Éiriú-Eolas - Breathing Program

[Ollie]

Hi agni

Not letting go of emotions & stale things , refusing to see the whole picture is a major battleground for me right now. [...] I know I have to break old crystallization, otherwise I am not going to move anywhere. It feels as a viscious circle I am not able to break through no matter how I try. When I think I got it - BOOM ! No deal ! But Rome wasn't built in a day either

My feelings entirely. Always so near, yet so far away!

 

[ignis.intimus]

One thing that I found helpful to relief neck/shoulder pain in past days is sleeping on a floor, helped a lot.

FWIW I also sleep on the floor, originally spurred by chronic back/neck/shoulder/pretty-much-everywhere pain. One of my cats decided to turn my mattress into a litter box, and so I took the opportunity to just get rid of it and not replace it. I really didn't like it and felt it was just exacerbating my pain.

That was about 2 years ago. Been sleeping on the floor ever since. Generally I will sleep on a camping air-mattress (its maybe 1" thick, but it has a leak so it's mildly cushiony at best) but a lot of times I'll just "hit the fibers" :) I never miss my bed, and am glad that I stopped sleeping on it. Perhaps I could've invested in a better mattress or what not, but in the past 2 years my pain has lessened significantly and I think that a lack of a bed played at least some role.

 

[Oxajil]

Wow! Finally a faint silvery point-light source appeared [amidst the usual rolling silver-sea and purple starmaps], like a moon behind some clouds during Prayer of the Soul while listening to Laura's voice and i tried to hold the light in focus. Very calming experience, felt like a real mother is holding me in her arms all the time. :-o

Yes, same here. It seems like Laura gives us that comfort and the kind of understanding we might miss with our own mothers. That's why I love listening to it as well. It's very soothing...

FWIW I also sleep on the floor,

Sleeping on the floor! Wow, that's a new one for me. I actually thought that the pain etc. would occur when you would be sleeping on the floor instead on a bed (because the floor is hard). Very interesting though.

 

[Laura]

One thing that I found helpful to relief neck/shoulder pain in past days is sleeping on a floor, helped a lot.

FWIW I also sleep on the floor, originally spurred by chronic back/neck/shoulder/pretty-much-everywhere pain. One of my cats decided to turn my mattress into a litter box, and so I took the opportunity to just get rid of it and not replace it. I really didn't like it and felt it was just exacerbating my pain.

That was about 2 years ago. Been sleeping on the floor ever since. Generally I will sleep on a camping air-mattress (its maybe 1" thick, but it has a leak so it's mildly cushiony at best) but a lot of times I'll just "hit the fibers" :) I never miss my bed, and am glad that I stopped sleeping on it. Perhaps I could've invested in a better mattress or what not, but in the past 2 years my pain has lessened significantly and I think that a lack of a bed played at least some role.

Try a 100% latex mattress. I have a feather bed on top of mine. The pure rubber seems to be insulating and the organic feathers also. Really has helped with my morning aches and pains.

 

[ElizabethDempsey]

Sometimes my exhalations during the round breathing become the roar of a lion as I release old pent-up angers and frustrations. Good riddance! :)

 

[Meg]

Hi everyone,

Thought I'd report/update my experiences with the EE program. My anger has abated A LOT. YAY :D I've been including the round breathing(beatha) portion every other week instead of every session. That seems to have helped letting the anger issues work themselves out. My hearing seems to have gotten better, too. My appetite has increased with no weight (another YAY). My awareness is changing. I can't pin point anything specific, except that some ideas and concepts related to the Work are more clear than before.

As far as strange experiences, I've had a few. After one session, I had an movie type visualization of a baby antelope(?) trying to climb back in the womb of it's mother. Directly after that, another visualization appeared. It was of an ankle (mine, I think) and I was scraping the skin off with some kind of white, shell type thing, revealing bright pink skin underneath. The skin was very thick.

At work one day, I was leaning over my desk and these floater type things appeared in my eyes/eyesight. They were tiny swirling, watery, blobs. I don't think I had my knees locked, but I may have. Once I brought them into my awareness, they disappeared.

