E-cigarettes: research - experiments - ideas

I found a 5 minute video that describes the tobacco extraction process using a cool low-tech DIY distillation method. Looks somewhat easier than messing around with olive oil and vitamin C! My coil unfortunately plugged up pretty quickly after using my homemade batch, so I may try this method next.

 
iamthatis said:
I found a 5 minute video that describes the tobacco extraction process using a cool low-tech DIY distillation method.
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Would be interesting to learn how it goes and if tobacco flavours are still present after distillation. I am a bit worried about this.

iamthatis said:
My coil unfortunately plugged up pretty quickly after using my homemade batch,
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My main suspect is insufficient filtration of the flavour extract. My coils last forever.
 
iamthatis said:
I found a 5 minute video that describes the tobacco extraction process using a cool low-tech DIY distillation method. Looks somewhat easier than messing around with olive oil and vitamin C! My coil unfortunately plugged up pretty quickly after using my homemade batch, so I may try this method next.
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Thank you, that´s really low tech. Do you know what is the sodium carbonate/water/tobacco ratio before distilling? In the video its a bit vague. Probably the plastic hose for destillation should be BPA free, something like that?
 
Breo said:
Thank you, that´s really low tech. Do you know what is the sodium carbonate/water/tobacco ratio before distilling? In the video its a bit vague. Probably the plastic hose for destillation should be BPA free, something like that?
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Not sure, but one could guess based on the size of his containers used. I'd say about 1 quart jar (~1 L) full of tobacco. That's probably around 50 - 60g. Then around 1 L of boiling water, adding heaping teaspoons of carbonate and stirring until it stops dissolving. He added four. He didn't end up using all of the carbonate water anyways, just enough to saturate the tobacco jar. It doesn't look to be a scientifically specific method. But one could measure all that out somewhat easily.

And yeah, it would be best to use a tube without plastic, that's a good point. Maybe metal piping? Copper tubing is bendable, and copper is protective in the 'energetic' sense, though I don't know how its conductivity would affect the distillation...
 
iamthatis said:
Not sure, but one could guess based on the size of his containers used. I'd say about 1 quart jar (~1 L) full of tobacco. That's probably around 50 - 60g. Then around 1 L of boiling water, adding heaping teaspoons of carbonate and stirring until it stops dissolving. He added four. He didn't end up using all of the carbonate water anyways, just enough to saturate the tobacco jar. It doesn't look to be a scientifically specific method. But one could measure all that out somewhat easily.
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Fine with me, to be figured out : )

iamthatis said:
And yeah, it would be best to use a tube without plastic, that's a good point. Maybe metal piping? Copper tubing is bendable, and copper is protective in the 'energetic' sense, though I don't know how its conductivity would affect the distillation...
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Copper tubes could go very well. Copper is used for stills, also for essential oils and hydrolats, because of its many positive properties.
 
After initial week's withdrawal of cigarette and replacement with Vape, I got tempted back to the cigarettes. I gave some break to Vape. Shop guy says it may be related to Tar addiction rather than nicotine addiction.

If I starts to vape back, I was getting sneezing and this article says it may be related to nicotine allergy. Yesterday I felt my throat constraint too as if what ever is swallowed is hanging around throat. Probably I smoked excessively yesterday mostly cigarettes' and in between vaping ( in an attempt to get back to vaping) that contributed to sneezing, some running nose, throat closing, heightened alertness and some anxiety.

I felt this form of throat constraint in milder form before I started Vaping and it seems to have reduced after vaping. I have some self discipline issues going on to get rid of cigarettes. Probably I shouldn't mix Cigarettes and Vaping. Vaping has lot concentrated nicotine.

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Nicotine allergy: What it is, symptoms, diagnosis, and treatment

For some people, smoking or taking nicotine products, such as cigarettes or vapes, can elicit an allergy-like reaction. This can include watery eyes, runny nose, sneezing, and hives. Learn more.
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For some people, smoking or consuming nicotine products, such as cigarettes or vapes, can elicit an allergy-like reaction. This can include watery eyes, runny nose, sneezing, and hives.

