Donald Trump wins 2016 US presidential election

chandlersdad said:
Listen, this is an area where I could feel such anger and acrimony over such short sighted voting that I would leave. Since I want to be here more than 2 days, I will leave this very disappointing thread. I honestly thought Laura's "gang" would be more aware. :mad:

If you thought that the 'gang' here would be more aware this makes me assume that you think this gang has a higher level of awareness compared to the average person. If this is true it would behoove you to explore why the gang is taking this approach to Trump. Read Sott and listen to Behind the Headlines/Truth Perspective on Sundays. You may boost your own awareness level when it comes to this issue rather than wallowing in anger. It may not make you a Trump fan but it may add some levity to what you're feeling.

Trump is no savior (who is?) and what he will do as Prez remains to be seen but Hillary is a beast.
 
Odyssey said:
chandlersdad said:
Listen, this is an area where I could feel such anger and acrimony over such short sighted voting that I would leave. Since I want to be here more than 2 days, I will leave this very disappointing thread. I honestly thought Laura's "gang" would be more aware. :mad:

If you thought that the 'gang' here would be more aware this makes me assume that you think this gang has a higher level of awareness compared to the average person. If this is true it would behoove you to explore why the gang is taking this approach to Trump. Read Sott and listen to Behind the Headlines/Truth Perspective on Sundays. You may boost your own awareness level when it comes to this issue rather than wallowing in anger. It may not make you a Trump fan but it may add some levity to what you're feeling.

Trump is no savior (who is?) and what he will do as Prez remains to be seen but Hillary is a beast.

Hmmm... one would have thought that you (CD) would have done more reading on the forum here, including the Cs sessions, before diving in. The Cs have a bodacious prediction record and in general, we take that 10% inspiration and do the research, the result being our perspective here. There ARE serious spiritual and esoteric implications involved in the choice between Trump and Killary, but oddly, a whole lot of people simply miss the crux of the matter.

One would also have thought that you would have read MORE of this thread so as to be aware of the nuances of the issue before commenting as you have. It seems to me, however, that you have just walked into the wrong bar with a lot of assumptions.

If, on the other hand, you really are interested in learning...

chandlersdad said:
I am here to learn, not to pontificate or debate.

... you will want to definitely read these threads in addition to this current one which was split off from this first, longer thread below:

https://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,40720.0.html

https://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,43095.0.html
 
Odyssey said:
chandlersdad said:
Listen, this is an area where I could feel such anger and acrimony over such short sighted voting that I would leave. Since I want to be here more than 2 days, I will leave this very disappointing thread. I honestly thought Laura's "gang" would be more aware. :mad:

If you thought that the 'gang' here would be more aware this makes me assume that you think this gang has a higher level of awareness compared to the average person. If this is true it would behoove you to explore why the gang is taking this approach to Trump. Read Sott and listen to Behind the Headlines/Truth Perspective on Sundays. You may boost your own awareness level when it comes to this issue rather than wallowing in anger. It may not make you a Trump fan but it may add some levity to what you're feeling.

Trump is no savior (who is?) and what he will do as Prez remains to be seen but Hillary is a beast.

I hope you take the advice and check out the threads listed for you, and reassess how this "gang" works. I'm pretty positive that many here don't live in the States and have researched history, foreign policy and political systems for quite sometime, as well as a host of other factors that come to play e.g., psychological conditions, geology, astronomy, physics etc. However, you said, as if factually that:

chandlersdad said:
Nothing that Hillary has done can compare to the damage Trump will inflict on the USA.

Just trying to consider what you could mean here? You seem to be implying that there in something that has never taken place yet (therefor it is open) and Trump will, as a prediction in the future, overshadow in "damage" what Hillary already has done. You also have internalized the focus upon the U.S. alone, which implies that it is not outside the U.S. As such, it is easy to look at the history of Hillary or her husband Bill to come up with their geopolitical fingerprints all over the map in terms of the death and destruction of sovereign countries and their peoples - this is the historical reality. It is easy to see the yoke of internal (and external) American policies place around American citizens necks with the aggrandizement of political and corporate corruption under their watch - this is historical reality. So far, from Trump, all that can be seen is election grandstanding whereby if one is either right/left, such as Hillary and Bill - having said near the exact same things in various ways; immigration, walls, fences, deportation, arms, sanctions etc., how do you know of Trump's future damage? It sounds like a pre-crime? Perhaps he will be no more or no less of a U.S. president than what the world has experienced lately, yet people should not be so hasty prescribing what he will or will not do, osit.
 
[quote author= chandlersdad]Listen, this is an area where I could feel such anger and acrimony over such short sighted voting that I would leave. Since I want to be here more than 2 days, I will leave this very disappointing thread. I honestly thought Laura's "gang" would be more aware.[/quote]

Trump said insensitive things but he also said things such as:

'New era of peace': Trump vows to stop US toppling of regimes during 1st stop of 'Thank You' tour
https://www.rt.com/usa/368951-trump-us-toppling-regimes-isis/

Donald Trump promised a “new era of peace” during the first stop of his “Thank You” tour in Cincinnati, Ohio, vowing that the US will stop trying to overthrow world governments and will cooperate with countries fighting terrorism.


There is a reason why the MSM is all anti-Trump. Maybe you should wonder why that is.

Nobody here is saying that Trump is perfect and it remains to be seen what will happen. But it sure is interesting.
 
Laura said:
Geeze, with the way the PTB are going after Trump, one gets the impression that he scares them.

I was thinking the other day that maybe Trump was maneuvered to run so as to make Killary a shoo-in, only Trump started taking it seriously and they found they had manipulated/created a Frankenstein.

Lord have mercy, that the USA should have descended to this!

It was obvious on Sept 8 that the whole election process was pretty much out of control:
https://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,40720.msg672701.html#msg672701

Then, following the 9-11 event where Hillary collapsed, the health issues came front and center on the above mentioned Hillary thread. Then Hillary started making utterly ridiculous statements demanding Trump be arrested: https://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,40720.msg675269.html#msg675269 That just made her look totally crazy.

Huma Abedin issues brought in: https://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,40720.msg675557.html#msg675557

Wikileaks exposures: https://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,40720.msg676125.html#msg676125

Demands that Hillary be arrested: https://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,40720.msg676139.html#msg676139

Page 35, end of September, debates. It was pretty clear that Hillary was getting special help. That did not go over well. Hillary came off like a robot, Trump like a half-jerk. No winner. Analysis: https://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,40720.msg677068.html#msg677068

General consensus:
https://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,40720.msg677072.html#msg677072
Either way, there is no winning choice - warmonger or narcacisstic fascist - the elites have themselves covered! And with Trumps running mate, Mike Pence saying Dick Cheney is his role model, we're screwed.

Analysis:
https://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,40720.msg677037.html#msg677037

See also: https://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,40720.msg677076.html#msg677076

And: https://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,40720.msg677090.html#msg677090

And: https://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,40720.msg677120.html#msg677120

And: https://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,40720.msg677192.html#msg677192

Trump was getting no kudos but almost nobody was fooled by Hillary at this point.

A lot of speculation and evidence came out about Hillary having a prompter and an arrangement for the debate. That was not in her favor. Online "snap" polls gave Trump as the winner. People were not fooled by Hillary.

See: https://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,40720.msg678257.html#msg678257

Along came the VP debates and discussion.

Page 39, Oct 8, release of the nasty video about Trump talking dirty about women. I was much less offended by that than I was by Hillary laughing over the death of Gaddafi and creating chaos in Libya. I think many people felt the same.

Then the Repub gang starts bailing on Trump: https://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,40720.msg678950.html#msg678950 ... and that actually made him look even better because he wasn't bought and paid for by politicians!

Then another try by the Clintonistas to smear Trump with the Epstein sex business. That backfires because everyone remembers Bill's trips to Lolita land. https://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,40720.msg679019.html#msg679019 It became obvious that the Clinton gang was trying to cover up their own dirty laundry in the email leaks.

Second presidential debate, Trump tells Hillary she should be in jail... which is clearly how the majority of Americans feel if one is paying attention and has two firing neurons. Analysis here: https://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,40720.msg679079.html#msg679079
https://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,40720.msg679071.html#msg679071

Again, online polls say Trump won, MSM polls say the opposite. People getting tired of this manipulation. At this point, it is understood that Trump is not - or at least no longer - "controlled opposition". https://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,40720.msg679244.html#msg679244

More Clinton fraud/manipulation exposed: https://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,40720.msg679257.html#msg679257

The utterly farcical nature of the whole campaign: https://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,40720.msg679288.html#msg679288

Nobody is pro-Trump, mostly everybody is Anti-Hillary, some folks plan to vote for Jill Stein for lack of a better alternative. We are on page 42.

This then sort of encapsulates things at this point:
Carl said:
It's probably because I don't live in America, but I found Trump to on point in that debate, and the whole thing was basically an entertaining boxing match. The "Because you'd be in jail" quip was hilarious, the fly on Killary's face, (even it could smell the BS), and Bill's face when Trump started ripping into his sexual abuse history? Absolutely priceless.

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I agree with Bjorn on this one, it could go either way and we could see another upset to the PTB plans if Donald gets in. At this point, why the hell not. America is now clearly visible on the world stage as an absolute lunatic (strapped with weapons). Its plans are failing globally, it's collapsing on the inside, and its image is now thoroughly degraded thanks to this clown show. What a time to be alive.

Of course I say all this from the position of an observer. Then I remember I am stuck in this human body which will have to weather the storm of financial collapse, terrorism, war, plague and comets...
 
Continued from previous post:

Then, Wikileaks, after a lukewarm start, gets serious:
JGeropoulas said:
Big surprise...

