EgyptAir flight MS804 disappears from radar between Paris and Cairo

angelburst29

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Joe said:
Still nothing of significance on this, other than those few pieces of debris/belongings which could easily have come from a refugee boat. This whole situation is rather mysterious. If the plane slammed into the ocean or was broken up in the air, pieces of the fuselage would have been found by now. Starting to wonder, as others have already, if this wasn't another MH370 scenario.

That thought is at the top of my list, along with the plane being remotely hijacked. It's almost like there is "an information black out" and what ever little tidbits they throw out to the public, sounds more like going around in circles? I can't imagine what the Families are going through?

Boeing has reportedly received signals from the emergency locator transmitter, providing hope to search officials hoping to solve the mystery of the ill-fated flight.

Search Narrows for EgyptAir Flight 804 as ‘Signals’ Emit From the Sea
http://sputniknews.com/middleeast/20160526/1040322001/egyptair-sisi-cairo-paris-mediterranean.html

Thursday afternoon Airbus announced detecting signals in the Mediterranean Sea where EgyptAir Flight 804 perished last week, reports Egypt’s state-run Al Ahram news agency.

The distress signals emitted by the plane’s emergency locator transmitter, a device designed to automatically activate upon impact. The signals radically decrease the search area to a 3 mile (5km) radius.
 

JEEP

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angelburst29 said:
Boeing has reportedly received signals from the emergency locator transmitter, providing hope to search officials hoping to solve the mystery of the ill-fated flight.

Search Narrows for EgyptAir Flight 804 as ‘Signals’ Emit From the Sea
http://sputniknews.com/middleeast/20160526/1040322001/egyptair-sisi-cairo-paris-mediterranean.html

Thursday afternoon Airbus announced detecting signals in the Mediterranean Sea where EgyptAir Flight 804 perished last week, reports Egypt’s state-run Al Ahram news agency.

The distress signals emitted by the plane’s emergency locator transmitter, a device designed to automatically activate upon impact. The signals radically decrease the search area to a 3 mile (5km) radius.

From Veterans Today (_http://www.veteranstoday.com/2016/05/23/egyptair-ms-804/):
It is too early to reach a firm conclusion – as readers know, I never jump to conclusions! Having correctly called the surface to air missile strikes on TWA 800, AF 447, the Yemenia Airbus, MH370 [?] and 17 (combined in the case of the latter with 30 mil cannon fire from a lightened and upgraded Ukrainian Sukhoi-25), obviously I am looking at another missile.

A missile, possibly fired from a sub to starboard of 804’s track, would explain a number of things:

(1) The radio jamming (there was radio jamming in the case of 447, 370 and 17).

(2) The sudden turn to port, followed by radical evasive maneuvers.

(3) The delay between loss of ATC contact and the commencement of evasive maneuvering.

(4) The failure of the aircraft to break up at altitude (as with PanAm 103).

(5) The lack of any claim to have brought down the aircraft – there is invariably a claim of responsibility if a terrorist group brings down an aircraft and

(6) Assuming just the timings on the ACARS data have been faked and not the data itself, the damage to the starboard cockpit windows and nose section, which houses the avionics including the radar – a missile using semi-active homing would explode near the cockpit if the target was descending and the incoming was not stern-chasing.

The missile involved in all the overwater shoot-downs (800, 447, Yemenia and 370) was the Iranian copy of the Hughes Aircraft AIM-54 Phoenix, the Fakour-2, although the TWA 747 may have been brought down by a Fakour-1.
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The latest reported development is that a robot min-sub has been ordered to the area with a view to recovering the black boxes. Huh? Recovering small data recorders from 9,000’ down isn’t as easy as all that. You won’t find their orange paint much use in the stygian gloom at 1,500 fathoms.

My prediction is that once new black boxes have been fabricated to match the obviously dodgy delayed ACARS data this robot sub will effect a magical ‘recovery’, a la AF 447. Air crash investigators, the MSM and the mis-named Discovery Channel all worship black boxes, rather like the ancient Aztecs worshipped the sun. Give them a black box and they’ll wag their little tails like a cadaver dog given a body trail to sniff. Nobody ever checks to see if the black box is the same black box the airliner took off with, and there would be no point anyway. If you have leverage over the manufacturer, all you do is ask for a black box with a serial number which has already been used.

