I find both of views hold some valid points and it's great to discuss them here, maybe in a less confrontational/patronizing way and in a more open way toward understanding where the other person is coming from. We are all tired from this craziness around us and from guessing what the future holds for us and our loved ones.
Hopefully insights for us! I'm not sure if everyone is going to make it through, though. Not unless we can stay objective and start doing useful and resistive things. This of course will be different for each person.
 
As you know, previously I also had some strong reactions to your posts and it was because my brain was already overflown with aggressive media instructions/people reactions and I'm so used to coming to this forum for some sanity among all the madness. When I read many of your long posts so obviously driven by your current emotional state and 'thinking out loud' - I felt like I'm losing my only true social safe net, my shelter. I believe many people here feel the same way about this forum. It's good to remind ourselves of that fact before posting, especially now when things have gone berserk in the world around us. It can happen to any of us, happened to me many times before, so a constant personal reminder of external consideration, both here and in our private affairs seems like a good way to go these days. :cool:
This seems a pretty interesting thing to say. Perhaps you need to re-read it? Maybe we all do? Does this forum really function as your only true social safety net and shelter? Is that what it's for, and is the reality 'out there' so terrible? Is this some sort of way of avoiding it?
 
I'm trying the best I can to live and maintain a normal life - work, socialising, cultural events even travel here and there... Trying to live as if this thing isn't real but to be honest, at every turn there's a reminder: masks, forms to fill, things to scan in your phone, posters, billboards etc.

I don't know how others can be so calm. I'm yet to figure this out but as I say, my nervous system seems to be in a state of shock. I can feel this state having a low level hold of me.
You're lucky! I'm actually in isolation, plus I have the 'dreaded lurgy' which meant I had to spent at least 1/2 hr on the phone with DHSS doing 'contact tracing' for a 'souped up' genetically modified common cold. And.... I've run out of chocolate and Baileys! :shock: No, seriously this is not a tragedy - it'll probably be good for me in the end! :-)

I don't think people are that calm. If there's any calm it's the calm before the storm. And oh boy what a storm it's going to be!

I just have this urge to laugh at all this stupid nonsense that going on at the moment. Hopefully that's not a side effect of the 'dreaded lurgy'? And, I'm also hoping that I'll get my taste buds back at some stage... :-(
 
This was linked from Sott article, Masks are a psychological preparation for mandatory vaccinations

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There were links to these articles as well:

Lots of other good links in the Sott Comment part, too. I also liked the reference to GAG Rule > in every sense of the word.
 
One of the many, many avoidable deaths.....

"A Melbourne mum has paid tribute to her little boy - the world’s youngest Parkinson’s sufferer - who died after potentially life-saving surgery was postponed due to coronavirus."

Erm.... nope. Due to the hysterical overreaction, not the coronavirus. Get it right.


And yet unbelievably:

"Now his grieving mum Rebecca, and his older brother Khaleed, 11, are sharing his story to help raise awareness of the condition.

They also want to plead with people to abide by COVID-19 restrictions so other children can get the life-saving surgeries they need faster."

"People need to stop being so selfish when it comes to COVID-19 and stopping the spread,” Rebecca said."


This evil narrative essentially killed her child, yet she supports it?!!? :headbash:
 
This seems a pretty interesting thing to say. Perhaps you need to re-read it? Maybe we all do? Does this forum really function as your only true social safety net and shelter? Is that what it's for, and is the reality 'out there' so terrible? Is this some sort of way of avoiding it?

Are you hinting I should go out and find a life? :-D:-D
I moved a lot and so did my friends. Only two in Croatia are super busy working 12h a day during the season at the coast, they basically don't exist until winter. My former 'friends' turned out to be involved in some satanic crap so I moved as far as I could from any of them. Half an hour ago I was verbally attacked on the street for smiling while walking my dogs. Crazy 40 something woman concluded I was 'laughing' at her and started yelling at me. I wasn't even aware I had a smile on my face.

So, yeah. It's getting pretty crazy 'out there'.
 
What you may not realise is that this feeling has been so ingrained in you that it's seeping through your posts and affecting others. If you were able to read your own posts from the last 2 months calmly and objectively, you might notice that you sound a little like the guy running around, shaking people, and screaming "we're all gonna die!"
Oh, since you mentioned that... it occurred to me recently that that might actually be the primary reason for the masks - to remind you that there's a crisis, that you should be afraid, that the world is not normal and safe anymore. Without the masks, people might not even notice that there's a 'pandemic' going on.

I agree with the above points of MI. This whole situation about this Coronavirus and the implementation of the police state all over the world by the PTB affects all of us. Sometimes we can't see that other people can see in our posts that the stress and madness generated by the situation are affecting us.
I think that SOTTREADER reactions are mixed with a fear of what could happen. We all know what could possibly happen and we learn and prepare for that.
And it is very likely that some of us in the very near future will be in a situation to accept or not the vaccine. I would do everything possible to avoid it. What if I found myself in a situation where let's say my bank account will be frozen or I can't get a job without getting that vaccine.

