DMSO - Dimethylsulphoxide
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Gonzo
The Living Force
You know, I just can't say enough how amazing this group, all of us, are. Such helpfulness borne out of genuine compassion and exercised in so many ways really moves me.
In a way, it makes me quite sad because I know this is what humanity can be like, given the opportunity and environment.
Even in our STS world we can still rise to incredible heights that I get a glimpse of what we, the people, could do in an STO world. Granted, this forum is made up mostly of people aligned who are trying to move themselves away from STS and towards STO, so we aren't representative of the population at large.
But I can see how even in an STS world we practice STO principles and create an STO world within an STS one. Ok, enough off topic.
My partner had a nasty fall during a paranormal investigation we participated in several weeks ago. In the low light, she didn't notice there was one more step left as she descended a flight of stairs and twisted her ankle. The worst part of the injury seems to have healed, but she still has occasional aches and swelling if she is on her feet too long. While we wait to get her into physio, I thought I'd try DMSO on her.
The first time was a few nights ago before bed. The ankle was slightly swollen and aching. I sprayed a 50% diluted solution of DMSO on her ankle and let it soak in. Within 15 minutes the pain was pretty much gone, as was the swelling. Tonight she was having the pain again and her knees and one wrist (computer related repetition injury from years ago) were also bugging her (whenever precipitation is in the forecast, her knees and wrist start aching). So, I did an experiment and applied the DMSO diluted solution to one knee and her wrist and a lidocaine/menthol cream to the other.
Within minutes she said they knees felt different from each other, but both had less pain. A few more minutes passed and the wrist and knee that had the DMSO application were pain free and the other knee was 80% better. Now, it's pretty hard to know what role the placebo affect might have played, but she was surprised at the speed and degree of help afforded by DMSO. I was actually surprised that she never experienced the taste in her mouth that I got. She's usually quite sensitive to just about everything and her body feels the effect of food almost instantly after she eats (she's type 2 diabetic but has had it well under control with diet for a couple of years).
It makes sense at this point to try a consistent approach for a while with her and see what the results are like after a week. We're not sure when she can get into physio yet and I am concerned the injury could become chronic if left untreated.
Incidentally, my pain specialist was talking about injecting me with a nerve block for my shoulder. He is supportive of me experimenting with DMSO but is concerned about my overall pain levels and would like me to get things more under control. Although I am running out of options from his perspective, I decided to modify my current approach first before we consider the nerve blocks.
Since DMSO is an excellent carrier for other medicines, I thought I could apply lidocaine to my shoulder after the DMSO and see if it would have an effect on the nerve pain that often travels down my arm.
I'm not sure if this makes a lot of medical sense, and, if it does, I'm not sure if I should apply the combined therapy to the shoulder (pain is in the front of the shoulder), to the side of the neck at the facet joints or both. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks,
Gonzo
In a way, it makes me quite sad because I know this is what humanity can be like, given the opportunity and environment.
Even in our STS world we can still rise to incredible heights that I get a glimpse of what we, the people, could do in an STO world. Granted, this forum is made up mostly of people aligned who are trying to move themselves away from STS and towards STO, so we aren't representative of the population at large.
But I can see how even in an STS world we practice STO principles and create an STO world within an STS one. Ok, enough off topic.
My partner had a nasty fall during a paranormal investigation we participated in several weeks ago. In the low light, she didn't notice there was one more step left as she descended a flight of stairs and twisted her ankle. The worst part of the injury seems to have healed, but she still has occasional aches and swelling if she is on her feet too long. While we wait to get her into physio, I thought I'd try DMSO on her.
The first time was a few nights ago before bed. The ankle was slightly swollen and aching. I sprayed a 50% diluted solution of DMSO on her ankle and let it soak in. Within 15 minutes the pain was pretty much gone, as was the swelling. Tonight she was having the pain again and her knees and one wrist (computer related repetition injury from years ago) were also bugging her (whenever precipitation is in the forecast, her knees and wrist start aching). So, I did an experiment and applied the DMSO diluted solution to one knee and her wrist and a lidocaine/menthol cream to the other.
