Éiriú-Eolas - Breathing Program

[Laura]

Ya'll please remember to post on the EE forum. If you have good older posts in this thread, please transfer them there. We need to build a body of discussion for those who may be coming and looking for answers after purchasing the DVDs. Just don't get too esoteric.

 

[Rhys]

Latest Update:

My EE practice has diminished over the last couple of weeks.. I only did the full program once but I still practice pipe breathing during quiet patches of the day. I have been reluctant to break the full program up into sections I can fit in throughout the day, but I think its time to start doing that, at least occasionally.

When I did the full program last time (nearly two weeks ago), during the POTS, by the 3rd-4th run everytime I heard and internalised the phrase "Oh, Divine Cosmic Mind" I felt like I was hollowing out on the inside. When this happened, at the same time I felt like I was being filled with energy from the top of my head downwards. All my body felt very tight, even though I was very relaxed. I found that the inflow of energy was limited to the amount of fear/uncomfortableness I was harbouring about it being there - I had to consciously let my body relax further to let more energy in, and as I did so, I felt more emotional. Even though the emotions were present, I didn't feel identified with them; they were just "there". Afterwards I felt very energised, but I slept without trouble.

Since then, whenever I do POTS and a few pipe breaths before bed, I have been able to function much better on the little sleep I get between my shifts at work. I have also been aware that I have been thinking during sleep. One time I was awoken from a deep sleep and I have a fragment of a memory of talking to a member of the forum about what we were going to write. We were co-deciding planned responses, I also got the impression that there were quite a few people doing this. It was uncharacteristic of a "normal" dream for me because it lacked rich imagery and sound, all I could see was a forum page and I couldn't hear the words as words, if that makes sense.

On another occasion, both my girlfriend and I had a nightmare with very similar themes following a shared EE session. Even though the scenarios were different, we were both trying to escape an armed aggressor by reaching an inaccessible place and narrowly escaping death. Both dreams were intense - could HAARP have an effect like this??

Positive changes have happened regarding my relationships with work colleagues and family, too. Some people at work who know what I am into have started asking me questions about SOTT and especially the EE program. I even got a chance to demonstrate the pipe breath to a captive audience and then gave them a brief explanation of the whys and hows of each section of the breathing program (I made it clear that I'm not a qualified teacher, by the way!) and I directed them to the Éiriú Eolas website. I know at least one of them has been looking at it in his own time :)

I have noticed old back and neck pains starting up again, hopefully these will be processed soon :P

 

[Mike]

I have noticed old back and neck pains starting up again, hopefully these will be processed soon :P

Hi Rhys,
You might consider having some massage therapy to help you with this. I had my first massage last summer, a number of them since and had a session today with the same person. Today she described my back as a hard sheet at that first massage and that she has noticed a general progression of less tension and muscle knots where it was much better today. I think the difference has to do with processing a lot a emotional stuff via the EE program and helping the body release these emotions and emotions that bet stuck in the body via massage, exercise and proper diet. I'm really interested in how emotions are held in the body and I'm going to buy the book 'The Feeling of What Happens: Body and Emotion in the Making of Consciousness' by Antonio Damasio and others to try to find a better understanding of the physiological process and mental process that goes along with it how they get stored and how to release them. If anyone else has any recommendations, let me know.

 

[Rhys]

I have noticed old back and neck pains starting up again, hopefully these will be processed soon :P

Hi Rhys,
You might consider having some massage therapy to help you with this. I had my first massage last summer, a number of them since and had a session today with the same person. Today she described my back as a hard sheet at that first massage and that she has noticed a general progression of less tension and muscle knots where it was much better today. I think the difference has to do with processing a lot a emotional stuff via the EE program and helping the body release these emotions and emotions that bet stuck in the body via massage, exercise and proper diet. I'm really interested in how emotions are held in the body and I'm going to buy the book 'The Feeling of What Happens: Body and Emotion in the Making of Consciousness' by Antonio Damasio and others to try to find a better understanding of the physiological process and mental process that goes along with it how they get stored and how to release them. If anyone else has any recommendations, let me know.