Nicotine triggers the stimulation of the central nervous system and the release of the excitatory hormone adrenaline. This has different effects in the body, including:

  • increased saliva production
  • heightened mood
  • alertness
  • increased heart rate and blood pressure
  • suppressed appetite
Read on to learn more about what a nicotine allergy is, its symptoms, and how to manage it.

What is a nicotine allergy?

Nicotine can elicit an allergic response in individuals with a nicotine allergy. This occurs when a person’s immune system mistakenlyTrusted Source attacks the body like it would with a bacteria or virus.

Having a nicotine allergy is relatively common. According to a small 2018 study, 7% of smokers and 20% of non-smokers were found to have a nicotine allergy. However, this study only included 30 participants.

In some cases, a nicotine allergy can worsen existing health conditions. For example, if a person with a nicotine allergy wears a nicotine patch, it may trigger contact dermatitis.

Symptoms​

A person who develops a nicotine allergy can experience symptoms ranging from mild to severe. The severity can depend on the amount of allergen they come into contact with and their sensitivity to nicotine.

The symptoms a person with a nicotine allergy may notice include:
In some cases, a person may experience more severe allergic reactions.

Anaphylaxis is a severe allergic reaction involving a combination of allergy responses. These can include itching and swollen hands, eyes, lips, or feet. Anaphylaxis requires immediate medical attention.

Certain types of tobacco are more likely than others to cause severe reactions. According to research from 2018, nicotine from unprocessed tobacco causes a stronger allergic response than nicotine from commercial cigarettes.

Anaphylaxis: Symptoms and what to do​

Anaphylaxis is a severe allergic reaction that can be life threatening. The symptoms develop suddenly and include:
  • hives
  • swelling of the face or mouth
  • wheezing
  • fast, shallow breathing
  • a fast heart rate
  • clammy skin
  • anxiety or confusion
  • dizziness
  • vomiting
  • blue or white lips
  • fainting or loss of consciousness
If someone has these symptoms:
  1. Check whether they are carrying an epinephrine pen. If they are, follow the instructions on the side of the pen to use it.
  2. Dial 911 or the number of the nearest emergency department.
  3. Lay the person down from a standing position. If they have vomited, turn them onto their side.
  4. Stay with them until the emergency services arrive.
Some people may need more than one epinephrine injection. If the symptoms do not improve in 5–15 minutes, or they come back, use a second pen if the person has one.

Diagnosis​

The most common method of determining if a person has an allergy to nicotine is a skin prick test. This involves exposing a patch of skin to a small quantity of the allergen through a skin prick.

Complications​

Symptoms of an allergic response to nicotine can appear similar to other, more serious complications.

Nicotine overdose​

It is possible to overdose on nicotine. When a nicotine overdose occurs, it can appear similar to an allergic reaction. However, an overdose is often more serious and requires immediate medical attention.

According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), 50–60 milligrams (mg)Trusted Source of nicotine is a fatal dose for an adult weighing 150 pounds.

Typically, there is approximately 1 mg of nicotine per commercial cigarette. As a result, it would be difficult to overdose by smoking alone.

However, the risk may be higher for people who vape. One pod of vaping fluid can contain as much nicotine as one pack of commercial cigarettes.

Symptoms of a nicotine overdose include:
  • nausea
  • headache
  • heavy, labored breathing
  • loss of appetite
  • shallow breathing
  • slow heart rate
  • diarrhea

Drug interactions​

Some prescription medications can interact with nicotine.