Within minutes she said they knees felt different from each other, but both had less pain. A few more minutes passed and the wrist and knee that had the DMSO application were pain free and the other knee was 80% better. Now, it's pretty hard to know what role the placebo affect might have played, but she was surprised at the speed and degree of help afforded by DMSO. I was actually surprised that she never experienced the taste in her mouth that I got. She's usually quite sensitive to just about everything and her body feels the effect of food almost instantly after she eats (she's type 2 diabetic but has had it well under control with diet for a couple of years).
It makes sense at this point to try a consistent approach for a while with her and see what the results are like after a week. We're not sure when she can get into physio yet and I am concerned the injury could become chronic if left untreated.
Incidentally, my pain specialist was talking about injecting me with a nerve block for my shoulder. He is supportive of me experimenting with DMSO but is concerned about my overall pain levels and would like me to get things more under control. Although I am running out of options from his perspective, I decided to modify my current approach first before we consider the nerve blocks.
Since DMSO is an excellent carrier for other medicines, I thought I could apply lidocaine to my shoulder after the DMSO and see if it would have an effect on the nerve pain that often travels down my arm.
I'm not sure if this makes a lot of medical sense, and, if it does, I'm not sure if I should apply the combined therapy to the shoulder (pain is in the front of the shoulder), to the side of the neck at the facet joints or both. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks,
Gonzo
If it was me, I'd do a lot of reading on DMSO and stick with that. There ARE things that you want to carry into the body with DMSO, but you have to be VERY careful about that and I'm not sure that lidocaine is one of them.
The taping method really works on nerve pain (ask Patience!) and the DMSO can bring permanent healing to the tissues.
Having been through every kind of treatment imaginable for intractable pain, including three major surgeries, I sure wish I knew then what I know now - I'd have used DMSO and taping.
The taping method really works on nerve pain (ask Patience!) and the DMSO can bring permanent healing to the tissues.
Having been through every kind of treatment imaginable for intractable pain, including three major surgeries, I sure wish I knew then what I know now - I'd have used DMSO and taping.
Gonzo
The Living Force
Thanks, Laura.
While I don't see DMSO as a panacea, I certainly see how I can be over exuberant when I finally find something that has an effect.
The thinking with the lidocaine was that it would transport the action further down the nerve line, similar to the effects of the nerve block. But since it could also makes it's way into the blood stream, that might not be such a good idea. As well, it seems DMSO has similar effects to lidocaine in the sense of deadening the nerves, so it might have been a bit redundant.
I appreciate the second sober thought, especially from someone who has gone through such similar experiences with chronic pain, inflammation and surgery, if not more.
Much obliged.
I have to say, I was a little surprised to read about the history of DMSO vis a vis the FDA working hard to halt research and limit distribution, even to the extent of exaggerating negative results in their research.
I will be seeing if I can find its Canadian regulatory history to see what we did with it in its earlier days.
Health Canada recently had a public consultation on delisting several drugs, including DMSO, but they've yet to publish the results of the consultation nor have they amended the act and regulations in which its use is currently strictly limited.
Thanks again,
Gonzo
While I don't see DMSO as a panacea, I certainly see how I can be over exuberant when I finally find something that has an effect.
The thinking with the lidocaine was that it would transport the action further down the nerve line, similar to the effects of the nerve block. But since it could also makes it's way into the blood stream, that might not be such a good idea. As well, it seems DMSO has similar effects to lidocaine in the sense of deadening the nerves, so it might have been a bit redundant.
I appreciate the second sober thought, especially from someone who has gone through such similar experiences with chronic pain, inflammation and surgery, if not more.
Much obliged.
I have to say, I was a little surprised to read about the history of DMSO vis a vis the FDA working hard to halt research and limit distribution, even to the extent of exaggerating negative results in their research.
I will be seeing if I can find its Canadian regulatory history to see what we did with it in its earlier days.
Health Canada recently had a public consultation on delisting several drugs, including DMSO, but they've yet to publish the results of the consultation nor have they amended the act and regulations in which its use is currently strictly limited.
