E-cigarettes: research - experiments - ideas

broken.english · Sep 12, 2024

Breo said:
Which ones have you used or prefer? I am interested, if there possibly are different health benefits in the salts, as I noticed that adding this one made a difference for me, (could be individual, like with supplements :)
I searched for science based articles on their medicinal properties. Up to now I only found "tasty" viping descriptions.
Do you know if this topic is less researchd?

So far I am only using vitamin C + baking soda = ascorbate. No problems for me and I do not perceive it as harsh. But, as we already know from this thread, this is a highly individual matter.

A good candidate for you(and possibly Chu, Scottie and...) could be malic acid/malate as you describe it as mild and tolerate it well. Nicotine binds to malic acid in tobacco leaves.

As for medicinal and other properties it is easier to find information by looking up the acids, not the salts, e.g. malic acid instead of malate. All the nic salts from your earlier post have acids that play a role in our body chemistry. However, I would not expect any remarkable positive health effect from any of these as the liquids are heated which will lead to some degradation.

Salicylic acid is not for everybody. Some people do not tolerate it well, according to the Weston A. Price foundation.

Breo said:
Good to know. Could you please post links?

Ebay.de: malic acid = Äpfelsäure

Breo said:
! It would be great to find out more for all about healthy mixtures. How can I be of help?

Do you have a lab coat? :-D

987baz · Sep 13, 2024

Sigh.. so now we won’t be able to get 100ml Nic or freebase nicotine .. they don’t want us to be able to make our own … I bought 400ml so that will last a while but it looks like they want us to pay more and have less, the rumour is that you will be able to buy 20mg only at the same price but we will see .. $38 aus dollars for 100ml

From the pharmacy

Dear Valued Patients,

As you may already know, some important changes to vaping laws in Australia have taken effect.

We regret to inform you that once we have sold out of our current stock, we will no longer be able to offer Mixology 100mg/ml in both Salt and Freebase.

We understand that this is disappointing news. Rest assured; we are committed to offering high-quality products to comply with legislations, serving you with our wide range of other products that meets your needs.

I’m guessing all this nonsense will be coming to everyone at some point .. they really don’t want us to have nicotine

broken.english · Sep 17, 2024

Germany: no more Paypal for vendors of tobacco leaves, only direct remittance in advance possible

EU: extension of smoking and vaping ban outdoors in public places like bus stops, outdoor cafés in preparation

987baz · Sep 19, 2024

broken.english said:
Germany: no more Paypal for vendors of tobacco leaves, only direct remittance in advance possible

EU: extension of smoking and vaping ban outdoors in public places like bus stops, outdoor cafés in preparation

Yup, they hate nicotine, more of this to come I would say.

@broken.english what are your thoughts on glass bottles for mixing and storage for vaping? I ordered some from Aliexpress, but they say they wont be delivered until November!! sigh .. sometimes living in the ass end of the world is annoying :lol:

I think I might have to source some local ones or at least use amazon or ebay as the delivery times are a lot less .. while searching I found some glass bottles instead of the plastic ones and was wondering if this is a good idea or stick to the plastic ones?

broken.english · Sep 19, 2024

987baz said:
@broken.english what are your thoughts on glass bottles for mixing and storage for vaping?

Glass bottles are fine for storage. I am using brown glass bottles.

For filling of your atomizer you might need a squeeze bottle with a tip made of plastic.

987baz · Sep 20, 2024

broken.english said:
Glass bottles are fine for storage. I am using brown glass bottles.

For filling of your atomizer you might need a squeeze bottle with a tip made of plastic.

Thanks mate, yeah that makes sense. I received 2 Litres of PG and 2 Litres of VG today, so now I have my nicotine salt (4 x 100mg@30ml) and I am just waiting on the bottles and measureing stuff to start making my own :)

I am used to vaping now and quite enjoy it, I found that the lower wattage and the coils that go with that have made a big difference to me.

Currently the mix I have is 30mg nicotine, ut my plan is to make some at 20mg and some at 10mg as the 30 is a tad strong. On one of the reddit forums for Aussie vapers one member was kind enough to give me a breakdown of how to mix a 20mg mix which I have posted below, so I assume to make a 10mg mix I would just have 10mls of nicotine and add that 10mls to the pg so it would be 50 VG, 40 PG ad 10 Nicotine ..

broken.english · Sep 20, 2024

987baz said:
Thanks mate, yeah that makes sense. I received 2 Litres of PG and 2 Litres of VG today, so now I have my nicotine salt (4 x 100mg@30ml) and I am just waiting on the bottles and measureing stuff to start making my own :)

I am used to vaping now and quite enjoy it, I found that the lower wattage and the coils that go with that have made a big difference to me.

Currently the mix I have is 30mg nicotine, ut my plan is to make some at 20mg and some at 10mg as the 30 is a tad strong. On one of the reddit forums for Aussie vapers one member was kind enough to give me a breakdown of how to mix a 20mg mix which I have posted below, so I assume to make a 10mg mix I would just have 10mls of nicotine and add that 10mls to the pg so it would be 50 VG, 40 PG ad 10 Nicotine .. View attachment 101557

A masterpiece, I have to admit! ;-)

broken.english · Sep 24, 2024

Use of malic acid/malate for DIY nicotine salts

Just a few days ago malic acid looked quite interesting as a component in DIY nicotine salts. Unfortunately it seems to have a negative effect on the binding of nicotine to the acetylcholine receptors, a matter of great importance.

