Egypt Boiling Over

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http://www.adnkronos.com/IGN/Aki/English/Security/Egypt-Presidents-son-and-family-have-fled-to-the-UK_311591050596.html

http://fedupmontrealer.blogspot.com/2011/01/egypt-boiling-over.html

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I was just looking on google trends (after seeing "pole shift" having a spike recently, as per Ryan X's article on sott), and noticed that Egypt is searching for "2011" the most:

http://www.google.com/trends?q=2011&ctab=0&geo=all&date=all&sort=0

I thought it was odd and made a mental note to look out for something significant happening to/in/regarding Egypt this year, so this is definitely interesting. Perhaps Brazil is next?

Insonesia likes 2012, South Korea is interested in 2013, and Brazil is all about 2014. Maybe political/sporting events though..

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Interesting piece by Fisk:

_http://www.readersupportednews.org/off-site-opinion-section/133-133/4753-a-new-truth-dawns

Robert Fisk: A new truth dawns on the Arab world

Leaked Palestinian files have put a region in revolutionary mood

The Palestine Papers are as damning as the Balfour Declaration. The Palestinian "Authority" – one has to put this word in quotation marks – was prepared, and is prepared to give up the "right of return" of perhaps seven million refugees to what is now Israel for a "state" that may be only 10 per cent (at most) of British mandate Palestine.

And as these dreadful papers are revealed, the Egyptian people are calling for the downfall of President Mubarak, and the Lebanese are appointing a prime minister who will supply the Hezbollah. Rarely has the Arab world seen anything like this.

To start with the Palestine Papers, it is clear that the representatives of the Palestinian people were ready to destroy any hope of the refugees going home.
 
Seems to me that the only reason that these protests in Tunisia and Egypt are proving successful is because the US has dropped support of those particular dictatorships. In years gone by, similar rebellions would have been, and were, brutally suppressed by the regime (by way of the military) because it was given assurances by the US (and sometimes the UK) that their support would continue. Indeed, in years gone by, the CIA would have already been in Tunisia and Egypt for months, re-organizing the military command and in general directing the burgeoning "revolution" to ensure the right outcome. As to why the US has dropped its support of such regimes: they know that there are major earth changes in the pipeline that will make such revolutions insignificant.
 
Perceval said:
Seems to me that the only reason that these protests in Tunisia and Egypt are proving successful is because the US has dropped support of those particular dictatorships.

My thoughts as well. I think what we see here is another final scene of a puppet who was thinking that he was indispensable for his psychopathic masters. Also, wikileaks released just today Cairo cables, some of them show antidemocratic aspects of Egyptian government. Hmm, coincidence ? I think this is another clue about wikileaks.
 
Perceval said:
Seems to me that the only reason that these protests in Tunisia and Egypt are proving successful is because the US has dropped support of those particular dictatorships. In years gone by, similar rebellions would have been, and were, brutally suppressed by the regime (by way of the military) because it was given assurances by the US (and sometimes the UK) that their support would continue. Indeed, in years gone by, the CIA would have already been in Tunisia and Egypt for months, re-organizing the military command and in general directing the burgeoning "revolution" to ensure the right outcome. As to why the US has dropped its support of such regimes: they know that there are major earth changes in the pipeline that will make such revolutions insignificant.

The revolution is being broadcast live at Al Jazeera. It is an awesome display of the controllers ability to manipulate events or at least to appear to be all powerful and benevolent. The western elites do not care who rules on the ground as long as they control media and finance. Thierry Meyssan has a interesting article on intelligence agencies unrolling the color revolution template in the lands of Islam at _http://www.voltairenet.org/article168224.html. His perspective parallels Perceval's, except for "major earth changes".
 
The Israeli and American stance on these events is disturbing to me. Looking at it without even taking earth changes into account...this is happening in several countries simultaneously. The number of people engaging in the uprisings are surprising even to the people -in- them. Mubarak has spent the last 30 years enjoying the support of the US and Israel, thinking that his back is covered, and suddenly, it is not. The tactics are suspiciously reminiscent of similar Zionist maneuvers. Control the mob...but to what end?

What better way to put Israel back in the "beleaguered and helpless" corner...in this time when Israel is in the spotlight more than ever for their human rights violations in Palestine, when countries around the world are beginning to recognize Palestine as a sovereign nation by upgrading their missions to embassies, and a US senator proposes cutting $3B sent to Israel for their defense. Who benefits from these apparent "people power" events? I believe Israel is sparking these revolts, so they will be surrounded by volatile new fundamentalist Islamic regimes, for the sole purpose of projecting the illusion of "defenselessness" that they've used repeatedly in the past to justify aggressions. Oh, and $3B (or more) a year doesn't hurt, either.
 
