in petrol stations with no customers at the time.

So guys, it seems that it's pretty easy to not wear a mask here in Croatia. Just go about your business like you're doing nothing wrong and if anyone says something about it, calmly explain that you have asthma and can't wear the muzzle.
If you have asthma, you are exempt from wearing it. The department of public health website says so.

I do have a mask that says COVID-1984 Muzzle, so if it really comes to that, I'll wear it with glee.

On the other hand, at least 60% of the people I know down in Dalmatia where I'm from don't buy this crap at all. I was surprised by many of them holding this contrarian opinion, while there were many that I expected to be aware of the truth, at least to a degree, that are buying the narrative. It's weird. Reality is truly splitting down the middle.

Other than this, what else is there to say? Things have gotten really crazy, the measures make no sense at all. People are free to do almost anything they want, but they have to wear a muzzle in stores and banks and such. But not in bars. Or on the beach. Or anywhere else.

I just pity the waiters having to wear these health destroying, dignity annihilating contraptions on their face all day long.

 

[Ruth]

The big eugenics experiment commences in Africa. This nastiness needs to be eliminated.

 

[bjorb]

Peer pressure, the number one killer in free thinking.

Study Finds Most People Just Wearing Masks To Avoid Sea Of Judgmental Glares

U.S.—A new study found that the primary reason people are wearing masks in public now is not to stop COVID-19 but rather to avoid the sea of judgmental stares.

babylonbee.com

 

[JEEP]

If a guy tells me to put my mask on and I tell him to piss off, he may step back and think twice about enforcing his request, because a fight is possible and who knows what kind of a psycho I am.
But if a guy tells a woman to put her mask on and she tells him to piss off, he will feel no threat. He will be insulted and actually more likely to give her hell to heal his offended ego. (But the woman is just as aware as I am.)

Well, this brings to mind the video of the older guy who tried to enter Walmart:

This particular vid goes on with CDC guy identifying 3 trends in Florida and four other states: big increase in case numbers, big increase in positivity rate of tests, and large numbers to begin with and so heading for big outbreaks to continue for at least a couple of weeks until they do something differently. There's only an implied threat in that more cases and more test positives will result in more deaths. Actual deaths, no - fraudulent statistical manipulation of death numbers, yes. Pure propaganda fear porn and consequently, the man refusing to wear a mask is a public health threat. Maskless people are the new Typhoid Marys.

This older guy was outmatched by Walmart enforcers due to size, age, and numbers. The only way this could work, I think, is with a group of men and possibly for women, too. A loud, protesting group could possibly breach the entrance. However, would cops be called to come and arrest not only for mask violation, but disturbing the peace? A single person, be it guy or gal, doesn't stand much of a chance, if any.

And just as I can't be forced to wear a mask, doctors can't be forced to give me a medical examination if they either don't want to violate a public health order and risk fines, incur the wrath of staff/patients by allowing an unmasked person, or if they personally feel the COVID risk is real. To me, the only possible solution is through legal means since too much of the populace is falling for this scam. This approach also necessitates a group, I think, and the ability to shoulder the expense.

I made another eye appointment in Knox Co. that's Level 1, but even that office stills requires a mask - after all, CDC/AAO says to. This grand lie has been totally sold and accepted across the board. I'm working on making a mesh mask that, to my mind, will be an obvious statement of mask absurdity, my way of ridiculing the official decree, and signaling that the joke is on them. For now, I'm fashioning a temporary mask from some green netting from a child's butterfly net. Using liquid stitch to manipulate it into a facsimile of a mask. It's more than rough! Just makes it funnier. It should be noted, though, that masks have become the hottest fashion trend - motif design really reflects a person's coolness or their popular fan favorites. I found this out when I explored skull and crossbones masks - that design is selling like hotcakes apparently!

I imagine buyers of these aren't trying to make a political statement indicating poison. Seeing how these masks are made, they're too thick and some come with a bendable nose piece for a tighter fit. I just want thin fabric to insert a mesh panel in the middle like Gandalf showed.

 

[Tauriel]

The mad measures (mm) and life:

Today I talked on the phone with my friend who lives in California. Her husband died about 4 years ago and she raises her 2 kids all by herself.
Now her brother who lives and works in Turkey is dying of cancer. He's already in a hospital and it's not looking bright for his body.
She asked me whether to get on a flight.... I let her talk and straight away she said, "My intuition tells me not to..." ...
So she already had her answer, just had to express it.
She told me that there are indeed flights from the US to Turkey now. But once there you'll have to check into quarantine in a tiny room for 14 days, then on returning the same procedure would apply.
Who in the world would be able to spend one month in quarantine when you just want to say goodbye to your beloved brother who probably only has a very short window of time until he leaves this plane?
Her son wanted to be strong and told her she could go if she must. Her daughter who is 13 is panicking that her mother could leave. She's already lost her father and during this 'rona-crisis' she had 2 people in her direct surrounding dying- allegedly from virus. She even started developing some flu like symptoms today.
And with all the madness that only increases with each day who could dare to do such a human thing like travelling the world for a last goodbye and helping with the necessary procedures after death?
This is all TORTURE.
The only thing I could do was listening and proposing that she'd work on establishing an energetic contact with her brother.