Thanks again,
Gonzo
Mr. Premise
The Living Force
I tried oral DMSO for the first time Saturday. Wasn't sure about the smell so I waited until I had some time I didn't have to be anywhere in public or at work or have any invitations to people's houses. I took a teaspoon in some distilled water. Didn't taste bad and I didn't have any negative reactions to it. Maybe a very slight headache.
About an hour after I took it, my 12-year old started to complain about a smell in the house. Like sour rotten milk. I stood next to him and asked him if it was me, but he said no, and then I stood next to my wife and she said I didn't smell weird, so I thought it was something else. It started to bother my 12-year old so much he started walking around the house with his t-shirt over his mouth lighting scented candles and incense. He must be the olfactory canary in the coal mine!
Later, my wife and the other kids started to smell it on me, so I told them that I took some DMSO and what it does. Didn't realize it would smell so bad! I even did a FIR sauna session that evening and took a shower, then took another shower the next morning and they all could smell it when I came down in the morning. By evening though, they said it was almost gone. Didn't bother my dog, though. :P
I am interested in finding out what it smells like, because, like garlic, you can't smell it on yourself. I even ran into a friend today who uses it regularly and he smelled it for the first time on me.
I was glad, though, that it didn't make me feel bad, so at least taking detox supplements and doing the FIR sauna for the past year and a half, plus several courses of DMSA has helped. I'll definitely keep up DMSO whenever I get the chance and hope I don't get kicked out of the house.
About an hour after I took it, my 12-year old started to complain about a smell in the house. Like sour rotten milk. I stood next to him and asked him if it was me, but he said no, and then I stood next to my wife and she said I didn't smell weird, so I thought it was something else. It started to bother my 12-year old so much he started walking around the house with his t-shirt over his mouth lighting scented candles and incense. He must be the olfactory canary in the coal mine!
Later, my wife and the other kids started to smell it on me, so I told them that I took some DMSO and what it does. Didn't realize it would smell so bad! I even did a FIR sauna session that evening and took a shower, then took another shower the next morning and they all could smell it when I came down in the morning. By evening though, they said it was almost gone. Didn't bother my dog, though. :P
I am interested in finding out what it smells like, because, like garlic, you can't smell it on yourself. I even ran into a friend today who uses it regularly and he smelled it for the first time on me.
I was glad, though, that it didn't make me feel bad, so at least taking detox supplements and doing the FIR sauna for the past year and a half, plus several courses of DMSA has helped. I'll definitely keep up DMSO whenever I get the chance and hope I don't get kicked out of the house.
shijing
The Living Force
Mr. Premise said:
My family sometimes complains rather mightily after I take it for about the first two days. I'll pick my daughter up after school, and she says she can smell it right away and makes gagging noises at me to try to drive the point home. It's the weirdest thing, because after I take it and get that initial taste in my mouth, I can't tell for the life of me that I smell any different, but everyone else around me apparently can!
Mr. Premise said:
The garlic-like body odor and taste in the mouth that some experience is attributable to a specific DMSO metabolite: dimethyl sulfide (DMS), a component of natural onion and garlic flavors. This can last for one or two days and in a small number of people, especially men, the odor can be very pungent. Drinking enough water will help diffuse the smell.
Gonzo
The Living Force
With respect to the smell, I was surprised at how potent the odour was even though both my partner and I only used it topically.
Within a few minutes after application, I experienced the taste in the mouth (she didn't, by the way) and within 30 or so more minutes our entire bodies starting smelling. Actually, it was the bedroom that started to smell, or so it seemed.
Of course, we couldn't really smell it if we were both using it, but on the occasions where only one of us were applying it, the other person noticed the smell strongly.
The very first time I used it, my partner reported that I smelled of rotting vegetables.
However, when she used it, I smelled something closer to the smell a kitchen takes on after cooking cabbage and garlic.