Well, what has been on my mind for a few weeks now, since the moves by several countries to recognise a Palestinian state, is that Israel is being cut loose by the power that be. It was unmistakable, for me anyway, when I saw the near simultaneous recognition of Palestine and the wave of revolts in Arab nations. Both of these are undoubtedly felt as a serious threat by the Israelis. Since we know that nothing happens in politics by accident, it seems that "word" went out that it was time to cut the Israelis off. There are probably a few different reasons for this, but at least one is likely to be the progressive and strategic dismantling of the US imperial infrastructure - both economic and military (covert and overt) - in preparation for the expected earth change chaos ahead, including food riots across the world. Indeed, there is evidence now that, as regards Tunisia and Egypt (and probably the Arab world in general) the US has done a complete 'about face' and instead of propping up tin pot dictators in the Arab world, they are actively dismantling them:

Egypt protests: America's secret backing for rebel leaders behind uprising

The American government secretly backed leading figures behind the Egyptian uprising who have been planning “regime change” for the past three years

The American Embassy in Cairo helped a young dissident attend a US-sponsored summit for activists in New York, while working to keep his identity secret from Egyptian state police.

On his return to Cairo in December 2008, the activist told US diplomats that an alliance of opposition groups had drawn up a plan to overthrow President Hosni Mubarak and install a democratic government in 2011.

While all of this MIGHT sound like good news from the point of view of those who have long wished to see the Israelis called to account and more freedom in the Arab world, it is in fact a very dangerous move because the Israelis have always made it clear that if they were ever to feel "existentially threatened" they would take as much of the world with them as possible. Recent developments vis a vis Palestinian statehood and Arab nationalism are undoubtedly seriously threatening the existentialist core of the Zionist state.
 
Perceval said:
While all of this MIGHT sound like good news from the point of view of those who have long wished to see the Israelis called to account and more freedom in the Arab world, it is in fact a very dangerous move because the Israelis have always made it clear that if they were ever to feel "existentially threatened" they would take as much of the world with them as possible. Recent developments vis a vis Palestinian statehood and Arab nationalism are undoubtedly seriously threatening the existentialist core of the Zionist state.

Yes, and as influential as Israel is in the US, UK and elsewhere, there is already a world government, and Israel is, and always was, just a pawn of that government. It is disturbing that some bloggers are already waving the victory flag and rejoicing over the turn of events in these Arab countries. The show is just getting started however.

The Cs have indicated that we only have about five years left - and that was a year and a half ago.
 
Mark said:
Perceval said:
While all of this MIGHT sound like good news from the point of view of those who have long wished to see the Israelis called to account and more freedom in the Arab world, it is in fact a very dangerous move because the Israelis have always made it clear that if they were ever to feel "existentially threatened" they would take as much of the world with them as possible. Recent developments vis a vis Palestinian statehood and Arab nationalism are undoubtedly seriously threatening the existentialist core of the Zionist state.

Yes, and as influential as Israel is in the US, UK and elsewhere, there is already a world government, and Israel is, and always was, just a pawn of that government. It is disturbing that some bloggers are already waving the victory flag and rejoicing over the turn of events in these Arab countries. The show is just getting started however.

The Cs have indicated that we only have about five years left - and that was a year and a half ago.

Yeah, I agree and it is definitely getting a little scary these days. Maybe we're about to enter the time period the C's have remarked would be "very interesting". Well... it sure looks pretty "interesting" already! What I find amazing is that so few here in the US have any idea at all that this is going on.
 
Richard S said:
Mark said:
Perceval said:
While all of this MIGHT sound like good news from the point of view of those who have long wished to see the Israelis called to account and more freedom in the Arab world, it is in fact a very dangerous move because the Israelis have always made it clear that if they were ever to feel "existentially threatened" they would take as much of the world with them as possible. Recent developments vis a vis Palestinian statehood and Arab nationalism are undoubtedly seriously threatening the existentialist core of the Zionist state.

Yes, and as influential as Israel is in the US, UK and elsewhere, there is already a world government, and Israel is, and always was, just a pawn of that government. It is disturbing that some bloggers are already waving the victory flag and rejoicing over the turn of events in these Arab countries. The show is just getting started however.

