Robert Fisk: A new truth dawns on the Arab world
Leaked Palestinian files have put a region in revolutionary mood
The Palestine Papers are as damning as the Balfour Declaration. The Palestinian "Authority" – one has to put this word in quotation marks – was prepared, and is prepared to give up the "right of return" of perhaps seven million refugees to what is now Israel for a "state" that may be only 10 per cent (at most) of British mandate Palestine.
And as these dreadful papers are revealed, the Egyptian people are calling for the downfall of President Mubarak, and the Lebanese are appointing a prime minister who will supply the Hezbollah. Rarely has the Arab world seen anything like this.
To start with the Palestine Papers, it is clear that the representatives of the Palestinian people were ready to destroy any hope of the refugees going home.
Perceval said:Seems to me that the only reason that these protests in Tunisia and Egypt are proving successful is because the US has dropped support of those particular dictatorships.
Perceval said:Seems to me that the only reason that these protests in Tunisia and Egypt are proving successful is because the US has dropped support of those particular dictatorships. In years gone by, similar rebellions would have been, and were, brutally suppressed by the regime (by way of the military) because it was given assurances by the US (and sometimes the UK) that their support would continue. Indeed, in years gone by, the CIA would have already been in Tunisia and Egypt for months, re-organizing the military command and in general directing the burgeoning "revolution" to ensure the right outcome. As to why the US has dropped its support of such regimes: they know that there are major earth changes in the pipeline that will make such revolutions insignificant.
Egypt protests: America's secret backing for rebel leaders behind uprising
The American government secretly backed leading figures behind the Egyptian uprising who have been planning “regime change” for the past three years
The American Embassy in Cairo helped a young dissident attend a US-sponsored summit for activists in New York, while working to keep his identity secret from Egyptian state police.
On his return to Cairo in December 2008, the activist told US diplomats that an alliance of opposition groups had drawn up a plan to overthrow President Hosni Mubarak and install a democratic government in 2011.
Perceval said:While all of this MIGHT sound like good news from the point of view of those who have long wished to see the Israelis called to account and more freedom in the Arab world, it is in fact a very dangerous move because the Israelis have always made it clear that if they were ever to feel "existentially threatened" they would take as much of the world with them as possible. Recent developments vis a vis Palestinian statehood and Arab nationalism are undoubtedly seriously threatening the existentialist core of the Zionist state.
Mark said:Perceval said:While all of this MIGHT sound like good news from the point of view of those who have long wished to see the Israelis called to account and more freedom in the Arab world, it is in fact a very dangerous move because the Israelis have always made it clear that if they were ever to feel "existentially threatened" they would take as much of the world with them as possible. Recent developments vis a vis Palestinian statehood and Arab nationalism are undoubtedly seriously threatening the existentialist core of the Zionist state.
Yes, and as influential as Israel is in the US, UK and elsewhere, there is already a world government, and Israel is, and always was, just a pawn of that government. It is disturbing that some bloggers are already waving the victory flag and rejoicing over the turn of events in these Arab countries. The show is just getting started however.
The Cs have indicated that we only have about five years left - and that was a year and a half ago.
Richard S said:Mark said:Perceval said:While all of this MIGHT sound like good news from the point of view of those who have long wished to see the Israelis called to account and more freedom in the Arab world, it is in fact a very dangerous move because the Israelis have always made it clear that if they were ever to feel "existentially threatened" they would take as much of the world with them as possible. Recent developments vis a vis Palestinian statehood and Arab nationalism are undoubtedly seriously threatening the existentialist core of the Zionist state.
Yes, and as influential as Israel is in the US, UK and elsewhere, there is already a world government, and Israel is, and always was, just a pawn of that government. It is disturbing that some bloggers are already waving the victory flag and rejoicing over the turn of events in these Arab countries. The show is just getting started however.
The Cs have indicated that we only have about five years left - and that was a year and a half ago.
Yeah, I agree and it is definitely getting a little scary these days. Maybe we're about to enter the time period the C's have remarked would be "very interesting". Well... it sure looks pretty "interesting" already! What I find amazing is that so few here in the US have any idea at all that this is going on.
WhiteBear said:What better way to put Israel back in the "beleaguered and helpless" corner...in this time when Israel is in the spotlight more than ever for their human rights violations in Palestine, when countries around the world are beginning to recognize Palestine as a sovereign nation by upgrading their missions to embassies, and a US senator proposes cutting $3B sent to Israel for their defense. Who benefits from these apparent "people power" events? I believe Israel is sparking these revolts, so they will be surrounded by volatile new fundamentalist Islamic regimes, for the sole purpose of projecting the illusion of "defenselessness" that they've used repeatedly in the past to justify aggressions. Oh, and $3B (or more) a year doesn't hurt, either.