“An email released in the recent Wikileaks dump laid out Democrat presidential nominee Hillary Clinton’s real plan for the future — and it didn’t include justice, equality or fairness. Instead, Clinton’s plan for the future revolved around maintaining political power while working to create an “unaware” and “compliant” citizenry.”

_http://conservativetribune.com/email-compliant-citizenry-plan/?utm_source=Facebook&utm_medium=ConservativeTribune&utm_content=2016-10-11&utm_campaign=manualpost

Next, one of Trump's accusers is exposed as a fake. https://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,40720.msg679496.html#msg679496 That doesn't do Hillary any good.

Page 44, more about Hillary hiding her health issues: https://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,40720.msg679587.html#msg679587

14 October, 7th batch of Podesta emails (and other leaks) out and being discussed:
https://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,40720.msg679653.html#msg679653 It is becoming more and more obvious that Clinton is a pathological liar about literally everything. But, on page 45, Trump is still scary:
https://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,40720.msg679691.html#msg679691

Trump calling the Clintons criminals:
https://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,40720.msg679854.html#msg679854

Actually, it seems that a majority of Americans feel this way about them and I think that this was one of the points that got Trump elected along with his friendliness toward Russia. Hillary shoots self in foot with Anti-Russian statements. See: https://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,40720.msg680033.html#msg680033

The fact that Chelsea Clinton is not Bill's daughter (obvious) is brought up:
https://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,40720.msg680242.html#msg680242
https://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,40720.msg680318.html#msg680318

Trump is still not favored in any way:
https://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,40720.msg680370.html#msg680370

Then Assange's internet connection is cut off. That sure looks like a Clinton power manipulation to a lot of people and hurt Hillary even more (if that is possible at this point).

Niall said:

Next, Clinton gang exposed for political violence: https://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,40720.msg680551.html#msg680551

Niall said:
Remember those fights that would break out at Trump rallies? And remember the media reaction? And remember how it made it seem that violence followed Trump everywhere, therefore Trump was inciting the violence?

It turns out that Democratic Party strategists hired black operatives, some of them convicted criminals, to pay networks of agitators to follow Trump (and later his running-mate, Pence) and start fights at Trump rallies precisely so the media would portray Trump in that light.

Here's Part 1 of a year-long undercover investigation into the Clinton camp's 'conflict engagement' policy...


That was a real eye-opener.

Then, the idea that Trump HAD been selected by the Dems as a straw man opponent gets legs:
https://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,40720.msg680591.html#msg680591

Page 47, third debate: https://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,40720.msg680702.html#msg680702
https://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,40720.msg680721.html#msg680721
https://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,40720.msg680732.html#msg680732
https://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,40720.msg680761.html#msg680761

Then this:
rylek said:
This is a cross post of point made by Laura in the latest 15 October thread which I found interesting concerning the possible bigger picture behind this election and think it's worth re-posting in this thread as well:

Laura said:
<snip>

As for the Hillary/Trump thing, it seems hard to grok any rational purpose to bringing Hillary down from inside her own organization; or that it would be permitted by the war hawks or media which are obviously totally behind her. Well, I was thinking back over some things the Cs said and some things that Ra said a long time ago. Cs basically said that the turmoil that was coming was designed to get people to accept totalitarian dominance. Ra said something about it being necessary for the masses to CHOOSE and that the STS have to manipulate acceptance to come out openly. Something along that line, anyway. Maybe somebody can find the passage. So, what if Trump is that totalitarian ruler that the masses have to choose en masse? What if it is Hillary who is the "really bad choice" that is being put up next to Trump to make him look good? Rather than Trump being put next to Hillary to maker HER look good?

I dunno. It just all seems like something very deeply evil is going on.

End of page 48, Trump is still not much liked (nor is he up to now, for that matter).

Page 50 post reports that MOST Americans want Hillary indicted, not elected:
https://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,40720.msg681020.html#msg681020

Reports on Hillary as a career criminal: https://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,40720.msg681182.html#msg681182

Then:

Navigator said:
Just a little glimpse on the popularity of both candidates, did a quick look around at Reddit:

/r/The_Donald - 240,832 subscribers
/r/hillaryclinton - 32,193 subscribers

Which is quite a difference, and as a fun fact, /r/HillaryForPrison/ has 60,436 subscribers, almost double than Hillary's subreddit. :lol:

It begins to become obvious that the email leaks are from inside the Hillary camp:
https://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,40720.msg681602.html#msg681602

And of course, this gem:

Nearly a quarter of Americans ages 18 to 35 would rather see a giant meteor strike the Earth than see either Hillary Clinton or Donald Trump in the White House, according to the new UMass Lowell/Odyssey Millennials poll released today.

Page 51: October 28, FBI reopens case against Clinton:
https://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,40720.msg682283.html#msg682283

Comparisons between Trump and Hitler:
https://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,40720.msg682369.html#msg682369

A reasoned response to the above:
https://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,40720.msg682531.html#msg682531

General consensus at this point:
Nienna said:
Woodsman said:
The vibe I'm getting while watching him work his magic is pretty strong. Hopefully I'll be wrong, wrong, wrong, and if so I'll merrily eat my words. Who wouldn't want a new Father to watch over us in our time of woe, but you know, nicely? Without grabbing anybody's crotch.

So what is your take on Hillary? Her hands are already soaked in blood and she says she is ready for more blood; lots and lots of blood.

I don't like Trump, I detest Hillary. I'm not voting because neither of them is a good candidate for the presidency, except for the fact that the president hasn't really had an real power for decades. Those in control of the US are all about torture, maiming, destruction and death. As long as they are in control, nothing will change. Trump, because of his narcissism, may actually try to go against those in control. Hillary is the favorite of the PTB because she is, if not one of them, just like them and in cahoots with them.

And another:

Carl said:
Woodsman said:
SOTT is filled with smart people, like Lobaczewski's university, we are many of us aspiring students of psychology in a kind of school environment.

I am concerned, however, that we are perhaps allowing our own egos to trick us into thinking we are not vulnerable to the forces of ponerization. I think this is a grave error and that now is a time when we must work to maintain our own self-observation.

Do you see many people really rooting for trump in this network though? It seems to me, the reasons why anyone has an inkling of hope that he wins are:

1) He is the underdog and establishment media has been entirely against him
2) Now and then he says something that makes sense, I.E. let's not go to war with Russia
3) He is the perfect example of 1 side what American culture has become - Dumb, loud, racist 'Muricans. (The other side of course being the 'libtards' represented by Killary who scream for LGBT, 'feminism' and veganism but won't bat an eyelid at mass murder)

4) Bonus point - he is funny when he rips into Hillary, and we all hate Hillary.

In the end any thinking person here should know it is a total farce, but it is a farce that may be positive for the world in the future. A Trump 'upset' seems more likely to accelerate that along than more of the same at this point, although it may not matter at all. And we should also be aware that it is a possibility that the Secret Government are still more cunning than we give them credit for: that they have slipped in Trump as their actual favoured candidate.

Then:

Turgon said:
You both make very good points with respect to Trump and this whole debacle. I did notice myself starting to root for Trump, particularly during the debates and I've had to take a step back to really question where that is coming from. On the one hand, you have Hillary who is so vile it oozes out of her pores and onto the TV screen, and then you have Trump, who, like you said Woodsman, is openly calling for the deportation and banning of Muslims in America as well as building a wall to separate Mexico and the US (which if it were to happen would really screw the US up because how much of their sinking economy is still afloat due to illegal migrant workers that US companies can pay next to nothing in order to do the work). And now the FBI is reopening the case against Hillary less than 2 weeks until the election?! It is so back and forth as to what the real game plan is, It's mind boggling. I was thinking about it after watching the last debate and I sometimes wonder if there are just so many different groups within Washington at such different cross purposes to each other that there is no stated agenda by the 'shadow' government behind this other than having a psychopath and malignant narcissist duke it out with each other to see who wins the roll of the dice.

Alada said:
Carl said:
In the end any thinking person here should know it is a total farce, but it is a farce that may be positive for the world in the future. A Trump 'upset' seems more likely to accelerate that along than more of the same at this point, although it may not matter at all. And we should also be aware that it is a possibility that the Secret Government are still more cunning than we give them credit for: that they have slipped in Trump as their actual favoured candidate.

Yup, I’ve been thinking along similar lines. Voting for either candidate in the hope that things are going get better based on what they’re promising is totally misguided. Believing lies is very damaging to health!

As Carl mentioned, Trump does say some interesting things from the pov of it seemingly going against the established elite / control system. So that lends a little weight to wondering what might happen should he get in, but to my mind, more from the perspective that it will be safer (at least initially) for the rest of us out here in in the non-exceptional world.

A Clinton administration will waste no time in ramping up the death and destruction worldwide, with Trump I’m more inclined to think that he would usher in a period of internal domestic chaos initially. That in itself might trigger all kinds of in fighting and unpredictable events, and who knows what may get revealed globally if the US is withdrawn from its current positions. Trump has said he wants to massively increase military spending though.

Long term I don’t think it looks good either way, they will both leave chaos in their wake, with Clinton you know it’s pretty much just made of death and further empowering the establishment. With Trump who knows what’s gonna get thrown into the mix – may you live in interesting times!

I wouldn’t vote for either of them, to do so would be to vote for a reality that I do NOT wish to see coalesce, and do NOT wish to lose my free will to. To believe otherwise in the "hope" of a different outcome would be nothing more than wishful thinking. Or so I think.

Niall said:
Woodsman is correct that we've softened our stance on 'Trump-as-new-Hitler', in part because his jarringly racist statements have been toned down as he became a serious candidate, but it's also informed by our understanding that the US system is structurally 'locked-in' to an ideology (and a methodology) that has been so successful for about a century that its precepts have become tautology: the US is the 'exceptional' standard-bearer of 'liberty and freedom and democracy', thus the way it does business is always justified.

