Éiriú-Eolas - Breathing Program

[Rhys]

Hi Zim. As Gawan says, the out-breath of PB must feel like the way our mouths/throats feel like when we moisture our glasses with our breath to clean them. Do it a few times and pay attention to the sensation/constriction this creates in your throat. In order to know whether your inbreath is also correct, try the outbreath as described, and midway, close your mouth and inhale through the nose holding that same sensation/constriction in your throat.

I hope that the above is clear and that it helps you.

The other day I bought some new glassware and was peeling the sticker off. Sometimes when I am peeling a sticker off something, I'll breathe on it and try to have as much moisture out to help it come off cleanly (it seems to help). Would this action also be stimulating the vagus nerve? When I do this I make almost no noise at all, so if this works too then it's great for those times where I need to be quiet when doing the breathing exercise.

You would be stimulating the vagus nerve if you had some constriction in the throat whilst doing this action. I think that you would have to breathe with enough force to make a sound in the case you are describing. When you notice the constriction in the throat, you can breathe out much more slowly so as not to make a sound (whilst still holding that constriction).

 

[Psalehesost]

On doing the Prayer of The Soul, I have discovered something neat, though I'm not sure if this works as well for others - perhaps for some, depending on their thinking style.

Every two lines fit neatly into a single visual-abstract thought!

The first line forms one part of the thought, or one component of the image; the second fills in the rest, completing it, both parts held in mind at the same time.

For example, "clear my eyes" and "that I may see" will be pictured at once once the second line is reached. And likewise for "savior of the soul" and "live in me today", or "be my daily bread" and "as I give bread to others". There arises a symmetry, since one part (representing one line) of the thought will have a "shape" that goes either "inwards" or "outwards", and the other part has the opposite shape.

When "reciting" the prayer by itself outside of breathing and meditation, I can now quickly reach the "full" thought representing a pair of lines. This making the prayer at once strong and quick.

 

[Gawan]

The other day I bought some new glassware and was peeling the sticker off. Sometimes when I am peeling a sticker off something, I'll breathe on it and try to have as much moisture out to help it come off cleanly (it seems to help). Would this action also be stimulating the vagus nerve? When I do this I make almost no noise at all, so if this works too then it's great for those times where I need to be quiet when doing the breathing exercise.

You would be stimulating the vagus nerve if you had some constriction in the throat whilst doing this action. I think that you would have to breathe with enough force to make a sound in the case you are describing. When you notice the constriction in the throat, you can breathe out much more slowly so as not to make a sound (whilst still holding that constriction).

I agree, you can really silently doing the pipebreath, also with the mouth closed. And as Rhys writes, the constriction (to hold it) is important and the main thing.

And likewise for "savior of the soul" and "live in me today", or "be my daily bread" and "as I give bread to others". There arises a symmetry, since one part (representing one line) of the thought will have a "shape" that goes either "inwards" or "outwards", and the other part has the opposite shape.

That's interesting I also do it in a similar way, but imho "carried in the heart"; "ruler of the mind" and "saviour of the soul" I would take as "one" line (for the cosmic mind) which leads then to "live in me today".

My two cents. :)

 

[Gawan]

I like to write a small update, for the last sessions and how it went yesterday.

I prefer doing the 3-stage breathing lying down, because it feels more comfortable for me and so I can relax my back. The 3-stage-breathing is very relaxing and sometimes it feels like to sink into the ground, and sometimes I take more time to "get in touch with my body", where I stop the audio to notice all the sensations.
I arranged also my timing better (breathing time), so that I can listen to the audio, because I did it a longer time without the audio.


The warriors breath, is more intense when making noise and nobody is home :) and helps to relax more and to get stuff/thoughts out of the body.

The beatha part is the most interesting in my experience, also when I'm not sure if I block something, because there is almost no EE-session where I don't have tears in my eyes, or also where a pain feeling occurs.
This body sensation is combined with hardly closing my eyes, where I see then lights, cause of closing the eyes too hard imo and also on the other side with a sensation that starts from my head (kind of energy flow).
When I try to relax during this occurrence of pain and tears, currently I assume that I block something, then this sensation is less intense and almost gone. I'm not entirely sure if I'm stocked somehow during the beatha part, because as I said it is now a really long time.

Also sometimes intense feeling occur in the middle of the day, kind of emptiness, heaviness or even sadness, where I sat this week down and did some deep breathing. Pictures came up of darkness and a small child in the middle of this darkness, this child was not directly me, but I think a part which is may long forgotten. So I stepped to this child in the darkness and took into my arms, which brought kind of a relief and as well a feeling of sorriness for this child, cause of my ignorance sometimes against my self and to hurt myself.

During the prayer yesterday I zoned out, because I heard then the last words and only thought, already finished...? And fell asleep after the session.

