Éiriú-Eolas - Breathing Program

[Laura]

I hope that all of you will read the article posted here:
http://www.cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=16891.0

... and give a lot of consideration to working on the mind/body/spirit connection. It may help many of you who are working on EE to deal with the body issues at the same time.

 

[Maundy]

Just a little share from me about the breathing. Before getting the actual DVD and CD from Laura, I was practicing the pipe breathing regularly at night before going to sleep, usually for about 5 minutes only (maybe that's enough I thought). So, I was also spinning clockwise to centrifuge not for long, about 1 minute only. The effects of this were that my dreams really kicked into play. Vivid and very instructive. One where I was observing Liam Neeson (an actor) submerged in liquid like water. I could see him dreaming and having a lovely dream from his facial expressions. I became aware of a presence hovering around him, monitoring and the like. That was it. When I sat to write it down I immediately understood the essence of the dream; 'that man sleeps and dreams and yet he believes himself to be awake and living, experiencing, yet he dreams and is kept dreaming, fed with experiences'. It was profound and linked with another dream of a closely related theme about 'he who controls others is himself controlled. He feeds from others and is himself food, yet knows it not'. Okay, since then I bought the breathing program and have experienced a few other unusual things.

1. nightmare - very involved relating to the world being overtaken by ET's and large shiny metal split rings falling to the ground and the ships suddenly being visible, but not the aliens themselves. I am not myself controlled but am in the world where everything and most people are in a zombie like state of being and my own mind is foggy and trying to figure it all out; all is controlled and I have to 'pretend' while I find my way out but I am also looking for someone; everyone has been separated from each other. That was an emotional nightmare and was another 'shock' to the mind which I see as being necessary in the process of fully awakening. It also might be a historic life experience that was replaying for me. I woke to hear the early dawn birds singing and realised it was a dream. The birdsong was so comforting in that moment, like a caress from the beings of the air, who understood and brought me back to being awake.

2. Strange energetic manipulations within my auric field reminiscent of dreams from a few years ago which is too lengthy to go into here, but very interesting and felt a little like a test, but also a confirmation that the unseen becomes seen. Followed by a really interesting dream of similar theme. Very interesting.

3. Being able to see lights and other imagery with eyes closed

4. Vibration and sounds in the head and around the head

5. Just after the Divine Cosmic Mind Blessing at the very end of the meditation, I distinctly heard a male cockney voice in my head. He was talking to someone and saying that 'it's all convoluted'. Again, very interesting. I looked up the word convoluted and am thinking about how that applies to just about everything right now.

It's all very interesting. The prayer is so beautiful, it melts me; simply beautiful.

The breathing, the centrifuging and more importantly the commitment to practice, brings greater and greater clarity of mind. The experiences of light and sound and dreams will in time reveal their multi-layered truth's. Right now I have understood them at the initial level, but as with all dreams it seems, they can reveal deeper layers, even years later. The predator becomes more and more visible and I am able to withdraw from any emotional manipulations (for the most part!).

Here's to further exploration!!!
Amazing.

 

[Meg]

Hi everyone,

It's been a while since I reported in! I am back on the Monday/Thursday schedule. The full program before bed isn't keeping me awake anymore :) My life seems to have more of a purpose and my awareness seems to be growing by leaps and bounds.

In the last month or so, I noticed a discomfort in the diaphragm area similar to a sore muscle.
The last two sessions, I have been experiencing discomfort in the diaphragm during the 2nd round of round breathing. I get an uncomfortable, overwhelming nauseated feeling in my stomach and have to stop and just move on to the POTS. I'm not sure if have torn or strained my diaphragm. I found this about straining the diaphragm.

Be careful, to begin with prolongued tensing of these muscles may result in strain, if you start to feel any pain whatsoever it means you are over exerting. Be patient and remember that you must gradually and gently train yourself to do this or a serious injury might result. If in any doubt get a good teacher to supervise this. After a while (and it may months or years) you will be able to tense these muscles for extended periods of time and this seems to almost subconsciously get the diaphragm to start working. For some reason men find this more natural than women.

http://tamingthesaxophone.com/saxophone-diaphragm-breathing.html

Do you guys think it's something I should see a medical doctor about?

 

[Rich]

Hi everyone,

It's been a while since I reported in! I am back on the Monday/Thursday schedule. The full program before bed isn't keeping me awake anymore :) My life seems to have more of a purpose and my awareness seems to be growing by leaps and bounds.

In the last month or so, I noticed a discomfort in the diaphragm area similar to a sore muscle.
The last two sessions, I have been experiencing discomfort in the diaphragm during the 2nd round of round breathing. I get an uncomfortable, overwhelming nauseated feeling in my stomach and have to stop and just move on to the POTS. I'm not sure if have torn or strained my diaphragm. I found this about straining the diaphragm.