Whatever Trump says on his way to power, once in power the inertia of 'how things are done' would likely 'correct his course'. The 'US government' (in which I include major corporations and banks because it's impossible to tell where one ends and the others begin) is so vast and international at this point that it can swallow crusaders - even crusading US presidents - without suffering a major setback in its operations.

Regarding Trump vs Clinton, it's hard to see which way the wind is blowing on this. Just when it seemed like 'the whole establishment' had set it up for Killary, with Trump playing the 'pied pier' they would pitch her against, thus delivering her certain victory, they drop a bombshell on her lap just before the election. Was that always gonna happen? Or did they just decide that recently when they realized their initial plan backfired because Trump is more popular than 'their candidate'? Or has it nothing to do with what 'the people' want, and rather they just, on balance, dislike Clinton more?

Would Trump, once in power, 'go Nazi'? That's still a possibility, though less probable, I think, than we first thought. Would Trump, once in power, clean house and retake control of US foreign policy (and redirect it away from plundering and pillaging and back towards 19th century isolationism)? That's possible too, but what a monumental and courageous undertaking that would take. And what a miracle it would take for him to survive taking on Wall Street, the Pentagon, etc.

In the end, with either Trump or Clinton in power, that same inertia I mentioned above seems certain to continue playing out: expect more Syrias, more TTIPs, more police brutality, more riots, more unemployment, more homelessness, and more devolution of society.

axj said:
I think another way to look at it is that the US cannot avoid chaos of some sort at this point. With Clinton it looks more likely that this will result in foreign policy aggression as well, while Trump seems more reasonable in this important area. I think he is the better candidate due to his stance on Russia alone, even if he does not go through on "draining the swamp" of political corruption.

As to TTIP, he says that he would stop it and instead negotiate trade deals with each country individually.

Due to the fact that Trump offers a possibility (even if it isn't large) of some real positive change, he is definitely preferrable to Killary. So voting for that slight possibility is a good thing and has nothing to do with denying reality, in my opinion.

Alada said:
I think we have to be careful we don’t slip into wishful thinking, tempting as it may be. We live in a manipulated reality, that where politics is concerned is built on lies, manipulation and deception, as history shows time and time again. The decision to believe these lies by placing one candidate above the other and voting for them in false hopes, may be potentially be very important I think.

By allowing ourselves to be manipulated into taking part in the system, in the well intentioned but false hope that it will make a difference, on a deeper level by doing that I think we’re then "saying hello" to manifesting a certain kind of reality. That reality is one where it’s business as usual in terms of those that "create reality", because everyone’s still wishfully hooked into the system, giving their tacit approval to whatever unfolds next.

In effect wouldn’t we be contributing to exactly what we don’t want to happen? That by wishful-voting we’re abridging our own free will and all that that implies in terms of the reality we are "agreeing" to. Stakes are potentially very high in that regard.

At this point in time, best I can make of it all is to remember that according to the Cs it’s important for there to be objective observers as the process unfolds. In those terms, the vote which really matters would not be between Republican; Democrat or whoever, but between choosing to observe/experience reality objectively, or subjectively. That vote may be very significant in terms of what kind of reality we ultimately find ourselves living in. Or so I think.

Niall said:
Clintonistas have been calling for the FBI to look into "Trump's Russian ties" after last week's shock announcement by Director Comey that new information from an "unrelated case" made him wish to "supplement the record" on his non-indictment of Clinton's abuse of position as Sec of State.

FBI sources in the NYT yesterday answered by saying that have been doing exactly that, and further that they have found no evidence of a Trump-Putin conspiracy<snip>

Neil said:
Well, after thinking the last few days about Laura's musing about Trump and the possible alien invasion scenario, it became clear to me how much Trump is being set up as a pied piper next to someone like Jill Stein. Trump's beneficial qualities is that he often tells the truth, even touching on some subjects like 9/11 truth, he has some understanding and appreciation for making deals instead of making demands when it comes to foreign and domestic issues, and he seems to have a willingness to prosecute war criminals. His negative traits are that he has no humility, he's a misogynist self-centered hothead, and he has an undeveloped superficial intellect. His motives for running are questionable. These are not the traits of a leader. Jill Stein has all of Trump's strengths with only a couple of minor weaknesses. She seems to believe in AGW, which is unsurprising given the Green Party's platform, and I'm not sure that she has the inner constitution to really stare down psychopathy. Trump may have an advantage here in that he is exposed to it and deals with it, even if he can't really wrap his brain around it. She is intelligent and appears to have good intentions; she has the qualities of a leader even if she's not ideal. She had a nice dinner with Putin, as I recall, and he seems to think she is a reasonable person. So Trump is sort of a caricature of a good leader, he has the outer forms, and some of his ideas and aspirations may be tangentially aligned with what is sane, but he has a rather glaring dark side that 3D/4DSTS are hoping you will ignore. On an energetic level, it looks like the system has to throw out the good leader in order to comply with some universal law of balance, and then since people are either ignorant or too STS to care, she is marginalized and a twisted version is placed next to her which is promoted widely. Trump is a poster child for American capitalism, which was kind of psychopathic to begin with. People who buy into Trump's image as a great hero who is going to fix Washington with his leadership abilities are feeding their energy into the STS qualities that Trump embodies and propagates to some degree. This serves as a blue pill which will go down easy and support the type of realm frequency that 4D STS needs to maintain control here.

Having said all of that, the Clintons and some of their clappers need to fall, and Trump looks like he is in a position to do that with the help of some the PTB. This would be an objectively good thing. I also believe the possibility exists that he can be "hijacked," which is intriguing, because very often the forces of darkness can be made to serve the aims of the light if you're clever. There also seems to be quite a bit of factional infighting, perhaps not at the very top, but further down in the PTB, which might be interesting to watch. So I'm rooting for Trump a little bit on that account, but I'm not expecting much from him after the PTB get their power struggle sorted out. I'm certainly not buying the "great leader and savior" narrative that 4D STS wants me to accept. Unless he really does get "hijacked" and do some pretty incredible things, he's not getting any more support from me beyond me laughing at the PTB using him as a tool to try and kill each other and perhaps shooting themselves in the foot in the process. Trump is tool being used do certain things, but the eye needs to be kept on the illusive operators.

Renaissance said:
The US presidential election can probably be looked at in a similar light as Brexit, the failed Turkish coup and the US campaign against Syria, and the over-the-top anti-Russian propaganda. Things aren't working out as the elite have planned, and some of their henchmen are crumbing under the weight. If you guys haven't already seen it, check out James Carville's interview on MSNBC:


I don't know if it can get much better than that. The lies about Russia are being thoroughly being exposed, and it's reactions like Carville's above that are driving home just how insane the powers within the US are. That's pretty awesome. It doesn't come down to a matter of what Trump will do if elected (because as Niall stated things will continue for the U.S. pretty much as they did before), but it's seeing how the power brokers are essentially exposing themselves, miscalculating things, and going off the deep end as things unfold. The importance of these events doesn't really have to do with Trump being elected. 'Who is president' isn't an important issue in and of itself. Instead, it is more about what the unveiled propaganda and lies can reveal during the election campaigns. That's pretty unique for this election, but it's also a general trend for many events that we're seeing on the world stage.

Along comes the theory that the PTB/NWO wanted Trump all along and that Trump himself may not even be aware of it:
https://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,40720.msg683469.html#msg683469 There is some interesting following discussion on this including:

Laura said:
Aeneas said:
This guy makes the case that the Elite had wanted Trump all along. Perhaps that is true or partially true as it could also be a late plan or it could show that there are power struggles within the ruling elite.
_http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-11-02/why-us-presidential-election-has-entire-world-confused

Pretty much what I've been saying. And notice I compared Trump to the Hitler "clown" scenario VERY early in this thread. Everybody was calling him a clown, all the conservative authorities were against him, but he won anyway and only afterward, did people learn by inference from the process of history, that Hitler was WANTED by all of them to do what he did.

Joe said:
Yeah, it seems clear now that Trump has been selected way back at the time of the primaries. The idea that he could have beaten establishment figures to the nomination if the US establishment did not want him to win, is highly unlikely I think. They obviously have ways and means of stopping anyone in their tracks if they choose. Trump as a Hitler figure though is more difficult to imagine for me anyway. The article above make the case that the 'elite' want him in power for when the economy tanks (or they tank it in some way) so that he takes the blame rather than them.

Laura said:
I'm not sure that they want him to "take the blame" for a crash. That's a pretty simplistic idea. I think he is wanted to be the pied piper to lead everyone into slavery during/after a crash... the "strong leader who has the answers"... meanwhile, he's such an empty shell of a being that he is eminently downloadable.

From the 22 July 2000 session:

Q: (LC) Are we being currently monitored by 4th density STS?
A: You are always!

Q: (A) That's the helicopters.

A: That is more likely 3rd density. Suggest a review of the transcripts relating to the situation in Nazi Germany for better understanding here. ... We wish to review some things first. The concept of a "master race" put forward by the Nazis was merely a 4th density STS effort to create a physical vehicle with the correct frequency resonance vibration for 4th density STS souls to occupy in 3rd density. It was also a "trial run" for planned events in what you perceive to be your future.

Q: (L) You mean with a strong STS frequency so they can have a "vehicle" in 3rd density, so to speak?

A: Correct. Frequency resonance vibration! Very important.

Q: (L) So, that is why they are programming and experimenting? And all these folks running around who some think are "programmed," could be individuals who are raising their nastiness levels high enough to accommodate the truly negative STS 4th density - sort of like walk-ins or something, only not nice ones?

A: You do not have very many of those present yet, but that was, and still is, the plan of some of the 4th density STS types.