Rant end- I've found some unstable balance lately but this just got me today. Thanks for listening.

 

[Ruth]

The the response to this virus is being described as the 'greatest crime in history'. I have to agree.

 

[bjorb]

Skynews host Alan Jones is rattling the cage.

He confronted the people on TV with the uncomfortable truth about the corona pandemic. Leaders should tell us that 99 percent of cases are mild and 99.6 percent recover, the Australian presenter said.

The nation’s political leaders are stealing Australians’ freedoms from under their noses “on the false premise they are looking after us”.

 

[SOTTREADER]

@SOTTREADER
You've been fearmongering with mandatory vaccines and basically spreading doom and gloom daily for months, "It's coming... nobody can stop it... it's happening whether you like it or not..." So what do you actually propose people do about it? You seem to think resistance is futile, so what's your recommendation?

I think that mandatory (or near Mandatory) Vaccines are inevitable, especially in countries with the right infrastructure in place (e.g. UK, Germany, US etc) as this is what the PTB have been working on for so long and this current situation provides them with the perfect excuse to bring all these in.

In that sense, I believe it's inevitable as I don't think the PTB are capable of seeing reason plus they have real objectives they need to accomplish - to ultimately control our minds directly through our bodies.

I think beyond spreading awareness of the situation, we need to also be able to objectively observe and perceive the magnitude of the situation. It might be wishful thinking but I think being able to perceive something objectively, not only in terms of what it is but its magnitude and depth could have an effect on the outcome - so I don't play down the seriousness of people being injected with vaccines that will alter genes with unknown consequences.

To be honest, the other things we can do is stuff you can't advise anyone else to do as it has to come from them. If someone can perceive something, then it's up to them to make the choice of what to do. You just have to make sure that they can first perceive it and that's it, you've done your job.

In the above regard, I can only speak for myself. With that in mind

• I'm prepared not to travel to any country requiring proof of vaccination.
• I'm prepared to completely get all my things online if I need a vaccine certificate to enter public spaces.
• I'm prepared to inform my work of my objections of being vaccinated and asking to be a permanent home worker, not on the grounds of being an anti vaxxer but on the following grounds a) I don't believe side effects have been sufficiently mapped out during the fast track development of the vaccine b) I do not consent to a gene editing vaccine regardless of how safe the scientists say it is. I believe only God / nature has the right / power to alter my genes or instruct them on what to do.

If they say no to the above, I will look at the legality of it all, otherwise I'll just have to get alternative employment.

• When the time comes, I'm prepared to find and support those with the "soul choice" of fighting this battle... Those who have the predisposition to take center stage at great personal cost to stand up for something.

I think at most, between 1 to 2 years, the devastating effects of these vaccines will be known and the draconian measures will be unwound. So it'll be a matter of holding strong for up to 2 years whilst the effects and costs work there way through the system. At first I imagine they'll be lots of media blackouts etc blocking the reality from public perception but I think the effects will reach a critical mass so as to be self evident. At that point the inquisitions will begin but it'll be to late for those who followed blindly.

Worst case scenario, assuming the question comes to, get the vaccine or die, I think I'll make peace with my creator and end up dining in heaven that evening.

At the end of the day, I don't think in a democracy anyone can force anyone else to inject something into their body. Once that line is crossed, then society has lost its veneer of civility and life has descended back to basic survival, where we have to fight for the basic and fundamental rights from scratch. Bill Gates may have money and power to be a manmade God who can order you get arrested but he has no power over one's soul and that's one place his vaccines can never reach or alter - the cow!

In any case, I'm psychologically getting myself ready for the worst and for the potential cost of resistance - social, economic, physical etc.

They'll be no strategic enclosure in terms of play along, get the vaccine etc etc.

 

[Esprit]

When the time comes, I'm prepared to find and support those with the "soul choice" of fighting this battle... Those who have the predisposition to take center stage at great personal cost to stand up for something.

The association with these possible 'movements' has some draw backs IMO. There is a good chance it will get ponerized down the road also infiltrated by nefarious agents and also putting you in daylight to be on the black list.
Now, I admire the courage and determination of such a 'group ' but I'm not convinced it is the right way to go. There is also a free will and karmic lessons of the parties involved to take into consideration.