 

[Psalehesost]

That's interesting I also do it in a similar way, but imho "carried in the heart"; "ruler of the mind" and "saviour of the soul" I would take as "one" line (for the cosmic mind) which leads then to "live in me today".

My two cents. :)

Having as basic building blocks each pair of lines, I've been experimenting with combining these into bigger blocks. Four lines work well, six and even eight can be doable (depending on which parts; beyond this limit, it gets too "blurry"), but requires a lot of focus, or the mental representation gets too fuzzy. .

So, the first four lines, or six (which would include "savior" and "living in"), can become one. The "eyes" and "ears" parts are also easily combined, and the "heart" and "holiness of true existence" parts likewise. These latter can be made into one huge whole, though that, at any rate at present, is pushing it and takes some time to focus.

So 6, then 4, then either 4 and 4 or 8 lines, at once might work well with some further training. At present it works for a while, but then the mind gets too tired and skips over the imagery unless I renew efforts to focus.

fwiw

 

[Rhys]

That's interesting I also do it in a similar way, but imho "carried in the heart"; "ruler of the mind" and "saviour of the soul" I would take as "one" line (for the cosmic mind) which leads then to "live in me today".

My two cents. :)

Having as basic building blocks each pair of lines, I've been experimenting with combining these into bigger blocks. Four lines work well, six and even eight can be doable (depending on which parts; beyond this limit, it gets too "blurry"), but requires a lot of focus, or the mental representation gets too fuzzy. .

So, the first four lines, or six (which would include "savior" and "living in"), can become one. The "eyes" and "ears" parts are also easily combined, and the "heart" and "holiness of true existence" parts likewise. These latter can be made into one huge whole, though that, at any rate at present, is pushing it and takes some time to focus.

So 6, then 4, then either 4 and 4 or 8 lines, at once might work well with some further training. At present it works for a while, but then the mind gets too tired and skips over the imagery unless I renew efforts to focus.

fwiw

Hi Psalehesost, I remember reading your thread on Problem with verbally-driven thinking and working on it and it occurred to me that you might benefit from yet another type of thought experiment (osit!) :)

Have you tried 'perceiving' the understanding you have of the prayer without verbalising or visualising it? You could start by observing the idea that comes to your mind when saying each line of the prayer and then 'holding' it there long enough to 'feel an impression' from it. With practice you can then string these perceptions (making up a line or two of the prayer) together and see if they carry understanding on their own. This way you are really able to 'feel' the prayer and, at least in my case, it brings fresh understanding and the meaning it carries gets deeper. Sometimes I have even 'heard' the words change and this has inspired new thoughts and ways of interpreting the prayer.

Afterwards, you can always dissect and question your interpretations. For example, in the prayer I started interpreting "eyes" as my 'outgoing' analytical perceptions and "ears" as my 'incoming' intuitive perceptions. Where does that come from? I generally try to remove interpretations like this from the prayer and leave it as open as possible to allow new understandings. In this way, you can prevent mechanicalness in your recital.

Hope this is helpful to you! :D

 

[zim]

Hi Jerry

To picture in my mind I attached a picture showing the part I think I must move in my mouth when I do pipe B, are this correct ?

Hi zim, while this procedure of lifting of the palate makes the 'ujai-sound' louder and maybe clearer in your head it has, according to my knowledge and experience many disadvantages, see my previous post here. My suggestion would be to keep everything natural and simple; as some singing coach once said: "You'll recognize the correct singing technique by the fact that you can produce maximum efficiency [i.e. a beautiful, focused and well projecting voice] with minimum effort." I have found that this axiom can only be accomplished by complete freedom and relaxation of the muscles - the muscles that are needed do only as much as they have to, the other muscles don't interfere.

I could be wrong, but I think that this same principle would apply to the EE too.

Hi Aragorn thanks for your words I will try to do it naturally with some other advices that give some forum members, thanks again for your support

How do I know if Im stimulating my Vagus Nerve do I have to feel dizzy?

Actually no, as far as I'm aware of, did you breath with the counting (6 in, 2 hold, 9 out, 2 hold ...)? You will feel a certain clarity in your mind and it is easier to focus on something, also when you take your time for example for the 3-stage breathing, you will feel more and more relaxed.

So when I breath in I must do like Im trying to take my nasal fluid to my throat? Although I dont have any nasal fluid but just the feeling??? So in that moment I feel my throat have to be contracted ?

I don't know if this has been already suggested, but what helped me a lot learning to pipebreath was the suggestion to clean some glasses/spectacles (to put some moisture on them).