I love this program!!!

 

[RyanAM]

I have not felt angry at all since i have been doing the breathing, however whenever i feel a little bit nervous about something i feel a pressure in my brain area that feels like it goes from the front to the back of my head. It is kind of interesting sometimes when i have an interview or something, If i feel a bit nervous the head pressure seems to amplify it even more.

 

[cubbex]

:) Again.

How do I know if I'm cleaning myself???

 

[endgame]

Hi all.
I haven't posted in a while, I guess the whole religion thing set off a couple of programs in the old predators mind.
If I'm going to join is still undecided, but what I do know is that I agree 100% with the principles and I do want to stay connected to this group in some way no matter what my decision will be.
Ok, with that said here's an update on the EE for me.
I'm still doing the meditation every night and the program 2 days a week.
However, the round breathing doesn't seem to do anything for me so I only do that once a week.
I've only had one major emotional outburst during the program and that happened during the 3 stage breathing for some reason.
But, I do yawn alot during the whole thing and tears pop out because of it all the time (even when I'm not even tired), and I'm having pretty intense pressures in the forehead and on top of the crown.
I also have alot of vivid dreams of me flying, darkman dreams and dreams about alien invasion, comets and the 'wave transition' (the last one was maybe the most strange and remarable dream I've ever had).
I think that's it, but I'll keep you posted for any changes.

 

[Alana]

In this little time that i was asleep, i had a dream where i was at this big event with many people from work, and there was this band of males who were dressed up as something, which i can't recall. But you could not see their faces. In the event, i interacted a lot with them and i felt i knew one of them. After the event was over, one of those dressed up men, gave to a female coworker of mine something to give me. It was a white porcelain pot with a plant, and a card in it with that man's name, who turned out to be my ex. He approached me and my coworker and wanted to talk to me alone. The other woman did not want to leave me alone with him (he is somewhat pathological in real life) but i insisted that i will be fine, and she left. I remember then that while holding the white porcelain pot in my hands, it started to disintegrate. My ex wanted me to sit next to me but i sat elsewere a bit further. He said, "at least look into my eyes", and when i turned up to see him, that's when i woke up, and experienced all that i describe in the beginning.

The symbols are pretty strong in this. The men dressed as something, with hidden faces...one of who turns out to be pathological (in real life)...who tries to get you alone and at least look into his eyes (which psychopaths can do as a form of hypnosis/control)! It has Predator writtern all over it. It sounds exactly like a Dark Man dream (bold added).

Thank you RedFox for your comments and quotes. I am familiar with the dark man theme from Estes book (one of my favorites of all times!) but i feel that for me this time might be a bit different. I went through my dream journals and i haven't had a "dark man" dream for almost a year (since early last year). Though it has been a prominent figure in my dreams, as per my dream journals, it appears that slowly the dark man was removed and kinder men appeared in my dreams, men noble and protective. It is true that because of early life experiences, i always held an unconscious (only in recent years became conscious) idea of men as being "bad", and it is true that it's only by getting to interact with all the wonderful males found in this forum, that i begun to change my perspective.

In this dream, i remember that i woke up with my heart pounding, but not from fear, i was rather determined to face the ex (predator) in the eye knowing that he could not harm me, i felt i was stronger than him. Perhaps a bit of dream-wishful thinking

I am in this huge three stories house. The walls are fully painted with pictures full of intense colours, symbols and depictions of places ancient, scenes of lives, etc. In many places in the house are stacks of books and Cd's. Nothing else is in the house. I know that at some point the owner of the house leaves away for a while, and in his absence, something happens, somebody paints those beautiful walls over with white paint! Then a long time passes, but i sit around trying to preserve the images that were lost in my mind in order to reproduce them again. And the owner comes, a very kind smiling man, who puts his arm around my waist and we walk through the house, and i tell him what was where, and i discover two things to my amazement: that he remembers how everything was better than me, and he brought his friends with him and already started on repainting the images, and that there are parts of the paintings that are still intact, even though i thought that all were lost. So everyone is happy, and works joyfully on the paintings; slowly the images emerge, though there's still lots of work to be done!

