Éiriú-Eolas - Breathing Program

[no-mans-land]

Today, I want to give an update about the EE.

As the days become warmer now, I do the breathing outside while sitting in the sun. That's a nice alternative to the normal routine because here I have a beautiful lakeside and when I am come from work in the morning, there is total silence and only a few tourists walk along.

I tried the EE with and without the audio lecture and I noticed a total different quality if I do this in the nature. When I am count for myself and do the POTS also without audio, there is far more distraction from thoughts, sounds, movements. But if I use the audio lecture, I can shut up my thoughts and block out the sounds from nature quite easily and the whole exercise become even more intensive compared to the same routine in my bed.

I also noticed, that sometimes it seems like that I am loose small passages of the exercises while doing the program. Such as "oh, the fast section of the round breathing is already at the end? I can swear that I just breath five to eighth times", or the prayer starts and after two repetitions the session is already over. Until today, I allways thought, that I am too distracted and not aware enough to follow completely and then I just forget something. But today, there was the same phenomenon while the round breathing and I definitely know, that I was completely aware because I was sitting in the sun and felt every movement of my lungs and I was also aware of every thought (even now I can remember what I was thinking), but just as I started the second turn of fast round breathing, the exercise was already over, I surly breathed not more than five or six times. So, there is clearly missing time and I cant remember whats happend between.

The "time with the higher self" comes really subtle and slipped under the radar while I was looking in another direction. :P

 

[herondancer]

Hi no-man's-land,
Lucky you! I was doing the same thing in last summer. Unfortunately, summer is still a long way off here. We just got another 5 cm of snow. :(

It is a lot harder to do the exercises without the audio, but Laura has recommended trying, as it's a good way to strengthen control over your mind. Maybe try once or twice a week for the practice? There are benefits to both ways of practicing EE.

The "time with the higher self" comes really subtle and slipped under the radar while I was looking in another direction. :P

Our higher selves must surely enjoy a natural setting more than anything else. I'm really looking forward to the warmer weather

Herondancer

 

[forge]

[..]As the days become warmer now, I do the breathing outside while sitting in the sun. That's a nice alternative to the normal routine because here I have a beautiful lakeside and when I am come from work in the morning, there is total silence and only a few tourists walk along. I tried the EE with and without the audio lecture and I noticed a total different quality if I do this in the nature. [..]

A tiny forest is beside my new workplace and i quickly booked an esoteric reading session there, 25 minutes every morning. Surrounded by the unique calming aura of young trees and listening to birds singing i pipe breathe, while reading there. Last Friday it was almost a purification/enlightenment 'breach' there into unknown mental territory. After work that day, the way home and the weekend was spent with realization about limits and worth of experiences in this density. It really felt i came close to get totally bored/finished with 3D, plus missed time, had problems aligning to passage of linear time.

I have a lot of anguish, could scream on top of my voice about my current 'niche'-situation, feel like a frothing stallion who is under 'breaking in' or a frothing pit-bull tearing/biting it's chains into flying metal pieces because i couldn't get the job i wanted and am forced - must force myself - to endure a 'civil' job. I could explode: my EE training + the striving toward STO + my past good deeds + esoteric studies are keeping me together and sober and in mental check. I have to discover the new me in a public environment, a totally new man with new reactions, no fear, too-much-power problems, overabundance of life-force. I rarely feel holding the reins of all my horses all the time, it's lucky that i can drive this new carriage with wild overpowered overmuscled horses.

I also noticed, that sometimes it seems like that I am loose small passages of the exercises while doing the program. [..] So, there is clearly missing time and I cant remember whats happend between.

Half of my exercise-time disappeared during a bio-energetic breathing in standing position and i clearly 'remembered'(i guess:)) following the audio. Astonished i mused the aliens must have gotten me, while i was breathing!