Be careful, to begin with prolongued tensing of these muscles may result in strain, if you start to feel any pain whatsoever it means you are over exerting. Be patient and remember that you must gradually and gently train yourself to do this or a serious injury might result. If in any doubt get a good teacher to supervise this. After a while (and it may months or years) you will be able to tense these muscles for extended periods of time and this seems to almost subconsciously get the diaphragm to start working. For some reason men find this more natural than women.

http://tamingthesaxophone.com/saxophone-diaphragm-breathing.html

Do you guys think it's something I should see a medical doctor about?

Hi Menrva,

Great to hear that you're having positive results. If you have strained your diaphragm and went to the doctor, I would imagine the only treatment they could give you would be to advise you to rest.

So, in the first instance, stopping for a couple of weeks would make sense. Then when you start again ensure that you are not over-exerting yourself and perform the exercises gently, maybe with a reduced count so that you are easing yourself back slowly. The breathing should be relaxed and I wonder if you are forcing your muscles to contract the diaphragm instead of allowing it to function naturally?

If the pain comes back then stop and raise it again. Take care.

 

[Meg]

Hi everyone,

It's been a while since I reported in! I am back on the Monday/Thursday schedule. The full program before bed isn't keeping me awake anymore :) My life seems to have more of a purpose and my awareness seems to be growing by leaps and bounds.

In the last month or so, I noticed a discomfort in the diaphragm area similar to a sore muscle.
The last two sessions, I have been experiencing discomfort in the diaphragm during the 2nd round of round breathing. I get an uncomfortable, overwhelming nauseated feeling in my stomach and have to stop and just move on to the POTS. I'm not sure if have torn or strained my diaphragm. I found this about straining the diaphragm.

Be careful, to begin with prolongued tensing of these muscles may result in strain, if you start to feel any pain whatsoever it means you are over exerting. Be patient and remember that you must gradually and gently train yourself to do this or a serious injury might result. If in any doubt get a good teacher to supervise this. After a while (and it may months or years) you will be able to tense these muscles for extended periods of time and this seems to almost subconsciously get the diaphragm to start working. For some reason men find this more natural than women.

http://tamingthesaxophone.com/saxophone-diaphragm-breathing.html

Do you guys think it's something I should see a medical doctor about?

Hi Menrva,

Great to hear that you're having positive results. If you have strained your diaphragm and went to the doctor, I would imagine the only treatment they could give you would be to advise you to rest.

So, in the first instance, stopping for a couple of weeks would make sense. Then when you start again ensure that you are not over-exerting yourself and perform the exercises gently, maybe with a reduced count so that you are easing yourself back slowly. The breathing should be relaxed and I wonder if you are forcing your muscles to contract the diaphragm instead of allowing it to function naturally?

If the pain comes back then stop and raise it again. Take care.

Will do, Pob. thanks! :)

 

[Nienna]

I haven't had any emotional releases during the full program, however, I have felt emotions come up between sessions. Both anger and sadness.

This is quite normal, Jones. There is a lot of things going on under the surface and each one of us is an individual so we will find that we have different experiences from others.

Release of the emotions has either been difficult, or perhaps I'm expecting too much. Once I felt sadness come up and briefly sobbed. I remember thinking 'yahoo, now I can get it out!' but as soon as that thought come up, the sadness disappeared and the sobbing stopped. Maybe 'yahoo' is a judgement I should avoid?

I think that you are right, yahoo-ing should be avoided. ;) When you anticipate the release of an emotion, you are blocking the release, or so I think. Instead, just try to not think about any type of release. If you feel it coming, just let it come with no thinking about anything. Just let it happen. It may take awhile before enough things in your system have been triggered to aid in the release of any specific emotion. So just let it go naturally to your body, mind and soul's own rhythm.

You may not even get much of an emotional release as some people don't. Things are just working under the surface and in dreams. You don't even necessarily remember the dreams. Nor when you zone out.

So my best suggestion to you is to just relax, be comfortable, do the program and enjoy it. Trust in the Universe and things will work out as they should. :)

 

[celtic]

Vibration and sounds in the head and around the head

5. Just after the Divine Cosmic Mind Blessing at the very end of the meditation, I distinctly heard a male cockney voice in my head. He was talking to someone and saying that 'it's all convoluted'.

I to have heard a sound not right after the breathing but just a few minutes ago after I woke up from a nap. It could possibly be explain as something physical outside because I went to sleep by the window. But I woke up staring out the window and then I suddenly heard a loud beeping sound and I could hear a little bit in the back ground like a man sort of yelling or screaming.

