Éiriú-Eolas - Breathing Program

[Nathan]

Ya'll hang on for the video that is in editing. It will have a lot of graphics and images and a viewable demonstration.

When do you estimate the revised DVD will be available for order? It would be great to order a bunch of these as Christmas presents!

 

[abstract]

A quick update my friends. Lately, every time I do EE, i fall asleep during round breathing. I will look at the FAQ again but this is starting to get kind of annoying, the last 3 times I couldn't make it to POTS. grr... :D

Although I fall asleep when i'm laying down, if i sit up i can stay awake usually. but laying down is more comfy...hmmm

 

[Beau]

Although I fall asleep when i'm laying down, if i sit up i can stay awake usually. but laying down is more comfy...hmmm

I think if you sit up you'll find that you won't fall asleep so easily. If you get uncomfortable sitting up, try doing some of the exercises in the video before starting the program.

 

[abstract]

, try doing some of the exercises in the video before starting the program

I did exercise a little before i started at first, lately i'm lazy about the exercise. I probably just gotta have some blood flow perhaps?
I might want to try something slightly more intense than just stretches. A few jumping jacks maybe? LOL. just kidding.

 

[Buddy]

Hello forum members,

It has been a month of absence since I posted last time.
It all started from this EE breathing exercise and meditation if I look back...

By going deeper with meditation, my lessons to learn in this incarnation became clearer .
At one point, I understood what 'merging' means. All what I was studying previously just points to one very core lesson or something, which is relating to understanding of 'assumptions'.

Hi GotoGo. I had to leave for a short spell as well. I never checked your recent posts, but I noticed that I hadn't felt your presence for awhile. What struck me was the seeming similarity between our experiences.

The EE program and continued studying I have been doing has opened up my path as well, I believe. My path, to date, seems to have led to the 'merging' experience from attempting a deep understanding of 'projection and restaging' in terms of psychological trauma. At one point, I felt as if the entire psychological substratum of human civilization spread out in front of me and I could see all the destructive archetypes and dissasociated 'alters' being manipulated to control our behavior. It was both terrifying in a 'chills and goose-bumpy' kind of way and somehow liberating at the same time.

As soon as I started wondering what to do with what I thought I was 'seeing', images and ideas began flooding in faster than I could track them. What I can say at the moment is that it seems to be related to a world-wide goal of creating the knowledge and conditions of perfect, trauma free experience for children - from conception all the way to stress-free individuation.

It's a tall order, I know, and there's a lot of work to do, and all the work we are all doing now, is hastening the 'outing' of the psychopaths, and people are going to get hurt in the process, but what can we do besides what is in us to do?

 

[Mjolnir]

I've doing it but my back is killing me when I sit in the mentioned possition! Can I do it while I'm sitting in a chair or something? :O

PD: I loved the power breathing part! It ressembles me when I used to practice martial arts. Coordination and breathing, it felt incredible!

 

[seek10]

a couple of things that might be useful. Are you maybe not moving the diaphragm correctly - it needs to tighten downwards when you breath in, and then relax back up again into a dome shame when you breath out to fully expel the old air, it should come naturally once you are used to the movement. Do a quick google image search on 'diaphragm' - If you can picture it, it might help, and you should be able to feel it pull down and flatten out as you breath in - which will also lift your ribs once you are breathing deeply.

here is a nice 3D video of diaphragm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hp-gCvW8PRY&feature=related

 

[pete02]

Hi Mjolnir,

I've doing it but my back is killing me when I sit in the mentioned possition! Can I do it while I'm sitting in a chair or something? :O

PD: I loved the power breathing part! It ressembles me when I used to practice martial arts. Coordination and breathing, it felt incredible!

I'm pretty sure you can do it in what ever position is most comfortable to you. I recall Laura saying comfort was key for the E/E. I believe she does it seated in a chair also if I'm not mistaken. ;)

 

[ElizabethDempsey]

Whenever I do the breathing program before going to sleep, I seem to experience a cascade of coherent dreams, -one after another after another in episodic fashion. It's as though the inhalations and exhalations (followed by the meditation) have cleared the fragments from my brain, thus allowing for an uninterrupted flow of interconnected images comprising something very like a "story." Last night in my dream I was assigned a task which had to be completed within a certain amount of time. Step by step the requirements were met, and I emerged at the end of the dream on a sunny shore looking out to the ocean. I awoke with a sense of "mission accomplished!"