 

[Hesper]

Hello there everyone: :)

This will be the first time I've posted my status on this Eiriu Eolas thread. I wish I would've done this sooner but I hope I can get caught up here. Basically I didn't really notice too much concerning my own meditations. I had the basics that everyone had, I spaced out a lot, stopped craving junk food, and would just generally feel like I was going crazy during the round breathing and like I was in heaven during the Prayer of the Soul. The past couple of days I've experienced some different things though. Right now they are just "tastes". Like I taste a different sort of thought pattern when I look at myself in the mirror, like I'm seeing myself a little more objectively. I've also felt less "robotic"/narcissistic in my interpersonal relations and have been able to externally consider a lot easier. I have been interacting a lot more in the forum than I ever have before (majority of it swamping, though). Then, during tonight's session, I "felt" like I was communicating with the forum in a strange way. I'd zone out and then zone back in with this impression that I'd just got done rolling on the floor laughing with the forumites. It's been topsy turvy and there's been a little crying but nothing too jarring, it's like I'm still embarrassed to cry I think. Anyhow that kind of sums it up and I hope you all are having as beautiful weather as we're having here!

 

[herondancer]

Hi Menrva, This was the post I posted about my EE breathing problem. The link for the exercises is on Aragorns post in this thread.

http://www.cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=16070.0

Thanks for posting the link to Aragorn's exercise, Slowone. It's a simple exercise for relaxing the throat. It's astonishing how many neck muscles can be affected by the tongue. I did it while driving to work and have really noticed a change in the tension level in my neck. Very helpful indeed!

Herondancer

 

[Laura]

It is a lot harder to do the exercises without the audio, but Laura has recommended trying, as it's a good way to strengthen control over your mind. Maybe try once or twice a week for the practice? There are benefits to both ways of practicing EE.

Exactly. And for those of you who are ready to go deeper, it's time to read Jacob Needleman's book "Lost Christianity" which gives a slightly different perspective on the way The Work can/should be done in daily life that is very helpful (I think). We need to be working on all the rooms in the house at once!

 

[slowone]

Hi Menrva, This was the post I posted about my EE breathing problem. The link for the exercises is on Aragorns post in this thread.

http://www.cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=16070.0

Thanks for posting the link to Aragorn's exercise, Slowone. It's a simple exercise for relaxing the throat. It's astonishing how many neck muscles can be affected by the tongue. I did it while driving to work and have really noticed a change in the tension level in my neck. Very helpful indeed!

Herondancer

They are fab. I'm glad they helped, all thanks to Aragorn.

It is a lot harder to do the exercises without the audio, but Laura has recommended trying, as it's a good way to strengthen control over your mind. Maybe try once or twice a week for the practice? There are benefits to both ways of practicing EE.

Exactly. And for those of you who are ready to go deeper, it's time to read Jacob Needleman's book "Lost Christianity" which gives a slightly different perspective on the way The Work can/should be done in daily life that is very helpful (I think). We need to be working on all the rooms in the house at once!

I do try and practice the POTs a couple of times a week without the audio. Do you recommend trying the breathing without audio as well?

I've ordered "Lost Christianity" so really looking forward to reading that.

 

[shijing]

I do try and practice the POTs a couple of times a week without the audio. Do you recommend trying the breathing without audio as well?

I think it's good to do that to get it memorized -- there are occasionally times when I want to do it but I don't have the audio available (or its late and I don't want to make a lot of noise), and it's good to be able to do it by memory. I usually count the number of repetitions in my mind to keep track, and use my fingers when doing the POTS at the end.

 

[3DStudent]

Yesterday after EE was really nice, but it's usually energizing for me. But after EE and for about five hours on into work I felt and was seeing differently. All of my actions were clearly thought out and efficient. When I was talking to others I picked the seemingly best responses. I could see my inner processes and thinking. Any thoughts that were useless I chose not to express and saw them for what they were.

I'm reading ISOTM at the moment little by little and listening to Breton's audio of the First Initiation and Laura's POTS in the car. I think something happened yesterday that allowed me to reach a little more Being. I thought that I have seen at least once before, but this maybe be my first time ever actually doing it. I was thinking that it would only be temporary and that the state would eventually wear off and I would revert back to old thinking and seeing. Maybe I shouldn't have done this, but I knew it wouldn't be permanent.

Like I said, it was about five hours and I was able to read the forum while in it. I could concentrate really well and do what the real I wanted to do. But when I got to work I soon slowly slipped out of it and progressed into daydreaming while I did my mechanical routine.