Since our other housemates have mentioned a recent garbage smell throughout the house, I'm hesitant to use DMSO throughout the work week. My office is supposed to be scent free, so I can't hide behind my Givenchy pour hommes. Geez, now that I think about it, I wonder if rotting asparagus is considered a scent. :)
I certainly can understand why various drug trials and other experiments with DMSO had such high participant dropout rates. Usually such rates would be attributable to side effects. This is the first time I've ever read of foul odour as a primary cause of dropping out or non completion.
Heh, maybe it has a discouraging affect on vampires.
An interesting side note: my partner is complaining less about the smell of cigarettes on me. Maybe this could be a form of "diversion therapy".
:)
Gonzo
Within a few minutes after application, I experienced the taste in the mouth (she didn't, by the way) and within 30 or so more minutes our entire bodies starting smelling. Actually, it was the bedroom that started to smell, or so it seemed.
Of course, we couldn't really smell it if we were both using it, but on the occasions where only one of us were applying it, the other person noticed the smell strongly.
The very first time I used it, my partner reported that I smelled of rotting vegetables.
However, when she used it, I smelled something closer to the smell a kitchen takes on after cooking cabbage and garlic.
Since our other housemates have mentioned a recent garbage smell throughout the house, I'm hesitant to use DMSO throughout the work week. My office is supposed to be scent free, so I can't hide behind my Givenchy pour hommes. Geez, now that I think about it, I wonder if rotting asparagus is considered a scent. :)
I certainly can understand why various drug trials and other experiments with DMSO had such high participant dropout rates. Usually such rates would be attributable to side effects. This is the first time I've ever read of foul odour as a primary cause of dropping out or non completion.
Heh, maybe it has a discouraging affect on vampires.
An interesting side note: my partner is complaining less about the smell of cigarettes on me. Maybe this could be a form of "diversion therapy".
:)
Gonzo
RyanX
The Living Force
Well, after reading through this thread yesterday I decided to attempt my first dose of DMSO last night. I figured, radiation or not, it probably wouldn't be a bad idea to boost my detox regime. Here are some observations:
First, opening the bottle, there wasn't much of any smell to it. The bottle claimed it was 99% pure DMSO. (The bottle also said not to take internally
) Given the comments about sulfur smell, I was expecting it to sink like rotten eggs or something, but there was none of that. I think Data mention this as well. Anyways, I put a teaspoon in a small glass of distilled water and gulped it down. This was on a empty stomach, of course, about 40min before I ate dinner. It had a taste which I can only compare to "stale vegetables". I'm not sure if that's the best description or not, but I've tasted worse things in my life, so drinking it wasn't a problem. I chased it down with another large glass of water.
It did give me a slight floaty feeling at first, almost like the feeling I get when I smoke too much tobacco. I noticed throughout the night that I felt warmer and thirstier than I normally do. I also had more phlegm than usual as well. While I was doing the breathing and meditation later on I had to periodically clear my throat, and usually that doesn't happen unless I've been sick.
I'll wait a week and try it again. So far so good, I guess.
I did have one question though: When I was measuring off a teaspoon, I ended up using a stainless-steel measuring spoon. Afterward I got to thinking that might not have been the greatest thing to do since this stuff is supposed to act as a metal solvent and it might pick up some of the chromium from the stainless steel. Would it be better to use a plastic measuring spoon instead? Maybe it doesn't matter since it's not in contact with the spoon for all that long. Thanks!
First, opening the bottle, there wasn't much of any smell to it. The bottle claimed it was 99% pure DMSO. (The bottle also said not to take internally
) Given the comments about sulfur smell, I was expecting it to sink like rotten eggs or something, but there was none of that. I think Data mention this as well. Anyways, I put a teaspoon in a small glass of distilled water and gulped it down. This was on a empty stomach, of course, about 40min before I ate dinner. It had a taste which I can only compare to "stale vegetables". I'm not sure if that's the best description or not, but I've tasted worse things in my life, so drinking it wasn't a problem. I chased it down with another large glass of water. It did give me a slight floaty feeling at first, almost like the feeling I get when I smoke too much tobacco. I noticed throughout the night that I felt warmer and thirstier than I normally do. I also had more phlegm than usual as well. While I was doing the breathing and meditation later on I had to periodically clear my throat, and usually that doesn't happen unless I've been sick.