Fooling aviation and intelligence illiterate politicians and mainstream journalists is child’s play for the Bad Guys.

Watch this space. As I say it’s too early to be definite, but MS 804 is looking like another missile strike.


Russia was the first country to issue a warning bulletin about the meteor entering the atmosphere - and it particularly emphasized the risk to air traffic.


A warning was even sent to the commander of an anti-aircraft weapons system with S-400 missiles it has deployed in Syria, cautioning that the meteorites could trigger its alarm systems.

It's possible that an alarm was triggered and a missle launched from one of the ships/subs in the Mediterranean - although one would think w/ all their intelligence such a mistake would be highly unlikely. It could, however, depending on how this all plays out, be an 'excuse' for launching a missle that 'accidentally' hit MS 804? Plausible denial ...

FYI:The author of the quoted VT article is not generally considered truthful - rather the 'Sorcha Faal' of VT. From comments to the article:

I suspect Shrimpton is a disinfo agent for isrealhell. He publishes some factual evidence and then mixes in total crap. The one give away was his statement about being right about the surface to air missile that brought down MH 17 which has been thoroughly debunked by the staff at VT. One must then gather that Shrimpton mixes facts with disinformation in order to confuse his readers and cover up for the real perpetrators of these crimes, isrealhell. His favorite go to boy for whipping is of course the Germans, whom he despises so much.
 

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Joe said:
Gaby said:
Now the explosion scenario is being dismissed:

EgyptAir crash: Forensics chief dismisses reports of human remains pointing to onboard explosion

https://www.rt.com/news/344171-egyptair-remains-point-explosion/

It's getting kind of ridiculous, no?

"Plane made a 360 turn before disappearing." Oh, no, it didn't..." Actually, yes, it did..."

"Plane debris has been found". "Oh, no it hasn't." "Oh, wait, yes it has...oh, wait..."

"Injuries suggest explosion on board." "Oh, wait, no they don't..."

What's next? "Plane didn't actually take off from Paris at all?"

Their source is probably 'Sorcha Faal'!

Are we experiencing something of a 'Sorcha Faal' epidemic?!!

This from Jim Stone (another SF ?) - now 'hacked' away plus another VT commenter:

This plane supposedly “went down in the Mediterranean.” Not out in the middle of the Atlantic, not out in the Pacific, it went down in EVERYONE’S BACK YARD. There is no conceivable way the debris trail was not photographed clearly AT DAYBREAK. Israel, Turkey, Egypt, Russia, Italy, and many other countries could have had a fighter jet to the scene in less than an hour, and Egypt, Russia and Israel could have had one there in 10 minutes. Even helicopters could have been there in a half hour. No clear debris photos ALREADY means they are hoaxing this and Israel probably has the plane.
If this was real, THE STORY SHOULD BE ABOUT RESCUE HELICOPTERS SEARCHING, NOT SOME STUPID IDIOT CAPTAIN ON A BOAT!
UPDATE: No wreckage found as reported earlier (AND OFFICIALLY CONFIRMED LATER,) AND I CAN PROVE IT. Now it looks like another MH370.
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Here is the telemetry:

00:26Z 3044 ANTI ICE R WINDOW
00:26Z 561200 R SLIDING WINDOW SENSOR
00:26Z 2600 SMOKE LAVATORY SMOKE
00:27Z 2600 AVIONICS SMOKE
00:28Z 561100 R FIXED WINDOW SENSOR
00:29Z 2200 AUTO FLT FCU 2 FAULT
00:29Z 2700 F/CTL SEC 3 FAULT
no further ACARS messages were received

Ok, so look at the time frame here – it spans 3 minutes. And nowhere in that 3 minutes is there the code for cabin de-pressurization. So that alone totally rules out any bomb or missile strike. It also rules out any possibility of the plane breaking up. And there is a lot more than that said by those few lines of telemetry. The telemetry irrefutably states that no matter what, the pilots had 3 minutes to radio out about any trouble. Trouble that did not destroy the airplane. If it did destroy the airplane, the cabin pressure code would have been sent. Also stuff like “oxygen mask deployment” would have been sent. And if the radio or transponder had a power outage, a message for that would have been sent. Here is the kicker (referred to in item 2 below) – towards the end, the last two messages are for flight control computer failures. Now why would that be?