I was kind of disappointed later at the end of the day, even after knowing that it would only be temporary. It was just such a sharp contrast having so much clarity, and then progressing back into confluence of my normal nature.

So, maybe it is something to look forward to. "If he sees once, he can see a second time."

 

[Hesper]

But after EE and for about five hours on into work I felt and was seeing differently.
When I was talking to others I picked the seemingly best responses. I could see my inner processes and thinking. Any thoughts that were useless I chose not to express and saw them for what they were.

This is also how I felt. I also lost this state of mind after being with certain people. However, I noticed that text messaging with these same people would leave me in the same state while I could still respond to them with "the seemingly best responses". I find it very empowering to know that we are having similar episodes.

I thought that I have seen at least once before, but this maybe be my first time ever actually doing it.

I also feel like I have seen this before, there is a very strange nostalgia to it that verges on depression. However, I'm getting better at making fun of myself through this-I always thought I had a sense of humor until I tried making fun of myself!

On Saturday night I was applying for jobs and bumped into a guy and he started talking cars with me. Now I know nothing about cars but felt comfortable acknowledging this and continuing the conversation anyhow, without being a bother to him. He told me about the security business he works for and I asked if they were hiring. He told me to go to headquarters and find out. Come Monday I decide to check it out and pick up an application. It's really long and asks for a 25 or more word essay to describe why the applicant may want the job. So, seeking inspiration I check out their website and find out they're basically a homeland security business! They do private investigation and armed/unarmed security for different businesses, but definitely with a homeland security vibe to them. Now, I finish filling out the application and write the essay because I feel like I need a job and it doesn't matter. However, after finishing it, I throw it away and do the EE breathing program. It was the best meditation I've done yet.

And for those of you who are ready to go deeper, it's time to read Jacob Needleman's book "Lost Christianity" which gives a slightly different perspective on the way The Work can/should be done in daily life that is very helpful (I think). We need to be working on all the rooms in the house at once!

Thanks Laura I will order mine today.

 

[Breton]

Yesterday after EE was really nice, but it's usually energizing for me. But after EE and for about five hours on into work I felt and was seeing differently. All of my actions were clearly thought out and efficient. When I was talking to others I picked the seemingly best responses. I could see my inner processes and thinking. Any thoughts that were useless I chose not to express and saw them for what they were.

I'm reading ISOTM at the moment little by little and listening to Breton's audio of the First Initiation and Laura's POTS in the car. I think something happened yesterday that allowed me to reach a little more Being. I thought that I have seen at least once before, but this maybe be my first time ever actually doing it. I was thinking that it would only be temporary and that the state would eventually wear off and I would revert back to old thinking and seeing. Maybe I shouldn't have done this, but I knew it wouldn't be permanent.

Like I said, it was about five hours and I was able to read the forum while in it. I could concentrate really well and do what the real I wanted to do. But when I got to work I soon slowly slipped out of it and progressed into daydreaming while I did my mechanical routine.

I was kind of disappointed later at the end of the day, even after knowing that it would only be temporary. It was just such a sharp contrast having so much clarity, and then progressing back into confluence of my normal nature.

So, maybe it is something to look forward to. "If he sees once, he can see a second time."

To 3d student:

I want to just mention that I have experiences quite similar to what you just wrote. Thanks for sharing them.

I have had moments of astounding clarity, observing my surroundings, at the same time observing my own thoughts, emotions. At those times I feel like I can choose from among them to use, and as you say, take the best ones rather than just the mechanical ones triggered by external stimuli. These moments are intensely satisfying and hopeful, but humbling and somewhat depressing at the same time because it proves to me what a machine with multiple programs I really am the rest of the time!

I would like to observe that it seems to me that the EE breathing program is a great accelerator in this work on the self. However, I don't think esoteric work on the self, and self-observation will happen spontaneously without getting as much knowledge about the self (reading the psychology books for example), and possessing a real desire to see the self. Although if one is not engaged in the Work, I guess one can still use the EE program to get the amazing stress relieving and emotional cleansing benefits.

I say this because I did the program faithfully throughout last fall and these moments of clarity were more frequent than they have been in the last couple of months when I have mostly taken a break from it. I still get these moments of "clarity", just not as often.

