I don't think this will stop soon, and wounder what the deeper implications my be down the road.
Do some French people see what's going on? Yellow Vest Protests
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I don't think this will stop soon, and wounder what the deeper implications my be down the road.
I watched PJW's synopsis of the situation yesterday on Youtube:
I'm sure his points are pretty obvious for everyone around here... but worth a watch IMO. What really stood out to me was a pair of their "demands" that he highlighted around the 6:47 mark:
- Those who are denied the right to asylum should be escorted back to their countries of origin,
- Living in France implies becoming French (French language classes, lessons in the history of France and civic education classes with certification at the end)
So reasonable! Obviously they're all racist, fascist maniacs and the whole thing is orchestrated by Putin
I'm sure his points are pretty obvious for everyone around here... but worth a watch IMO. What really stood out to me was a pair of their "demands" that he highlighted around the 6:47 mark:
- Those who are denied the right to asylum should be escorted back to their countries of origin,
- Living in France implies becoming French (French language classes, lessons in the history of France and civic education classes with certification at the end)
So reasonable! Obviously they're all racist, fascist maniacs and the whole thing is orchestrated by Putin
Gwelan (too)
Jedi
Apart from the fact that the French are not happy - which is both recurrent (I did not say genetic) for at least three presidents - and apart from the decisive anger of the moment, it remains that the domain giletsjaunes.com was indeed bought, one week after Macron's election, apparently by an American « trusty », which prevents us from knowing the real owner. This allows for all assumptions, including those that would have no relationship whatsoever with the movement of the same name. (finger in the eye ... 
However, suspicions of social engineering, without being proven, are sufficiently well founded to be examined. This engineering could have been initiate by :
1- the Macron clan itself (in terms of opposition, you are never better served than by yourself),
2 - powers that elected Macron (and that would either no longer want it or would like to put pressure on him),
3 - authentic opponents of Macron (no longer having any other political way to make themselves heard),
4 - opponents of the powers that elected Macron. (and here I am not in the secret of the gods).
I immediately dismiss the fact that it could emanate from "powers" simply wishing France to disappear, since it would be enough to let Macron do his job, who is already doing very well, and if it were a question of giving him a little help, these forces would be assimilated to the Macron clan.
On the other hand, it should not be forgotten that reality is most likely a mix of all this, which makes it even more difficult to discern a true sponsor, its strategy and goals.
However, suspicions of social engineering, without being proven, are sufficiently well founded to be examined. This engineering could have been initiate by :
1- the Macron clan itself (in terms of opposition, you are never better served than by yourself),
2 - powers that elected Macron (and that would either no longer want it or would like to put pressure on him),
3 - authentic opponents of Macron (no longer having any other political way to make themselves heard),
4 - opponents of the powers that elected Macron. (and here I am not in the secret of the gods).
I immediately dismiss the fact that it could emanate from "powers" simply wishing France to disappear, since it would be enough to let Macron do his job, who is already doing very well, and if it were a question of giving him a little help, these forces would be assimilated to the Macron clan.
On the other hand, it should not be forgotten that reality is most likely a mix of all this, which makes it even more difficult to discern a true sponsor, its strategy and goals.
A friend of mine posted this on FB. It's in French. It exposes some of the media biais/manipulation, and explains why so many French are angry, not just against Macron, but against the small minority that rules by his side. They also make a pretty good and simple point: Macron owes his presidency to the division fueled amongst the French population. So now, the multimillionaire media and his team are doing their best to depict this movement as full of division too, thus discrediting it. But the gilets jaunes think otherwise: they have Macron to thank for the "fraternité" he has allowed to manifest among people who, regardless of their political ideology or background, see and feel the same.
I watched that, and I got the impression that PJW was missing the mark slightly by putting too much emphasis on immigration. Those demands were quoted as 'a Gilet Jaune said', and another was someone caught on video speaking in defense of French-ness (which is what you'd expect on any popular movement, from any side of the political spectrum). I'm sure many people in France - like many in Europe - feel that unchecked immigration is part of the problem, but the impression I've got so far (for example, in the video posted by Chu above) is that the real common denominator for the Gilets Jaunes is simply that they cannot make ends meet. It's a very down to earth thing. They complain about having to work 40 hours a week and still not being able to pay the bills, the pensions being tight, the rich paying less taxes than they used to, etc. So the 'eco' tax on fuel is truly the straw that broke the camel's back. And that's why this movement has been, so far, non-ideological - although I expect it to be hijacked by some any time now.