Commenter: Data ends in two computer glitches (likely from remote hijack override). With no bomb/missile, only possibility is hijack with radar and communication jamming. Web hacking attacks, and more fake news only increase suspicions.
 

angelburst29

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Egypt asked European firms to help search for the black boxes of an EgyptAir plane that crashed last week in the Mediterranean Sea, the airline’s chairman and French diplomatic sources said.

Egypt Seeks Help in Search for EgyptAir Black Boxes
http://en.farsnews.com/newstext.aspx?nn=13950306000772

Nearly a week after EgyptAir flight 804 crashed with 66 people on board, including 30 Egyptians and 15 from France, investigators have no clear picture of its final moment, Irish Times reported.

EgyptAir chairman Safwat Musallam did not name the French and Italian companies involved but told a news conference they were able to carry out searches at a depth of 3,000 meters.

Two French diplomatic sources said Egyptian authorities and France’s BEA air accident investigation agency were finalising a contract with two French companies, Mauritius-based Deep Ocean Search and Alseamar.

“The objective is to go extremely quickly so they can find the boxes that are probably in very deep waters,” said one source.

The source said the costs of the contract would be shared between France and Egypt. Neither source was aware of talks with the Italian company.

The plane and its black box recorders, which could explain what brought down the Paris-to-Cairo flight as it entered Egyptian air space, have not been located.

The black boxes are believed to be lying in up to 3,000 meters of water, on the edge of the range for hearing and locating signals emitted by the boxes.

Maritime search experts say this means acoustic hydrophones must be towed in the water at depths of up to 2,000 meters in order to have the best chance of picking up the signals.

Until recently, aviation sources say, the US Navy or its private contractor Phoenix International were considered among the only sources for equipment needed to search on the correct frequency for black box pingers at such depths. The US Navy said on Tuesday it had not been asked to help.

Batteries powering the signals sent from the black boxes typically last only 30 days, but EgyptAir’s deputy chairman Ahmed Adel said the search would continue beyond then if necessary, using other means to locate the recorders.

“There are many examples in similar air accidents when 30 days passed without finding the box yet ... these planes’ black boxes were found,” he said.

Musallam reiterated earlier comments from sources within the Egyptian investigation committee who said that the jet had shown no sign of technical problems before taking off from Paris.

He said the Airbus 320 was given a regular check by an Egyptian engineer and two Egyptian technicians at Paris airport.

“The engineer and the pilot both signed the Aircraft Technical Log which stated that the check found that all the plane’s machines were safe,” he said.

The investigation sources said the plane disappeared off radar screens less than a minute after entering Egyptian airspace and - contrary to reports from Greece - there was no sign that it had swerved sharply before crashing.

The crew did not make contact with Egyptian air traffic control, they said.

With no flight recorders to check and only fragmentary data from a handful of fault messages registering smoke in the plane in the minutes before it crashed, investigators are also looking to debris and body parts for clues.

One Egyptian forensics official said the small amount of human remains recovered pointed to an explosion on board though no trace of explosives had been detected.

But Hisham Abdelhamid, head of Egypt’s forensics authority, said this assessment was “mere assumptions” and that it was too early to draw conclusions.
 

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angelburst29 said:
Joe said:
Still nothing of significance on this, other than those few pieces of debris/belongings which could easily have come from a refugee boat. This whole situation is rather mysterious. If the plane slammed into the ocean or was broken up in the air, pieces of the fuselage would have been found by now. Starting to wonder, as others have already, if this wasn't another MH370 scenario.

That thought is at the top of my list, along with the plane being remotely hijacked. It's almost like there is "an information black out" and what ever little tidbits they throw out to the public, sounds more like going around in circles? I can't imagine what the Families are going through?