Then I can a little bit hear people talking in the background under the man yelling and the beeping. Then I got up to move and it stop completely I do not no if this was a result of the breathing or just a bleed through from my subconscious mind after I woke up.

 

[ines]

Hi Ines,

Hoping that this is the right section to put my question in!

Is there also a german version of the EEprogram planed or already available?

Yes, it's planned! The translation of the EE program in different languages is now in its final stages and will hopefully soon be released. Thanks all for your patience :)

Hoping that this is the right section to put my question in!

Is there also a german version of the EEprogram planed or already available?

thx
Ines

The German version is not available for the moment but the translators team are working on it.

THANK YOU!

 

[aragorn]

At some point during this it felt as though I expanded some how but at the same time I became aware of the fact that I'd stopped breathing all together. It was not a total zone out because I was still aware of my body and the other sounds of the room. The curious thing is that I felt no sense of oxygen deprivation or anxiety about the fact that I wasn't breathing. I can't say how long that went on for. But its like there was a part of me that was just observing the fact that I wasn't breathing. In a sense I was waiting for that feeling of oxygen deprivation to come again, but it didn't, well at least not seemingly inside of a time frame that I would imagine it should have. Then I thought 'well I better take a breath any way' even though I still felt totally comfortable and relaxed with the fact that I wasn't breathing.

Any thoughts on this?

Hi Jones. I just asked my tutor about this today, and here's what he had to say fwiw:

There are basically two reasons that one stops breathing during a 'body work' (like rolfing, bioenergetics) or meditation session. There are other 'versions' too, but these two are the two most common:

1) BLOCKING - UNCONSCIOUS. One can stop the breathing in order to block the releasing/discharging process during a 'body work' treatment or breathing meditation session. Characteristic for this kind of pause in breathing is that it happens unconsciously and suddenly. The individual is momentarily 'in darkness'. This pause is typically broken by sudden gasping for breath; the body screams in panic for air.

2) SLOWING DOWN- CONSCIOUS. Due to intensive breathing [as in EE] the body and its cells are fully charged with oxygen. When the breathing is slowed down, as in the end of a breathing session - preparing for the meditative part, the breathing stops completely because the body doesn't need any more oxygen for several minutes. The slowing down of the breathing happens consciously (directed by the body's own intelligence, not by forcing it) and in a 'sliding' fashion - until it stops completely. Also the heart beat can slow down to ca 10 beats/min. There's no panic in returning to normal breathing.

There's probably much more to these things, but this is what I've learned so far. From what you describing it sounds like what you experienced is more a case 2).

 

[slowone]

Hi everyone,

It's been a while since I reported in! I am back on the Monday/Thursday schedule. The full program before bed isn't keeping me awake anymore :) My life seems to have more of a purpose and my awareness seems to be growing by leaps and bounds.

In the last month or so, I noticed a discomfort in the diaphragm area similar to a sore muscle.
The last two sessions, I have been experiencing discomfort in the diaphragm during the 2nd round of round breathing. I get an uncomfortable, overwhelming nauseated feeling in my stomach and have to stop and just move on to the POTS. I'm not sure if have torn or strained my diaphragm. I found this about straining the diaphragm.

Be careful, to begin with prolongued tensing of these muscles may result in strain, if you start to feel any pain whatsoever it means you are over exerting. Be patient and remember that you must gradually and gently train yourself to do this or a serious injury might result. If in any doubt get a good teacher to supervise this. After a while (and it may months or years) you will be able to tense these muscles for extended periods of time and this seems to almost subconsciously get the diaphragm to start working. For some reason men find this more natural than women.

http://tamingthesaxophone.com/saxophone-diaphragm-breathing.html

Do you guys think it's something I should see a medical doctor about?

Hi Menrva,

Great to hear that you're having positive results. If you have strained your diaphragm and went to the doctor, I would imagine the only treatment they could give you would be to advise you to rest.

So, in the first instance, stopping for a couple of weeks would make sense. Then when you start again ensure that you are not over-exerting yourself and perform the exercises gently, maybe with a reduced count so that you are easing yourself back slowly. The breathing should be relaxed and I wonder if you are forcing your muscles to contract the diaphragm instead of allowing it to function naturally?

If the pain comes back then stop and raise it again. Take care.

Hi Menrva,

Just read your post about your Diaphragm strain. If it helps at all I was overexerting in the Pipe breath section and made my throat really tight which was horrible. I posted about it a while ago. I also had a corresponding bruised feeling in my Diaphragm which was really quite uncomfortable.