Like Laura stated, some of them will go down as 'martyrs' triggering a shock amongst the population, and it is their path to follow. I think we can guess the karmic lesson involved here. Along the lines of trying to change the others, the others trying to change you.

They'll be no strategic enclosure in terms of play along, get the vaccine etc etc.

I would not despair so quickly, when pushed in a corner I suspect some people will come up with some clever tricks, I'm thinking hacking some fake chips or something. Also undergound market and services might start a new life on their own.

Maybe it's just wishfull thinking and I'm alone in that bubble but I think people will get crafty to avoid the tyrants, aren't we lucky to have those as proposed by Don Juan ?

Great post by the way !

 

[Matthew]

A minor update on the mandatory wearing of a face-covering in all shops that is due to commence in the UK this Friday. I spoke to a staff member in my local supermarket about it and asked what the situation was for people like me who have health issues such that this was not a good idea. He said that each customer would be asked to wear a face-covering when they enter the store but if I explain the situation then I should have no difficulties in not doing so. We'll see.

 

[JEEP]

Today I talked on the phone with my friend who lives in California. Her husband died about 4 years ago and she raises her 2 kids all by herself.
Now her brother who lives and works in Turkey is dying of cancer.

Oh Tauriel! What terrible news! I'm so sorry such an awful development has befallen your friend and much complicated by this crazy time with its crazy rules! I agree that these fraudulent rules equate to torture! Prayers and love to all affected.

 

[JEEP]

Local update - just heard that the Ohio Speaker of the House, Larry Householder, has been arrested along with four colleagues by federal officials as part of a bribery investigation involving the state’s $1 billion nuclear plant bailout and Householder’s maneuverings to secure support to lead the legislative chamber. The nuclear plant deal put all of the state's taxpayers on the hook to financially salvage the failing nuclear plants and even a coal-burning plant in another state! The public was overwhelmingly against it, but it passed anyway - what a surprise. DeWine couldn't sign it into law fast enough.

On another note, took my green netting makeshift mask out for a trial run. The ties are just thin leftover strips that I glued and stapled on. To wear it, I drape the ties over my ears then tie into a small bow under my chin. I don't get as much air as I would without it, but still plenty. Downside is a slight funky netting smell that's nonetheless tolerable. I went to a restaurant for dinner that had the mask order posted on the door so I went back to the car to get it. I just held it up to my face till I was seated, then never put it on at all. Sadly, a grandmother had her two young grandsons put on masks when they got up to go. I started to say that children under 10, which they clearly were, aren't required to wear masks. But I thought she might believe the CV is a real threat to them and wanted to keep them safe. Also, I noticed an adjacent restaurant, the International House of Pancakes, appeared to be closed - no cars in the parking lot and badly overgrown grassy areas.

My next stop was the grocery store that had a prominent floor sign indicating Masks Required for Entry. As I approached, a couple was coming out, but only the man was wearing a mask. Inside, I spotted a woman with a bandana that was just around her neck. I had already pulled mine below my nose, then decided to pull below my mouth and kept it there till I left the store. I no doubt looked like a goof! Sorry to say, the experience did create a feeling of tension as I was self-conscious about the whole thing. There weren't that many shoppers at that time of day, but the woman was the only one I saw maskless. What really shocked me though, was missing items from shelves, even large sections of shelves with empty spaces! So not a good sign! I did buy another big pack of TP which still has a limit of 2. I also bought a mesh wash bag that had one large and one small bag. The mesh looks to be somewhat larger than the one I already have, but that will just allow that much more air to come through if I even bother making another faux one.

I had less than 20 items so went to self-checkout. These are now designated for cards only. You have to go elsewhere to pay cash. The clerk explained this as I thought the machine was malfunctioning at first. She didn't say a word about my exposed face. Since the official store sign says masks required for entry, to my mind, once inside you've met the requirement!

 

[JEEP]

Latest CV figures in Ohio - I'm wondering exactly what criteria is being used to determine if someone is an official CV death.

Ohio reported 1,047 new coronavirus cases in the state Tuesday, the 14th day in a row that new confirmed and probable daily cases have totaled more than 1,000.

The number of new cases, though, is the lowest figure reported in two weeks, and is below this month’s daily average of 1,211 new cases.

There were also 30 more virus deaths reported since Monday, according to Ohio Department of Health data. That’s nearly double the running daily average so far this month of 17.

Ohio also reported 126 new coronavirus hospitalizations Tuesday, outpacing the recent daily average of 90 hospitalizations.

ICU admissions grew by 23, slightly above the recent daily average of 18.