The Cs have indicated that we only have about five years left - and that was a year and a half ago.

Yeah, I agree and it is definitely getting a little scary these days. Maybe we're about to enter the time period the C's have remarked would be "very interesting". Well... it sure looks pretty "interesting" already! What I find amazing is that so few here in the US have any idea at all that this is going on.

That's the thing, it's only interesting for those who have an idea of the dynamics going on behind it, otherwise it's sort of chaotic and perplexing and scary.
 
WhiteBear said:
What better way to put Israel back in the "beleaguered and helpless" corner...in this time when Israel is in the spotlight more than ever for their human rights violations in Palestine, when countries around the world are beginning to recognize Palestine as a sovereign nation by upgrading their missions to embassies, and a US senator proposes cutting $3B sent to Israel for their defense. Who benefits from these apparent "people power" events? I believe Israel is sparking these revolts, so they will be surrounded by volatile new fundamentalist Islamic regimes, for the sole purpose of projecting the illusion of "defenselessness" that they've used repeatedly in the past to justify aggressions. Oh, and $3B (or more) a year doesn't hurt, either.

Well, that may be the case, but to be honest, I think even the Israelis realise that the last thing they need is more enemies (real or illusory). The loss of Mubarak for a democratic and nationalist government in Egypt would be a real blow to Israel. I understand what you are saying, that they could actually benefit from a worsening of Israeli Arab relations, but they have always tried to ensure that those bad relations were under their control and that the "threat" while broadcast as real, was in fact largely illusory.

The fact that the CIA have been involved in the effort to oust Mubarak (and it really looks like he will go at this stage) and their likely involvement in Tunisia, along with the sudden and rather inexplicable multiple recognitions of Palestinian statehood and the fact that the US has clearly never been interested in playing ball with Israel's "Iran is a threat to the world" shtick, strongly suggests that the Israelis are being cut loose. As I mentioned, the Zionists will NOT react well if they think that the scenario they have so often predicted and so often used to 'morally' blackmail the world - the world turning against them - is about to become manifest.

Some really 'deep' maneuvers are being made here - they're biblical, eschatological - and it really is interesting to watch it play out and spot the places where the plans of ptb go awry.
 
The Protocols kept popping into my head as I watched the events unfold recently. I've been re-reading them and thought that these might be relevant, in light of current events.

Protocols said:
Protocol No. 10

4. WHEN WE HAVE ACCOMPLISHED OUR COUP D'ETAT WE SHALL SAY THEN TO THE VARIOUS PEOPLES: "EVERYTHING HAS GONE TERRIBLY BADLY, ALL HAVE BEEN WORN OUT WITH SUFFERING. WE ARE DESTROYING THE CAUSES OF YOUR TORMENT - NATIONALITIES, FRONTIERS, DIFFERENCES OF COINAGES. YOU ARE AT LIBERTY, OF COURSE, TO PRONOUNCE SENTENCE UPON US, BUT CAN IT POSSIBLY BE A JUST ONE IF IT IS CONFIRMED BY YOU BEFORE YOU MAKE ANY TRIAL OF WHAT WE ARE OFFERING YOU." ... THEN WILL THE MOB EXALT US AND BEAR US UP IN THEIR HANDS IN A UNANIMOUS TRIUMPH OF HOPES AND EXPECTATIONS. VOTING, WHICH WE HAVE MADE THE INSTRUMENT WHICH WILL SET US ON THE THRONE OF THE WORLD BY TEACHING EVEN THE VERY SMALLEST UNITS OF MEMBERS OF THE HUMAN RACE TO VOTE BY MEANS OF MEETINGS AND AGREEMENTS BY GROUPS, WILL THEN HAVE SERVED ITS PURPOSES AND WILL PLAY ITS PART THEN FOR THE LAST TIME BY A UNANIMITY OF DESIRE TO MAKE CLOSE ACQUAINTANCE WITH US BEFORE CONDEMNING US.

19. But you yourselves perfectly well know that TO PRODUCE THE POSSIBILITY OF THE EXPRESSION OF SUCH WISHES BY ALL THE NATIONS IT IS INDISPENSABLE TO TROUBLE IN ALL COUNTRIES THE PEOPLE'S RELATIONS WITH THEIR GOVERNMENTS SO AS TO UTTERLY EXHAUST HUMANITY WITH DISSENSION, HATRED, STRUGGLE, ENVY AND EVEN BY THE USE OF TORTURE, BY STARVATION, BY THE INOCULATION OF DISEASES, BY WANT, SO THAT THE "GOYIM" SEE NO OTHER ISSUE THAN TO TAKE REFUGE IN OUR COMPLETE SOVEREIGNTY IN MONEY AND IN ALL ELSE.
 