Here is what the KI of my search engine has to say:

Binding of malic acid to nicotine

The binding of malic acid (malic acid) to nicotine is a chemical interaction related to the nicotinic acetylcholine receptors (nicotinic receptors). These receptors are located at the junctions between nerves and muscles (motor endplates) and in the peripheral nervous system and central nervous system.

Malic acid can bind to the nicotinic acetylcholine receptors by attaching to the same binding sites as nicotine. This occurs because malic acid has a similar structure to nicotine and therefore competitively inhibits nicotine binding. This binding can inhibit the activation of the receptors by nicotine.

However, it is important to note that the binding of malic acid to nicotinic receptors has not yet been adequately studied and its specific properties and consequences for physiology and pathology are not yet fully understood.
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Until further notice I will stick with vitamin C + baking soda.

987baz · Sep 26, 2024

I got an email today from a chinese company that flashgordonv recommended saying that they are resuming deliveries to Australia!!
Just sent them an email to confirm. Will report back for any other Aussies wanting to buy direct rather than going through the "pharmacies"

@flashgordonv how is your eztube going? and is this the one you got? Innokin EZ Tube Zenith Minimal 40W Kit

I've gotten used to the Vapresso Lux Max, with .08ohm coil at 16w but would like to try a tank one like the above as I think it would be better in the long run to get rid of the pods (especially if they are harder to source as they are atm)

My bottles for mixing are supposed to be arriving today or tomorrow, so I can begin to make my own mixes, will try to mix a 10mg batch to see how that goes.

irjO · Sep 26, 2024

987baz said:
Thanks mate, yeah that makes sense. I received 2 Litres of PG and 2 Litres of VG today, so now I have my nicotine salt (4 x 100mg@30ml) and I am just waiting on the bottles and measureing stuff to start making my own :)

I am used to vaping now and quite enjoy it, I found that the lower wattage and the coils that go with that have made a big difference to me.

Currently the mix I have is 30mg nicotine, ut my plan is to make some at 20mg and some at 10mg as the 30 is a tad strong. On one of the reddit forums for Aussie vapers one member was kind enough to give me a breakdown of how to mix a 20mg mix which I have posted below, so I assume to make a 10mg mix I would just have 10mls of nicotine and add that 10mls to the pg so it would be 50 VG, 40 PG ad 10 Nicotine .. View attachment 101557

How is it possible that I could understand this picture better compare to the entire thread? Lol I’m definitely a visual learner!

Jokes aside, so far I prefer the small vape than the big one I got in the first place. And I’m switching between that and tobacco pipe, vaping when inside and pipe smoking when outside, I found a middle ground for me.

987baz · Sep 26, 2024

irjO said:
How is it possible that I could understand this picture better compare to the entire thread? Lol I’m definitely a visual learner!

Jokes aside, so far I prefer the small vape than the big one I got in the first place. And I’m switching between that and tobacco pipe, vaping when inside and pipe smoking when outside, I found a middle ground for me.

haha yeah it took me a little bit to understand it too and the visual definitely helped solidify it :)

That's it really, finding what works for each of us, glad you found your middle ground!

broken.english · Sep 29, 2024

Golden week in China

It is a holiday week starting tomorrow. Many shops will offer discounts. From my experience a good opportunity to collect some DIY stuff like
- atomizers
- batteries
- cotton wicks
- coil mesh and wire made of 316l stainless steel
- micro scale
- pH meter or strips
- 521 tab (measures coil resistance and fires up the coil to check on hot spots
- coil jigs/tool kits
a.s.o.

987baz · Sep 29, 2024

What’s the best way to store the Nic salt long term? They’re about to ban the 100mg 100ml bottles so I thinking of buying another 4 that will give me 800mls which should, if my calculations are correct last me years (100ml @ 100mg, per litre) so if I buy another four that’s 8 litres. 10mg strength) given that I think I should average about 30-40ml a month. Anyhow I read that people store it in the freezer, not sure though, anyone had experience with longer term storage?

broken.english · Sep 29, 2024

987baz said:
What’s the best way to store the Nic salt long term?

Cool and dark will be best.

987baz said:
Anyhow I read that people store it in the freezer, not sure though, anyone had experience with longer term storage?

Nicotine itself degrades very slowly and can be stored for years.

Some salts can degrade when diluted in a liquid, for example baking soda in water. In your case the liquid is an alcohol so the nic salt should be quite stable over longer time. Even my own DIY liquid, a nic salt with ascorbate and 50% water content has been stable over several years under normal room conditions. What gets lost over time is flavour.

A freezer or fridge may be of additional help but how much I cannot say.

broken.english · Oct 1, 2024

I just finished my shopping tour at Aliexpress. It was a long one. Maybe it will help some of you if I post some of the items that I need for my DIY work or found attractive enough to order.

Cotton materials for wicks:

180 Stück hoch wasser absorbierende Watte pads 60x50mm Reinigungs pflaster Reinigungs werkzeug Zubehör - AliExpress 1420