Donald Trump wins 2016 US presidential election

... actually, just bumped into this on Twitter. It seems to echo what I was just saying about "the liberal dilemma"...


https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/nov/09/donald-trump-white-house-hillary-clinton-liberals?utm_content=buffer91c93&utm_medium=social&utm_source=app.net&utm_campaign=buffer
 
A thought that has been on my mind the past few days: "Is it possible for a narcissist to do objective good?"

In a sense, that had happened before E-day - a measure of transparency regarding USA politics/political figures.

That being said, following the line of thought of a narcissist doing good - I doubt that Trump EVER experienced adulation the likes of which he received by his base of support at rallies on the trail (ie before, during his reality TV days, interviews, etc). I imagine it is like a very powerful - AND addictive - drug. He has made some big promises. I suspect he knows in a visceral sense that if he doesn't at least try to make good on his promises his 'drug' supply will dry up fast. People are at least marginally awake to DC trickery now.

This very well may be wishful thinking on my part. But I can say that the vibe in the air has a qualitatively different feel to it - I liken it to 'excitement at the unknown'....I can't wait to see what will happen! (Good or bad)

Kris
 
Heather said:
... actually, just bumped into this on Twitter. It seems to echo what I was just saying about "the liberal dilemma"...

Yes, that was a good piece. I completely misread what you wrote above at first and thought it said "the liberal dementia". Which might not be too far from the point, reinforcing the thought that believing in lies is bad for the brain.

There seems to be a lot of people out there now faced with the problem that they can't see why Killary was rejected, because to do so would meaning facing the truth that they were lied to and manipulated on a massive scale. That they invested themselves in a corrupt liar whose interests were in serving the elite establishment, not the people. They can't go there, so much easier to go off into OMG! hysteria than to do that.

I agree with the piece, either Sanders or Biden would have had a better chance of beating Trump than Clinton. But then the Clinton camp, DNC and biased media in their pockets MADE Trump the visible player he became, they thought they could use him as a path to victory. They were wrong. Maybe this is part of the huge miscalculation mentioned by the Cs as others have mentioned.

Have to wonder too what will happen within the US, if post Brexit Britain was anything to go by it did give the green light for some appalling characters to come out of the woodwork and act out publicly in ways that days before were unheard of. I'm glad that Killary didn't win and the world at large is safer, domestically it's going to be unpredictable to say the least.
 
Alada said:
Heather said:
... actually, just bumped into this on Twitter. It seems to echo what I was just saying about "the liberal dilemma"...

Yes, that was a good piece. I completely misread what you wrote above at first and thought it said "the liberal dementia". Which might not be too far from the point, reinforcing the thought that believing in lies is bad for the brain.

Yes, "the liberal dimentia" could probably work just as well (!)

RflctnOfU said:
A thought that has been on my mind the past few days: "Is it possible for a narcissist to do objective good?"

In a sense, that had happened before E-day - a measure of transparency regarding USA politics/political figures.

That being said, following the line of thought of a narcissist doing good - I doubt that Trump EVER experienced adulation the likes of which he received by his base of support at rallies on the trail (ie before, during his reality TV days, interviews, etc). I imagine it is like a very powerful - AND addictive - drug. He has made some big promises. I suspect he knows in a visceral sense that if he doesn't at least try to make good on his promises his 'drug' supply will dry up fast. People are at least marginally awake to DC trickery now.

This very well may be wishful thinking on my part. But I can say that the vibe in the air has a qualitatively different feel to it - I liken it to 'excitement at the unknown'....I can't wait to see what will happen! (Good or bad)

Kris

It's true Trump does not want to let his supporters down -- namely, from a narcissistic standpoint. On the other hand, he's said a lot of different things during his campaign. At the first debate it sounded as if the first thing on his list of things to do was to install a police state. At the time police violence against blacks (and vice versa in Dallas) was erupting in the media, which seemed to be setting the stage for this to happen.

.. but is that what his supporters want? An absolute curtailing of their daily freedoms?

.. and with Guiliani right at his side.. well

.. it's frightening to contemplate.