However, in most cases, nicotine reduces their effectiveness. This can occur with medications such as:
  • acetaminophen (Tylenol)
  • naproxen (Aleve)
  • ibuprofen (Advil)
  • benzodiazepines, such as diazepam (Valium)
  • warfarin (Coumadin)

Treatment and management​

The most effective way to treat a nicotine allergy is to avoid nicotine. Stopping smoking, inhaling vapes, or wearing nicotine patches is the healthiest way to prevent symptoms of a nicotine allergy.

If a person experiences severe symptoms from a nicotine allergy and is sensitive to secondhand smoke, they should consider carrying an Epi-Pen. This can help prevent life threatening reactions, such as anaphylaxis.

When to contact a doctor​

A person should contact an allergist if they notice any of the following symptoms of nicotine allergy:
  • frequent congestion
  • difficulty breathing
  • signs of asthma
  • other allergy symptoms

Summary​

If a person notices allergy-like symptoms while smoking or after exposure to nicotine products, they may have a nicotine allergy. An allergist will need to perform a diagnostic test to determine if nicotine is the cause of their symptoms. This may involve a skin prick test.

Avoiding nicotine products is the healthiest and easiest way to prevent symptoms.
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After purchasing a new vehicle, I added vaping into the mix so I wasn't burning my seats randomly or throwing ashes everywhere while driving. I set out to find a decent/clean e-liquid and Black Note seemed to fit the bill without me attempting to make my own extracts. So far I like the Burley Nic Salt the best (5%). I coupled it with a Vaporesso XROS 4 and 1.2ohm pods. The vaporesso unit has an adjustable airflow which is great because I seem to choke myself up on the vape compared to a cigarette. I still RYO but the vape unit is great for driving and/or discreetly keeping nicotine rolling where smoking is prohibited.
 
seek10 said:
I felt this form of throat constraint in milder form before I started Vaping and it seems to have reduced after vaping. I have some self discipline issues going on to get rid of cigarettes. Probably I shouldn't mix Cigarettes and Vaping. Vaping has lot concentrated nicotine.
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I hope you find what is right for you! But if before, when ONLY smoking it was milder, maybe it's a combination of factors? I'm thinking: a) an allergy to some ingredient in the e-liquid, and b) too much nicotine at once if you don't have the dose you actually need in your vape, and you're smoking. Maybe you're one of those people who would do best with just 1 or a few actual cigarettes a day, and no vaping? Or, alternatively, only vaping, or just nicotine patches? I would say, continue experimenting and record it on a journal (both what you did and the effects), until you're happy with the results. :-)
 
Chu said:
I hope you find what is right for you! But if before, when ONLY smoking it was milder, maybe it's a combination of factors? I'm thinking: a) an allergy to some ingredient in the e-liquid, and b) too much nicotine at once if you don't have the dose you actually need in your vape, and you're smoking. Maybe you're one of those people who would do best with just 1 or a few actual cigarettes a day, and no vaping? Or, alternatively, only vaping, or just nicotine patches? I would say, continue experimenting and record it on a journal (both what you did and the effects), until you're happy with the results. :-)
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So do I Seek10,

But it may also be a habit situation, because vaping isn't finite as a cigarette is. Personally, I've been trying vaping and one of the biggest things I've discovered is that the smoking experience is a whole thing. Grinding, rolling, lightning up, the smell, the sensations, sounds, the crimson light... and then the end. And with vape, I do not get any of that at all, so when I vape, I vape a lot and more frequent than I would when I smoke once every two hours or so, which means I am consuming a lot more nicotine which does have an effect, but I still miss smoking, not because of the nicotine but because of the experience and the finality of a cigarette, and I think it's that.. the lack of conclusion that has lead me, when trying to mainly vape, to smoke a cig, which means even a lot more nicotine and my throat has felt irritated as a result.

So, maybe when you vape, see if timing it as you would a cigarette helps. Instead of continuously vaping, vape for several minutes and then stop for a few hours.?