Hespen said:
The Protocols kept popping into my head as I watched the events unfold recently. I've been re-reading them and thought that these might be relevant, in light of current events.

Protocols said:
Protocol No. 10

4. WHEN WE HAVE ACCOMPLISHED OUR COUP D'ETAT WE SHALL SAY THEN TO THE VARIOUS PEOPLES: "EVERYTHING HAS GONE TERRIBLY BADLY, ALL HAVE BEEN WORN OUT WITH SUFFERING. WE ARE DESTROYING THE CAUSES OF YOUR TORMENT - NATIONALITIES, FRONTIERS, DIFFERENCES OF COINAGES. YOU ARE AT LIBERTY, OF COURSE, TO PRONOUNCE SENTENCE UPON US, BUT CAN IT POSSIBLY BE A JUST ONE IF IT IS CONFIRMED BY YOU BEFORE YOU MAKE ANY TRIAL OF WHAT WE ARE OFFERING YOU." ... THEN WILL THE MOB EXALT US AND BEAR US UP IN THEIR HANDS IN A UNANIMOUS TRIUMPH OF HOPES AND EXPECTATIONS. VOTING, WHICH WE HAVE MADE THE INSTRUMENT WHICH WILL SET US ON THE THRONE OF THE WORLD BY TEACHING EVEN THE VERY SMALLEST UNITS OF MEMBERS OF THE HUMAN RACE TO VOTE BY MEANS OF MEETINGS AND AGREEMENTS BY GROUPS, WILL THEN HAVE SERVED ITS PURPOSES AND WILL PLAY ITS PART THEN FOR THE LAST TIME BY A UNANIMITY OF DESIRE TO MAKE CLOSE ACQUAINTANCE WITH US BEFORE CONDEMNING US.

19. But you yourselves perfectly well know that TO PRODUCE THE POSSIBILITY OF THE EXPRESSION OF SUCH WISHES BY ALL THE NATIONS IT IS INDISPENSABLE TO TROUBLE IN ALL COUNTRIES THE PEOPLE'S RELATIONS WITH THEIR GOVERNMENTS SO AS TO UTTERLY EXHAUST HUMANITY WITH DISSENSION, HATRED, STRUGGLE, ENVY AND EVEN BY THE USE OF TORTURE, BY STARVATION, BY THE INOCULATION OF DISEASES, BY WANT, SO THAT THE "GOYIM" SEE NO OTHER ISSUE THAN TO TAKE REFUGE IN OUR COMPLETE SOVEREIGNTY IN MONEY AND IN ALL ELSE.

Yeah, interesting to see the parallels there, whatever the origin of the 'protocols'. Seems to me that the word 'goyim' refers to everyone on the planet, including Jews, from the perspective of the elite. Jews are 'goyim' too.
 
Interesting times indeed. I think it may be still too early to call on whether or not Israel will be cut off or not, but with the Tea Party/Dominionist movement becoming more popular in the press and these recent recognitions of Palestine (correct me if I'm wrong), it looks like a very probable outcome.

Assuming that Israel is being cut off, whom do you suppose they will attack first? Will they decide to strike the U.S., possibly with nuclear weapons, or will they lash out at one of the U.S.'s puppet states? Or will they try to attack Iran first, perhaps with them fearing that Iran will strike now that Israel has no allies? Perhaps then the U.S. would attack both of them, in the name of freedom and democracy, of course, expanding the war on people?

Then again, if they are aware of the coming Earth changes, what's the point of killing as many people as possible when comets and the ice age will do it for you? You've got your secret, indestructable bunkers and unlimited food supply, so why bother with the rest of us?

Just speculation on my part. Anyways, thanks for bringing this up.

Edit: The Protocols made me think of the choice between STO and STS with regard to this whole mess. I assume that it's better for 4D STS to have drawn out instability, with people becoming desperate and clinging onto the hope that someone or something will "save" them from a life of even more hardship. That way, there will be more slaves in 4D to control. When left by themselves without constant warfare and destabilization, people may actually have time to think about ways of actually improving their situations, without the need of a pathological government. Or maybe I'm totally off base in that regard.
 
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