Donald Trump wins 2016 US presidential election

Today on Serbian TVs, Slovenian town of Sevnice, where Melania Trump was born had their celebration :) (videos on the pages)

http://www.b92.net/info/vesti/index.php?yyyy=2016&mm=11&dd=09&nav_category=167&nav_id=1197635

http://www.blic.rs/vesti/svet/slovenija-na-nogama-slavlje-zbog-trampove-pobede-melanijina-drugarica-ocekuje-dolazak/5d7y3bj
 
Scottie said:
I think we have to keep a few things in mind here.

First, if we respond with pure doom and gloom, that's probably an overreaction. At the same time, if we respond with, "Oh my god, it's so great! Everything's fixed now!" then that's also an overreaction.

But if we look at the bigger picture, I also very strongly feel that had Killary been elected, it would have been WWIII and the US and the rest of the world would have suffered much more.

Okay, with Trump, maybe Americans will suffer more, maybe not. But even that's not so simple.

If you have the choice between WWIII and getting nuked later on, vs. putting up with some crazy policies and economic hardship, which would you pick? Also, I'm fairly certain that the rest of the world (when they're done freaking out) is going to get the idea that they, too, can and should shake things up when their elections come around (I'm thinking of France and other EU countries here, primarily). Right now, EU media is crapping their pants because EU leaders are crapping their pants. But the people? The little wheels in their heads are turning...

Plus, let's say there's an economic meltdown. Guess what? The whole rest of the world is entangled in that mess together, so no one escapes unscathed.

Yes, it really feels like a "timeline shift" or some other such significant marker or event. To me, it seems like a pretty epic shift. But that doesn't mean it's all over. We still have to stay on our toes, keep some irons in the fire, and carry on as usual.

Even if some bad stuff is still coming down the bend, maybe - just maybe - this Trump victory will mean that, as a statement to the universe, America is fed up. And just maybe, that will mitigate things so that even though everything won't be all peaches and cream and candy corn, it will be far less "bad" than it could have been. But I think that also depends on what each of us continues to Do, starting NOW.

The point is, the future is ALWAYS open. Even the C's once said that the USA is past the point of no return. Well, fine. So what? We don't know what that means. It might mean the country eventually becomes a smoldering pile of rubble, or it might mean that things change politically, socially, whatever, to the point that people from today wouldn't recognize the future US. The same is true for all the so-called Western world. I would gladly put up with some "discomfort" if it meant real change could be effected everywhere.

And what might happen might just depend on what YOU do. And me, and all of us.

In other words, don't be like the sentry who fell asleep, blade piercing his hear, etc. and so on and so forth. We all need to keep a cool head, keep our eyes open, and carry on. That's what we do!

Thank you Scottie for your comment, totally agree with you, you are right, everyone must keep doing something, especially NOW, even doing small steps, small accomplishments, by tacking together all these small steps, small deeds, could bring radical changes.
 
If it is true that in politics nothing happens by chance therefore it could probably be said that Thump's victory was carefully planned an exercised by PTB... So i am wondering that that Big Miscalculation C's once mentioned would be the very installing of Trump as POTUS, not 'faked" support to Hillary. To me it seems that MMS were convinced in her victory due to, let's say, some insiders' assurances, not knowing that they've being played all the time. After all they've been faithful dogs to there masters for sooo looong ... Maybe it is time to put those moulted ol' mutts to sleep... :huh:
 
I agree with others here – even if Trump is still an "unknown unknown", it is entertaining to see all the authoritarian-follower-people acting like it's the end of the world. At work and e.g. on FB people I know are almost crying over the fact that Hillary didn't win. These people have no idea what's going on in the world, and I'm not going to engage in any discussions with them, because that would be useless and a waste of energy. Fun to "watch the show", though. ;)

You know, observing how these authoritarian follower types react to certain things is quite interesting and revealing. These people are reacting in the exact same way to certain topics. Obama is the worlds coolest guy, Hillary is great and defender of women's rights, vaccines and big pharma are okay (vaccines should be forced on everyone), food and diet has nothing to do with your health, fat is evil, paleo/low-carb is nonsense, Putin and Russia are evil etc. For instance, once you notice that someone is totally pro-vaccines and says nasty things to anyone questioning that, you can be sure that this same person thinks Putin/Russia is evil.
 
I wonder if there was less vote rigging?

If the PTB got to the point where they knew they couldn't use Killary anymore, and just let the people choose legitimately.

It then shows how America is still a Democracy and the people really do have a voice.
 
Aiming said:
She'll probably disintegrate even faster now that her big plan vanished into nothingness (at least in this timeline). I don't quite see that Trump will really go after her crimes, though what a world it would be if he had Putin advise him on how to cleanse the rotten core of the US-gvt. Well, at least it does look like the people of the US voted against the blatant psychopathic evil, that is something at least. As for what is unfolding down the road, we'll see.