Another thing I've noticed, and this was because I got sick for about a week (not related to vaping) and didn't vape, but didn't change the liquid, when I went to try to vape again, I noticed that it was green! I asked around and turns out that the liquid can oxidize, and that I am sure can change the taste and the effect it has, so the liquid on the pod, how old is it and how close to the regular liquid does it look? I may also be matter of cleaning up the liquid in the pod and use only fresh ones.
 
Alejo said:
So, maybe when you vape, see if timing it as you would a cigarette helps. Instead of continuously vaping, vape for several minutes and then stop for a few hours.?
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I agree with Alejo here seek10, fwiw, what I do is have two different nicotine strengths (I use two devices or you could use two different pods etc). One, which I use at work because I can only get out every few hours is 30mg of Salt Nicotine, which I can have a puff of for a few minutes, the other, which I use at home when I can vape more is only 10mg salt Nicotine, so I can vape more and not get the nicotine headache. I am going to try try a few other strengths to see which one works the best for me as the 30mg is a tad strong, so I think 20mg might be the sweet spot.
 
Alejo said:
when I went to try to vape again, I noticed that it was green!
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I read about similar cases but it is not a general problem.

What are the ingredients of your liquid? Are there any flavours in it?

Alejo said:
I asked around and turns out that the liquid can oxidize, and that I am sure can change the taste and the effect it has, so the liquid on the pod, how old is it and how close to the regular liquid does it look? I may also be matter of cleaning up the liquid in the pod and use only fresh ones.
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Nicotine, pg and vg are rock stable and will last for years under normal circumstances. My guess is a bacterial or fungal infection of the pod or the liquid bottle.
 
I did observed similar to you guys mentioned. I am little time constrained to make my own liquid and so use commercial one.
- Some liquids gives me sneezing immediately.
- Some liquids go bad with in a week and needs replacement along with coils.
- Even the liquids that didn't gave sneezing before gives me If my smoking is more.
- The whole experience of cigarette making is some thing I am missing If I switch to vape. Cigarette making is something like a little break from what I am doing , because I tend to do it mostly in front of computer while working on it.

When my kids were with me for few days, I tend to skip smoking and nothing shattering happens. Probably, I don't need that much nicotine. Still habit change takes time I guess.

Interestingly my XROS 4 stopped getting charged and no longer working. But i had another one, I can use. To day only used regular cigarettes to give some break from what ever reaction I had yesterday.

One of my friend told me that, it takes a 3 to 4 weeks not touching cigarette to avoid cigarette craving. I think I need discipline my self to do it. Probably I was not that motivated I guess.

At least this is like little wake up type of thing to reduce smoking and not to take it granted. I will experiment to see which one works. I will document it as Chu suggested.

Thank you all for suggestions.
 
Alejo said:
Personally, I've been trying vaping and one of the biggest things I've discovered is that the smoking experience is a whole thing. Grinding, rolling, lightning up, the smell, the sensations, sounds, the crimson light... and then the end. And with vape, I do not get any of that at all, so when I vape, I vape a lot and more frequent than I would when I smoke once every two hours or so, which means I am consuming a lot more nicotine which does have an effect, but I still miss smoking, not because of the nicotine but because of the experience and the finality of a cigarette, and I think it's that.. the lack of conclusion that has lead me, when trying to mainly vape, to smoke a cig, which means even a lot more nicotine and my throat has felt irritated as a result.
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Agreed with this. It's the ritual of making the cigarette, going outside, taking a break from work, and enjoying nature briefly. I only smoke outdoors so it's a bit of a grounding experience as well. I don't get that with vaping. I try to limit the vape to only certain areas like driving, stuck on a work call, etc and keep the real smokes for everything else.
 
seek10 said:
- Some liquids go bad with in a week and needs replacement along with coils.
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It just dawned on me that there can be another reason for liquids going bad:

Synthetic nicotine - derived from other plants than tobacco such as nightshade plants. It must be purified very thoroughly. Otherwise there will be decomposing plant matter in the liquid. If it happens I would avoid this brand for the foreseeable future.
 
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