Danger, Will Robinson! WaySeer Propaganda!

[Woodsman]

Beautiful job, everybody! (On the final copy of this article on the front page of SOTT).

There's just one item I caught. (I caught it myself and changed it on the FB page, but I guess it didn't percolate. . .)

Whose rules? Whose social institutions? Humanity's or the psychopaths'? Remember, nothing is wrong with the idea of people agreeing to work together to form societies and governments. The problem stems from corruption within those societies and governments. This corruption is almost entirely due to psychopaths ignoring the laws of decent behavior, laws which prevent this psychopath and those like him from torturing and tormenting the rest of us for their amusement. If we are to survive their onslaught, we NEED to use our Pre-Frontal Cortex.

That's a direct personal attack which should be altered. I put instead. . .

Whose rules? Whose social institutions? Humanity's or the psychopaths'? Remember, nothing is wrong with the idea of people agreeing to work together to form societies and governments. The problem stems from corruption within those societies and governments. This corruption is almost entirely due to psychopaths ignoring the laws of decent behavior, laws which prevent psychopaths from torturing and tormenting the rest of us for their amusement. If we are to survive their onslaught, we NEED to use our Pre-Frontal Cortex.

Again, nice job! It was good to be part of this.

 

[Bernhard]

Beautiful job, everybody! (On the final copy of this article on the front page of SOTT).

Nice! Good job woodsman and team! Great to see it on SOTT. There have been rather interesting "discussions" about it on facebook.

 

[luke wilson]

This might be an example of not using my pre-frontal cortex as described by the article(though I don't think so), which was good may I add:

Also, take this as an anonymous note left in a suggestion box stating how a customer/consumer feels about whatever in that specific organisation:

From the comments section in the article

Ah-haha what a piece of crass Amerikan junk. Sunnyside up though: it's vile enough to divest earnestanonymoustruthseeker of his or her laughably clueless "V" fetish .

V for Vendetta: toxic Hollywood vengeance fantasy that ends with humongously ultraviolent close-enough-for-cigars 'suicide-bombing', and who's desperate Orwellian hooks (identify here! Please! Please!) vexate the vacuous but do very little to vindicate the vigilant and the virtuous. I've always wondered what's supposed to happen after the curtain's gone down on that damn stupid film. Does everyone get up and fly away like pretty white butterflies? I don't think so.

Response

"Highland Fleet Lute" is posting in an attempt to self-inflate ego at the expense of. . , well, everybody. There is no other service intended here.

But beyond that. . , do you ever wonder why this type of poster always sounds like the same person? They're not, (well, most of the time they're not), but the voice, perspective and snide, 'cleverness' is always eerily similar from instance to instance.

One theory is that OPs and sociopaths, etc., are like 2nd Density animals; they all have an essential "tree-ness" or "mouse-ness" about them in spite of their physical separation from one another; as though they draw their mind from a sort of collective well. But there's something else going on too, because there is always a kind of decay evident.

It takes an alarmingly short period, only a few years, for these kinds of minds to melt down. This one already cannot see past its own (silly) assumptions.

It is my opinion - dangerous term, that such responses, especially by the author to people who object to there article for whatever reason, can act to do more harm than good. Firstly, it brings up horrible images if constructed in the form above, images used long ago by the same very group of people or organisation that the author is trying to educate the reader about to distance people from each other by speaking about such people(that they dont agree with) in an outlandish 3rd person perspective as if they might as well be alien or a perceived inferior species eg comparing them to an animal(2D) and what that entails, the hidden images and feelings, think indigenous people being refered to as savages etc. All this images might come to mind after reading some of the counter-remarks to the so called trolls that stalk certain SOTT articles. To the congregation/converted, such replies will not do anything as they trust the author/organisation etc but if the aim is to educate the un-educated, then it is my opinion, that more tactful replies should be used. Sometimes it might be the easier option to let a critical comment just go, some people after all will always disagree for whatever reason - maybe because the article in question doesnt fit into there cultural context which was my opinion of Highlander's reply, not that he is an OP and this being the reason for his disagreement. Remember we live in the outer circle as described by Gudgjieff.

Don't wish to start somekind of argument and I am not criticising the article or the author in any way shape or form. Just stating the impression about some of the replies I see especially in certain articles that get trolls out that are able to get underneath the author's skin, which could go a long way since they happen to be spontaneous etc etc and what impression this might give about the people writing them unlike the articles which I assume pass through several filters. To put things in perspective, if the author is drawn out to make a snide comment, employing techniques of those they are supposedly fighting against inorder to defeat there perceived critics, by way of association, the article might be rendered invalid to the eyes of some readers or the trolls could simply catch onto this and accuse the author of a double standard which leads into more arguments and debates and that in short, takes the attention away from the article or the material whch is the most relevant thing, not personal battles or not the personality of the author or troll etc, this are all ego feeding avenues if you ask me and acts as a distraction although I am well aware we live in an ego-centric world. Also some of the comments are there for the sole-purpose of getting the author to respond, get that initial hook well into place and then after that, the ego wars ensue and the readers become more captivated by that and the personalities involved rather than the articles in question or rather look forward to the articles, just for the comments. Like have you found yourself, scrolling down to the end of the article to see how many comments are there and how many arguments are going on before you read the article? It might just be me...