Yep, that crossed my mind too. What happens when you no longer have all this energy to feed on? When everyone now will take their money/energy someplace else? It seems to me that she and Bill and their close associates actually relied on winning the election to keep the ever increasing need for energy flow just to keep on going.
 
T.C. said:
I wonder if there was less vote rigging?

If the PTB got to the point where they knew they couldn't use Killary anymore, and just let the people choose legitimately.

It then shows how America is still a Democracy and the people really do have a voice.

Or it could be Trump did far better at the poles than we even know.
 
It was a blast seeing the looks on the reporters faces last night! :lol2: I thought one lady was going to throw her mike and walk off camera at one point, and the holding back of tears by many was really something else to see.

There is a rally in downtown Austin today started by UT students against Trump.
_http://kxan.com/2016/11/09/ut-students-march-on-the-capitol-protesting-president-elect-trump/
 
Another comment... And please excuse me that I am repeating some of the sentiments and observations already recorded in this thread...

I was just having an e-mail conversation with an old friend in the States, and then looking at Facebook comments form State-side folks, and I was struck by the uniformity of their comments along the lines of, "I can't believe the US voted for sexism, racism and homophobia."

I am not entirely unsympathetic to their views. I want any 2 people who want to get married to get married, and I don't want the State involving itself in explaining what the appropriate expressions of love between 2 people should be. Uh... Assuming consent exists... Uh... Okay Let's not get involved in that discussion right now.

The point is that the ignorance of the so-called left about how much distrust of the current system played into this election is a bit distressing if not surprising. That they close their eyes to Sanders getting played during the Democratic primary and then insist on laying the number of Trump votes completely at the feet of xenophobia is sad. Anybody who bothered to ask why Sanders and Trump should at the same time be getting so much support, and effectively showing that way over half the voting population was supporting an "anti-establishment" candidate, was not surprised that Trump could win.

Chewing on all this, I suddenly remembered the story of Henry Wallace and the Democratic primary shenanigans he faced that got him removed from the FDR's ticket during his last term. For anyone not having heard of this guy, he was progressive in terms of racial equality and thought science was cool. He was this sort of clean-living, goofy looking dork who was just genuinely interested in things like how plants grow. He got booted out of the Vice President role during FDR's last term only to replaced by... Drum roll... Truman!!!

I am not saying that Sanders is in Wallace's league, but still... How ordinary, everyday Democrats are able to normalize these developments is just... Uh... Well... Pretty normal, I guess.

It kind of makes me want to say impolite words to Democrats.
 
[quote author= Aragorn]You know, observing how these authoritarian follower types react to certain things is quite interesting and revealing. These people are reacting in the exact same way to certain topics. Obama is the worlds coolest guy, Hillary is great and defender of women's rights, vaccines and big pharma are okay (vaccines should be forced on everyone), food and diet has nothing to do with your health, fat is evil, paleo/low-carb is nonsense, Putin and Russia are evil etc. For instance, once you notice that someone is totally pro-vaccines and says nasty things to anyone questioning that, you can be sure that this same person thinks Putin/Russia is evil. [/quote]

Yeah, people who are pro vaccine are definitely pro anything establishment. And they say a lot of nasty things to get their point across. But they sure can't handle it very well when giving the same treatment.

I once had a med-student mocking me while telling how wonderful big pharma and vaccines are.

I told him that he sounds like a zealous pope defending his religion and his pedophile priests.

He didn't took that very well and became a bit aggressive. Point is, treat them the same and they get in meltdown mode real quick.

Though, nothing good can come out of it. Like you said, it's all a waste of time.
 
Checking the polls last night before I turned in I had the feeling myself that Trump would pull it off. I agree that it will be most interesting to see what will happen from here now. I haven't really run into anyone shocked by what happened but maybe that's cause most of Pennsylvania was for him anyway. I was kinda taken back by my mother this morning though. She was totally overjoyed with Trump winning and thinks it was the hand of God intervening in the election. :rolleyes: I should've known better but the fact that Pence is against abortion means the church was behind him the whole time. Another example of how easily people are swayed.
 
Interestingly enough, Trump is not likely to win the popular vote after all.

_https://www.google.com/#q=2016+popular+vote+count&eob=enn/p//0/1///////////
 
Patience said:
I was just having an e-mail conversation with an old friend in the States, and then looking at Facebook comments form State-side folks, and I was struck by the uniformity of their comments along the lines of, "I can't believe the US voted for sexism, racism and homophobia."

This view would seem to be an easy way out for liberals, progressives, etc. It is one dimensional and lacks any kind of deeper analysis. What's that line about feeding the population first? In other words, if you can no longer afford your bills and are being kicked out of your home, etc., then other issues -- important issues to be sure -- are going to recede in significance, and even feed resentment and anger.

In line with this, gender and racial politics is being insidiously used by the PTB in a way that's calculated to distract the population from the endless war agenda, Wall Street's complicity in that, the incompetence and corruption of the Federal Reserve, the selling off and privatizing of public institutions.. (and on and on).. this while the citizenry is being squeezed for basic needs such as healthcare, social security, affordable housing and stable food prices, etc.