So PJW is kind of using this to support one of his favored points - or he's reading the situation through his own glasses - which is anti-immigration. Much like Trump on the tweet above saying that the French are rejecting the Paris Agreement (on climate change). Sure, many probably think those are part of the problem, but not necessarily everyone, and up to now it feels to me like the bottom line is much simpler: economic pressure on the people.
Thanks for sharing Chu, I'm sure this is a more reliable source than PJW.
I agree with you, immigration is definitely a point of emphasis for him in all of his videos and he is probably over-emphasizing it. That said, immigration is certainly part of the equation and it is a part that the French gov't and MSM is and will focus on to put the movement in a bad light, as this article from Sott: Yellow Vests Rise Against Neo-liberal King Macron -- Sott.net lays out so well. That's what I found interesting... basically that the movement's "demands" are so reasonable and I assume that the social grievances and proposed solutions are similarly reasonable. It really reminds me of the MAGA movement in the USA, they seem to basically just be saying (OSIT) "enough is enough" to the globalist agenda and the "globalist elite" isn't listening.
In any case I am "enjoying the show" as the C's say... although I hope there aren't too many people getting hurt!
I don't think the anger over immigration is as intense in France as it is in the USA and UK, but it is definitely there and is an issue.
As usual, Macaroni, like other globalist liberals is blind to the fact that he keeps shooting himself in the foot. Really amazing the arrogance he was displaying over the past few months, now to be virtually in hiding because he fears losing his head.
As usual, Macaroni, like other globalist liberals is blind to the fact that he keeps shooting himself in the foot. Really amazing the arrogance he was displaying over the past few months, now to be virtually in hiding because he fears losing his head.
On the lighter side!....
Mdrrrr this picture taken on the Champs-Elysées is simply e-standard
#8decembre #GiletsJaunes
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And here's The piano! Live concert on the highway а9#GiletsJaunes
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On the Champs-Elysées, even the rich put on a yellow waistcoat to claim the recovery of the ISF!#8Decembre
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"I took two things from the European Championships: the French flag and my yellow waistcoat." Un gilet jaune sur le podium du Championnat d'Europe de taekwondo … His name is Mamadou Balogun, he is elected Communist, yellow waistcoat in Montargis and now European champion of Taekwendo.
Mdrrrr this picture taken on the Champs-Elysées is simply e-standard
Translated from Russian by Microsoft
And here's The piano! Live concert on the highway а9
Translated from French by Microsoft
On the Champs-Elysées, even the rich put on a yellow waistcoat to claim the recovery of the ISF!
Translated from French by Microsoft
"I took two things from the European Championships: the French flag and my yellow waistcoat." Un gilet jaune sur le podium du Championnat d'Europe de taekwondo … His name is Mamadou Balogun, he is elected Communist, yellow waistcoat in Montargis and now European champion of Taekwendo.
Hi_Henry
The Living Force
On the lighter side!....
Yes, it is a shame that this can not be controlled as making fun of the system is better than throwing bricks.
Hi_Henry
The Living Force
Yes, stay safe!
It may be more about Globalism. The climate tax is part of that NWO plan. Here's a photo sent to me by a conservative with a YellowVest holding a sign protesting Rothschild. Thought it was interesting.
https://imgoat.com/uploads/7e6c85504c/172238.jpgJPG
Hi_Henry
The Living Force
People may not frame it that way but that is what it is. When their electric bills start to rise without control money starts to be tight. Gore and Friends might be laughing but not the families who are trying to make ends meet. Eastern Europe with old power generation technology is getting whacked pretty hard with this thieving CO2 tax in their electric bills. Any Mafia would love such a business model.