If this is an invalid point of view, to whoever it might concern feel free to discard the note - using the suggestion box analogy.

Luke

 

[Woodsman]

Hi, luke wilson

I hear you.

In this case I decided it was both a worthy and interesting adjunct to the article in question to engage briefly with that personality. The resulting display and context seem to me a valuable learning or perhaps research(??) opportunity for readers. It seemed a unique chance to examine trolling behavior; in an article about the very forces which drive such things.

The poster in question, I think, was making a choice to become part of this display, so I don't think free-will was abridged. He was not, I don't think, making comments due to a cultural misunderstanding, but rather as a deliberate attack and attempted hook. Of course, I can't call "OP" or even "pathological" on somebody; but I CAN recognize those behavior patterns and point them out when they are apparent. We all have the predator inside us to some degree, and it is only through recognizing the patterns that we have a chance to overthrow them. It is important to note, as you are aware, that there are generally three participants in any such discussion; the third being the observing, but otherwise uninvolved readership. There is a lot which can be learned by watching others go through challenges, and I considered this.

Internally, I should note that my various methods for dealing with this particular case have been only partially effective. I feel a bit sick right now, suspected I would, and I weighed that against acting. But I felt it was worth doing in this case. It is also worth mentioning that a good portion of that sick feeling stems from exactly the concerns you bring up; not knowing if I did the right thing or not. (I've learned to mistrust my own perceptions in this past year; I've made some poor calls in the forum and I now spend a lot of time second-guessing myself.)

It's all well and good to not want to "Turn the other cheek" and to "Give a lie what it asks for", but there is only so much energy to spend, and without strict objectivity, there can be problems.

In this case, though, I decided to act and be open to the resulting lessons.

 

[Palinurus]

Well done, Woodsman. There was no real need to worry as far as I could see. Those decisions always generate some doubts of one sort or another, that goes with the territory so to speak. When playing in the dirt you might get dirty inadvertently - most of it stems from the opponent's dark influences, not from yourself I would gather. I thought it rather a well measured riposte which didn't need farther defending. Still I'm glad you took the time to inform us about your way of reasoning. Very enlightening, to me at least.

By the way I never thanked you properly for your efforts in dissecting this video. I for one consider it a prime example of an effective way to counteract such phishing and vectoring videos and learned much from the surrounding exchanges in this thread. So, thank you and all others involved.

 

[RedFox]

(I've learned to mistrust my own perceptions in this past year; I've made some poor calls in the forum and I now spend a lot of time second-guessing myself.)

If this is the case, then perhaps it is a good idea to network you're thoughts before responding to someone like this in future? That way you get to learn the networks take on these things, and can start to build an internal representation of them. fwiw

 

[Woodsman]

(I've learned to mistrust my own perceptions in this past year; I've made some poor calls in the forum and I now spend a lot of time second-guessing myself.)

If this is the case, then perhaps it is a good idea to network you're thoughts before responding to someone like this in future? That way you get to learn the networks take on these things, and can start to build an internal representation of them. fwiw

Yeah. I think you're probably right.

--I'm not really used to finding myself in a spot where I'm representing a larger group's views. --At least not in a semi-official manner as this. It's different from speaking from the comfort of one's own personal soap box. It caught me a bit off guard.

For now, I'm thinking that a good general policy is for when I happen to find myself in a situation where I am the named on-point author, I should withdraw entirely from discussions and leave it to others to discuss and/or hash out the finer details. That way is safe. I can learn my own lessons and risk making an ass out of myself on my own time.

 

[Laura]

Luke, have you gotten your copy of The Dot Connector magazine yet? Read my article where I take the gloves off about a possible source of the pathology in this world? Well, you ain't seen nothin' yet. Wait 'til next issue, I'll be zeroing in on this one.

 

[Cosmos]

Luke, have you gotten your copy of The Dot Connector magazine yet? Read my article where I take the gloves off about a possible source of the pathology in this world? Well, you ain't seen nothin' yet. Wait 'til next issue, I'll be zeroing in on this one.

I'll wait

 

[Gimpy]

Luke, have you gotten your copy of The Dot Connector magazine yet? Read my article where I take the gloves off about a possible source of the pathology in this world? Well, you ain't seen nothin' yet. Wait 'til next issue, I'll be zeroing in on this one.

Cool. :D We haven't received the latest Dot Connector yet. All of them tend to show up very late, and a few appeared to be thumbed through. I figure as long as its being read, no harm no foul. ;D

 

[eternusphoenix]

It's unfortunate to see how the wayseer nonsense is spreading. As I had KPFK on in the background yesterday, one caller get on air shortly after the show begins and starts to go on and on about the "wayseer(s)" and how KPFK (which is a los angeles liberal radio station) would be much better if more listeners were in line and if the station was more in line with the non-thinking-person's propaganda aka the wayseer(s).

It seems that the spin machine that keeps most in line, is going into overdrive. I wonder what will happen when the propaganda spinsters run out of things to say.


Great article Woodsman!

 

[cubbex]

Hey what's up, I had not time to translate, but if someone wants me to translate the woodsman comment from sott I may do it. Just let me know where I have to send the text and if someone is not doing it. Or if it's not necessary to translate it.