The new numbers bring Ohio’s total of new and confirmed coronavirus cases to 77,215, with a total of 3,219 coronavirus deaths since the pandemic began. State data indicates 53,077 people are presumed to have recovered from the virus.

Amid increased testing, the percentage of positive virus tests has increased from a recent low of 3.8% during the week of June 7 to a current seven-day average of 6.2%. The positivity rate reported Tuesday was down slightly, with 5.9% positive among 17,542 tests.

Sooo - 77,215 confirmed CV cases less 3,219 CV deaths less 53,077 presumed recovered leaves 20,919 still ill? Where are these people - in hospital? Home quarantined? Extended care homes? Shopping at Walmart?

Speaking of Walmart:

Walmart Inc. said that it will be closing its namesake stores and Sam’s Clubs on Thanksgiving Day this year, saying that it wants to have its employees spend time with their families during the coronavirus.

How magnanimous! Perfectly alright to spoil all those past Thanksgivings for employees and their families. Of course, if merchandise stops shipping from China, what's Walmart going to have available for sale? We don't make stuff in America anymore!

p.s. It just occurred to me that the new cases could be the result of all the mandatory mask wearing! False positive testing confirms!

 

[angelburst29]

Today I talked on the phone with my friend who lives in California. Her husband died about 4 years ago and she raises her 2 kids all by herself.

Now her brother who lives and works in Turkey is dying of cancer. He's already in a hospital and it's not looking bright for his body.

She told me that there are indeed flights from the US to Turkey now. But once there you'll have to check into quarantine in a tiny room for 14 days, then on returning the same procedure would apply.

My suggestion - that she contact an American Consulate in California to see if they could help her with arrangements to see her Brother with reduced restrictions? There may be exceptions due to a proven family emergency?

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I have been scanning news reports to see if there are any solid indicators, as to when restrictions will be lifted, especially in the U.S. with Borders and schools open and people getting back to work and their daily lives? Not much to go on? It seems that the majority of Countries are more focused on stimulus packages and keeping their own Governments afloat. Everything else is secondary. In the meantime, people are living one day at a time. not knowing what lies ahead?

In this report of a recent G-20 video conference meeting, "there was strong support for extending the standstill beyond the end of 2020"? I think, we are looking at the year 2020 as "Year Zero" when the World - as we know it - came to a halt and stopped spinning?

G-20 finance officials stop short of recommending debt freeze extension for poorest nations

Finance officials from the Group of 20 (G-20) countries on Saturday (July 18) called for all official bilateral creditors to implement fully a short-term debt freeze for the world's poorest countries, but stopped short of extending the initiative into next year.

Sources briefed on the G-20 meeting said there was strong support for extending the standstill beyond the end of 2020, given the severity of the economic fallout from the coronavirus pandemic, but the group's final communique said only that the issue would be considered in the second half of 2020.

It also said nothing about growing calls for cancelling - not just deferring - the debts of some of the poorest countries.

The Debt Service Suspension Initiative, agreed by G-20 ministers in April, has proven challenging to implement, with only 42 of 73 eligible countries expressing interest thus far, saving just US$5.3 billion (S$7.3 billion) in service payments instead of the US$12 billion initially promised.

World Bank officials have singled out China, a G-20 member and the largest creditor for developing nations, for holding back debts owed to its state-owned development and state-owned companies.

World Bank President David Malpass also told G-20 officials on Saturday that they needed to "open the door" to talks on reducing the overall debt overhang for the poorest countries.

Failure of the private sector to participate has also been a growing concern. The Institute for International Finance last week said its members had not received any formal requests for debt relief from countries eligible for the DSSI.

The communique did not mention China, but G-20 officials said they would closely monitor implementation of the debt freeze and noted efforts to set up a fiscal monitoring framework to strengthen the quality of debt data and improve debt disclosure.

"All official bilateral creditors should implement this initiative fully and in a transparent manner," they said.

They also said they "strongly encourage" commercial lenders to provide relief when requested.

Decisions on extending the freeze would come after the International Monetary Fund and World Bank complete a report on the liquidity needs of countries before the next G-20 finance officials' meeting in October, the communique said.

The British-based Jubilee Debt Campaign said the G-20's failure to take swifter and more decisive action would cost poor countries billions of dollars each month.

"We needed rapid and concerted action, but instead the G-20 have backtracked," said Sarah-Jayne Clifton, director of Jubilee Debt Campaign, one of many groups that have called for extending the debt freeze and expanding it.

More than 200 religious, labour, human rights, environmental and development groups signed a separate letter spearheaded by Jubilee USA Network that was sent this week to G-20 leaders, the White House and the IMF.