Protocols said:Protocol No. 10
4. WHEN WE HAVE ACCOMPLISHED OUR COUP D'ETAT WE SHALL SAY THEN TO THE VARIOUS PEOPLES: "EVERYTHING HAS GONE TERRIBLY BADLY, ALL HAVE BEEN WORN OUT WITH SUFFERING. WE ARE DESTROYING THE CAUSES OF YOUR TORMENT - NATIONALITIES, FRONTIERS, DIFFERENCES OF COINAGES. YOU ARE AT LIBERTY, OF COURSE, TO PRONOUNCE SENTENCE UPON US, BUT CAN IT POSSIBLY BE A JUST ONE IF IT IS CONFIRMED BY YOU BEFORE YOU MAKE ANY TRIAL OF WHAT WE ARE OFFERING YOU." ... THEN WILL THE MOB EXALT US AND BEAR US UP IN THEIR HANDS IN A UNANIMOUS TRIUMPH OF HOPES AND EXPECTATIONS. VOTING, WHICH WE HAVE MADE THE INSTRUMENT WHICH WILL SET US ON THE THRONE OF THE WORLD BY TEACHING EVEN THE VERY SMALLEST UNITS OF MEMBERS OF THE HUMAN RACE TO VOTE BY MEANS OF MEETINGS AND AGREEMENTS BY GROUPS, WILL THEN HAVE SERVED ITS PURPOSES AND WILL PLAY ITS PART THEN FOR THE LAST TIME BY A UNANIMITY OF DESIRE TO MAKE CLOSE ACQUAINTANCE WITH US BEFORE CONDEMNING US.
19. But you yourselves perfectly well know that TO PRODUCE THE POSSIBILITY OF THE EXPRESSION OF SUCH WISHES BY ALL THE NATIONS IT IS INDISPENSABLE TO TROUBLE IN ALL COUNTRIES THE PEOPLE'S RELATIONS WITH THEIR GOVERNMENTS SO AS TO UTTERLY EXHAUST HUMANITY WITH DISSENSION, HATRED, STRUGGLE, ENVY AND EVEN BY THE USE OF TORTURE, BY STARVATION, BY THE INOCULATION OF DISEASES, BY WANT, SO THAT THE "GOYIM" SEE NO OTHER ISSUE THAN TO TAKE REFUGE IN OUR COMPLETE SOVEREIGNTY IN MONEY AND IN ALL ELSE.
Hespen said:The Protocols kept popping into my head as I watched the events unfold recently. I've been re-reading them and thought that these might be relevant, in light of current events.
Protocols said:Protocol No. 10
4. WHEN WE HAVE ACCOMPLISHED OUR COUP D'ETAT WE SHALL SAY THEN TO THE VARIOUS PEOPLES: "EVERYTHING HAS GONE TERRIBLY BADLY, ALL HAVE BEEN WORN OUT WITH SUFFERING. WE ARE DESTROYING THE CAUSES OF YOUR TORMENT - NATIONALITIES, FRONTIERS, DIFFERENCES OF COINAGES. YOU ARE AT LIBERTY, OF COURSE, TO PRONOUNCE SENTENCE UPON US, BUT CAN IT POSSIBLY BE A JUST ONE IF IT IS CONFIRMED BY YOU BEFORE YOU MAKE ANY TRIAL OF WHAT WE ARE OFFERING YOU." ... THEN WILL THE MOB EXALT US AND BEAR US UP IN THEIR HANDS IN A UNANIMOUS TRIUMPH OF HOPES AND EXPECTATIONS. VOTING, WHICH WE HAVE MADE THE INSTRUMENT WHICH WILL SET US ON THE THRONE OF THE WORLD BY TEACHING EVEN THE VERY SMALLEST UNITS OF MEMBERS OF THE HUMAN RACE TO VOTE BY MEANS OF MEETINGS AND AGREEMENTS BY GROUPS, WILL THEN HAVE SERVED ITS PURPOSES AND WILL PLAY ITS PART THEN FOR THE LAST TIME BY A UNANIMITY OF DESIRE TO MAKE CLOSE ACQUAINTANCE WITH US BEFORE CONDEMNING US.
19. But you yourselves perfectly well know that TO PRODUCE THE POSSIBILITY OF THE EXPRESSION OF SUCH WISHES BY ALL THE NATIONS IT IS INDISPENSABLE TO TROUBLE IN ALL COUNTRIES THE PEOPLE'S RELATIONS WITH THEIR GOVERNMENTS SO AS TO UTTERLY EXHAUST HUMANITY WITH DISSENSION, HATRED, STRUGGLE, ENVY AND EVEN BY THE USE OF TORTURE, BY STARVATION, BY THE INOCULATION OF DISEASES, BY WANT, SO THAT THE "GOYIM" SEE NO OTHER ISSUE THAN TO TAKE REFUGE IN OUR COMPLETE SOVEREIGNTY IN MONEY AND IN ALL ELSE.