Thanks for the suggestion, Bear :)

It's funny that you mentioned this topic, as I was considering doing some digging on this subject today! I'd like to look more into whether certain emotions are/could be trapped in specific locations in the body. FWIW, I was taken to an Osteopath as a kid because of my constantly cracking neck and after one session I noticed great improvement in my mood and concentration that lasted a couple of months.. I will definitely sort out some massage therapy though, sounds like a very good idea

 

[Juba]

jubazo, congratulations on all of the improvements you have been experiencing -- this is the kind of thing that would go great on the new E/E forum if and when you become a member.

For everyone who is already a member or considering joining, most of the material posted on this thread (minus any "woo woo" stuff) will translate really well over there and help get that forum off to a good start. Remember, whatever you post there will eventually help many people who aren't necessarily ever going to be members of this forum, so it's going to be very helpful to get as many E/E users posting there as we can.

Hi Shijing,

Than I'll do the same on EE forum, thanks for the info.

 

[Deleted member 4737]

Just ordered the dvd package. Better late than never I suppose. I keep people and possible newcomer's to the program updated as to how it works for me.

 

[shijing]

Hi Shijing,

Than I'll do the same on EE forum, thanks for the info.

That's great, jubazo -- I hope that as many members here as possible head over to the E/E forum, register, and start posting as usual. Now that it is up, it has the capacity to play the role that this thread has played up until now, so we want to try to start shifting as much of this discussion as we can over there. For everyone reading, don't hesitate to repeat some of the things you have stated here in the past -- for new E/E forum members, it will all be brand new :)

 

[pete02]

An experience I had after my E/E session last night.

I didn’t do the full session as normal due to the time it was and the fact that I was tired and didn’t want to pass out while doing it. So I had done everything but the bioenergetic breathing. After the POTS I went to sleep as normal and had this dream which I thought was significant in some way, just not sure how. I should also mention that I just started taking 5-HTP
yesterday but I'm not sure that had anything to do with it.

In the dream I was staying with my younger brother at some hotel which I didn’t recognize. For the most part though the dream takes place in some kind of theater room. Only thing was that this theater had one stage at the top as well as the bottom. I was with two guys on the bottom stage, one who was supposed to be a very strong spiritual man and the other was a bad guy who turned to good and was helping us out. I’m guessing I was like a guy in training. Anyway there were bad guys at the top and they kept sending down some kind of evil (almost like souls) and they would float over all the seating from the top stage to the bottom until they got to us and for some reason we were holding our hands up and trying to push them back with light. Not all of them but certain bad ones that would try to get by us.

After a few minutes of this we realized that the head bad guy was at the top cheating and decided to go up and take him out. For some reason he was not supposed to be taking part in any of this and that fact that he was there meant the dark side was cheating. All three of us went to the top stage and held our hands out towards him and used the light to push him out and he disappeared rather quickly. Once he was gone I turned around and realized that now the theater was packed with people. We had almost decided to relax when something went very wrong at the bottom stage and this made us realize that the bad guy was still around. We started searching for him in the crowd and I spotted him first so I ran straight for him. I dove over some people and immediately held my hands out with all I had in me to push him away with light but he laughed at me. Then my comrades showed up and between the three of us held him down with light until it burst out of him and he finally disappeared.

This took a lot out of me because I was feeling like I was coming down off some kind of adrenaline rush. It seemed as though everything was back to normal now and everyone started to leave the theater so we did also. The only thing I remember about that was that walking down the stairs on the way out I turned to my partner (who used to be the bad guy) and said “not bad for a vampire” and he chuckled. I was feeling like a hero now so I thought I would try to pick up a girl for the night but remembered that my brother was home and it would be awkward so decided against it. Not sure where that came from.