Yeah the thought was at the top of my list too when the incident happened - when considering all the rapid earth changes, EM changes and volcanic activity going on now - it could be possible that "portals" or alternate realities are " shifting and jostling" as well. As Joe mentioned, there is still nothing after almost 2 weeks, the MSM is also not really coherent with their stories. Hence a MH 370 type scenario behind this could be likely...fwiw
 

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Interesting - three Phoenix references:

the Hughes Aircraft AIM-54 Phoenix

Mediterranean Phoenix Express 2016 exercises

private contractor Phoenix International

From wiki:

In Greek mythology, a phoenix or phenix (Greek: φοῖνιξ phoinix; Latin: phoenix, phœnix, fenix) is a long-lived bird that is cyclically regenerated or reborn. Associated with the sun, a phoenix obtains new life by arising from the ashes of its predecessor. According to some sources, the phoenix dies in a show of flames and combustion, although there are other sources that claim that the legendary bird dies and simply decomposes before being born again.[1] According to some texts, the phoenix could live over 1,400 years before rebirth.[2] Herodotus, Lucan, Pliny the Elder, Pope Clement I, Lactantius, Ovid, and Isidore of Seville are among those who have contributed to the retelling and transmission of the phoenix motif.

In the historical record, the phoenix "could symbolize renewal in general as well as the sun, time, the Empire, metempsychosis, consecration, resurrection, life in the heavenly Paradise, Christ, Mary, virginity, the exceptional man, and certain aspects of Christian life".[3]

220px-Phoenix-Fabelwesen.jpg
 

c.a.

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Joe said:
Still nothing of significance on this, other than those few pieces of debris/belongings which could easily have come from a refugee boat. This whole situation is rather mysterious. If the plane slammed into the ocean or was broken up in the air, pieces of the fuselage would have been found by now. Starting to wonder, as others have already, if this wasn't another MH370 scenario.

Business | Thu May 26, 2016 7:40pm EDT
Related: World, Aerospace & Defense, Egypt
France sends underwater probes to EgyptAir search zone
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-egyptair-airplane-search-idUSKCN0YH0Q4
A French naval vessel was en route to the eastern Mediterranean on Thursday to join the hunt for black boxes from a crashed EgyptAir jet, equipped with three specialist probes from a French company recruited to accelerate the search.

France's BEA air crash investigation agency said French naval survey vessel Laplace had left Corsica earlier on Thursday and was heading toward the search zone north of the Egyptian port of Alexandria, where it would begin operations within days.

A week after the Airbus A320 crashed with 66 people on board, including 30 Egyptians and 15 from France, investigators have no clear picture of its final moments.

But Egyptian investigators said a radio signal had been received from an emergency distress beacon usually located in the rear of the cabin. This could help narrow the search area for that part of the fuselage, near the tail where "black box" fight recorders are held, to a 5-km (3-mile) radius, they said.

The emergency locator transmitter (ELT) sends out a signal that can be picked up by satellites in the international search-and-rescue network when an aircraft is in an accident.

It is separate from the underwater locator beacons (ULB) or "pingers" attached to the "black box" flight recorders, which send out acoustic rather than radio signals and are designed to be more easily detected underwater.

John Cox, a former A320 pilot and chief executive of Washington-based Safety Operating Systems, expressed caution about the reported signal from the sunken wreckage.

"There is a low likelihood the ELT would survive and radio doesn't work as well as acoustic signals underwater," he said.

Search teams are working against the clock to recover the two flight recorders that will offer vital clues on the fate of flight 804, because the acoustic signals that help locate them in deep water cease transmitting after about 30 days.

The BEA, which is working as part of an Egyptian-led investigation into the crash, said two of its investigators were on board the French naval ship which was carrying equipment from ALSEAMAR, a firm specializing in searching for marine wrecks.

Negotiations are also under way to contract a second firm to search more than one area, French and Egyptian officials said.

ALSEAMAR's equipment includes three of its DETECTOR-6000 systems, designed to pick up black-box pinger signals over long distances up to 5 km (3 miles), according to the company's website.