And then from the 22 July 2010 session: (just noticed the same dates except for year between the two sessions cited here.)

Q: (L) Well, yeah. We were talking about the Nephalim and their stun guns and that sort of thing. But it looks like psychopaths are the new Nephalim, and they're already using stun guns - tasers. And then we asked if they were going to try to stage a fake alien invasion. All of this disclosure business is trying to point people in the direction of alien invasions, trying to get them prepared for some kind of fake alien invasion. Then you said yes, but a real invasion might take place first or earth changes would happen. Now, it's just been pressing on my mind, becoming more and more clear, that we don't NEED an alien invasion with psychopaths ruling this world as their transdimensional agents. And it has occurred to me that when you said that way back when, that basically the invasion has already occurred! It's here, now. It's psychopaths in power!

Everybody is looking and waiting for some kind of aliens; well, aliens are a supernatural phenomenon. Yeah, there is a certain physicality to it, but it strikes me that that physicality doesn't have... what do I want to say? Endurance? It doesn't "vibrate" right in our reality. It can come and go, but it doesn't stay here. So they need agents. They've always needed agents. They've always needed human-looking beings to control, to manipulate, or to even "download into" in a funny sort of way, like a possession or an activation. It's like they're sitting at some control console in some hyperdimensional place controlling their agents the way we control remote control toys.

So anyhow, this is what I've been thinking. Everybody's waiting for something to happen, like disclosure, or after disclosure. But it's already happened. It's here NOW! Any so-called “disclosure” will be a fraud unless they come out and say that it is a supernatural or hyper-dimensional phenomenon, which they are NOT going to say because that completely counters their entire world view that worships the physical universe. That’s where the whole Darwinism, material science, exclusion of scientific study of the paranormal, and so forth, comes from. That sort of thing can NEVER be studied honestly because it would destroy their reality construct.

(Perceval) That's a great screen.

(L) Yeah, they're trying to prepare people for physical, material aliens – “Disclosure” - because they're going to TRY to pull the alien invasion trick or the "alien god" trick and they'll say, "Worship the alien god! Join behind us! We're his high priests!" But it's not going to work.

(Perceval) It's almost like that's been held in reserve if it's necessary. They've prepped people with the idea of aliens.

(L) It's like this gigantic counterintelligence program. And the main thing that I've seen them working to counter is the idea, the concept, the understanding that this phenomenon is a supernatural one. To make that clear, what we have always called supernatural, which is not necessarily "supernatural", is really just hyperdimensional. We've been aware of these things – this other reality – for millennia. They come and go. It's like the finger in Flatland. We're Flatland! Am I on to something with this?

A: About as accurate as you can get without making direct predictions.

The whole session is well worth re-reading.

Joe said:
Could be. Although there's also the angle of having a good psychological profile of someone and being fairly sure that under certain conditions, that person can be relied to act or react in a specific way, maybe with a bit of advising here and there. Trump, for example, a highly narcissistic, childish and rather naive person wont to fly into a rage when he is slighted, would be a good person to have in the White House if you want a president who will take rather rash and 'knee jerk' decisions under stress.

The point being that a 'higher level' agenda for our planet and its people is enacted by human beings who take actions for understandable, if not conscionable or rational, reasons. Our job is to understand the motivations of the elite at the top level, why they make the decisions they make, why they put certain people in positions of power and why those people make make the choices they make on the world stage because it all does follow a logical path (when your motivations are greed and power and control).

We have the framework of 4D STS and their fairly prosaic and horrific agenda as described by the Cs. How that agenda actually plays out in our world through the individuals that are selected because of their "qualities" that will service that higher agenda is what we are tasked with bringing to light.

bjorn said:
It's kind of genius to think how this anti-Establishment make believe could work out.

Trump promised to put Hillary in jail. If that happens, he will have the masses in his spell to undertake any draconian law necessary to 'fight' against the 'anti-establishment'

He will be the people-champion but in order to 'save' them from 'The Elite' he has to usher in fascism. I think it is really the only condition for people to allow and justify the full police state. The usual excuses will be a bit to obvious.

But this one has a twist nobody saw coming. Those hated upon pesky Elites have influences everywhere and all those people working for them need to be round up. Trump will 'save' the US from the Elite and 'clean house' And people will cheer him on for that.

Of course, he will not only be heroically 'fighting' the supposed Elite.

In the maintime he is also rounding up Muslims, illegal immigrants, right activists etc.

But who will bat an eye. Trump is trying to save the US and 'make America great again'. And if you have that kind of 'cult of personality' going. People will ignore, make excuses or even justify his genocidal warfare he is waging all across the country.


I can imagine how this could work out.

But you have to consider the 4STS puppet show. It's without the usual 3STS factors like bribery, conflict of interest, corruption etc. Which makes it hard to notice for us 3D folks. Some people are just emtpy shells doing whatever their 4STS controllers want them to do, according to the C's they are out there.
 
Continued from prev post:

seek10 said:
Pierre said:
The FBI has announced it re-opens clinton's email investigations because it found new emails during an unrelated investigation where the mobile devices of former Congressman Anthony Weiner and Clinton aide Huma Abedin were seized.

Interestingly, the MSM have widely relayed this information and several news outlets like WP or NYT seem to have slightly changed their tone concerning Killary. At the same time the same MSM report that Killary lead is shrinking according to the latest polls.

Knowing that the FBI, Wikileaks, the survey offices and the MSM are merely pawns of the PTB, one can wonder if we are witnessing a coordinated attempt to bring Killary down just before the election as suggested in the last session.

It is interesting that when Hillary's health issues started to fade, Wikileaks popped up. When wikileaks looked wearing out, FBI pitches in.
Session 12 December 2010
Q: (L) Our next question is about Julian Assange and Wikileaks. Is Wikileaks what it presents itself to be? A grassroots, document leaking organization formed by a bunch of activist hackers and so forth?

A: It was briefly.

Q: (L) You say it was briefly; that means it was probably co-opted fairly early on. So, can you tell us if Julian Assange is an agent?

A: This is a question that you have already answered.

Q: (L) What I mean is, is he consciously an agent?

A: To some extent, yes. But remember programming of both the human and 4D varieties.

Q: (Perceval) Is it true that he had that meeting with the Israelis to agree that he would not release damaging documents about them?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) And what is the objective of this Sideshow?

A: You guessed it this afternoon; preparation to accept global control. Or so it is planned.

I am not sure whether the context is this election or some thing else, looks interesting.

bjorn said:
In case someone has missed the latest Wikileaks leak on 'Podesta emails' that's going viral, check out #spiritcooking. It's now the no. 1 trending thing on Twitter. Seems like Podesta et al. are into weird "satanism" practices. I see this is also published on SOTT, have a look:

https://www.sott.net/article/333042-Sickos-Wikileaks-reveals-Podesta-bros-participate-in-disturbing-occult-themed-spirit-cooking-involving-copious-bodily-fluids

At the very least, this seems to get peoples attention - people are (re)tweeting this like crazy.

Jtucker said:
The "spiritual cooking" element is getting a lot of traction - in Canada anyway. None of the private server, State Department legality or non-legality doesn't really get a lot of mainstream news coverage. What I'm getting out of my American friends is that no matter who wins, is that there is a feeling that there might be civil unrest going to chaos and /or resistance either way. If Trump loses, it's a rigged election. If Killary loses then the racist, xenophobes have won.

I think, either way, this is the beginning of the collapse of an empire. If these two are the best you have to produce from your "democratic" system of 300 million people, then you are in a lot of trouble.

As much as the Russian angle of McCarthyism is coming out daily on CNN, I don't think it's really sticking. Putin has been consistent on everything he's said since long before he was an "enemy" of the U.S. I don't think this has been completely ignored with the American public.

-http://dailycaller.com/2016/05/25/poll-americans-like-vladimir-putin-more-than-clinton-trump/

I think if you go through the Wikileaks hacked emails of Houma and Killary, regardless of the official criminality, there is a complete world of "wishful thinking". Notice how none of them mention the human cost of their actions, they only correspond about profit and power. I think this is STS action on the high level. The joke in NYC is that you can stand on the balcony of a Park Ave condo and everything you can see with binoculars equals the GDP of Russia. I don't know if that's true, but when I've been there, it sure feels like it.

"They" probably are drinking blood and killing the innocent as C's have alluded to in their description of STS - 4D. I wish that wasn't true, but it becomes clearer everyday with actual news items. Trump has no constitution to be anything close to STO. He's a dirtbag, racist Jersey real estate developer. But does he have the unpredictable, self-centered STS mentality to screw the whole system - maybe. I see the American political system as a slow collapse that becomes more degraded and disgusting on a slow burn. The elements that "Murica" has thought were dead are re-viving - from our Northern point of view - the Sioux/Dakota nation is at least trying to re-establish sovereignty.

http://www.carbonated.tv/viral/herds-of-wild-buffalo-join-standing-rock-protestors

There weren't enough bullets produced by Winchester or Remington to kill all the herds.

Scottie said:
Pashalis said:
The impression I get is that this recent shift of focus from Hillary to Trump within (at least some of) the halls of power was a rather scrambled together and very recent reactionary move. -Possibly to her being ill, or more power hungry than predicted, or simply because everybody on her staff is sick of her crap, -as well as seeing where the wind is blowing. Maybe some of the establishment is genuinely swayed by Trump's speeches. Who really knows?

This is also where I'm at right now. When something shifts, we always look for the "secret plan of action that explains everything". They wanted Hillary, no wait they wanted Trump all along, no wait they wanted to call off the election...

I don't think they know what they want at a "details level". We project our need to have a plan onto the bozos running the show, because we want there to be some kind of order. But in reality, I don't think it works that way at all.

They're running the show as best they can to achieve a general outcome, which is more control. But then, stuff happens... Like Putin and Russia. This throws them for a loop because they didn't expect it. Oops, change course!