Then I awoke because I had this sensation from all of this that wouldn’t let me sleep anymore. It seems that when I was trying to push the bad guy out with light, something was really going on because I awoke with a slightly accelerated heart beat, my body was pulsating all over, I was a little cold and trembling and I had this warm powerful feeling coming from my heart. This was about the most awesome feeling I had ever had in my life. This lasted for about five minutes and then I went back to sleep. The first thing I thought when I awoke was I should get up and write this all down but the dream made such a strong imprint on me I was sure I would remember it in the morning.

Edit: Apologies if I offended anyone with the last part about finding a girl. This was just part of the dream and is definitely not the way I view women. By no means would I behave this way consciously but it was part of the dream and I thought it was important to be honest.

 

[D Rusak]

Yikes, I haven't been doing EE very regularly at all the last bit. As I mentioned in another thread, my computer crashed (literally, thanks to my cat, a noisy vacuum, and poor placement of the computer on my part), and the universe provided plenty of distractions to my pretty weak will- I've been kind of MIA lately. So I did the program in full today and totally zoned out starting very early on in the round breathing- actually fell asleep for a couple of hours, yikes! Good thing I don't have any physical places I need to be today, just have work to do at home. Well, that was quite interesting that I passed out like that (I can't say that I was particularly tired beforehand although I did have some stomach upset the last few days), I will keep noting my experiences now that I'm getting back into the swing of things hopefully.

 

[Juba]

Hi Shijing,

Than I'll do the same on EE forum, thanks for the info.

That's great, jubazo -- I hope that as many members here as possible head over to the E/E forum, register, and start posting as usual. Now that it is up, it has the capacity to play the role that this thread has played up until now, so we want to try to start shifting as much of this discussion as we can over there. For everyone reading, don't hesitate to repeat some of the things you have stated here in the past -- for new E/E forum members, it will all be brand new :)

Agree with you, world could be a better place if we all use EE on daily basis and detox, it could be a new Renaissance of humanity.

 

[fabric]

It's been awhile since I had some intense dreams, and I had 2 last night after doing the meditation. I did the short version (some rounds of pipe breathe continuing into meditation). This was one of the few times that I made it through the whole prayer 4 times. Fell asleep quite easily after. I don't know if there is a relation but the symbolism seemed to fit - could perhaps be a sign of some progress as I haven't really seen any lights (except one but that may have been the light on my heating unit) or had crazy dreams or anything really.

First dream: I was in some building (I think it was a school or library) and I needed to take the elevator down a floor. It didn't seem to be working too well (some lights were off) but the other elevators were out of service. This elevator wasn't totally closed in, just be bottom half had doors and the front and back was open to outside. I get on anyway and the elevator starts going down really fast, and passes my floor and stops between floors. I push the button again and it goes up slowly but stops too high in between floors. It kept doing this strange behaviour and worried that I was going to plunge to my death, I decided to jump out as it was going down onto my floor.

Second dream: I was talking to someone and I had my shirt off. I earlier in the dream I noticed a worm-like protrusion from just under my belly button and thought it was just some dead skin. When I was talking to this person (don't remember who it was) i felt sensation like it was moving. I look down and see it squirming around and realize there is some worm inside me! The person I was talking to didn't notice so I turned around to rip it out of me. I pulled it out and then there was some muddy residue which I pulled at and wiped off. It was totally gross and was pretty unnerved by it, but it wasn't scary or nightmarish - just an icky feeling.

I looked up some the symbols and found that "the up and down action of the elevator represents the ups and downs of your life. It also symbolizes emotions and thoughts that are emerging out of and submerging into your subconscious"* while "to see your belly in your dream, indicates that your are processing and integrating your ideas and feelings from the unconscious to the conscious level. The belly symbolically holds repressed emotions and unexpressed feelings. Your dream may also be telling you to trust your gut feeling and intuition."* What I'm not sure about is the how the worm (weakness and general negativity) fits in. My guess is that I am getting rid of negativity in my feeling and subconscious (although I'm not negative by nature).