It works by dipping a slender probe into the water to listen for pings and then retrieving it to download the findings.

ALSEAMAR, a subsidiary of French industrial group Alcen, did not respond to a request for comment.

In 2004, the same company deployed a system of "intelligent buoys" to search for black boxes after a Boeing 737 belonging to Egypt's Flash Air crashed in the Red Sea near Sharm al-Sheikh.

The second firm likely to be involved is Mauritius-based Deep Ocean Search, with which France and Egypt are finalizing a contract, according to French diplomatic sources.

That firm was originally involved in the search for missing Malaysian jet MH370, but it and others voiced complaints about the conduct of the search after being rejected when responsibility shifted from Malaysia to Australia.


It was not immediately available for comment.

LAST CONVERSATION

The EgyptAir black boxes are believed to be lying in up to 3,000 meters of Mediterranean water, on the edge of the usual range for picking up signals emitted by the boxes.

Maritime search experts say this means acoustic hydrophones are usually towed in the water at depths of up to 2,000 meters in order to have the best chance of hearing the signals.

Ayman al-Moqadem, Egypt's head of air accident investigations, said the investigating team had received radar imagery and audio recordings from Greece detailing the flight trajectory of the doomed plane and the last conversation between its pilot and Greek air traffic control.

It is expecting France to hand over radar imagery and other data covering the plane's time in French airspace and on the ground in Paris, he added.

Sources in the investigation committee have said the EgyptAir jet did not show technical problems before taking off from Paris. During flight, it sent signals that at first showed the engines were functioning but then detected smoke and suggested an increase in temperature at the co-pilot's window.

The plane kept transmitting messages for the next three minutes before vanishing.

With no flight recorders to check and only fragmentary data from a handful of fault messages including two smoke alarms, investigators are also looking to debris and body parts for clues.

Cox said the fault messages collectively pointed to a possible problem in the avionics bay under the cockpit, but stressed it was too early to rule out any possible cause.

Moqadem said no bodies had been recovered so far, with search teams only able to locate small body parts. DNA tests are underway to identify the remains.

He said a report would be issued by the investigating team one month from the date of the crash.

(Additional reporting by John Irish, Ahmed Aboulenein, Editing by Ralph Boulton and Cynthia Osterman)
 

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c.a. said:
Moqadem said no bodies had been recovered so far, with search teams only able to locate small body parts.

If true, that is obviously inconsistent with the plane simply falling out of the sky intact, and consistent with some kind of serious kinetic force hitting the plane and the passengers.
 

Dirgni

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Mr.Cyan said:
angelburst29 said:
Joe said:
Still nothing of significance on this, other than those few pieces of debris/belongings which could easily have come from a refugee boat. This whole situation is rather mysterious. If the plane slammed into the ocean or was broken up in the air, pieces of the fuselage would have been found by now. Starting to wonder, as others have already, if this wasn't another MH370 scenario.

That thought is at the top of my list, along with the plane being remotely hijacked. It's almost like there is "an information black out" and what ever little tidbits they throw out to the public, sounds more like going around in circles? I can't imagine what the Families are going through?

Yeah the thought was at the top of my list too when the incident happened - when considering all the rapid earth changes, EM changes and volcanic activity going on now - it could be possible that "portals" or alternate realities are " shifting and jostling" as well. As Joe mentioned, there is still nothing after almost 2 weeks, the MSM is also not really coherent with their stories. Hence a MH 370 type scenario behind this could be likely...fwiw

In case this is another MH370 incident then it will be much more difficult to hide. The Mediterranean is not deep enough and the area is too populated to hide a plane or its pieces forever. No vanishing in the vastness of the Pacific for this one.

When it was 'hit by something' (meteorite, weapon, ...) and broke apart into small pieces then PTB would also have difficulties explaining this. The Greek were lucky that this happened when the plane just left their air space. Whatever happened to these poor people in MS804 it could to be unusual enough that no 'normal' explanation could be found for this.
 

