Éiriú-Eolas - Breathing Program

[Maundy]

Laura, this is the first time of contributing to this forum. I have just watched your video on Youtube 'Knowledge and Being' - with de ja vu regarding your description of the puzzle pieces and how the colours come together, which corroborated my own guidance. This is wonderful and having read the Wave (also corroborated) series (well nearly), I am heartened and gladdened (spelling!). Just now I have listened to your breathing video (also a corroboration of my inner teaching and guidance recently about the breath); this is amazing. I am broke at the moment (going through a divorce - ), but am looking forward to being able to give something toward buying the material in a couple of months time. Meanwhile, I just want to say that I love you and I thank you, deeply and from high and low and wide.

Just for everyone, my guiding companion reminds me and us all - 'Be ready for anything and aware of everything'. All is well.

 

[Jacques]

Hi Maundy

Welcome to our forum. :)

We recommend all new members to post an introduction in the Newbies section telling us a bit about themselves, how they found the cass material, and how much of the work here they have read.

You can have a look through that board to see how others have done it.

 

[rylek]

Like a toddler learning to walk, learning to find its feet. But also needing to provide the love, patience and guidance the parent would too.....hm
No parent would rush/push its child to learn to walk...so we should take the same approach with learning to feel emotions fully, osit.

I think that is very important, and also something that I am trying to learn how to apply myself. Learning to respect one's own pace. It is very tempting, particularly in a fast results society to expect them, which will lead to highjacking the process. I see myself doing it all the time and I can also understand how it leads to corrupting and forcing what can't be forced.
Somethings have their own pace, and just can't be pushed onto a certain time frame, for they are prone to become resistant to any change.

One major obstacle that keeps getting in my way is the "falling behind" program, which E/E has helped me to, for now, keep under control and enabled me to slowly my way through it to fully assimilate it so that it won't be something that is draining me from the constant stopping and re-starting of whatever I am working on. As RedFox says we have to learn to not force that which cannot be forced.

 

[capt.picard]

hellooouuuuuuu :D
During the prayer part of the EE program i find myself last two times in "real time"? (real time according to the c˘s).
example: when laura says: "help me grow in knowledge" , i zone out and i see whole scenes , people, happenings and i feel like it last for a while . when i "wake" from zoning she says: "of all creation". it has passed just a few seconds but i feel like i was "there" along long time (there is a LOT going on). then i get suprised of that. the next moment i happens again and so on. on first view i dont see anything significant but who knows.
as further i do the program i become more relaxed.
any sugestion of some visualisation to, maybe stay a little longer "there"?
thanks
greets :) :D

 

[fabric]

I know I'm a little slow posting feedback on EE - wanted to get a little bit of "experience" before writing anything as I was not sure if I was making much progress or not. I understand that it can take some time before anything significant happens so here is a little update.

I've been doing the program for almost 3 months. I started of with the suggested method (breathing/prayer everynight and full program Mon & Tues), but after a couple of weeks I ended up just doing the breathing/prayer 2 or 3 times a week. I was really focused on studying for test at the time and would be too tired to even get past the breathing before passing out for the night. So for about 2 months I did the full program maybe 4 or 5 times and the breathing/prayer as I mentioned. After the test I was able to find increase the frequency and do the breathing/prayer almost every night and the full program once a week or so.

During the times when I do the full program, I become "intensely relaxed" (is that an oxymoron?) Perhaps more likely deeply relaxed. I don't see any lights yet but do zone out at different points. I zoned out during the ba-ha portion once so I wasn't sure if I was doing that correctly. I also remember when I first started ba-ha sounded really really funny to me and I would laugh. Although I got over that pretty quickly and the ba-ha becomes really intense - especially when it speeds up.

During the breathing/prayer I would find that I would at times zone out (or fall asleep I'm not sure) after the 1 recital but then wake up and hear the music playing. Emotionally I haven't had any strong feelings surface yet, mostly just feeling at peace. My thoughts don't wander as much either as counting my breath and 'saying', or breathing the prayer keeps my attention on that moment. The ba-ha portion I do find I my thoughts wander but strangely enough when I do that I tend to fall asleep, or zone out, but it really feels like I fell asleep!

I do think that I need to take it up notch and try the full program everyday and see what happens but then again not sure if that is the right thing to do or just keep at it as suggested, doing the full program twice a week and breathing/prayer all the other times.

One thing that I was wondering about and not sure if it has been mentioned, is when following along with the prayer, some sentences are short and I can only take a short breath. Then there is a short pause - then the next sentence (breath out). Is this correct? I feel like I should keep breathing in until the next sentence then breathe out as the following one starts. But maybe I need some air exchange to happen?

 

[vinny]

One thing that I was wondering about and not sure if it has been mentioned, is when following along with the prayer, some sentences are short and I can only take a short breath. Then there is a short pause - then the next sentence (breath out). Is this correct? I feel like I should keep breathing in until the next sentence then breathe out as the following one starts. But maybe I need some air exchange to happen?