I took a break from the full program in part because I noticed with the doing the EE before bed, I had a tendency to wake at 5 am with the feeling of heavily processing something in my unconscious mind. Nevertheless my mind would launch in to high speed conscious processing and thinking and so then sleep was impossible. This was physically tiring me out so, after stopping EE, I now sleep later again. However, my sleep pattern has strangely altered in that I usually feel like immediately falling asleep earlier (10 or 10:30 pm) and waking about 6 am. Too bad because so far I found it best to arrange to do EE at 10:30 or 11 in the laundry room so as not to disturb the wife and kids and I have not learned to do EE in the mornings yet. We will see what happens, because I intend to return to it.

 

[Turgon]

All of my actions were clearly thought out and efficient. When I was talking to others I picked the seemingly best responses. I could see my inner processes and thinking. Any thoughts that were useless I chose not to express and saw them for what they were.

I've had similar experiences too! As if you just know what to do. There's a clearness in thoughts, actions and emotions. It the closest thing I can think of to describe 'Seeing'. Kind of like what don Juan said.

I had understood seeing to be the capacity of human beings to enlarge their perceptual field until they are capable of assessing not only the outer appearances but the essence of everything.

 

[Galaxia2002]

There's nothing Esoteric about EE, it's a breathing and meditation program that anyone can do, despite their level of understanding in esoteric matters, or any other subject. How did the conversation get to esoteric staff? Or am i misunderstanding?

Thanks for the reply Alana! Well she is a scientific as me, she likes to know how the things works and I suggested to her that this meditation could connect her with her potential real I. I talked to her about repressed emotion as she already knows some about that. May be in the future she will be interested to make some reading reccomended in this forum.

Today, I want to give an update about the EE.

I also noticed, that sometimes it seems like that I am loose small passages of the exercises while doing the program. Such as "oh, the fast section of the round breathing is already at the end? I can swear that I just breath five to eighth times", or the prayer starts and after two repetitions the session is already over. Until today, I allways thought, that I am too distracted and not aware enough to follow completely and then I just forget something. But today, there was the same phenomenon while the round breathing and I definitely know, that I was completely aware because I was sitting in the sun and felt every movement of my lungs and I was also aware of every thought (even now I can remember what I was thinking), but just as I started the second turn of fast round breathing, the exercise was already over, I surly breathed not more than five or six times. So, there is clearly missing time and I cant remember whats happend between.

It happened to me in the same exactly way!!! I'm not zoned out in the normal way already known by me. I was very conscious but very tired at the same time because I did the sequence at wee hours. My internal state was very relaxed, I felt little the body and when the round began I truly didn't want to do it, I wanted to end quickly, I said to myself "go on automatic" and when I realized I have finished the rounds in 5 minutes by my internal watch. I said: what's happening? I went crazy? until I read what you wrote. That wasn't the normal zone out definitely.! that was losted time!!

Another weird thing that is happening to me during the day (I don't know whether is an effect or not of EE) is that when a mosquitoe for example or a very little thing is approaching to me from the back I can see it for the corner of my eye as a very big thing that clouds my vision for fractions of seconds. It's as when you feel a person behind you, it's very weird!

 

[MilkoJanovich]

Hi,

It’s been some time since I last posted on this thread. I’ve tried a couple of times to write a post but it always turned out to be too difficult for me and was taking me too much time, but finally, I decided to concentrate less on lexical correctness in order to be able to write more.


Firstly, I would like to thank Forge for his reply to my last post. You suggested me reading books from the QFS booklist. As a matter of fact, I read some of them but only those which are available in Poland.

You have quoted Malachi Martin’s “Hostage to the Devil” and that encouraged me to read this book and some other books on the subject of possessions and exorcisms as well as to listen SOTT podcast about exorcisms. I was very scared of this subject since childhood after I had watched some horror movie and after religion lessons in high school where priest who was was my teacher was telling some horrifying things about Satan and about activities that can lead to possession and so forth. Well, I wasn’t only scared, my anxiety and fear of possibility of being possessed was one of the factors which led me to serious depression when I was 12 years old. I was in almost instant fear for a very long time. Anyway, a couple of months ago I started admitting to myself that I can be possessed and reading on this subject turned out to be very helpful. Many of my experiences as for example feeling of being touched when no one was around me, seeing moving shadows around me and those last experiences that I described in my last posts on this thread gives me food for thought. It seems that I am fighting some of my attachments which are on they way out now but I’m not scared of this possibility any longer.