So learning about the vaccines, learning how to minimize the damage is a good way to go. Discussing here supplements, protocols how to detox more efficiently, how to minimize the damage is a good way to help yourself and by networking about that help others with very useful information that will probably be needed by a lot of people. We must prepare. A constant input of knowledge. That does not mean that somebody is on one or the other side. It means to be wise and have a knowledge how to navigate this madness

Now we don't want to wear a mask. But if you live in a place where you can't get into a store to buy food, what will you do. The smart move will be to put something on your face, get to the store, and get food. That does not mean that you are supporting wearing a mask.
It just means that you are smart enough and that you are choosing your battles carefully. We talked about this a lot on this forum.
 
The Weasel in Chief is in the news again.

Dr. Anthony Fauci says chance of coronavirus vaccine being highly effective is ‘not great’


  • White House coronavirus advisor Dr. Anthony Fauci that the chances of scientists creating a highly effective vaccine — one that provides 98% or more guaranteed protection — for the virus are slim.
  • Scientists are hoping for a coronavirus vaccine that is at least 75% effective, but 50% or 60% effective would be acceptable, too, he said.
  • The FDA has said it would authorize a coronavirus vaccine so long as it is safe and at least 50% effective.

I guess they know there will be a lot of problems. They will probably start listing side effects as symptoms of Covid infection and then simply say that the vaccine is not yet effective and that repeated inoculation is needed.

This virus really gave them so much...
 
The Weasel in Chief is in the news again.

Dr. Anthony Fauci says chance of coronavirus vaccine being highly effective is ‘not great’


I guess they know there will be a lot of problems. They will probably start listing side effects as symptoms of Covid infection and then simply say that the vaccine is not yet effective and that repeated inoculation is needed.

This virus really gave them so much...


They already do the bolded sentence just above, as mentioned on last Tuesday by biuta, in this ZeroHedge's article published on August 3th from a LA times one (in the last sentence of the following quote):
COVID-19 Vaccine Could Mean Regular Injections, No Guarantee Of Immunity

For starters, a COVID-19 vaccine can be released if it's 'safe and proves effective' on as few as 50% of those who receive it, according to recently released federal guidelines. What's more, the definition of "effective" means that it simply has to 'minimize the most serious symptoms,' according to the report.

"We should anticipate the SARS-CoV-2 vaccine to be similar to the influenza vaccine," said Dr. Kathleen Neuzil, director of the Center for Vaccine Development at the University of Maryland. "That vaccine may or may not keep people from being infected with the virus, but it does keep people out of the hospital and the ICU."

Because of this, experts say that the first round of COVID-19 vaccines probably won't eliminate the need for masks, social distancing and other measures. So - after all the promises made by government officials, a vaccine may only reduce symptoms, and may turn into a recurring shot that only works on half the population.

Edit: Added "(in the last sentence of the following quote)"
 
They already do the bolded sentence just above, as mentioned on last Tuesday by biuta, in this ZeroHedge's article published on August 3th from a LA times one (in the last sentence of the following quote):
COVID-19 Vaccine Could Mean Regular Injections, No Guarantee Of Immunity



Edit: Added "(in the last sentence of the following quote)"

Like I said on SOTT.fr :

Let's go back to the basics: definition of a vaccine "A pathogenic substance that, when inoculated into an individual, confers immunity against a disease".

If the injected thing is not guaranteed to confer immunity, then it is not a vaccine.

It's a smokescreen, a pretext, a money pump, or whatever you want, but by definition, it's not a vaccine.
 
Like I said on SOTT.fr :

Let's go back to the basics: definition of a vaccine "A pathogenic substance that, when inoculated into an individual, confers immunity against a disease".

If the injected thing is not guaranteed to confer immunity, then it is not a vaccine.

It's a smokescreen, a pretext, a money pump, or whatever you want, but by definition, it's not a vaccine.

I think vaccines are not vaccines per se for a long time, say at least 40 years. Yet, they continue to sell them as if they were while they are pure poisoning. That's the trick for most of people who do not see what might come with this new one, as most of them did not saw what came with others since last decades. Knowledge protects, ignorance endangers.
 
I prefer to give people some credit when deciding for themselves what is a right thing to do for themselves. If they are wrong then they will learn a new lesson through pain. I don't control my daughter in her actions, lessons. I tell her what I think about it when she shares but the decision is her alone. In the end we all do what we do and we learn more from it. I will never be so arrogant to tell another person how what they are doing is just plain wrong

As I see it, you might want to add to this equation the fact, that at least one of the main goals of this forum is in Gurdjieffian terms to move from the mechanical exoteric circle towards the mesoteric circle, where all members share the same understanding and awareness (this will maybe never be reached).

The ‘house is burning’ and there’s no time to loose, hence the feedback and mirroring can often be quite direct, which I don’t mind. The aim is to strengthen this group, to move away from the mechanicalness, and that is impossible to do alone, and without someone ‘in front’ of you on the ladder.

I hope that makes some sense:-)
 
Let's go back to the basics: definition of a vaccine "A pathogenic substance that, when inoculated into an individual, confers immunity against a disease".

If the injected thing is not guaranteed to confer immunity, then it is not a vaccine.

It's a smokescreen, a pretext, a money pump, or whatever you want, but by definition, it's not a vaccine.
That's pretty much what Catherine Austin Fitts is saying - vaccines are not medicine.

Here's the link again for her article,
The Injection Fraud – It’s Not a Vaccine
 
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