.. is it any wonder, then, that eventually the imbalance and blindness inscribed in the view quoted above is going to ignite the sort of reaction we are seeing in this election?
 
From Denmark:
Today I was at a school and heard from the students that some of their pupils at the training school had come to class with predictions of WW3 now that Trump had won. The kids must have gotten that from their parents. Later, a teacher entered our meeting room, just to leave her overcoat, she was emotionally beside herself and could not help interrupt our discussing with a rant about being in shock and expecting WW3. The local medias have been very pro Clinton througout the process, CNN level, so no surprise. Many women, I suspect, are completely lured into believing a woman in the White House is by default a good thing. Not that it couldn't, but Killary?

In a left liberal newspaper, Information, they published a statement by a university lecturer saying that: "Trump has so little understanding of international politics that it can become very serious for the NATO alliance and the international economy, says lecturer Mette Nøhr Claushøj" _https://www.information.dk/udland/2016/11/trump-lever-egne-loefter-paradigmeskift-international-politik To this I add: As if the NATO alliance was something precious to maintain.

Another mainstream liberal conservative paper, Jyllands-Posten reports: "Think tank: The election of Trump is a possible catastrophe. In the worst case scenario, the West, as we know it today, is finished, according to the opinion of two experts." _http://jyllands-posten.dk/politik/ECE9138874/taenketanke-valget-af-trump-er-en-mulig-katastrofe/

The same paper has in fact several perspectives from around the world, including this "Wall or no wall, we still need to see the difference between the candidate Trump and the president Trump."
http://jyllands-posten.dk/international/usa/ECE9137000/mur-eller-ikke-mur-vi-mangler-at-se-forskellen-paa-kandidaten-trump-og-praesidenten-trump/

In another paper, Berlingske, more hardline neo-liberal they write: "Will Trump send more money to the defence: "We have an ultimative demand" With Donald Trump as American president will probably follow a demand that Denmark needs to contribute more to the NATO-cooperation. K and DF (Two liberal right/right wing parties) demand more money." http://www.b.dk/politiko/vil-trump-sende-flere-penge-til-forsvaret-vi-har-et-ultimativt-krav In other words, these two parties have already started to demand more money for defense. One can look at this in two ways, at least: Spending much more will force the government to make cuts elsewhere, as a result some people may get more interested in what NATO is doing. This might increase tension in society. Also it will hasten the economic destruction of society, since money will flow out of the country at a faster pace facilitating a quicker collapse. And with a collapse there will be no more foreign interventions in places like Syria.

Finally there was this news from Jyllands-Posten that Donald Trump's son, Donald Trump Jr is married to a woman, Vanessa Trump, daughter of Bonnie Maria Kay Evans, daughter of Kai Peter Anthon Ewans born in 1906 in Hørsholm north of Copenhagen. In other words the grandfather of Trump's daughter in law was Danish http://jyllands-posten.dk/international/usa/ECE9139052/donald-trump-har-dansk-forbindelse-i-familien/.

What will happen to the Trump presidency? Anders Fogh Rasmussen, former Danish PM and NATO Gen sec. presently the advisor to the Ucrainian government, is probably a reasonable bid for what some forces in the US State Department would like Trump to do within the first 100 days. From his FB with (147000+ likes there was: 1) More US military closer to Russias' borders, 2) a TTIP and 3) US to impose a no fly zone in Syria. If Killary had won, he wouldn't need to even write this. There seems to be quite a long tradition in Denmark for people like Anders Fogh Rasmussen as during WW2 probably the greater Danish contribution was on the Eastern Front, fighting with Nazi forces. Before the advent of communism the relations with Russia were good. At the present the wounds have not yet healed thus the support for "banderites".
 
Heather said:
Patience said:
I was just having an e-mail conversation with an old friend in the States, and then looking at Facebook comments form State-side folks, and I was struck by the uniformity of their comments along the lines of, "I can't believe the US voted for sexism, racism and homophobia."

This view would seem to be an easy way out for liberals, progressives, etc. It is one dimensional and lacks any kind of deeper analysis. What's that line about feeding the population first? In other words, if you can no longer afford your bills and are being kicked out of your home, etc., then other issues -- important issues to be sure -- are going to recede in significance, and even feed resentment and anger.

In line with this, gender and racial politics is being insidiously used by the PTB in a way that's calculated to distract the population from the endless war agenda, Wall Street's complicity in that, the incompetence and corruption of the Federal Reserve, the selling off and privatizing of public institutions.. (and on and on).. this while the citizenry is being squeezed for basic needs such as healthcare, social security, affordable housing and stable food prices, etc.

.. is it any wonder, then, that eventually the imbalance and blindness inscribed in the view quoted above is going to ignite the sort of reaction we are seeing in this election?

Yes, I agree.
 
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