Anyway, sorry for the length but it's the first time I've been so affected by a dream (I was thinking about it all day) and feel that this may be some kind of opening up for me methinks...

*_http://www.dreammoods.com/dreamdictionary/

 

[RedFox]

Hi Pete02
Have you considered that perhaps the 'bad guy' could be your predators mind...and the other people you many I's?
I don't think he's 'gone for good'...but the dream may suggest you are fighting him and the negative thoughts he's trying to give you?

Yikes, I haven't been doing EE very regularly at all the last bit. As I mentioned in another thread, my computer crashed (literally, thanks to my cat, a noisy vacuum, and poor placement of the computer on my part), and the universe provided plenty of distractions to my pretty weak will- I've been kind of MIA lately.

Good to see you back D Rusak :)
Its possible you zoned out for those for hours...but if you've been sick perhaps you just needed sleep?

Second dream: I was talking to someone and I had my shirt off. I earlier in the dream I noticed a worm-like protrusion from just under my belly button and thought it was just some dead skin. When I was talking to this person (don't remember who it was) i felt sensation like it was moving. I look down and see it squirming around and realize there is some worm inside me! The person I was talking to didn't notice so I turned around to rip it out of me. I pulled it out and then there was some muddy residue which I pulled at and wiped off. It was totally gross and was pretty unnerved by it, but it wasn't scary or nightmarish - just an icky feeling.

fwiw quite a few people have reported dreams in which they have pulled a worm from different parts of there bodies in this thread. It seems its not that uncommon when doing E-E.

 

[pete02]

Hi Pete02
Have you considered that perhaps the 'bad guy' could be your predators mind...and the other people you many I's?
I don't think he's 'gone for good'...but the dream may suggest you are fighting him and the negative thoughts he's trying to give you?

I did but if those other people represented my many I's?? The place was packed! I had also considered that maybe the bad guy represented one of the many 'walls' that I'm stuck behind and maybe I've finally broken through one. This particular dream was very significant for me because I was able to identify with it in a couple of ways. Even the part about seeking a girl out. This is something that I've been missing in my life and in the past couple of weeks the need for it has been getting stronger and stronger. The fact that my brother was home and I decided against it even makes sense because I live with that brother in real life and I guess a part of me doesn't want to commit to a relationship and move on leaving him on his own.

A few of the things I didn't understand was who the younger 'bad guy turned good' is supposed to represent and the older gentleman with whom I seemed to be learning from. I'm guessing that it means I'm not strong enough to do it by myself and that I should probably network more than I do because I have still much to learn. It also showed me that help was there when I needed it. Theres still much food for thought on this one for me and I'm sure I'll piece it together as I go but your input is always more than welcome RedFox. ;)

 

[Rhys]

During the pipe breath part of my most recent EE session, I had some very strong images of an old man, and then an old woman sat in a big empty room who seemed familiar to me, who I have never met in my life. Both were quite old and looked to be Mediterranean. They were very vivid images, like I was in the room with them at the time. My memory of the image of the old woman is actually more vivid than a lot of my own memories of life experiences It's like I can even tell what she was thinking of me..

An update on EE:

I haven't been feeling many changes during EE, but I have recently realized that one thing has changed in my daily life.
A couple of months ago I posted that when doing EE there was a ball type feeling in my chest that became rather uncomfortable. This ball feeling resembled what I think was a milder, but more constant, uncomfortable feeling that I had for years in my chest. Looking back, it was like the same feeling being condensed into a ball when doing the program.
This ball has eventually and progressively subsided during EE, and I recently noticed that the uncomfortable feeling that I have gotten used to throughout the years is gone. Like that, puff, gone!