Here's what I do: I usually fit my breathing to the audio meditation by inhaling for 2 phrases, then exhaling for 4 (all pipe breath, which helps relax and slow things down, and gives you greater control). This fits nicely with my breathing capacity, and gives a total of 3 breaths in and out for the whole prayer (18 phrases in all). Actually as I've been doing the program a lot, I think my breathing capacity is increasing, and I can slow down and stretch it out even more when I'm getting very relaxed. But the idea is to do what is within the comfort range of your body - and structure your breathing to a count which fits in with the recording, if that's comfortable.

 

[Lucius]

Hey all

I'm still sick. but it is much better than weeks ago.
from 3 days I entered the depression, yesterday I did ee program - once I had dreams tiring purifiers - bad. Today I understand what was happening to me a disease, dont have work .I was thinking about last c's session and Rise of psyhopats and I understand when I'm Loking for Job that MOST GOOD MY Job ( IT manager ) are Psychopaths!!! ... that is why I fell bad in this are in my work . I can diagnosis them because they can not tell what is Intuition - talk about it in scientific language can not say WHAT you order.

That is my observation i realize that much GOOD people with good love are with psychopaths .

 

[RedFox]

One thing that I was wondering about and not sure if it has been mentioned, is when following along with the prayer, some sentences are short and I can only take a short breath. Then there is a short pause - then the next sentence (breath out). Is this correct? I feel like I should keep breathing in until the next sentence then breathe out as the following one starts. But maybe I need some air exchange to happen?

Here's what I do: I usually fit my breathing to the audio meditation by inhaling for 2 phrases, then exhaling for 4 (all pipe breath, which helps relax and slow things down, and gives you greater control). This fits nicely with my breathing capacity, and gives a total of 3 breaths in and out for the whole prayer (18 phrases in all). Actually as I've been doing the program a lot, I think my breathing capacity is increasing, and I can slow down and stretch it out even more when I'm getting very relaxed. But the idea is to do what is within the comfort range of your body - and structure your breathing to a count which fits in with the recording, if that's comfortable.

I've been doing the pipe breath up until the POTS starts, then just breathing in through the nose and out through the mouth without any constriction.....are we meant to pipe breath through the POTS?

any sugestion of some visualisation to, maybe stay a little longer "there"?

The only visualisations that Laura suggested where to mentally 'hold onto' and try to expand any light you may see. That and trying to add in a visual representation of the POTS. Her suggestion was to try and visualise a water droplet.

Just a quick update, did the full program last night (doing the round breathing laying in bed for a change). Didn't zone out much, but during the music after the POTS (whilst mulling things over about the forum and some of my recent posts) I suddenly got a rushing feeling, followed by buzzing/throbbing in my forehead. As soon as I noticed this it felt like my forehead expanded to about 1 meter in diameter.....my arms started tingling and went slightly numb.
Started to get dizzy and felt like I was spinning......the 1 meter diameter sensation now had a visual component, that of being inside a stroboscope. Slits of light spinning round and round (and me spinning the other way). Gee, no wonder I felt dizzy.
So I started reciting the POTS myself and the sensations eventually calmed down.
I did wonder if I was about to go out of body or something?
The interesting thing was nothing was forced (it just happened all by itself) and I seemed to be able to stop it if I wanted to. Pretty weird. I have no idea if it means anything or not.

My forehead still feels similar and I've been feeling a little off centre/dizzy just by remembering the sensation.

 

[vinny]

I've been doing the pipe breath up until the POTS starts, then just breathing in through the nose and out through the mouth without any constriction.....are we meant to pipe breath through the POTS?

It's not essential, you can breath normally, if this works more naturally for you. I do pipe breath because I find it slows down and controls the breathing, and adds some relaxation and structure, as I described, which seems to help the meditation process.

 

[wanderer]

Last night I zoned out/went into real time during the round breathing, returned to waking consciousness an hour later deeply refreshed and peaceful. I suppose I should have done POTS when I came back , but it didn't occur to me at the time.

 

[rylek]

hellooouuuuuuu :D
During the prayer part of the EE program i find myself last two times in "real time"? (real time according to the c˘s).
example: when laura says: "help me grow in knowledge" , i zone out and i see whole scenes , people, happenings and i feel like it last for a while . when i "wake" from zoning she says: "of all creation". it has passed just a few seconds but i feel like i was "there" along long time (there is a LOT going on). then i get suprised of that. the next moment i happens again and so on.

I've experienced a couple of weird moments during round breathing last night while doing the whole program. It seemed like a time skip occurred, that I jumped a couple of seconds ahead. Not sure what to make of it, has anyone experienced something similar? It didn't feel weird or in any way as something disturbing. Maybe just too much air in my brain :)

I've been doing the pipe breath up until the POTS starts, then just breathing in through the nose and out through the mouth without any constriction.....are we meant to pipe breath through the POTS?

It's not essential, you can breath normally, if this works more naturally for you. I do pipe breath because I find it slows down and controls the breathing, and adds some relaxation and structure, as I described, which seems to help the meditation process.

Just wanted to say that I breath normally during PoTS, no pipe breath, but as always it should be about what works for you, tweak it to your own requirements.