People are no doubt selectively seeing what they want to see in Trump.

.. still, it's true, Trump the narcissist does not want to let these people down. It's an emotional/psychological imperative, in that sense.

So, we'll just have to see what Trump does on that basis.
 
Mr.Cyan said:
Laura said:
13 Twirling Triskeles said:
<SNIP>
But for the moment, it feels good to feel this relief from the pressure of what a clinton win would have been. Still. Waiting. For. The. Other. Shoe. To. Drop.

Well, you can sure say all of that again and I'll echo it!


Iron said:
Although I'm relieved that warmonger killary lost, not sure if I follow the excitement of Trump in presindency. The guy is a narcisistic spelbinder. There is no guarantee at all that he will follow up on the soft tone. As far as I know, with his huge ego he may end up being just as bad for the planet.
Am I missing something?

No, don't think so. Change MAY be good. Or it may get worse. We only know that the status quo was intolerable. And, as has been pointed out, everybody KNOWS for sure that Killary was Death by Evil so voting for Trump was - in the minds of many - voting for the diet coke of evil. So, in their consciousnesses, the people rejected what Killary and her oligarchy represented. I would say that this was a resounding rejection of 4D STS plans even if they now go into overdrive to manipulate.
I had a dream last night - that my wife and I were in a city in a post apocalyptic like scenario - where law and order broke down; and we were wondering with a group of people seeking shelter from the chaos. I woke up this morning - and also felt like a major timeline had shifted; and when I checked the news on The trump victory - the only thing I could think of was that "the C's were right again ".

I really think too that this is definitely a resounding rejection of 4D STS plans. And I wonder if all this is somehow connected to Putin's intervention in Syria. The universe has shifted...and its been not a great time for the "Controller's" since then....

Well, now we truly live in interesting times...
Not only the C's. Incidentally, clif high has stated for a while that the data was suggesting a 'landslide victory for Trump', followed by 'confusion' and economy going wonky (paraphrase). Check, check, and check. During the RT broadcast just before the official tally, when trump had 266 electoral votes, there was a sense of confusion and a mention that the markets were tanking.

Kris
 
Alada said:
Heather said:
... actually, just bumped into this on Twitter. It seems to echo what I was just saying about "the liberal dilemma"...

I agree with the piece, either Sanders or Biden would have had a better chance of beating Trump than Clinton.

As regards the Guardian piece I linked to, I just wanted to note that I don't think Biden and Sanders are at all comparable, and so I'm not in agreement on that point. It's Sanders who would have made this an interesting race from a more populist standpoint.

RflctnOfU said:
… Incidentally, clif high has stated for a while that the data was suggesting a 'landslide victory for Trump', followed by 'confusion' and economy going wonky (paraphrase). Check, check, and check. During the RT broadcast just before the official tally, when trump had 266 electoral votes, there was a sense of confusion and a mention that the markets were tanking.

Kris

Also, last night (yeah, at 3 or so in the morning) I thought Trump seemed not just tired but overwhelmed by his win. It seemed he was prepared to question the results if he lost, but since he won he was almost speechless. Not that he didn't muddle through. He's quite the talker, after all, no matter what the conditions happen to be.

.. he was obviously coached as to how to make the appropriate, conciliatory winner's speech, and based on that my first reaction was that he probably won't go after Hillary. So, already, he's being groomed for office.

.. we can only imagine what has descended upon him since this astounding upset (!) [from Hillary's perspective, that is] And what outside forces are now in play.
 
Heather said:
Alada said:
Heather said:
... actually, just bumped into this on Twitter. It seems to echo what I was just saying about "the liberal dilemma"...

I agree with the piece, either Sanders or Biden would have had a better chance of beating Trump than Clinton.

As regards the Guardian piece I linked to, I just wanted to note that I don't think Biden and Sanders are at all comparable, and so I'm not in agreement on that point. It's Sanders who would have made this an interesting race from a more populist standpoint.