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JEEP said:
Interesting - three Phoenix references:

the Hughes Aircraft AIM-54 Phoenix

Mediterranean Phoenix Express 2016 exercises

private contractor Phoenix International

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My thoughts by reading the last entries... Maybe some symbolism here, even if I did not find out what could be the meaning. What is following might not be very interesting, but who knows.

From Homere, Phoenix is the Europe's father and gave his name to the Phoenicians.

Hereatfer the list of countries which are today part of Phoenicia (I do not know why France is in the list; maybe about the commercial ways they used to use), but thought I could share it anyway):

Lebanon
Syria
Algeria
Cyprus
Egypt
France
Greece
Israel
Italy
Jordan
Libya
Malta
Morocco
Palestine
Portugal
Spain
Tunisia
Turkey

In bold, are countries involved in the Mediterranean Phoenix Express 2016 (Algeria, Croatia, Greece, Italy, Malta, Mauritania, Morocco, Spain, Tunisia, Turkey and the United States). I put Egypt and France in italic, as they are the two countries most touched in number of dead passengers.
 

angelburst29

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Joe said:
Still nothing of significance on this, other than those few pieces of debris/belongings which could easily have come from a refugee boat. This whole situation is rather mysterious. If the plane slammed into the ocean or was broken up in the air, pieces of the fuselage would have been found by now. Starting to wonder, as others have already, if this wasn't another MH370 scenario.

I've been reading up on all the reports I can find on this missing plane, since it was first reported and I don't see any real evidence of the plane crashing into the Mediterranean?

One of the better articles, which gave numerous links to it's material was featured on the Century21 website. It's a rather long article which basically covers much of what has already been Posted here but also included some interesting questions and offered some extra tidbits of information.

EgyptAir Flight MS804 – What The Media Won’t Tell You
http://21stcenturywire.com/2016/05/27/egyptair-flight-ms804-what-the-media-wont-tell-you/

New details have emerged regarding the mysterious downing of EgyptAir flight MS804.

‘TAMPERED EVIDENCE?’ – Alleged items from doomed EgyptAir flight MS804 – notice the debris appears to be without fire damage. Reports suggest workers gathering evidence didn’t follow protocol. (tribwgntv.files.wordpress.com)

With no distress call given, officials are still confounded over the direct cause of the air disaster – one week later.

‘MS804 MYSTERY’ – More apparent wreckage from the EgyptAir disaster – once again, no fire damage looks to be present. Larger sections of the plane have yet to be found. (Photo thestar.com)

Egypt in the Crosshairs?

On October 6th, weeks before the ‘vanishing’ and apparent act of terror on October 31st, involving Metrojet Flight 9268, a Russian Airbus A321 carrying some 224 passengers, Egypt expressed support over Russia’s military intervention in Syria – something which may have put Egypt in the crosshairs of the West. The following report was from Al Arabiya News:

“Egypt stands unwavering in its support of Russia’s military intervention in Syria, a stance that reflects the strength of relations between the two countries, but also raises questions on Cairo’s policy towards the Syrian crisis.

On Wednesday, Moscow began a campaign of air strikes over Syria, in what some commentators call its biggest military operation in decades. A few days later, Egypt voiced support for the Russian intervention, saying it will halt the spread of terrorism in the war-torn country.

Egypt’s support of the Russian airstrikes are not a change of tune, observers say. While Cairo has avoided showing direct support for Syrian President Bashar al-Assad, Egypt has always claimed that both itself and Syria are at war against an Islamist insurgency.”

It turns out, on the same day as the EgyptAir MS804 disaster, according to The Wall Street Journal, “Moscow honored an agreement to loan Egypt $25 billion to build its first nuclear power plant, even though Moscow maintains a ban on flights to Egypt since the October airliner bombing.”

Given that those in Washington, along with their GCC allies and Israel seem obsessed over who holds nuclear power worldwide – the public should consider the extremely tough question of who or whom might have an axe to grind with Egypt over their political alliances and future energy ambitions.