Then something else happens, like Hillary insiders despise her... Oops, change course!

Each time, the chaos increases, and "they" keep adjusting course. Normally, I think they will just throw multiple irons in the fire, see which one heats up, and then go with that.

Of course, there is a problem with this not-plan: it's all subject to wishful thinking. The other problem is that they might push people too far, and unexpected resistance will crop up, which further alters things and leads to even more chaos.

In short, "they" are pushing things towards the edge of a cliff, they don't know it, and they don't care. They're like the virus destroying the host body.

And they're damn sure that nothing you or I do matters, except that it just might... And therein lies the potential for a different future. When things are in such a state of crazy flux, I think there are many points where new options become open. We just need to navigate the storm wisely. Just as the clueless masses follow the idiots, they could just as easily turn and follow the smart people under the right conditions.

So, what really matters is level of being, frequency, whatever you want to call it. It's not that my voting or not voting will make a difference; the important thing is who I am, what I am working towards, what I know, the type of future I envision, and how I go about spreading that knowledge. Note that I said, "envision", not "visualize". Visualization doesn't do much, but envisioning something different based on what we see as true at this moment, and then adjusting our own course and putting bits and bobs of energy out there in a different direction... that's a whole different thing than just "visualizing". Furthermore, what is true today may not be true tomorrow! We all need to stay on our toes as things progress and shift (as they no doubt will again).

Ya know, like: Maybe the number of people who Like my FB post is the LEAST important thing. The popularity contest is for Dark T-shirts. What's most important is that it's out there, people read it, and it's working on them or with them in a free will-respecting kind of way.

Well, wait and see!
 
Final installment of recap of election thread:

Laura said:
I keep thinking about what the Cs said about a "big miscalculation" being possibly Killary's dumb decision to do the private server thing. That was said back in 2003 during the Bush administration when we thought things were very bad already... oy, we sure didn't know!

Q: (A) The point is, that people have no choice. They are backed into a corner. The only thing they can do now is just impeach Bush. If they don't do that, there is nothing else they can do. Because if they don't do anything, they will bear the blame for doing nothing - the same way Germany did after Hitler. All the signs are here now: it is exactly like it was in 1939 in Europe.

(L) Well, anything we do, we cannot anticipate the outcome. We can't even know if it will be helpful. We just have to do what is right from one moment to the next based on what we know using our best efforts. For all we know, if we keep pushing the "impeach Bush" issue, we may end up in jail as "enemy combatants."

(A) What did we learn? That there is this help on the way. We know that we cannot quit working. We are helping the help, so to say.

(L) Well, I wrote to some people pointing out that the anti-war stance is only more divisiveness. There are people who are for the war to support Bush, and there are people who are against the war who don't support Bush. It is a question of supporting Bush. Everybody agrees that Saddam is a stinker, but they can't agree on whether how Bush is handling the matter is appropriate or not. They forget that what is happening here is that they are all being put into an oppositional stance against each other, and Bush, himself, is coming out on top clean. If they would concentrate on the REAL issues: that Bush is a liar, that he is not even our legal president, that he stole the election by nefarious means, that he is a criminal from a criminal family, making it clear and plain with facts and massive media coverage about who and what Bush really is, then the whole issue would be focused where it belongs: on Bush and the Consortium that has put him in power to serve its agenda. But, instead of concentrating on the problem - of which Bush is only the representative, the real issue being the Consortium - people are not seeing that the whole situation is being manipulated for the benefit of the Industrial-Military Complex just as Eisenhower foresaw. Bush is only the puppet for this Consortium. If that could be seen as the real danger that it is, if they could impeach Bush - who is their creature - and get somebody into the presidency who was uncorruptible, who could kick butt and take names like Kennedy tried to do. Well, we have learned. Kennedy didn't take the danger as seriously as he should have. If he had, maybe he could have carried through what he wanted to do: disband the CIA, tie the hands of the military, make things more equitable for the common people, enhance civil rights and civil liberties. If we could get somebody in the White House who was smart enough to not get assassinated, and who was clean and not tied up with the consortium, things really COULD change.

(A) The problem is only in America. If America would just stand down, Saddam would be dealt with appropriately. Nobody likes the guy. He doesn't have anything. He is no danger to anybody. But Bush is a danger to the whole planet. He has created this crisis and the whole world has gone to hell in just a few months.

(L) And the reason he is able to do what he is doing - which is basically that he is going to destroy the whole damn planet - is because of the media. The media is controlled by the Jews who have only one agenda: to own all of Palestine and revenge. And so, they dangle carrots for Bush to follow without even knowing that they are signing their own death warrant. They are following the script of the Consortium which wants, above all other things, to see all Semitic peoples destroyed, and their hubris won't even allow them to see it. For that reason, the Jews have helped George Bush plunge the entire world into chaos. And they will wonder why, at the last moment, everyone hates them just as Americans will wonder why they are the most hated nation on Earth. Blind hubris.

(A) Well, there is this Game Theory, and they are employing it to the max. They are playing a game. They know where the buttons need to be pushed, to steer the delicate equilibrium where they want it. No one in the world of politics is clean. No one. They are all dirty, and if you know all the dirt, you can do what you want. As much as it seems to be a horrible thing to lay at the door of the Jews, that's where it ends up of its own. You can't help it. You follow the threads, and that's where they take you: the Zionists.

(L) So, if something comes along that destroys their game theory...the whole operation will collapse. Game theory is based on data. It's like Vincent Bridges. His whole game was based on pushing our buttons, trying to blackmail us, saying things like "I'll tell the whole sordid story." Well, guess what? I'll tell it first! I'm not perfect and I have certainly made mistakes. But nobody is going to use it to control me. If other people could do that, if they could get over their fear of being judged for making mistakes, there would be nothing that anyone could hold over their head anymore.

(A) Okay, there is Bush and his Skull and Bones. And then, there is the Illuminati. And they are looking for something. So, probably somebody behind Bush is also looking for something. So, the only way for us to help, is to work on this project. And then, hopefully, these people will halt this mass destruction hoping they will get what they are after: grail or whatever. Because if they destroy the world, they will get nothing.

(L) And then meanwhile, there is the North Korean guy - the mirror image of George Bush; everything he says and does is modeled from George Bush. It is actually comical to watch them. "I'm going to blow up the world!" "No you're not, I'm going to blow it up first! I'm going to turn America into a sea of fire." And Bush is saying "I'm going to bomb Iraq back to the stone age." "No you're not! We're going to bomb YOU back to before the Stone Age!" They are like two identical characters! Crazy! We are in a hell of a mess. Any comments?

A: The situation looks bleak indeed. But remember the Achilles heel of STS: Wishful Thinking.

Q: In this case, how is wishful thinking going to help?

A: There will be a big miscalculation made. It will reveal the "Man behind the curtain."

This latest thing about "Spirit Cooking" just puts the cherry on the cake.

Neil said:
I thought this election was just going to be mainly more smoke and mirrors for distractions, with the esoteric agenda only indirectly involved in the background, but this "spirit cooking" thing definitely leads one to consider the STS walk-in idea. I wonder if Trump is involved in similar things. It's just totally bizarre. I casually knew some people who were into some Wicca spellcasting stuff, but never anything like drinking blood and semen.

As for the "this is not a normal election" remark, I think the candidates were acknowledging that America is at a crossroads and a crisis of civilization. If Hillary wins, the momentum would have her wage an all or nothing war against Russia. The faction of the establishment who supports her has literally gambled the entire future of the imperial project on Russia backing down and giving up or being beaten into submission. If that fails, America fades into irrelevance. If Trump wins, he must rally the people behind him, rebuilding America's nationalist pride, and then after brokering some sort of imperialist renaissance/economic revival, go out and prove to the world why America is the greatest. If Trump can't get the people to believe in the empire again, and get it to function well enough to maintain its position as a superpower, then America fades into irrelevance and the imperial project fails. The American people are aware of this at some level "something has to give" and the candidates' primary intention was to address that in order to garner support. Hillary probably knows more about future plans than she let on, but I don't think she was letting this slip when she made that comment. Since she appears to have fallen out of favor now, it really makes one question how much she actually knows because I don't see a psychopath like her being a willing fall guy. I don't think Trump knows much of anything, he probably thinks he can be some kind of Hollywood hero and save the country while the Quorum manipulates his emotions to make him twirl and dance beautifully to their agenda.

I don't know if Trump has the right constitution for 4D STS to turn him into Emperor Palpatine. It seems like they would primarily go after people with a great deal of intellectual capacity and some psychic ability to be able to seat themselves in this reality and dominate it. Trump almost seems weak from that perspective, but perhaps his position of ceremonial influence would offset this and make it worthwhile. Then again, the smarter you are, the harder you are to control; only the overlords can "afford" the really good bodies.

whitecoast said:
They are burning through their ammunition (stockpile of veils and smoke and mirrors) very rapidly to try and keep a lid on things.

At this point, on the 6th of November, page 59, it is announced that Clinton will not be charged, though certainly it looked almost possible for a few days. With THIS announcement, I'm sure that almost EVERYONE saw "Clinton power mongering and money manipulation" behind that event. Hillary was clearly displayed as someone who could break the law and get away with it. https://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,40720.msg684087.html#msg684087

Page 61, day before the election:
meta-agnostic said:
Yes, as we enter this home stretch, all bets are off with anything. Double or triple-reverse psychology disinfo coming from all angles trying to sway things one way or the other, or just make us go nuts!