RflctnOfU said:
… Incidentally, clif high has stated for a while that the data was suggesting a 'landslide victory for Trump', followed by 'confusion' and economy going wonky (paraphrase). Check, check, and check. During the RT broadcast just before the official tally, when trump had 266 electoral votes, there was a sense of confusion and a mention that the markets were tanking.

Kris

Also, last night (yeah, at 3 or so in the morning) I thought Trump seemed not just tired but overwhelmed by his win. It seemed he was prepared to question the results if he lost, but since he won he was almost speechless. Not that he didn't muddle through. He's quite the talker, after all, no matter what the conditions happen to be.

.. he was obviously coached as to how to make the appropriate, conciliatory winner's speech, and based on that my first reaction was that he probably won't go after Hillary. So, already, he's being groomed for office.

.. we can only imagine what has descended upon him since this astounding upset (!) [from Hillary's perspective, that is] And what outside forces are now in play.

Regarding the bolded above, he started using teleprompters during the west palm beach (I think), fl rally when he laid out bullet points of the corruption in the system. He was also using teleprompters during his victory speech (you can see them at the edge of the screen). I think this aspect was part of (highly likely) being coached.

Kris
 
Aeneas said:
Is this an omen?

https://sputniknews.com/art_living/201611081047201776-portugal-statue-damage/
Angel Crashes to Earth as Brazilian Tourist Guns for Ultimate Instagram Post
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A Brazilian tourist was trying to so hard snap a beautiful picture that he knocked down the centuries-old sculpture of the Archangel Michael in the National Museum of Ancient Art in Lisbon, Portugal.

>Snip<

Here is a an image before the incident of the statue of Archangel Michael:

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I don't think 'omen' is he right word, but this is interesting nonetheless. From Wikipedia on Archangel Michael:
Esoteric traditions

The French occultist, Eliphas Levi, the German philosopher Franz von Baader, and the Theosophist Louis Claude de St. Martin spoke of 1879 as the year in which Michael overcame the dragon. In 1917, Rudolf Steiner, the founder of anthroposophy, similarly stated, "in 1879, in November, a momentous event took place, a battle of the Powers of Darkness against the Powers of Light, ending in the image of Michael overcoming the Dragon".
According to the above article, this accident occurred on Sunday Nov 6, the same day that Comey announced that there was no reason to file any charges against Killary? (a surge of 4D STS energy injected for HRC)?
Also mentioned in the article ( Nov 9) that the head gear and the wings sustained the most damage but are now in restoration to be re-exhibited soon. No charges against the Brazilian tourist.
 
And so the next part of the show begins.

Trump invites Netanyahu to Meet at Earliest Opportunity: _http://www.jpost.com/Israel-News/Trump-invites-Netanyahu-to-meet-him-in-the-US-472173

I found the positive Trump comments by the readers chilling. Perhaps every conservative POTUS-to-be is greeted thusly? Obama was not considered a friend of Israel to many of the commenters. Only read a few posts as they made me sick knowing what I know about the Palestinian's plight and how the Israeli government spies on, then blackmails nations to fight their bogus genocidal religious wars.
 
I like Putin's simple description of our recent American electoral process - "elite family clans taking turns occupying the White House." Basically, that's what we have been dealing with - like it's their personal playground, while we pick up the tab. Also, it looks like FBI Director James Comey might be replaced?

Russia is hoping for a “new understanding” and “restored Russian-American relations” according to Kremlin sources, with President Putin said to be “encouraged” by the American people voting to back themselves and reject the prospect of a New World Order totalitarian world government.

Putin: Trump Win Is A Massive Defeat For New World Order
_http://investmentwatchblog.com/putin-trump-win-is-a-massive-defeat-for-new-world-order/

According to sources, Putin believes that the result of the U.S. election proves the globalists’ destructive agenda is deeply unpopular with real people, and when given a chance they will instinctively reject it out of hand.

“The American people stood up against the media, the banks, the establishment, everything was against them, but they said enough. They want change.”

Putin vowed to destroy the New World Order in 2016, and it appears people all over the world have started to wake up and resonate with his goal. The President is “deeply encouraged” that his determination to destroy the invasive organization’s agenda is shared by people all over the world, and gaining momentum all the time.