‘MS804 FLIGHT PATH’ – The presence of Mediterranean Sea drills, makes it even more unlikely EgyptAir flight MS804 disappeared from radar. (Photo willyloman)

Missing Planes & NATO Drills

Another intriguing aspect to this recent EgyptAir mystery, is the fact that NATO member nations conducted a rather large Mediterranean Sea drill from May 17th-May-27. The International Phoenix exercise was just two days in to military drills when MS804 went missing from radar.

Sputnik fills us in on the drill below:

“This year, Algeria, Egypt, Greece, Italy, Malta, Mauritania, Morocco, Spain, Tunisia, Turkey and the United States, representatives from the NATO Shipping Center, the International Organization for Migration (IOM) and the EU border management agency Frontex are taking part in the drills.

The naval part of the exercises will test the sides’ abilities to respond to challenges of migration, trafficking and the movement of weapons. They will also conduct search and rescue operations.”

The following is from Willyloman, who provides a more in-depth description of the Phoenix naval drill reportedly issued by the US Navy before it was abruptly taken down from their site:

“Participants of Phoenix Express have opportunities to enhance expertise in a number of areas: boarding techniques, search-and-rescue operations, medical casualty response, MOC to MOC communication, and maritime domain awareness tools…

A Combined Maritime Operation Center (CMOC), led and comprised of North African navy officers, will form at NMIOTC to manage at-sea operations.”


Did the AFRICOM-directed drill, described above, have anything to do with this latest EgyptAir tragedy?

While it is still unclear what exactly transpired during MS804’s final leg of it’s intended voyage, it seems unlikely that the various military present in the Mediterranean Sea, wouldn’t have known the exact location of the missing plane – not to mention the plane’s own tracking systems already in place.

There are serious questions surrounding EgyptAir Flight MS804. The world is still waiting for some real answers.
 

angelburst29

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Most articles state that the black boxes can emit signals up to 30 days, this article claims 4-5 weeks.

With "time" being the essence, I'm having difficulty understanding this statement: "But the DOS specialized ship left the Irish sea Saturday (May 28) and it will reach the perceived crash site only in around 12 days, after having the Egyptian and French investigators embark in Alexandria."

If the "specialized ship" is traveling from the Irish sea to the perceived crash site in the Mediterranean, why does this ship have to do a detour "to dock in Alexandria" just to pick up investigators? Why not - just give the ship the coordinates and when it reaches it's destination, have the investigators fly out by helicopter or take a speed boat? The rate they're going in dragging this thing out, they might just as well - give the crew of the ship - 3 days R&R when they dock in Alexandria?

Investigators into EgyptAir's plane crash announced they need at least 12 days to recover its black boxes as they await a ship that can retrieve them from the bottom of the Mediterranean, investigation sources say.

'EgyptAir Plane Black Boxes Impossible to Recover before 12 Days'
http://en.farsnews.com/newstext.aspx?nn=13950310001379

Mon May 30, 2016 - The Airbus A320 plane crashed into the Mediterranean with 66 people on board during a May 19 flight from Paris to Cairo, after disappearing from radar screens, i24news reported.

Investigators are in a race against time to find the flight recorders, known as the black boxes, which have enough battery power to emit signals for four or five weeks.

Egypt and France have signed agreements with two French companies specializing in deep water searches, Alseamar and Deep Ocean Search (DOS).

"Those two companies have complementary roles: the first is for locating the pings of the black boxes [the signal being emitted by the black boxes' beacon], while the second is for diving and recovering them" with the help of a robot, a source close to the investigation said from Cairo, requesting anonymity.

"But the DOS specialized ship left the Irish sea Saturday (May 28) and it will reach the perceived crash site only in around 12 days, after having the Egyptian and French investigators embark in Alexandria."

The investigators are searching for the black boxes at a depth of around 3,000 meters, some 290 kilometers north of the Egyptian coast.



Submarine Will Search for Flight Recorders As Cause of EgyptAir Crash Remains Unclear
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2016/05/debris-belonging-to-egyptair-flight-ms804-found.html

Sunday May 22, 2016 - •The cause of the crash is still not known, and likely won’t be determined until the plane’s flight recorders are located and analyzed.

