This is a repost
from another thread, that I think belongs here as well:
I've researched the topic of Vitamin C delivery to the body a while now with a particular emphasis on making "Liposomal Vitamin C" at home, especially for serious and acute health issues.
Early on I started to realize though, while looking at all kinds of recipes on making it and scientific articles, both from lay persons and professionals in science and the brands manufactures who sell Vitam-C as Liposomal products, that there is a great deal of confusion about this topic and everyone basically seemed to have different opinions about what Liposomal really is and if it can be made with simple tools at home at all, without many facts being available.
At the end of this gathering of data I basically concluded that there isn't really any proof that the simple recipes people on the net provide via ultrasonic cleaning apparatuses and the like do produce Liposomal products and thought it is rather likely that what is actually produced there is an emulsion, which is something quite different. See more about that below .
So I started to make the "Lipo-Vit-C" myself with various methods and recipes from the Net, while trying to also use a rather "strong" ultrasonic unit. There is also a wild discussion what amount of power is really needed and what waves, amplitudes, Herz etc. have to be used to produce Liposomes.
Then I also looked very casually into some of patented recipes that involve alcohol in the process from companies who claim to create Liposomes and then basically realized, what I started to assume already, that the process itself for producing them is probably far more difficult and maybe involves a number of complex chemical guidelines that also depend on temperature, mixing time etc.
Having had quite a bit personal experience in applying a bit more complex chemistry to produce a desired outcome in the past, I knew that what sounds so simple could be rather difficult in reality. I also tried to use two simple chemical methods, of which I found one on the internet and the other one after talking to friends, to find a way to "easily determine" what I actually produced at home, since I wanted some concrete data, which no one seemed to provide on the net, on what I was actually producing, aka. Liposomes or something else like an emulsion.
The idea most commonly used on the net is Natron and trying to see what chemical reaction the produced product has to it, compared to simple vitamin c, dissolved in water. The other one was using Iodine, since I knew that it dissolves (becomes invisible) when it comes in direct contact with Vitamin C. Tried both and wasn't sure what to make of the results, since I thought, there are probably more variables at play and it isn't that simple. The basic idea floating around the net is that Natron shouldn't react, or much less strongly, when it comes in contact with Lipo-C, compared to normal Vit-C (producing a less bubbly reaction or delayed bubbly reaction) and that this than is supposed to be "proof" that we have Liposomes.
Turned out that this couldn't convince me of anything really in either direction, since again I thought this is a bit oversimplified and missing some concrete data I was yet unaware of. While doing all of that, I also came across the idea of bioavailability and how Vit-C Liposomes seem to be far superior in that regard but again not really knowing what this means and how it applies to it.
Recently I did new batches of "home made Lipo-Vit-C", and made a simply bowl experiment, calculated how much Vit-C should be in what I swallowed and seeing how my body reacts to it, thinking that the body might react far less, bowl movement wise, if it is "Liposomal". So I took a rather large dos is in one go (of about 12 grams of Vit-C dissolved and prepared in this amount of "homemade liposomal Vit-C"), just to see the reaction.
After an hour or so my bowls reacted, but far less serverly as I expected, so my assumption was that indeed, at least some significant amount of that Vit-C must have changes into Liposomes
or something like that. In the end of all of this I came to the conclusion that what you would really need is a electron microscope or a lap that can look at it in this way, otherwise you can't be sure at all.
Fast forward to today, I watched a
three part series in german from a guy who started out doing the Lipo-Vit-C at home as well and in the course of those three videos (and years in between) encountered many of the same questions and confusions I described above, about what is actually produced in those homemade recipes, coming to the same tentative result as I have, that Lipo-C might indeed be something different that can't be produced at home so simply.
In one of those videos a guy linked the following presentation about Lipo-Vit-C from
Thomas E. Levy, MD, JD, which described many of the same problems and finally lit a number of light bulbs about that topic in me, which seems to be in accordance with my observations and others on the net.
Not only is Levy doing a great job in finally explaining clearly what Liposomes actually are and what not, but also how true Liposomal products, which are very specific in their membrane forms and sizes to even be able to do miracles in the body, seem to clearly surpass even Intravenous-Vit-C, for very logical reasons. He also talks about what bio availability really means and that this is also rather complex. He states quite clearly, and I think he is right, that home made "Lipos" are not Lipos, but emulsions of Micells which makes a huge different in what it can and can not do. Lipos vary in size from 100 - 500 nanometers (and can't be produced with those homemade lipos recipes) and Micells are of at least one order in magnitude bigger size around 1000+ Nanometers and have quite another, one layered shell structure, which has its limits to pass through and interact with the body.
Lipos can pass, do to their size and at least doubled layered structure, in which the core has a payload of the material (in this case Vit-C) that needs to be delivered, right through the gut into the blood stream and extra and even intracellular structures. Micells on the other hand, do to their larger size and only one layered structure, without an inner core , can only go to the lymphatic sytem for example, but not really farther than that; aka not anywhere near to cells. What he does say though, which seems to be in accordance with what I have gathered so far, is that homemade "Lipo-C" which should be properly called "Mico-C" in my opinion, is indeed far more effective that normal vitamin C. So I think it is a good idea to use it instead of normal Vitamin C. He also explains why it is comparing apples with oranges when science papers try to determine the effectiveness of Intravenous Vit-C in comparison with Lipo-C, by studying the blood levels. Very interesting!
I highly reccomed watching this in full, since he brings up so many interesting facts and results, also about Intravenous-Vit-C compared to Lipo-C, that I think it is a must watch in that regard. He also mentions his Multi-C-Protocol, which I think is the best we can do for serious cases at the moment and not only that. The most important component is Lipo-C in there. Here is the Protocoll from the video and I think the normal Vit-C for the bowl tolerance barrier could be substituted by homemade Mico-C.
I think this is the best Protocol we have available at this point, that you can use pretty much against anything, including cancers, infections, inflammatory diseases and even mundane stuff etc, VERY EFFECTIVELY, varying the amounts and specifics according to the given need...
The Multi-C Protocol:
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By now I'm also rather convinced that some, if not many, especially the cheap brands, of Lipo-Vit-C providers, actually provide you with Mico-C-Emulsions rather then Lipo-C. If a brand does not clearly state what makes their product Lipo, like Nanometer sizes between 100 and 500, lab results, facilities and Patents that are used, and their stuff is rather cheap on top, it could very well be that it is not Lipo. I guess there are also legal loopholes some of those companies use to promote their products as "Lipo", while in fact what they sell are cheap Emulsions (you can do at home) for huge profits as "Lipos".
On the other hand, I think, a couple of brands have enough credibility and concrete things to back up their claims, to be fairly certain that it is Lipo. Unfortunately they are usually pretty expensive, which is largely do to the high production cost in labs and they usually contain alcohol. I heard somewhere that if you would like to buy some of the ultrasonic equipment they use to produce lyposomes at home, you would need at least 17.000 € or so to buy it and a lot of space for the machine. That was just a radome claim however, so I'm not sure.
At this point, discovering more and more about the truly miraculous improvements Vit-C, most especially in Lipo form, seems to provide for pretty much any circumstance and need, I do wonder though how much money exactly and what methods one could use to at least try to built a working Lipo lap at home.
Maybe there are indeed cheaper solutions out there, that the manufacturers keep under raps, that one could build to produce that stuff? It is certainly worth the effort, if something like that could be possible.
lipocelltech.com
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