This election result represents the biggest uprising by the American people against the elite who run the country since the Boston Tea Party in 1771, and the New World Order controlled puppets in Washington are reeling. All of the elite – politicians, bankers, economists, celebrities – told the people to vote for the NWO selected candidate, Hillary Clinton. But the people are waking up. The people said no.

The Rothschild NWO cabal will be pacing nervously in their mansions, wondering how to deal with this massive, unexpected blow to their globalist agenda. Their roadmap to arriving at a one world government – so close, yet so far away – has been thrown off course by this uprising of the people.

In an annual press conference with his countrymen last April, Putin expressed skepticism about the American electoral process, which he believes is corrupt – elite family clans taking turns occupying the White House. He also hinted at how he personally saw Hillary Clinton.

“First there was Bush senior in power, then Bush junior. [Bill] Clinton was[U.S. President] two times in a row, now his wife has ambitions. Again, the family might stay in power. As they say in Russia, a husband and a wife are the same Satan.”

Neither side of the political establishment wanted Trump anywhere near the White House. The mainstream media were vilifying him. In short, the sock puppets of the New World Order were united against him. They have a lot to lose if somebody who isn’t playing by their rules takes control – and their nightmare has come true.

Do not be surprised if the mainstream media attempt to convince you of something deeply disturbing in the near future. Never in history has the NWO had such a firm grip on mainstream media operations.

The New World Order controlled elites in Washington did not expect this blow and they will be a scrambling to take back control.

Triggered by a massive popular uprising, stoked by wholly rational fears, and fired up by hard facts, America has regained its status as a powerful, sovereign nation. The people chose to make the United States powerful again, to take control of their economy, and make themselves respected in the eyes of the world. They have taken the bull by the horns and backed themselves as American. They have voted for advance over stagnation. It is the answer for our times.


President Barack Obama is planning to fire FBI Director James Comey after Tuesday’s presidential election, according to a report in The Daily Mail by an author who has covered the Clintons since 2005.

Obama Expected To Fire FBI Director Once The Election Is Over
_http://www.westernjournalism.com/obama-expected-to-fire-fbi-director-once-the-election-is-over/

Writer Ed Klein, who recently published Guilty as Sin about Bill and Hillary Clinton, wrote Monday that Obama has given in to demands from senior adviser Valerie Jarrett that Comey, who was appointed by Obama, must go.

Reports say Jarrett has been pushing Obama to fire Comey as of last week.

In the Daily Mail on Monday, Klein said Jarrett reminded Obama that Comey’s conduct during the investigation into Clinton’s use of a private email server has alienated member of both parties, making a move against Comey easier.

Klein said that the plan to fire Comey is in the works, but it is not clear who will actually do the deed or when it will take place.

However, there is also another rumored scenario in which Comey leaves before the ax falls due to internal unrest in the FBI that would only be quelled by Comey stepping down.

“I met with friends from the FBI and Justice and they were all in agreement that Comey’s jerky decisions—opening the case against Hillary without definite cause, then closing it without consulting with his top deputies—was flabbergasting and deeply disturbing for career law enforcement and prosecutors,” Klein quoted an unnamed retired Justice Department official as saying.
 
CNN is at it again:

BREAKING NEWS: ANTI-TRUMP PROTESTS IN AT LEAST SEVEN CITIES.

CNN, if you recall, had the Pentagon installed in their news room THE MORNING of 9/11. CNN, if you recall, has in the past attempted to drum up anti-Palestinian sentiment by photographing homemade bomb attacks (that may have been synthetically orchestrated) in an attempt to have them look like major threats to all of Israel.

So, the latest is to have Hillary (& Obama) give an emotional, elevated concession speech today followed by a media operation meant to disrupt any orderly transition of power. As is typical of CNN, they exaggerate the extent of this [alleged] protest by Muslims, gays and others targeted and or simply dismayed by Trump's hate speech. As is typical of CNN (and other news groups) the same shots are shown over and over again, keeping the frame close enough to suggest a greater number in attendance than is actually the case. There are perhaps hundreds out on the streets -- or there were some hours ago -- not thousands as was claimed. And for all we know these are young people (mostly) (from what I saw) who may have been recruited and paid to attend this several city media event. Let's not forget how the PTB just love orchestrated (in this case "soft") terror events.