I'll wait a week and try it again. So far so good, I guess.
I did have one question though: When I was measuring off a teaspoon, I ended up using a stainless-steel measuring spoon. Afterward I got to thinking that might not have been the greatest thing to do since this stuff is supposed to act as a metal solvent and it might pick up some of the chromium from the stainless steel. Would it be better to use a plastic measuring spoon instead? Maybe it doesn't matter since it's not in contact with the spoon for all that long. Thanks!
Sentenza
Jedi
I have hot a question about distilled water.
Please excuse me if the question has been already asked, but forum is extraordinary dense and it's a bit difficult because of english language (but I just starded to watch "Dexter"(human or O.P? :P)in english version, so... ).
I see that everybodyhere is talking about "distilled water" but... what is exactly "distilled water"? There is no evidence for me on that point.
I feel pain ( tensive headache) for such a long time (years...) that I bought DMSO (99% of purity, not the best, no?) a week ago and try to use it topically since two days. I diluted my DMSO in mineral water (in bottle) because I don't understand what is "distilled water". Is it a bad thing?
I bougth in a supermarket some "demineralized water" (for battery cars or steam iron :/). It is wrote on the bottle : "Don't reach for children". Is it dangerous for human body? Can I use that to dilute DMSO?
Or "distilled water" maybe means filtered from the water tap? I've got one, but doesn't it subsist some products?
Please help me because I'm a little bit lost...
PS : DMSO works well, my pain had yet reduce in a significant way, even with mineral water.
Please excuse me if the question has been already asked, but forum is extraordinary dense and it's a bit difficult because of english language (but I just starded to watch "Dexter"(human or O.P? :P)in english version, so... ).
I see that everybodyhere is talking about "distilled water" but... what is exactly "distilled water"? There is no evidence for me on that point.
I feel pain ( tensive headache) for such a long time (years...) that I bought DMSO (99% of purity, not the best, no?) a week ago and try to use it topically since two days. I diluted my DMSO in mineral water (in bottle) because I don't understand what is "distilled water". Is it a bad thing?
I bougth in a supermarket some "demineralized water" (for battery cars or steam iron :/). It is wrote on the bottle : "Don't reach for children". Is it dangerous for human body? Can I use that to dilute DMSO?
Or "distilled water" maybe means filtered from the water tap? I've got one, but doesn't it subsist some products?
Please help me because I'm a little bit lost...
PS : DMSO works well, my pain had yet reduce in a significant way, even with mineral water.
RyanX
The Living Force
Sentenza said:I see that everybodyhere is talking about "distilled water" but... what is exactly "distilled water"? There is no evidence for me on that point.
Sentenza,
Distilled water is water that has been steamed and then re-condensed back into a liquid. Taking it from the liquid phase to the gas phase and back into the liquid phase removes most impurities other than any dissolved gasses. This makes distilled water incredibly pure - assuming it hasn't been contaminated with something after the distilling process.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distilled_water
Gonzo
The Living Force
in Canada we see the two terms "demineralized water" and "distilled water" often on bottles on the same shelf in the grocery store. Steam distillation removes minerals and other impurities and is, therefore, demineralized (although there are other means of demineralization: osmosis, for example).
From my reading on the issue, there seems to be a lot of fear in some that distilled water would somehow leach the body of it's minerals.
However, I can't see a scientific reason why it would be dangerous to use demineralized water on your skin or drink it.
Wikipedia's entry on Purified Water has a section "Health effects of drinking purified water" that might be informative:
_http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Purified_water#Health_effects_of_drinking_purified_water
Hoe that helps,
Gonzo
From my reading on the issue, there seems to be a lot of fear in some that distilled water would somehow leach the body of it's minerals.
However, I can't see a scientific reason why it would be dangerous to use demineralized water on your skin or drink it.
Wikipedia's entry on Purified Water has a section "Health effects of drinking purified water" that might be informative:
_http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Purified_water#Health_effects_of_drinking_purified_water
Hoe that helps,
Gonzo