Emma said:
Renaissance said:
Alada said:
I wonder if in a strange way the timing can actually work in Trump’s favor? The damage to Killary is already done and his problem was getting folk to actually turn up and vote. This might be just the kind of motivation needed for folk who were angry with Killary before but probably wouldn’t bother to vote, well, now their really pissed at the lack of action vs the mountain of evidence, and will be damn sure that 'she can’t get away with it’ by their going out and voting for Trump. It’s SO blatant that it backs up Trumps "the system is rigged" cries.

The whole thing is so crazy though it seems impossible to really predict what the plan is! In terms of "reality creators", as things reach a nexus point on many levels then perhaps for those of a more "crypto-geographic" influence it becomes trickier to steer things along a desired path, too many variables as the possible outcomes multiply?

Maybe we ain’t seen nothing yet, it’s still only Monday morning!

This is pretty similar to what I've been thinking as well. If the deep state want Trump in, then they may very well be positioning institutions in ways that will 'reveal' corruption so as to vector the anger and frustrations of Americans and guide them towards the 'anti-establishment' candidate.

I think that's their game: playing both sides and than watch this loony reality show, it was a while ago Trump was endorsed by Dick Cheney and Rudy Giuliani.
So no matter who wins, "meet the new boss, same as the old boss."

Neil said:
Dr. David Jacobs and Keel, to a degree, have given us insight into the Project. It is to create a society exactly like the 4D alien society, totalitarian, rigidly hierarchical caste system, where one's role is determined by how one is genetically engineered and conditioned, just like in Huxley's Brave New World. At the level of Consortium/Quorum, the representatives that interface more or less directly with the Orion STS collective, this is the general aim and there is little deviation. I don't think 4D cares too much about the details, except in rare cases where they do direct interventions, they leave it up to the minions to implement their archetypal imperial template in a human environment. There is quite a bit of latitude given, as long as the Project moves forward, and those that are further removed from it are free to pursue their own self interest, oblivious to its existence while advancing its aims. From that perspective, politics is almost irrelevant, except that the masters are sometimes revealed through the actions of their lackeys, and in cases where the lackeys are fighting each other, sometimes the haze clears enough for you to see way up the pyramid. Comey is like a mouse caught between two smallish cats, who are subjugated by larger more powerful cats, who are occasionally stirred up by a great big dog...

As the election was getting started, I posted:

Laura said:
Just thought I would make note of Ark's thoughts on the election: he thinks Killary will win because she is backed by the Consortium - or apparently so. But that if she does win, she will not serve out the entire term either due to disability, death, or impeachment.

I think that Trump winning would be more interesting - like a soap opera - and if Killary wins, I'll sure be disappointed that I didn't get to see that woman get served her comeuppance.

NormaRegula said:
Those are my thoughts too. If Hillary wins, it's because the Consortium wants it and can rig the election in her favor so as to cause a civil war. If she does fail while in office, the PTB have Kaine waiting to do their bidding once she is no longer of use. If Killary loses the election, it may be because Trump was really the chosen one or he was a surprise and the Consortium will switch gears and do their best to co-opt him. If Trump refuses to go along with the game plan, they have Pence, the Cheny fan, to do so after an assassination or as an influencer.

I must admit there is a part of me that wants Trump to win as Killary has always given me the heebie-jeebies, even more so than her jerk husband. I'd like to see her not reach her life's objective while her brain can still process it. She is clearly the more evil - at least as it looks now.

Well, I didn't vote. Haven't in a long time. Guess we just sit back and observe the show. Arghh.

Alana said:
In regards to the US election, up until today I was mostly dumbfounded (with the options) and amused to a degree. I truly did not care who wins, both are horrible candidates, and anyway, it's those behind the scenes that do the running of the country anyway. But today, just following FB, tweets and news about the process so far, it hit me that Hillary might become the president of the US, and I felt so disgusted with the prospect, that, even though I strongly dislike Trump, I'd rather he be the next puppet. He might even be amusing. But Hillary? Disgusting. She does not deserve any winnings anywhere, in any way... So yeah, Arghh while waiting.

Scottie said:
In other words, the FBI came out a few days before the election and said, "Oops! Re-opening the case against Hillary. Please wait..."

Then just before the election (and in record time), they declared that there was nothing to see here, case closed (again).

Why?

Because it was a message to Hillary that if they wanted to, they could take her down. Not the FBI per se, but those that run the show. The Cigarette Smoking Man, if you will. If Comey and the FBI wanted to, they could have kicked her butt, but clearly they did not.

Just a last minute, "Yeah, Hillary, you're gonna be the president. Don't get carried away though, because you aren't the one running things. Remember that."

I'm still wondering how we went from a wobbly-kneed, zoning out, incoherent-at-times, freaky-faced Killary to a totally "normal" looking and sounding Killary during the debates. That was quite a miraculous recovery...

Neil said:
I think some sort of contested result is pretty much baked into the cake, based on what Trump and some of his supporters have said. I'd be really disappointed if everybody just said "Hillary wins, that's it." How are the puppet masters going to keep the "ratings" high among us viewers, LOL? I guess we don't have long to wait.

Woodsman said:
I think this must be what a wave feels like just before it collapses into a particle...

The past couple of days, I've been exhausted when I'm awake, and fitful when trying to sleep. But today everything has settled into a kind of calm -which also feels kind of unnatural. I don't know what it means, if anything.

Part of me just wants this over with so I can start making plans again in a semi-stable reality, -where I know which group of crazy dogmatists will be holding which kind of hurtin' sticks.

But another part of me is very aware that this is all worth paying attention to! How much life and work have we all endured in order to be here right now for this kind of pivotal history in action? This is pretty special. Reality doesn't serve this sort of thing up without a lot of preparation. Don't blink during the big song and dance number!

As for predictions... Right now, I agree with Ark's assessment. But then, who knows? I've not checked the news in the last fifteen minutes.

My one nagging thought, (which may well cancel out an actual reality collapse in that direction by 'observing' it ahead of time), is that the election will be very close, neither side will have a clear victory and there will be many logical arguments with compelling YouTube evidence on both sides, leading to lots of justifiable outrage and sparked pathological/hysterical mechanical responses.

Except it's kind of a binary situation...

Hillary supporters don't have all the guns, so if Trump ascends to the White House, there isn't much chance of immediate violent unrest.

By contrast, a Hillary win under questionable circumstances could get tricky really fast, with a fairly rapid implementing of militarized police to "keep the peace". Big Mamma taking charge and sending the naughty boys to their rooms. -It's SO unfair and illegal, (Alex Jones threatened with arrest? But.., but.., Free Speech!) -though you know she does it from a place of love... (barf.)

So how do we feel?

Is a Meltdown scenario more likely to happen in the next 48 hours, or the next 48 weeks?

Right now, all I feel is a weird calm.

Aeneas said:
For some reason I have had this feeling of dread the last few days about this election and a feeling that it will only get worse.

This election cycle has polarized America to an extreme degree and I too doubt that the election results will just be accepted. And like Angelburst suggested, perhaps a third candidate will get annointed and everyone will breathe a sigh of relief, not realising they have been had again.

Tomorrow will be interesting as to whether a real winner will be have been found and as Thorbiorn mentioned a few days ago, tomorrow will be 9/11 or 11/9.

Joe said:
whitecoast said:
I am thinking that no matter who "wins", the vast majority of people in the USA will "have a cow"/freak out. eg, if 60% don't like either one that leaves 40% who think there is a choice that they actually favor. Trump and Clinton will split that remaining 40% so the winner will have maybe 20 or 25% who are 'happy". And that leaves 75%-80% who will immediately head for the nearest bar to have a stiff drink and bury their head in their hands! Contested vote AND a fractured, divided, depressed and fearful populace. Whoopee. Can't wait to watch the train wreck unfold.

Except for one thing: all the deluded Hillary supporters who are going to be triumphantly gloating like crazy. Ugh. (assuming the fix is in for her)

meta-agnostic said:
Just watching and waiting like everyone else. Oddly excited about it regardless of how it turns out, despite the potential to be surrounded by chaos as soon as tomorrow, or within the week.

BHelmet said:
<snip>
Except for one thing: all the deluded Hillary supporters who are going to be triumphantly gloating like crazy. Ugh. (assuming the fix is in for her)

Another thing that has been bugging me is that if Trump somehow wins, these sanctimonious so-called "liberal" Hillary supporters will whine until possibly the literal end of time about everything he does and say it all would have been fine if more people had just voted for Hillary. And there is no way to objectively disprove their counter-factual, considering the extent to which they've managed to delude themselves so far and sold off a large chuck of their souls by doing so.

Joe said:
Would Newsweek have put the cash into this {madam president issue} if they thought there was any doubt?

NormaRegula said:
Joe said:
Would Newsweek have put the cash into this if they thought there was any doubt?

Holy Crum. The PTB don't even care if the curtain is pushed aside to show the man behind it. They are that arrogant.

Ugh. Turned on CNN for a few minutes and the pundits are sayings Clinton's in the lead and will win. Not that I'm surprised what with Soros voting machines and certain election officials probably helping her along. I'm going to cringe every time I see Killary's gloating face and hear her shrill voice while the MSM acts as a Greek Chorus and refuses to find fault with her antics. Ain't no way justice will be served to this witch once she gets into the Whitehouse. I doubt if the opposition will impeach her unless they want to be politically marginalized or added to the kill list. Argh.

meta-agnostic said:
Joe said:
Would Newsweek have put the cash into this if they thought there was any doubt?
Hey, let's not give up hope! As zerohedge illustrated in their write-up of it, a stooge president from the mid-20th century got to have the last laugh in a similar situation:

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-11-07/newsweek-calls-it-madam-president-clinton-hits-shelves-due-business-decision

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plus it could all just be another part of the grand psy-op...

mkrnhr said:
The good thing with this "election" is that the dirty laundry of the PTB has been exposed to all to see. The bad thing is that the dirty laundry of the PTB has been exposed to all to see. What I mean is that there might be something "karmic" about all this agitation in the sense that people vote knowing how corrupt the system is. There are no more excuses. If people unconsciously deserve those who govern them, in this case they consciously ask for it, with or without cognitive dissonance. And the PTB is all happy to oblige. OSIT

griffin said:
Trump just topped 200 electoral votes with 201, and given the partial results showing in other states right now, I'm tentatively calling it for Trump to win. Here's the electoral map I used to predict this win: http://www.oregonlive.com/politics/index.ssf/page/2016_election_president_result.html#incart_big-photo .
If Trump wins all the states where he's leading right now by several points, he ends up winning with 285 electoral votes, 15 more than the 270 needed to win.

irjO said:
If you check Google right now it says that: Donald 232 and Killary 209 this is kind of a surprise for me, if Donald gets elected I guess is because the PTB have something pretty dark prepared, obviously with Killary would be the same but maybe with Donald it could create a "revolution" in the sense of creating a perfect scenario for an open totalitarian system. As some folks mentioned before.