I just went to Youtube and these protests are also taking place in colleges such as UCLA, UC Irvine and Oakland.

.. interesting though (to return to CNN and other news organizations) that when real protests take place -- against the Iraq War, for example -- such protests get largely suppressed.

So, this may be the first tactic of Hillary & Co. in response to Trump's victory. CNN is also replaying all of Trump's promises to deport illegal aliens, to start building the wall, etc., while at the same time it is praising all the conciliatory speeches (Trump's included) featuring our all coming together as a nation, etc.

Trump, last night, did mention his secret service detail, noting what serious business these people are. In his bringing up the subject I couldn't help but think of his being very much a target at this point -- maybe by an angry Muslim, for example?.. after days and days of (possibly violent) protest?

Trump, of course, did provide plenty of hate speech, and in that sense he fed right into what's happening now. Of course, a percentage of those protesting are likely "real." But there would seem to be something else at work here. Certainly the duplicity seems just about right for Hillary & Co.
 
Is it possible that the PTB just underestimated the degree of control they had over the election? Were they just over confident and missed judged that they could be screwed by some of their own people? Maybe there actually was some kind of coup behind the scenes. Its speculation of course, its just that Trump winning didn't seem to fit the neo con pattern and direction.
 
alkhemst said:
Is it possible that the PTB just underestimated the degree of control they had over the election? Were they just over confident and missed judged that they could be screwed by some of their own people? Maybe there actually was some kind of coup behind the scenes. Its speculation of course, its just that Trump winning didn't seem to fit the neo con pattern and direction.

The PTB is a useful shorthand, but there are factions at the top. The Neocons (as was posted here a while back) started to back Trump -- as in a lot of figures from the George W. Bush Administration, including Rumsfeld and Ashcroft -- while the old guard at the CIA headed by George Bush Senior is allied with the Clintons and Obama. I've read about this particular split a long time ago as per Webster Tarpley's Synthetic Terror as well as a very well documented radio show (now off the air). I keep meaning to write more about this divide, since it seems to hold water year after year. These factions have similar goals but differing approaches, and the internal attacks can be brutal.

As to my CNN post, I just went to Twitter and the anti-Trump protests are now trending.
 
Below is Fifth Avenue, NYC, this evening.

Is this thousands? Maybe so.

.. I suppose, given Facebook and other social media, anything is possible. Still, it's surprising how organized this is when EVERYONE assumed Hillary would win.
 

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Laura said:
Truly epic to see them all eating crow! There should be a compilation of "Best Of" the wailing and realizations that the whole house of cards is starting to fall!

And, if the pundits were acting like that, imagine what Killary was doing? Oh, be still my heart!

Wonder if her famous vengeance tendencies will emerge and she'll go after and expose the PTB because they didn't manage to get her elected after promising her the moon? THAT would be epic!

It's from InfoWars, and it has some bad language from the Killary supporters, but it's a start:


Wow... As Navid Nasr wrote on his FB page:

Who knew that so many people's mental health and well-being was directly tied into a Hillary victory in the elections yesterday? I've never received so many emails and invites that deal with "healing," and "coming together" and "spaces" and "safeness" and etc.

Of all the people in the world....

I'm not going to go so far as to say that you people sicken me, but... do any of you have any familiarity with Hillary and her husband at all? I mean, **at all**?

It's not as if they're an unknown commodity. They have a political history going back decades now, most of which is well-documented. You can start by Googling "clintons dixie mafia" and then work your way up to the present, if you're interested or if you have the time.

Save your tears for worthier recipients. And toughen up your psyches a little bit... because if her losing an election serves as a catalyst for you falling to pieces I don't know how you'll be able to survive what's coming in the next several decades.
 
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