•The search for black box data and voice recorders, and the main body of the plane itself, continue, and
Egypt's president announced that an Egyptian mining submarine is en route to join the effort.

#EgyptAir #MS804 wreckage may be on one of the deepest parts of the Mediterranean.
 

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French vessel detected signals presumed to come from EgyptAir MS804 black boxes – investigators

https://www.rt.com/news/345032-egyptair-black-boxes-signal/

A French ship has detected signals deep under the Mediterranean Sea, believed to be from the black boxes of EgyptAir Flight MS804. The plane crashed last month, killing all 66 passengers and crew on board.
Citing a statement from Egypt's investigation committee, the Civil Aviation Ministry said the signals were received from the French vessel 'Laplace.'


The investigation committee said in a statement that the search for the black boxes is intensifying ahead of the expected arrival of a separate vessel from the Mauritius-based Deep Ocean Search, which will aim to retrieve the devices. That ship is expected to arrive within a week.

Locator pings emitted by flight data and cockpit voice recorders, known as black boxes, can be detected from deep underwater.

The Airbus A320 crashed on May 19, around 170 kilometers (105 miles) from the Egyptian coast in the Mediterranean sea. The plane had taken off from Charles de Gaulle Airport in Paris.
 

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RT said:
A French ship has detected signals deep under the Mediterranean Sea, believed to be from the black boxes of EgyptAir Flight MS804. The plane crashed last month, killing all 66 passengers and crew on board.

Citing a statement from Egypt's investigation committee, the Civil Aviation Ministry said the signals were received from the French vessel 'Laplace.'

So now the Egyptians say that the French say...

Next we'll hear the French say 'non, dis iz not true!'
 

The Mechanic

Jedi Council Member
More confusion...

EgyptAir MS804: Doomed plane made 3 emergency landings in day before crash reports France 3 TV
By Harriet Sinclair
June 2, 2016 11:06 BST

The EgyptAir plane that crashed into the Mediterranean Sea on 19 May reportedly made three emergency landings the day before the tragedy.

The Airbus 320 was allegedly forced to turn around on at least three separate occasions in the 24-hours before the plane fell from the sky, killing all 66 people on board, according to a France 3 TV investigation.

The plane was said to have made six rotations between various airports before the crash and – on take-off from three different airports – irregularities were reported to ground staff by the flight's Aircraft Communications Addressing and Reporting System.

The cause of the irregularities are not explained but, at each instance, the plane was said to be given the go-ahead to continue its journey. Egyptian investigation sources have denied the claims being reported across the media.

Former aviation security official, Jean-Paul Troadec, told Euronews: "These new findings are an important element for the investigators. We cannot presume to know know exactly what happened on board but it's not entirely normal to turn around several times after a technical incident without finding anything."

Flight MS804 had been travelling from Paris to Cairo when it disappeared at around 2.45am Cairo time (1.45am BST), with many presuming a terror attack had downed the plane – although no group has taken responsibility for attack and no conclusions have been drawn as to the crash.

At the time of the crash, Airbus said that the aircraft – delivered to EgyptAir in 2003 – had logged 48,000 flight hours up to 19 May, AP reported.

There were 56 passengers on board the flight and 10 crew members, with the nationalities of those involved in the fatal crash identified at 30 Egyptians, 15 French nationals and 1 UK national.

Wreckage from the crash has been found thus far, including body parts and plane debris with French investigators confirming, on 1 June, that the black box from the aircraft had been detected following a search of the area.

EgyptAir was not available for comment.

source: http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/egyptair-ms804-doomed-plane-made-3-emergency-landings-day-before-crash-reports-france-3-tv-1563285

EgyptAir’s chairman however denied the claims.

"For me it is not true," Safwat Musallam said on the sidelines of the International Air Transport Association (IATA) annual meeting in Dublin.

He said flight MS804 had not experienced any maintenance issues before departure and that the plane was "normal".

"We fully trust the aircraft and the pilot," said Mr Musallam.

source: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/02/egyptair-ms804-crash-plane-had-been-forced-to-make-several-emerg/

Thanks for all the digging everybody.
 
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