P.S. Belated thanks to Marcus-Aurelius for your assistance regarding "quoting", and Bohort for editing my entry for clarity. :)

 

[Mjolnir]

Hi Mjolnir,

I've doing it but my back is killing me when I sit in the mentioned possition! Can I do it while I'm sitting in a chair or something? :O

PD: I loved the power breathing part! It ressembles me when I used to practice martial arts. Coordination and breathing, it felt incredible!

I'm pretty sure you can do it in what ever position is most comfortable to you. I recall Laura saying comfort was key for the E/E. I believe she does it seated in a chair also if I'm not mistaken. ;)

Many thanks, I thought that there'll be an strict protocol or something like that. :( Thanks for your answer, I'll be doing it on my bed or sit down in a chair. :)

 

[Laura]

Ya'll hang on for the video that is in editing. It will have a lot of graphics and images and a viewable demonstration.

When do you estimate the revised DVD will be available for order? It would be great to order a bunch of these as Christmas presents!

Well, the editor/director and producer/director have been hooked to the editing process something 10/12 hours a day for the past three days, so I think it may be just a couple more. They aren't talking much to anybody since, when they take their headphones off and get up to stretch their legs, they have glazed eyes and mumble incoherently about time stamps and fade outs and voiceover and stuff.

I'm not really joking, either. They started out with a straight video of me talking for about an hour, and I understand that there will be my voice throughout, but face time will be reduced by about 80% with the insertion of all the graphics, demonstrations, etc. I will be there at the end to show you exactly how Pipe breathing is done so that there will be NO ambiguity anymore.

 

[ignis.intimus]

A quick update my friends. Lately, every time I do EE, i fall asleep during round breathing. I will look at the FAQ again but this is starting to get kind of annoying, the last 3 times I couldn't make it to POTS. grr... :D

Although I fall asleep when i'm laying down, if i sit up i can stay awake usually. but laying down is more comfy...hmmm

I went through the EE program [disc 3] yesterday (I tend to do just the warm-up exercises more often than the full program [disc 2] so far). I made it to the 2nd set of round breathing had to back-off, then quickly passed out. I don't see this as a bad thing for myself though. I think the sleeping/passing-out is just part of the process, and that as I progress I won't have that problem eventually. I also do it laying down, because it is much easier for me, so I guess I am working up to the point of doing it sitting as well. :)

During the first set of round breathing my arms started to tingle. As the 2nd set was "peaking" (when the breath gets much faster) the tingling spread to my entire body. I felt semi-paralyzed; for lack of a better word - I was not fully paralyzed because I was still able to exercise good control over my breathing muscles. The rest of body felt paralyzed, but during it I never actually tried to move any other muscles than necessary. It felt like if I really wanted to I could make my muscles move, but perhaps they would have felt like it does when a limb falls asleep.

While this "paralysis" set in I also felt panicky, and somewhat nauseous. The feeling reminded me of other times I have passed out - but due to blood loss. The panicked and paralyzed feeling, and then the eventual passing out all felt similar.

So, I pulled back (stopped following Laura's lead) and switched to a more regular breathing pattern. I ended up settling for a fairly shallow, somewhat quickened breath as making me feel more normalized. Before the 3rd set has started to peak, I passed out; I did not even feel like I was going to fall asleep. I woke up during the very last part of the meditation and then went right back to sleep for another hour and a half or so.

Overall though I did notice a lot less pain in my stomach area while going through it so I definitely felt some progress there.

 

[ignis.intimus]

I will be there at the end to show you exactly how Pipe breathing is done so that there will be NO ambiguity anymore.

Very cool!

 

[ignis.intimus]

I've still blockings regarding the EE program, and difficulties to breath with my stomach/chest and up, as if what I've in the belly can't go up properly, hitting repeatedly the wall on the three stage breathing. I'm taking notes.

Perhaps I'm missing something? Any clues?