Adaryn
The Living Force
WK said:
Absolutely. Immigration is certainly an issue***, but people's main concern is very basic (I'm not using this word in a derogative way) - normal people just wanting to live a normal life, and seeing that Micron and his governement are simply ignoring their demands and their suffering.
In a recent video, Eric Zemmour predicts Micron's downfall. Summing up, he says that M's quinquennat is over… there's already an attempt to shift the blame from Macron to Prime minister Edouard Philippe, but it's too late. Everyone is focused on 1 person only, and that person is Micron - everybody agrees on this, even those people/groups who traditionally hate each other or usually never mix: the black blocs/far left, the banlieues, the regular YVs, the 'far right', etc. Everybody's pointing to Macron as the scapegoat and want him gone.
Which reminds me of this:
"The Chinese believed that an emperor could reign only while he enjoyed the ‘Mandate of Heaven’, that is, while he ‘looked after his people’; if for any reason he failed to look after their well-being, Heaven would withdraw its Mandate and the emperor and probably his ruling dynasty would be deposed. Heaven would have been seen to withdraw its ‘Mandate’ when all manner of ‘unnatural’ events began to take place that threatened the well-being and sense of security of the population. If the sky darkened, for example, and the crops failed and famine ensued bringing death to large numbers of people, the emperor, guilty or not, got the blame for failing his people.
Whether or not the ‘mandate of heaven’ has basis in reality, history shows that the human experience is broadly defined by a succession of more or less corrupt ruling elites and that those elites reached the peak of their corruption at the times of destruction of the great human ‘civilizations’. In addition, there is a wealth of evidence, most of it not in standard history text books, that shows that these human ‘colony collapses’ were caused by major geologic and cosmic upheavals, and were preceded by the kind of environmental, social and political chaos, ignorance, lies and greed that reign on our planet today. For those who had knowledge of this cyclical nature of human civilizations and were watching the events unfold, it may have seemed that the collapse occurred progressively. But for the majority, who submitted or succumbed to the official exhortations or subtle temptation to ignore or shut out the reality of the world around them, it came as a “thief in night”."
***About the very concerning Marrakech treaty on migration:
François Asselineau and the UPR solemnly ask Mr. Macron not to sign the UN Marrakech Pact on December 11, 2018 and to submit it to the French people by referendum.
5 December 2018
In a short video that became viral after only a few hours of broadcasting, François Asselineau analyzed the precise provisions of the UN Marrakech Pact, which claims to organize "safe, orderly and regular migration" at the global level. This text presents highly questionable assumptions, in particular the allegedly necessary and beneficial character for all of us to continuously organize "orderly and regular migrations" from one end of the planet to the other.
The invocation of "globalization" as an attempt to justify such a postulate reveals the ideological and geopolitical nature of such a text, the allegedly "optional" nature of which shouldn't deceive anyone. It is a question of anchoring in people's minds, and forcing governments to adopt, the principle of the abolition of state borders, sovereignty and national identities.
It is also about revaluing human beings to the rank of eternal nomads and making them new slaves of the 21st century, serving as simple adjustment variables to maximize the profit of shareholders of transnational corporations. In their cynical principle, these "orderly and regular migrations" strikingly evoke an embellished and watered-down version of the 17th century slave trade, which was already odiously "orderly and regular".
François Asselineau also points out that many countries have refused to sign this pact. Both within the European Union (Austria, Belgium, Bulgaria, Czech Republic, Hungary, Italy, Poland, Poland, Slovakia...) - which proves that Mr Macron cannot hide behind any "common European value" to sign this document - and outside the EU (Australia, United States, Israel). Switzerland also reserves its position.
Consequently, François Asselineau and the Union populaire républicaine (UPR) solemnly request Mr. Macron not to sign the UN Marrakech Pact on December 11.
On the other hand, they ask him to submit it to the decision of the French people by referendum, in accordance with the principle of the Republic set out in Article 2 of the Constitution, which is "government of the people, by the people and for the people".
Article 3 of our Constitution states that "no individual can claim the exercise" of national sovereignty, and Mr. Macron has no legitimacy to decide alone on such a strategic choice for the future of France, while all polls show that an overwhelming majority of French people do not agree with such a choice.