Danger, Will Robinson! WaySeer Propaganda!

[Woodsman]

Just woke up to check the forum with fresh eyes. . .

When considering slander/liable, I think it might indeed be wise, as Bud offered, to not make any accusations like calling the guy a psychopath in any public statements. It would be rather hard to prove something like that in a legal challenge, (though it would certainly be an interesting thing to attempt. I wonder what would happen if he were asked to be tested by a court psychiatrist. . ?) Whatever the case, certainly a huge can of worms might be easily avoided by sticking to the known absolute facts!

Also, any video reply on YouTube, while I think should be simple enough to counter the message effectively among its target music-video age groups, should definitely explain that there is a great deal more to learn and that a very in-depth web page be offered with high caliber research of the kind coming up now.

Should accusatory comments already made which might be considered slanderous be retracted or shunted to private sections of the forum?

I'd be willing to edit stuff immediately if it is considered appropriate. Tag with "user opinion" perhaps? Is there a policy on this?

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EDIT
Just read the line two inches under my question: "Cassiopaea.org, Quantum Future School, and QFG Inc. do not necessarily endorse or adhere to views or opinions expressed in the articles or comments posted on this forum. This is purely an information and research discussion forum and the opinions of each participant are their own."

Duh.

 

[de-tached]

Perhaps it would be more efficient and effective to post this commentary in an article on SOTT?

It's quicker to read it, and less painful than watching it again. ;)

A synthesis of the great feedback here, sticking to the facts that it doesn't step into "liable" or ad hominem remarks would be outstanding imo; simply serving the video and his book two scoops of truth à la prefrontal cortex.

 

[Buddy]

Woodsman, I love how you simplified my points. Thank you. And I will take your advice to heart as I am, indeed, self-trained to relate to software engineers and to use some of those metaphors and such.

Thank you for that feedback! :)

 

[Woodsman]

Woodsman, I love how you simplified my points. Thank you. And I will take your advice to heart as I am, indeed, self-trained to relate to software engineers and to use some of those metaphors and such.

Thank you for that feedback! :)

No worries! --I had a lot of fun trying to keep up with you while attempting to grasp that blasted double-slit experiment. I was quite down the rabbit hole on that one. Stretching the mind is good and I don't know if I thanked you properly at the time for the workout! :)

 

[Buddy]

It seems that since those "twins" studies in the 1990's, this gene has been related to ADHD, alcoholism, the Celts, novelty seeking, Liberalism, McCarthyism, political progressive, thrill seeking/gambling and sexual promiscuity (even though we can find happy 'disordered' people in monogamous relationships as well).

Something I find interesting about these gene studies is to watch the pivot point between the data and its interpretation, because apparently even Loporto is not immune to hiding from his own assumptions. For example:

In de-tached's post that includes excerpts from Loporto's book:

This [DRD4 7R]difference encourages risk-taking, novelty seeking, increased alpha/theta brainwave patterns, susceptibility to addictive behavior, ADD/ADHD and bipolar...

"Encourages"?

I have yet to see interesting questions like these asked:

What if, instead of "encouraging novelty seeking", this gene simply stops people avoiding it?
What if, instead of encouraging "risky behaviors", this gene simply makes 'entepreneurship' a natural trait or inclination?
What if, instead of "encouraging susceptibility to addictive behavior", this gene simply prevents toleration for the high levels of negative stress that others become acclimated to so well that they stop noticing it until their health starts to suffer? What does society provide to offer needed relief?
:)

 

[Woodsman]

On the way home today, a car passed with this Wayseer Manifesto music blaring from its sound system. A clever design; it wasn't just a video; it was a MUSIC video which makes it transferable to other mediums. Like iPods and radio stations.

Anyway, I think the window of opportunity on offering an effective response via YouTube to most exposed viewers, (so that they could have the immediate choice of hearing both halves of the argument), has been missed.

I think it's now down to offering a decent wiki page for those who feel curious enough to research further.

Side note: It strikes me that our delay in getting anything done in time was an example of the prefrontal cortex doing its job. In my break-down of the script, I'd been accusing a private individual of psychopathy, and that might have been legally problematic in the long run. The notion didn't cross my mind until somebody else brought it up.

Though, I'd still like to see the other side of this message presented in video form. (Without inflammatory wordings.)

Sigh. I thought for a while we were going to stop evil in its tracks. But that was wishful and perhaps even stupid given the possible fallout.

Still, it'd be nice to win a bigg-ish one like that rather than have to watch the world drown in its own filth a little more.

People aren't all bad. They're just ignorant.

 

[Meager1]

Still, it'd be nice to win a bigg-ish one like that rather than have to watch the world drown in its own filth a little more.