Aragorn posted some tongue exercises on this EE thread which I did and they released my throat and then I practised releasing the diaphragm on the inhalation whilst standing, siting andlying down basically everytime I remembered allowing the belly to really balloon out but not keeping a long hold. It seemed to gently ease the discomfort which for me seemed to be related to a pattern of holding.

I have to still remind my self to be subtle with the breathwork not "full on" but it's fine now. I hope this helps and that thinks settle down

 

[Meg]

If it helps at all I was overexerting in the Pipe breath section and made my throat really tight which was horrible. I posted about it a while ago. I also had a corresponding bruised feeling in my Diaphragm which was really quite uncomfortable.[snip]

Aragorn posted some tongue exercises on this EE thread which I did and they released my throat and then I practised releasing the diaphragm on the inhalation whilst standing, siting andlying down basically everytime I remembered allowing the belly to really balloon out but not keeping a long hold. It seemed to gently ease the discomfort which for me seemed to be related to a pattern of holding.

Hi Slowone,
I think I might be doing that with the pipe breathing. I'll 'watch' myself during the Monday session. I'll read Aragorn's tongue exercises and try what you described releasing & not holding the diaphragm.
Thanks for the tips! :)

edit, formatting.

 

[slowone]

Hi Menrva, This was the post I posted about my EE breathing problem. The link for the exercises is on Aragorns post in this thread.

http://www.cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=16070.0

 

[Galaxia2002]

I ask advice please. I have a friend who studied with me all the university where I met her and well she has been passing through a lot of things. To summarize the story I believe she is making a domestic merger or desintegration.

It all started when she had problems with students of a course that she was giving. She really did not have many social relationships and started having problems with certain handlers students. This was a strong catalyst for lessons in her life, all happening too fast.

She learned what hypocrisy is, fell into depression, was a psychiatrist and began to explore herself at an inner level so hard that she now gives advice to me. She discovered his family narcissism, started making changes in her life, and she had remained long time in therapy but is not medicated. She began writing and capturing their emotions, to get everything she has inside to mourn and drain. She Seems like she was doing Eiriu Eolas. Well the point is that I spoke her of the benefits of meditation and she is interested but so far I didn't see her very open to discussing esoteric matters. I am thinkig to teach her pipe breathing and meditation but I have doubts whether teach her EE or not because the release of emotions may be more abrupt either or could EE act as a regulator of the process in her case?

 

[Meg]

Hi Menrva, This was the post I posted about my EE breathing problem. The link for the exercises is on Aragorns post in this thread.

http://www.cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=16070.0

Thanks for posting a link to it, Slowone. I did a search under the Cass. Experient boards, and didn't find anything. From reading through it, I think that's the problemo. Thanks again!

 

[Alana]

Hi Galaxia.

She learned what hypocrisy is, fell into depression, was a psychiatrist and began to explore herself at an inner level so hard that she now gives advice to me. She discovered his family narcissism, started making changes in her life, and she had remained long time in therapy but is not medicated. She began writing and capturing their emotions, to get everything she has inside to mourn and drain. She Seems like she was doing Eiriu Eolas.

It sounds like she got a shock from reality, and is beginning to see things as they are. Her realizations came from her interactions in her environment, yet she doesn't have the EE in her life yet, to help her relieve some of the stress that these realizations brought to her. Many of us went through such a process before starting the EE. Then the program helped us not only relieve our stress, but also to go deeper into cleansing emotionally, mentally and physically.

Well the point is that I spoke her of the benefits of meditation and she is interested but so far I didn't see her very open to discussing esoteric matters.

There's nothing Esoteric about EE, it's a breathing and meditation program that anyone can do, despite their level of understanding in esoteric matters, or any other subject. How did the conversation get to esoteric staff? Or am i misunderstanding?

I am thinkig to teach her pipe breathing and meditation but I have doubts whether teach her EE or not because the release of emotions may be more abrupt either or could EE act as a regulator of the process in her case?

Yes, i think the EE will act as a regulator of her internal processes at this time, and as i said above, will relieve some of her stress, so she can see things and experience them calmly and clearly. Perhaps you can present the program to her as such? Like say for example: "i know you are going through a difficult time right now, and i thought that i'd share with you this breathing/meditation program that i've been practicing lately, and it really helped me with my stress, ...." etc [add your own experiences, but don't scare her about negative emotions coming up, each person responds differently to the program]. And if she seems open to it, you could teach her pipe breathing, or better yet, have her take a look at the EE website, so she can watch Laura's intro and get all scientific info behind it too.

Others might have better suggestions, that's all that comes to mind for now. And it's great to see how you are looking out for your friend Galaxia!