One other thing that I have noticed is that I began to feel something strange an unusual in my solar plexus. It feels somewhat bitter and related to anger. I've been thinking about this and have mentioned that to my therapist, we both seem to agree in that I am pulling out deeply held emotions that have been rotting for years. I am beginning to look at them, and that is generating a feeling of rightful anger. Anger for things that have happened and that for several reasons I wasn't allowed to express. Well, this would definitely explain my very angry mood of the last months! I think this is something positive and if I am seeing it correctly, it helps me feel less frustrated with this anger but instead, to experience it as part of my growth.

Hi Gertrudes, I experienced something very similar to the "ball type feeling" in my chest, just behind the bottom of my sternum during the round breathing. It became intense enough to cause great discomfort and restrict my breathing, especially during the fast part. The pain subsided during POTS, though. I think what you say about the feeling being there constantly before in a milder form reflects my own experience of it (in fact, I'm feeling it right now as I write this). Maybe this is something I will be dealing with soon? Thanks for posting about it.

[Edit: grammar]

 

[Lizziespreparetogovegan]

Hi all

Thought I'd report in as I haven't for many months now and I experienced something last night which seemed like an important breakthrough whilst doing the program. It's very difficult to explain but I'll give it a go. First some background.

I've experienced M.E/CFS/Depression type symptoms on and off for much of my adult life. When I started the EE program last summer these really did completely disappear after about 3-4 weeks of the twice weekly sessions and I felt physically and emotionally stronger than I could remember. However, around December last year I started feeling significantly unwell again. I continued with the program but have been very much up and down since then. But have never really got back to the quite blissful few months of last year despite also addressing my diet, exercise etc.

So, the ups and downs have been generally manageable but I have really been in a dreadful state over the last 7-10 days. I have been almost completely physically incapacitated for much of the time, sleeping 14 hours a day with no energy to leave the house or even make food sometimes. Tuesday evening I could barely walk and this physically drained state was accompanied by a foul depression and a very negative head state, primarily involving just feeling very sorry for myself and very angry.

Yesterday evening I started to feel a little better and forced myself to do the full program as I thought I had a window of opportunity which I may not see again for a while. It was a fairly standard session and I had some emotional release/tears during the round breathing.

But then during Prayer of the Soul something happened. I 'zoned out' and its as if I was shown all the pain I had been experiencing from a completely different perspective. Almost as if I came outside of myself and saw my experiences for what they were, completely objectively. For some moments, all my self pity, self hatred, distress and illness were presented to me as simply a crucial aspect of my 'lesson plan'.

It may sound cheesy and I'm frustrated here writing this as such an experience is so difficult to convey but I understood in the most complete sense of the word understanding that all of these problems were both temporary and beatable. It was as if I'd been stuck in the corner of a room facing the wall forever and then something just turned me round to show me the room I'd never seen before. I would say that all this happened in possibly only a five or ten seconds of real time. I was also left with a powerful impression that this 'other perspective' was something that I would experience in a much greater capacity at some point in the future whether this lifetime or another.

I felt a great sense of relief, like a huge weight had been lifted from me and immediate sense of well-being after the POTS had finished. I wouldn't say I was in a state of bliss or anything but had the overwhelming feeling of being a lucky and fortunate person for the life that I have. I sat on the sofa for ages after the session just really enjoying my own company. And that's how I felt all night, lucky and fortunate. I suppose I just felt 'at home' with myself for the first time in a very long time. The depression had gone, along with all the anger and self pity. I stayed up half the night afterwards and read the second half of 'Trapped in the Mirror' which I found to be a wonderful compliment to the experience that I'd had. I felt truly alive. :)

Whilst the experience made me feel 'good' in the most rudimentary sense, more importantly I now feel motivated and for some reason competent to do whatever it takes to get myself completely well via research/diet/treatment. I think it's going to be a long road but I now feel truly ready and willing to take it on. All I can say is thank goodness for EE and Prayer of the Soul!

That's all

Andrew