People aren't all bad. They're just ignorant[/quote]



Reading that reminded me of a section in the transcripts that referred to, if I remember correctly, abduction and later generations, as being a kind attempt to raise the nastiness levels for new occupants. And if you think about all the deliberate poisoning that`s been done to the last couple of generations, you do have to wonder why.


I lost that particular transcript, and everything else I had saved on my old computer, but I recall something along those lines.

Since I don`t have the transcript to refer back to, the thought itself is just "out there" , though it certainly does seem that there is an active attempt to gather up this segment of the population, for something or other.

 

[cubbex]

He indeed likes revolution, but not to make others really understand, just to make a movement of whatever he tries to improve (yeah sure) , but it is because of the energy moving around those movements, if he wins or whatever, they will feel bored because its like they don't want to help people, they just want some superficial about supposedly real freedom and whatever, creativity. I don't see creativity on jumping with a skateboard, jumping over the people in some Metallica concert, wanting like an animal to buy the best and expensive purse, that looks like living with vain ambitions, with real impulsivity into the adrenaline. What is this guy teaching is really, to not use in any way your brain, live dancing and doing whatever just needs inertia, and don't think, having no rules. If we as society are dying just imagine a new world with this teachings.

The worst part is that, maybe you don't like his video and whatever, but there is people that will love him, and fallow him, and be convinced by his words, spell and speech. What an incontious guy talking and calling the people, to be free and blablabla, don't care about what is happening and suffering out there, just live by your impulses hell yeah!!

The people that is opressed by rules (some people) is because those rules are made by psychopaths, but indeed there are people that just do not want rules because their demons cannot be "free".

Edit:

Just to remember this kind of people do not have to be psychopaths, they could have a potential over the masses or whatever, and are mislead, so they teach this things.

 

[Laura]

Several of us have been making comments on FB about it.

Woodsman, put your piece together (removing nasty comments about the maker of the video though you can say things such as "In my opinion..." ) and post it on your FB as a "note." Then we can all repost it and also carry it on sott.

 

[Meager1]

I played the "manifesto" for my son this morning before school, I wanted to watch with him before he had a Chance watch it alone.
Anyway I stopped the tape for a discussion at 4:57/9:50 and noticed some strange critter on a TV screen at the back of the room but I can`t make it out other then it has horns.
Has anyone else noticed this kind of thing showing up in this video?

Anyway, my son (17 year old) was not overly impressed with the "manifesto" and just said Mom the school is full of people like that, ya just gotta ignore them.

 

[Palinurus]

Having watched this discussion unfold in the last couple of days I would conclude it's never too late to answer this pack of slick lies with some sort of rebuttal of truth. Nobody knows exactly how long this awful video took in the making but I'm sure we beat them by miles in composing an answer. Although these viral thingies could die out very quickly it still seems worthwhile -if only just for the record- to follow Laura's strategy in using FB as a starting point and spread this rebuttal as wide and as fast as possible. You know the saying 'we do the impossible straight away, but miracles take a little longer' - it's just within our grasp to launch this answer of truthfulness right now and we have to wait and see what it will accomplish on its own 'out there'. Consider it an experiment and you will have all bases covered...

 

[Woodsman]

Several of us have been making comments on FB about it.

Woodsman, put your piece together (removing nasty comments about the maker of the video though you can say things such as "In my opinion..." ) and post it on your FB as a "note." Then we can all repost it and also carry it on sott.

Very good.

Let me put that through my prefrontal cortex while at work, and I'll put something together for approval after I get home later today.

 

[Bernhard]

Several of us have been making comments on FB about it.

Woodsman, put your piece together (removing nasty comments about the maker of the video though you can say things such as "In my opinion..." ) and post it on your FB as a "note." Then we can all repost it and also carry it on sott.

Yeah, good idea! I also recommend to stay away from attacking that guy personally. Just focus on what he says and his message. It's more powerful than engaging in ad hominem. You already wrote some great points, dissecting his message for what it is.

 

[Bernhard]

Here's a discussion on facebook about the video, where the maker of it, Garret LoPorto, also just joined in (with rather lame knee-jerk reactions, I might add).
I suggest for anyone on facebook to join in if you like and give your 2 cents to it:

_http://www.facebook.com/pages/Garret-John-LoPorto/172369786139011#!/permalink.php?story_fbid=171931332859721&id=532165961

 

[Woodsman]

Several of us have been making comments on FB about it.

Woodsman, put your piece together (removing nasty comments about the maker of the video though you can say things such as "In my opinion..." ) and post it on your FB as a "note." Then we can all repost it and also carry it on sott.

Done!

_http://www.facebook.com/notes/woodsman-wood/wayseer-manifesto-oh-really-/101759003240915

Forum members: Please let me know if there are any changes you might suggest.

Thanks!