I too have problems with my stomach (especially) - I would say big problems with my stomach. Lots of pain, especially on the downward expansion movement. Comparing what it feels like now to what it felt like about 4-5 years ago when I first got Rolfed it has improved a decent amount (at best - although I haven't been back to the Rolfer to ask her what she thinks). It was already mentioned to try it laying down - I do this and its much easier for me. It was also mentioned that posture could be playing a role. For myself at least, I feel like this plays a significant role. The best I can say is that my hips are "off". From what I can remember from getting Rolfed [don't quote me on this ;) ], my hips being off are throwing off my neck and top of my back. My neck/top of my back then throw off my stomach muscles.

Since doing the EE program for the first time I can now pop what I think are my lowest lumbar vertebrae. Not necessarily something I think one should get in the habit of doing, but based on my personal experience with getting Rolfed, whenever I start being able to more-or-less pop a particular vertebrae (more frequently, and more at-will) this signifies a loosening in that area, which has generally been followed by less pain, better alignment, and me no longer needing (feeling the urge) to pop that vert. So I take that as a good sign.

As far as suggestions go, I have found these things helpful for me. Please take these with a grain of salt :

• Lay on back, palms down, gentle pressure through your hands into the floor. Bend your knees. Gently, but firmly, tighten your stomach muscles while trying to breath through your stomach like talked about in the EE program - expanding down and out. So basically introduce an opposing force of holding your stomach in with your abdominal muscles while pushing down and out with your diaphragm. Repeat a couple of times. There is more to this technique, which I think is derived from a Yoga move called bridge pose. I can try to dig up a reference for it if you are interested.
• Black walnut hull tincture. I was surprised this had such an immediate, noticeable impact on reducing the pain in my stomach while trying to breath diaphragmaticly. Again, grain of salt here but I took 2-3 droppers full, sipped in 10 minutes. Lots of gurgling and then I tried the exercises and much of the stomach pain had lessened. I have done this 3-4 times when I felt like my stomach was "locked up" and for whatever reason it really seemed to help me.
• To the advice of posture, have you looked into or considered Rolfing or something similar? Again, for me, it has been most helpful. I am considering going back for a "tune-up" (as they call it) since it has been about 2 years since I went last.
  

Edit: On that exercise I tried, I left out that you should bend your knees while laying on your back (I edited the post above to show this). Also, I am not sure on the source Yoga pose, as it appears it was more or less "inspired" by someone I know who does Yoga and went through some Rolfing training. What I talked about above, is how I was shown to first do it, then if you want you can try the bridge pose. For me, it seemed to come naturally after the tensing exercise and I tried to tune into my hips as much as possible. Also, she said she showed it to her Rolfer who basically told her she liked the movement and suggested she keep trying it if felt right.

 

[truth seeker]

By going deeper with meditation, my lessons to learn in this incarnation became clearer .
At one point, I understood what 'merging' means. All what I was studying previously just points to one very core lesson or something, which is relating to understanding of 'assumptions'.

The EE program and continued studying I have been doing has opened up my path as well, I believe. My path, to date, seems to have led to the 'merging' experience from attempting a deep understanding of 'projection and restaging' in terms of psychological trauma. At one point, I felt as if the entire psychological substratum of human civilization spread out in front of me and I could see all the destructive archetypes and dissasociated 'alters' being manipulated to control our behavior. It was both terrifying in a 'chills and goose-bumpy' kind of way and somehow liberating at the same time.

As soon as I started wondering what to do with what I thought I was 'seeing', images and ideas began flooding in faster than I could track them. What I can say at the moment is that it seems to be related to a world-wide goal of creating the knowledge and conditions of perfect, trauma free experience for children - from conception all the way to stress-free individuation.

I've also been noticing what GotoGo mentioned in terms of seeing how everything relates to one core lesson.

Buddy - can you speak more about what you said? I think I'm beginning to notice this but just want to be clear in my understanding.

In regards to the posts people have made concerning stomach/abdomen pain, when I was feeling this what helped me a bit was to scream into a pillow. My thinking was that these were unexpressed feelings/emotions that were trying to be released.

Aaron - when you used the black walnut hull, how much water (if not water then what liquid was it, tea?) did you use? Thanks much.