Here is the link https://www.google.rs/search?q=us+election&cad=h

The posts about Trump winning were split off into THIS thread. And that about covers it.

Meanwhile, the discussion on the election thread continued for a bit: conversation turned to Hillary/Bill involvement with pedophile rings.
https://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,40720.msg685408.html#msg685408
https://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,40720.msg685618.html#msg685618
https://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,40720.msg685705.html#msg685705
https://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,40720.1005.html
https://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,40720.msg685980.html#msg685980
https://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,40720.msg686186.html#msg686186
https://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,40720.msg687095.html#msg687095

I think all the stuff about Spirit Cooking and connections to pedophile rings should be split off into its own thread.
 
Thanks for the recap, Laura.

There's one thing that I find complicated to understand: If Assange is cointelpro, then why would he be leaking out damning evidence against Killary? One theory could be, that someone made a better offer, and paid him (and those associated with Wikileaks) to join the anti-Hillary team. Or, perhaps some third party took control of the Wikileks-apparatus, and Assange is just acting like he's still in charge...?
 
Thanks indeed Laura, I think it's very helpful and there are some important observations/thoughts that can be easily forgotten in the maelstrom of current events unfolding.

Aragorn said:
Thanks for the recap, Laura.

There's one thing that I find complicated to understand: If Assange is cointelpro, then why would he be leaking out damning evidence against Killary? One theory could be, that someone made a better offer, and paid him (and those associated with Wikileaks) to join the anti-Hillary team. Or, perhaps some third party took control of the Wikileks-apparatus, and Assange is just acting like he's still in charge...?

Or, to go triple-reverse-conspiracy, their plan was to create such hatred for the establishment on the right/alternative/semi-mainstream scene that once Killary gets elected, all hell breaks lose, with the Muslims right in the middle. Also, in light of the Peterson debate, I wonder if those human rights tribunals (operating with totalitarian powers outside of the established juridical system) Peterson talks about play an important role in all this. This certainly smells of total Orwellian control that goes far beyond even the current corruption. Killary probably would have supported this, and it would be much easier to promote such ideas if you have an uproar of 'crazy right-wingers' and 'conspiracy theorists' going on!
 
Aragorn said:
Thanks for the recap, Laura.

There's one thing that I find complicated to understand: If Assange is cointelpro, then why would he be leaking out damning evidence against Killary? One theory could be, that someone made a better offer, and paid him (and those associated with Wikileaks) to join the anti-Hillary team. Or, perhaps some third party took control of the Wikileks-apparatus, and Assange is just acting like he's still in charge...?

That's too simplistic. Assange could be "cointelpro" by virtue of having stuff fed to him that he and his peeps think is legit.
 
chandlersdad said:
I cannot believe how many so-called spiritual seekers and researchers here support Trump, a man that epitomizes SERVICE TO SELF and during his campaign scapegoated racial, religious and sexual minorities, plus demeaning half the human race (women). I am simply appalled. Nothing that Hillary has done can compare to the damage Trump will inflict on the USA. Have you seen his cabinet choices? A white supremacist, Wall Street Insiders, including a Goldman Sachs executive, a woman to head public education who does not believe in public education nor child labor laws. Every single one hates gay people and has campaigned against their equal rights under the US Constitution in the past. Tony Perkins (Family Research Institute) is a recognized HATE GROUP. A retired general who wants war with Iran. OMG, people! How can any of this be possibly construed as a spiritual choice? :scared:

Sigh, well at least he's not a psychopath, a crook, a congenital liar or linked to and supported by satanists and pedophiles. I suppose that's something anyway, unless a person's into that type of stuff or only interested in power. He's also not a murderer either, and I don't think he really cares to dominate the whole of the human race like some people do. Just a businessman with funny hair who suffers from foot-in-mouth disease. Do you REALLY see what lies behind Hillary? Trust me, its UGLY! You talk about spiritual choice when you can't even see evil. Mind blowing really.
 
A variation on one of the themes/theories that's been bruited:

Was 11/8 a New 9/11?

The Election That Changed Everything and Could Prove History’s Deal-Breaker

By Tom Engelhardt

{Here's the theme of the "Secret Team". All this done covertly and hidden from the US public and often Congress.}

December 03, 2016 - For decades, Washington had a habit of using the Central Intelligence Agency to deep-six governments of the people, by the people, and for the people that weren’t to its taste and replacing them with governments of the [take your choice: military junta, shah, autocrat, dictator] across the planet. There was the infamous 1953 CIA- and British-organized coup that toppled the democratic Iranian government of Mohammad Mosadegh and put the Shah (and his secret police, the SAVAK) in power. There was the 1954 CIA coup against the government of Jacobo Arbenz in Guatemala that installed the military dictatorship of Carlos Castillo Armas; there was the CIA’s move to make Ngo Dinh Diem the head of South Vietnam, also in 1954, and the CIA-Belgian plot to assassinate the Congo’s first elected prime minister, Patrice Lumumba, in 1961 that led, in the end, to the military dictatorship of Mobutu Sese Seko; there was the 1964 CIA-backed military coup in Brazil that overthrew elected president Jango Goulart and brought to power a military junta; and, of course, the first 9/11 (September 11, 1973) when the democratically elected socialist president of Chile, Salvador Allende, was overthrown and killed in a U.S.-backed military coup. Well, you get the idea.

In this way, Washington repeatedly worked its will as the leader of what was then called “the Free World.” Although such operations were carried out on the sly, when they were revealed, Americans, proud of their own democratic traditions, generally remained unfazed by what the CIA had done to democracies (and other kinds of governments) abroad in their name. If Washington repeatedly empowered regimes of a sort Americans would have found unacceptable for ourselves, it wasn’t something that most of us spent a whole lot of time fretting about in the context of the Cold War.

At least those acts remained largely covert, undoubtedly reflecting a sense that this wasn’t the sort of thing you should proudly broadcast in the light of day. In the early years of the twenty-first century, however, a new mindset emerged. In the wake of the 9/11 attacks, “regime change” became the phrase du jour. As a course of action, there was no longer anything to be covert about. Instead, the process was debated openly and carried out in the full glare of media attention.

{Which make all Americans equally responsible, energetically speaking.}

No longer would Washington set the CIA plotting in the shadows to rid it of detested governments and put in their place more malleable client states. Instead, as the “sole superpower” of Planet Earth, with a military believed to be beyond compare or challenge, the Bush administration would claim the right to dislodge governments it disdained directly, bluntly, and openly with the straightforward use of military force. Later, the Obama administration would take the same tack under the rubric of “humanitarian intervention” or R2P (“responsibility to protect”). In this sense, regime change and R2P would become shorthand for Washington’s right to topple governments in the full light of day by cruise missile, drone, and Apache helicopter, not to mention troops, if needed. (Saddam Hussein’s Iraq would, of course, be exhibit A in this process and Muammar Gaddafi’s Libya, exhibit B.)

With this history in mind and in the wake of the recent election, a question came to me recently: In 2016, did the American people leave the CIA in a ditch and potentially do to themselves what the Agency (and more recently the U.S. military) had done to others? In other words, in the strangest election of our lifetimes, have we just seen something like a slow-motion democratic coup d'état or some form of domestic regime change?

Only time will tell, but one sign of that possibility: for the first time, part of the national security state directly intervened in an American election. In this case, not the CIA, but our leading domestic investigative outfit, the FBI. Inside it, as we now know, fulminating and plotting had been ongoing against one of the two candidates for president before its director, James Comey, openly, even brazenly, entered the fray with 11 days to go. He did so on grounds that, even at the time, seemed shaky at best, if not simply bogus, and ran against firm department traditions for such election periods. In the process, his intervention may indeed have changed the trajectory of the election, a commonplace in the rest of the world, but a unique moment in this country.

{We've discussed this from various angles and it seems to us more likely that Comey was acting at the behest of the PTB, not going rogue. That would mean that Clinton was either being warned, or deliberately sabotaged (as the email leaks suggest), leading to the conclusion that either from the beginning, or along the way, the PTB decided that Trump was the man.}

Donald Trump’s administration, now filling up with racists, Islamophobes, Iranophobes, and assorted fellow billionaires, already has the feel of an increasingly militarized, autocratic government-in-the-making, favoring short-tempered, militaristic white guys who don’t take criticism lightly or react to speed bumps well. In addition, on January 20th, they will find themselves with immense repressive powers of every sort at their fingertips, powers ranging from torture to surveillance that were institutionalized in remarkable ways in the post-9/11 years with the rise of the national security state as a fourth branch of government, powers which some of them are clearly eager to test out.