 

[Laura]

These "time anomalies" that some of you are having are exactly what I call "zoning." I don't really have any other term for it and it is hard to describe except for the fact that you are aware that something has happened with the "time." You aren't asleep, but either a lot of time has passed and it felt like an instant, or no time at all passed, and it felt like eternity. I think that these are events where you are in direct contact with your higher self.

You don't necessarily bring anything back with you consciously - you can't say what did or did not happen - but it does have overall profound effects on you - life-changing, even. If you aren't keeping a journal, do keep reporting here because at some point, you'll want to collect your reports and review them in concert with a review of events in "real life" that run parallel with them.

It really is an exciting process though while you are in the middle of it, you may not yet see just how dramatic it is!

 

[Beorn]

What still amazes me is when Laura seems to say something different on the cd. It's only happened a couple of times and a few times I missed what was said because I had the volume down too low.
[quote author="journal"]
Mon 9/11/09
Zoned out today. Something about an African tribe/dance or ceremony. I saw the colourful costumes but couldn't remember much more than that, and then instead of saying
'Carried in the heart... ruler of the mind...'
Laura said 'Buried in the heart are many great romancers of the Nile.'
I haven't had a chance to look up mythology relating to the Nile yet.

I'm not sure if it means anything. It's happened a few times, but I'm still surprised when the audio seems to say something different than the normal prayer.[/quote]

I've changed the way I've been doing the POTS slightly and it seems to have quite a big effect. Usually I would just do a couple of pipe breaths and then breathe normally for the rest of the meditation, but last week I really tried to focus on doing the breathing while listening to or reciting the prayer. I was in a bad mood actually, which made me breathe quite deeply without realizing it. I realized I could breathe much more deeply then I have been. Needless to say I find it much easier to focus and go deeper into the meditation now. Sometimes I visualize(instead of reciting) each line of the prayer at the same time as I count out the breaths.

 

[Mrs. Peel]

I've changed the way I've been doing the POTS slightly and it seems to have quite a big effect. Usually I would just do a couple of pipe breaths and then breathe normally for the rest of the meditation, but last week I really tried to focus on doing the breathing while listening to or reciting the prayer. I was in a bad mood actually, which made me breathe quite deeply without realizing it. I realized I could breathe much more deeply then I have been. Needless to say I find it much easier to focus and go deeper into the meditation now. Sometimes I visualize(instead of reciting) each line of the prayer at the same time as I count out the breaths.

Now, I am the opposite. Consciously counting breaths keeps me from going deeper into the meditation, and so does doing it with pipe breath instead of "normal" breathing (still in through the nose, out through the mouth).

Although I do think my episodes of "zoning out" have more to do with me drifting off to sleep than any connection to my higher consciousness. ;D

 

[wanderer]

Although I do think my episodes of "zoning out" have more to do with me drifting off to sleep than any connection to my higher consciousness. ;D

I'm wondering about this too. I often meditate late at night, between 12 and 3 AM, and that's when it happens so far. I'm don't usually feel tired when it happens, I'm just on a night owl schedule right now, but falling asleep is certainly a good possibility. In fact I'd assume that's the case if it weren't for a couple of indications to the contrary:

The Cs comment about real time.

And

The experience is very different from normal falling asleep in meditation. I have many years of sleepitation experience, it was a problem that plagued me for all the years I was doing long meditations. I might not have even known I was doing it if it wasn't for group meditations where the person sitting next to me would nudge me awake, since I was continuously conscious the whole time, never lost awareness, at least internally. Years later I was diagnosed with sleep apnea, so I'm afraid I might have been snoring loudly.

"Drifting off to sleep" is how that feels. You become so relaxed that you go into a deep dreamlike state. Some of the descriptions posted here sound like that's what's happening, but my experience lately and that of others posted here has not been like that at all. There's no sensation of drifting, you're there one moment and then you're gone. Some time later, you're suddenly back. When you wake up from normal sleeping in meditation you feel slightly groggy and disoriented, but I haven't felt that way at all when coming back from zoning out during EE.

When this last happened to me I was in round breathing portion, a fairly vigorous endeavor, not conducive to relaxing and falling asleep I think. I clearly remember doing the baha, then nothing, no transition at all. I came to an hour or so later, still sitting upright, feeling very clear, refreshed and peaceful.

Just my thoughts. I don't know the answer, but I'd sure like to find out.

EDIT

I missed this earlier post from Laura where she addresses this. Works for me :D

These "time anomalies" that some of you are having are exactly what I call "zoning." I don't really have any other term for it and it is hard to describe except for the fact that you are aware that something has happened with the "time." You aren't asleep, but either a lot of time has passed and it felt like an instant, or no time at all passed, and it felt like eternity. I think that these are events where you are in direct contact with your higher self.

You don't necessarily bring anything back with you consciously - you can't say what did or did not happen - but it does have overall profound effects on you - life-changing, even. If you aren't keeping a journal, do keep reporting here because at some point, you'll want to collect your reports and review them in concert with a review of events in "real life" that run parallel with them.

It really is an exciting process though while you are in the middle of it, you may not yet see just how dramatic it is!