As for the EE, I try to do it at least two times a week but I usually do it more often. I do the breathing on a kneeling chair now. It is more comfortable to practice it on this kind of a chair than in any other position, even than in lying position, so I can recommend it to those of you who also have a problem with advanced scoliosis.

However, there are some factors that interrupt me. The main problem for me is my fear that I am probably too loud during doing these exercises (especially the “warrior breath”). I live in a very tiny apartment in a block of flats where the walls are very thin so all neighbors can hear almost everything what happens at my place. The same is with me – I hear all their talks, quarrels, music they listen to – nearly everything, so I try to be very quiet all the time and I feel little stressed while doing this part of EE. I can’t shout out freely, I wish I could go somewhere where I would be able to do all EE without any stress. Maybe if my neighbors who live right next to me didn’t have a little baby and another neighbor was a little bit more normal (there are times when he can spend nearly all days and nights on non-stop shouting out things like “I’ll kill you” but in more offensive/dirty way and shouting out many other dirty words in Polish and also on banging on the wall which separates his bedroom from mine, and he is doing all of that soberly) I would be able to be more relaxed while doing these breathing exercises and they would be much more helpful for me. I try to exercise when I know that my neighbors are outside but it’s usually difficult to find out if they are outside or not.

But there are also some positive things that happened. I had some emotional release lately. I started to recall some traumatic experiences from my life, especially childhood. I realized to what degree my present problems are caused by childhood experiences. My view on my childhood has completely changed. If you had asked me four months ago what do I think about my childhood, I would have told you that it was the most wonderful time in my life. I tried to remember only good things because it was more comfortable to think that I have good parents. But recent flashbacks from my childhood made me think how completely wrong I was. For example, I would always justify some of my father’s actions as for instance giving me alcohol when I was three, four, five and six years old. A year ago, I would probably make fun of it and say that it was normal. I also would say that it’s normal that parents swear and are fighting each other nearly every day. Watching my parents fighting each other so often, watching how my father was able to keep quiet, not say a word to both my mum and his children - me and my sister - for a couple of months and how he was able to disappear for months so that we didn’t know where he was and listening to confessions of my mother who made me and my sister her private psychologists (try to imagine little children sitting in front of their mother who is telling them about love affairs of her husband and is asking them for advice) was so painful that I started to make myself insensible so that presently I am emotionally blocked. I was always told to hide my emotions because “men don’t cry” and “it’s a shame when a boy is crying” so now, when I want to cry and when I’m very near to start crying I start to feel this kind of block. I instantly hear this kind of thoughts – “you are not allowed to cry!” and I start to imagine how pitiable it is to have this near-to-cry look on the face. However, I managed to cry for a few seconds a couple of times and it is a huge progress for me as I think. I cried not only over my traumas but also over bad things that I have done in my life to other people. But even now, when I write this post, I have this “it is shameful to admit to crying, you are weak!” kind of thought.

I took me some time to write this post so that’s all for now but I would like to tell much more.

 

[Iron]

The sessions are going smothly, except of the ocasional constriction on the throat.
The saliva diminished and Im in a better mood overall, with more energy, and apparently new doors are opening in my life.
Relationships are being reanimated from the dead.
The most amazing is my respiratory system. I was already conformed with being a person that breath with only one nostril, and in the winter had to breath through the mouth. Now, my entire respiratory passage is always clean and shiny. Goodbye dust allergies!

The shyness about posting on the forum has subsided. The desire to contribute is increasing. Now besides picking up the work in the portuguese translation group, from where I stopped after a series of personal issues, I started a blog in portuguese to make accessible the ideas of Dabrowski, Gurdjieff and others in a easier to read format. The lack of translated material is astounding. So instead of complaining like I did for so many years, Im gonna do something about it!