Talk about complete contrast....I really like this dream. From an esoteric point of view, it reminds me of the quotes I've read from G about 'preparing for the masters return'. Given houses in dreams usually represent the self....to have so much of yourself buried (under white paint) only to have the owner of the house turn up and help you put it all back to how it should be is a really strong message :)
I think it at least shows the effect the E-E program is having on your 'self'.

Those were my thoughts as well. Thank you for pointing out the contrast aspect of the two dreams. It was this that helped me realize how the males as portrayed in my dreams have changed and had me go into my previous dream journals.

I did a bit of search about the house symbolism in my books at home, and i found this one interpretation in Anthony Steven's (Jungian analyst) Ariadne's Clue. I'll share the pertinent text here, since i saw in a different thread that house dreams come up for others too:

Since houses grand a sense of containment and enclosure, providing protection and warmth from the elements, a place of domesticity, intimacy, and nurturance, they are extensions of the Mother archetype and of the symbolism of the womb. Home is the center of one's existence, one's security, one's bolt hole:

Home is the place where, when you have to go there
they have to take you in (Robert Frost)

Symbolically, buildings are an extension or projection of the human psyche. Different parts of the house carry their special connotations:

The kitchen, associated with the transformation of raw materials into digestible forms of nourishment

The bedroom, with sex, birth, sickness and death

The bathroom, with purification and regeneration, the shedding of old sins and associations and preparation for a new day

The drawing-room, with social intercourse, gossip, intrigue, the va et vient of the world

The dining room, with fellowship, hospitality, assimilation, and integration

The basement, with the unconscious, with stores of living potential

The foundations, the basic configuration determining the shape, size, and structure of the house represents the phylogenetic psyche (the collective unconscious)

The attic, associated with secrets carried over from the past

Stairs, with the notion of descent and ascend, and in Freudian psychology with sexual intercourse [so you can scratch this last one out ;) ]

Doors, either shut or open, are excluding or welcoming, as the case might be; while the facade stands for the persona, the aspect of oneself one displays to the world.

The house may thus symbolize the Self in both its physical and psychological entirety.

 

[987baz]

apologies if this has been covered already, i did a search and couldn't find anything.

I was wondering, as i do the EE before going to bed i take melatonin to sleep and wanted to know if this is advisable, or should i take it after doing the EE?

thanks :)

 

[Tigersoap]

I was wondering, as i do the EE before going to bed i take melatonin to sleep and wanted to know if this is advisable, or should i take it after doing the EE?
thanks :)

I think that it would be best to take it afterwards as the melatonin can make you sleepy osit.
That's what I do but others might do differently.

 

[987baz]

thanks tigersoap :)

i will try it that way around tonight and see if i can observe any differences.

 

[herondancer]

I take melatonin after the meditation for that reason. Taken before, I wouldn't even make it past pipe breath. Lately I've even been forgetting to take it at the end of the meditation music (headphones off and turn over!) I've been sleeping just as well. Yay EE!

Herondancer

 

[Meg]

And I have to be honest, but when I really began to do the EE program, sometimes when I was thinking I felt a big love for evrything, I don't know if this was part of the program. And how do I know if I have secret negative emotions, how do I know that, because if I have to purify my being I have to do it now. And I have to comment to that when I began the program, I had a lot of trouble on understand and think, like having a lot in my mind and I wasn't able to control myself. Pretty interesting.

:) Again.

How do I know if I'm cleaning myself???

Hi Cubbex,
You might want to consider keeping a journal of your thoughts and daily activities. It's easier to detect programs and changes in your thinking if you have something to refer to. It's a tool for Self Remembering that will help you determine if you are purifying and cleaning yourself.

Everyone will progress with this program differently. If you aren't getting 'results' from the program as it is now, you can increase the frequency of the round breathing (Ba-Ha) portion or you can leave it out for a couple of weeks and see what happens. Experiment with it and see what happens. :)