{Put that way, yeah, it's a scary prospect. But we've already proposed it as a possibility - see synopsis of the election thread.}

Blowback and Blowforward as the History of Our Times

{In the next part, he gets into the "blowback" theory of terrorist creation. Yeah, there may be some of that, but seems pretty obvious that a lot of terrorist orgs are doing exactly what they are wanted to do, created to do, etc. Notice that he also puts 9-11 in the lap of "19 Saudi hijackers".}

It took 22 years -- in the wake of Washington’s 1979 decision to use the CIA to arm, fund, and train the most extreme Afghan (and other) Muslim fundamentalists and so give the Soviet Union a Vietnam-style bloody nose -- for the initial American investment in radical Islam to come home big time. On that blowback path, there would be American military housing in Saudi Arabia blown sky high, two U.S. embassies bombed in Africa, and a U.S. destroyer ripped apart in a harbor in Aden. But it was 9/11 that truly put blowback on the map in this country (and, appropriately enough, turned Chalmers Johnson’s book with that title, published in 2000, into a bestseller). Those al-Qaeda attacks, estimated to cost only $400,000, were aimed at three iconic structures: the World Trade Center in Manhattan (representing American financial power), the Pentagon in Washington (military power), and assumedly either the White House or the Capitol (political power) -- as United Airlines Flight 93 was undoubtedly headed there when it crashed in a field in Pennsylvania. Those strikes by 19 mainly Saudi hijackers were meant to deliver a devastating blow to American amour propre, and so they did.

In response, the Bush administration launched the Global War on Terror, or GWOT (one of the worst acronyms ever), also known to its rabid promoters as “the Long War” or “World War IV.” Think of that “war,” including the invasions and occupations of Afghanistan and Iraq, as a kind of “blowforward,” or a second vast, long-term investment of time, money, and lives in Islamic extremism that only entrenched the phenomenon further in our world, helped recruit more supporters for it, and spread it ever more widely.

{Below, he brings it home to Osama bin Laden. Well, this guy is seeming to be more clueless as we read along. Didn't he ever read Fletcher Prouty?}

In other words, Osama bin Laden’s relatively modest $400,000 investment would lead Washington to squander literally trillions more dollars in ever-expanding wars and insurgencies, and on the targeting of growing, morphing terror outfits in the Greater Middle East and Africa. The resulting years of military effort that spiraled out of control and into disaster in that vast region led to what I’ve called an “empire of chaos” and set a new kind of blowback on a path home, blowback that would change and distort the nature of American governance and society.

{I dunno... Seems more likely that the psychopaths INTENDED to "squander" all those trillions on warfare; that's what they wanted, what they like, the whole plan of PNAC. Didn't this guy read about PNAC??}

Now, 37 years after the first Afghan intervention and 15 years after the second one, in the wake of an American election, blowback from the war on terror -- its generals, its mindset, its manias, its urge to militarize everything -- has come home in a significant way. In fact, we just held what may someday be seen as our first 9/11-style election. And with it, with the various mad proposals to ban or register Muslims and the like, the literal war on terror is threatening to come home big time, too. Based on the last decade and a half of “results” in distant lands, that can’t be good news. (According to the latest report, for instance, fears of persecution are growing even among Muslims in the Pentagon, the CIA, and the Department of Homeland Security, and with Islamophobic sentiments already rampant inside the newly forming Trump administration, you can conclude that this won’t end well either.)

{I think his brain is working overtime to create a clever narrative to plaster over his bruised sensibilities that Clinton didn't win.}

History’s Deal-Breaker?

On September 12, 2001, you would have been hard put to guess just how the shock of the attacks of the previous day would play out in the U.S. and the world, so perhaps it’s idle to speculate on what the events of 11/8/16 will lead to in the years to come. Prediction’s a dicey business in the best of times, and the future ordinarily is a black hole. But one thing does seem likely amid the murk: with the generals (and other officials) who ran America’s failed wars these last years potentially dominating the national security structure of a future Trump administration, our empire of chaos (including perhaps regime change) will indeed have come home. It’s reasonable to think of the victory of Donald Trump and his brand of right-wing corporatist or billionaire “populism” and of the rising tide of white racism that has accompanied it as a 9/11-style shock to the body politic, even if it proves a slo-mo version of the original event.

As with 9/11, a long, blowback-ridden history preceded 11/8 and Donald Trump’s triumph. That history included the institutionalization of permanent war as a way of life in Washington, the growing independent power and preeminence of the national security state, the accompanying growth and institutionalization of the most oppressive powers of that state, including intrusive surveillance of almost every imaginable sort, the return from distant battlefields of the technology and mindset of permanent war, and the ability to assassinate whomever the White House chooses to kill (even an American citizen). In addition, in blowback terms, domestically you would need to include the results of the Supreme Court’s Citizens United decision of 2010, which helped release staggering amounts of corporate and 1%er funds from the engorged top of an increasingly unequal society into the political system (without which a billionaire running for president and a cabinet of billionaires and multimillionaires would have been inconceivable).

{I think the only way that "blowback" applies is as it is used above. The creation of terrorists, false flag ops, all that just isn't blowback, it's intended; they just use "blowback" as a "get out of jail free" card.}

As I wrote in early October, “a significant part of the white working class... feels as if, whether economically or psychologically, its back is up against the wall and there’s nowhere left to go... many of these voters have evidently decided that they’re ready to send a literal loose cannon into the White House; they’re willing, that is, to take a chance on the roof collapsing, even if it collapses on them.” Think of Donald Trump’s election, then, as the victory of the suicide bomber the white working class dispatched to the Oval Office to, as people now say politely, “shake things up.”

{A little dramatic.}

In a moment that, in so many senses, is filling with extremism and in which the jihadists of the national security state are clearly going to be riding high, it’s at least possible that election 2016 will prove the equivalent of a slow-motion coup in America. Donald Trump, like right-wing populists before him, has a temperament that could lend itself not only to demagoguery (as in the recent election campaign), but to an American version of authoritarianism, especially since in recent years, in terms of a loss of rights and the strengthening of government powers, the country has already moved in an autocratic direction, even if that’s been a little noted reality.

{Above and below makes one ask: if you are worried about authoritarianism, guess what, it arrived with Dubya and it just ain't going away. People sat around and let things happen then because they were terrified of terrorism - exactly as was wanted. So it's a little late to be closing the barn door. Heck, if you are so worried about all this stuff, why didn't you get active back when JFK was murdered in broad daylight? By your own government and its lackeys???}


Whatever Americans may have ushered in with the events of 11/8, one thing is increasingly certain about the country that Donald Trump will govern. Forget Vladimir Putin and his rickety petro-state: the most dangerous nation on the planet will now be ours. Led by a man who knows remarkably little, other than how to manipulate the media (on which he’s a natural-born genius) and, at least in part, by the frustrated generals from America’s war on terror, the United States is likely to be more extreme, belligerent, irrational, filled with manias, and heavily armed, its military funded to even greater levels no other country could come close to, and with staggering powers to intervene, interfere, and repress.

It’s not a pretty picture. And yet it’s just a lead-in to what, undoubtedly, should be considered the ultimate question in Donald Trump’s America: With both the CIA’s coup-making and the military’s regime-change traditions in mind, could the United States also overthrow a planet? If, as the head of what's already the world’s second largest greenhouse gas emitter, Trump carries out the future energy policies he promised during the election campaign -- climate-science funding torn up, climate agreements denounced or ignored, alternative energy development downplayed, pipelines green-lighted, fracking and other forms of fossil-fuel extraction further encouraged, and the U.S. fully reimagined as the Saudi Arabia of North America -- he will, in effect, be launching a regime-change action against Planet Earth.

{Oh... my... gawd. Yeah, this guy is certifiably clueless.}

All the rest of what a Trump administration might do, including ushering in a period of American autocracy, would be just part and parcel of human history. Autocracies come and go. Autocrats rise and die. Rebellions break out and fail. Democracies work and then don’t. Life goes on. Climate change is, however, none of that. It may be part of planetary history, but not of human history. It is instead history’s potential deal-breaker. What the Trump administration does to us in the years to come could prove a grim period to live through but a passing matter, at least when compared to the possible full-scale destabilization of life on Earth and of history as we’ve known it these last thousands of years.

{Yeah, climate change IS gonna be history's deal breaker - just not in the way you think or for the reasons you think.}

This would, of course, put 9/11 in the shade. The election victory of 11/8 might ultimately prove the shock of a lifetime, of any lifetime, for eons to come. That’s the danger we’ve faced since 11/8, and make no mistake, it could be devastating.

{Yup, clueless.}

Tom Engelhardt is a co-founder of the American Empire Project and the author of The United States of Fear as well as a history of the Cold War, The End of Victory Culture. He is a fellow of the Nation Institute and runs TomDispatch.com. His latest book is Shadow Government: Surveillance, Secret Wars, and a Global Security State in a Single-Superpower World.
 
adam7117 said:
Either way, as others have already mentioned, this recount business is rather puzzling. And methinks there is a slight chance of the "man behind the curtain" becoming exposed as a result of this exercise. Sure, that female psychopath could get back in - but maybe, just maybe, the outcome will be unexpectedly different.

I feel that it's unlikely that the 'man behind the curtain' is revealed when things are done correctly, only when they are being done incorrectly. A lot of people went to a lot of effort to flip back the curtain enough to see how bad Hillary is, but she's only the tip of a very large iceberg. She's supported by a system that is rotten to the core, at the very least, and at it's very worst, evil.
 
Laura said:
That's too simplistic. Assange could be "cointelpro" by virtue of having stuff fed to him that he and his peeps think is legit.

I guess that depends on who feeds him the stuff and who checks it and what their methods are. After four and a half years of living in captivity, a virtual prisoner, as well as being 'Public Enemy No. 1' of many Western Governments, he's probably more than a little suspicious about what motivates people by now. They have to pick the right way to manipulate him, or they have to assassinate him, like Hillary suggested.
 

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