Hi Gawan

I have felt dizzy after the pipe breath so I think Im doing wrong.....but Im working on it, thanks for your comments ;)

Hi Zim. As Gawan says, the out-breath of PB must feel like the way our mouths/throats feel like when we moisture our glasses with our breath to clean them. Do it a few times and pay attention to the sensation/constriction this creates in your throat. In order to know whether your inbreath is also correct, try the outbreath as described, and midway, close your mouth and inhale through the nose holding that same sensation/constriction in your throat.

I hope that the above is clear and that it helps you.

I will do the example with my glasses so I can know what is the exact move of my throat as soon as I do it I´ll try the pipe breath and see the results,
thanks for your advice

Hi Jerry

To picture in my mind I attached a picture showing the part I think I must move in my mouth when I do pipe B, are this correct ?

Don't try to move it. I suggested using the image of smiling in the back of the mouth. When conscious efforts are made to manipulate muscles that are normally involuntary, there will be tension that resticts their healthy performance. The body responds magnificently and naturally to the mind.

Please note this was only one suggestion to assist in the correction of a glottis that is a little too open causing the feeling of the breath against the back of the mouth. It's not to be taken as necessary.

I have to admit that I made conscious efforts to do the PB, so I need to make some corrections and try again... I´ll post the results then
thanks for your help

 

[fabric]

You would be stimulating the vagus nerve if you had some constriction in the throat whilst doing this action. I think that you would have to breathe with enough force to make a sound in the case you are describing. When you notice the constriction in the throat, you can breathe out much more slowly so as not to make a sound (whilst still holding that constriction).

Ah ok, I see what you mean. When I do the 'ha' noise with it I can feel the slight constriction as I breath out. I don't feel the constriction in my throat when breathing that way without making any noise at all, so having the 'ha' seems necessary. Even when I do it really soft and quiet it feels different. Thanks for the clarification :)

 

[herondancer]

Hi Fabric,

The more you practice pipe breathing, the stronger your awareness and control of your glottis muscles will grow. I've even played with doing a loud pipe breath, then seeing if I could contract and relax those muscles independently. It's possible, which means you will be able to breathe quietly, yet still give a good stimulation to the vagus. I would guess that singers would have that sort of control just from their vocal exercises, but with a different goal.

Herondancer

 

[JAKSUN]

Tonight the sensations travel their normal course through my body and up into my torso, but this time I feel them briefly reach up into my lower chest, just above my liver. The nonphysical electric-like sensations ebb and flow around inside me. I think of Chi and wonder if it is that. I observe it carefully, noting its movement and the occasional twitch or sharp pain of a release somewhere in my left leg. I notice it playing around my knees this time and it makes them warm - I have had trouble with my knees over the last ten years, particularly when in New Zealand. Now my feet occasionally twitch and I consciously maintain relaxation - but I wonder if there is some muscle system that I am not relaxing in my legs somewhere. Nevertheless, I remain deeply relaxed and visualise any hidden tension is released.
This time again, it is very easy to stay with the relaxation even after Laura has stopped talking, and as I continue self POTS to the end of the session the energy waves continue to ebb and flow around and through my legs and hips. I am very deeply relaxed and at peace but I must arise to go to the toilet.
Now as I write these notes in bed before sleep a half hour later, I can still feel that lovely warm glow flowing in my knees, thighs and hips up to my lumbar region.
I love it!

I am willing to admit that these ‘physical’ experiences may be tied the release of tension due from several heavy lifting strains over the early years, but that does not explain the enduring psychic flow experienced.

Monday, 2 August 2010
RATED ADULTS ONLY
EE Experience
The energetic sensations are slight save for almost at the end of meditation section when a momentary image of (*) and (*) popped into my head and I felt an erotic arousal in my genitals as a result. Very pleasant of course, but entirely inappropriate. I think what is really remarkable is my detachment to the experience, observing and not participating…just aware.
I was bemused later at the possibility and that I felt no disgust or fear at the view of us as a sexual threesome! (I am not homosexual nor have I EVER contemplated a threesome). But it seemed somehow normal? I ‘allowed’ the short experience but did not ‘participate’. When I was doing POTS meditation this morning before arising I had the same 'tingle' when (*) popped into my head – very strange, suprising and quiet different.
I don't know what to think! Perhaps the less I think about it the better ha!

I hope the above does not offend - I am merely reporting something very different during EE. Very different for me at least. I don't know what to make of it. :/
FYI, I do the Beatha and POTS lying down.

I have posted this with reservations as to its appropriateness in this forum - moderator, please advise and delete if required thanks

 

[JAKSUN]

Tonight the sensations travel ...

Monday, 2 August 2010
RATED ADULTS ONLY
EE Experience
The energetic sensations are slight save for almost at the end of meditation section when a momentary image of (*) and (*) popped into my head and I felt an erotic arousal in my genitals as a result. Very pleasant of course, but entirely inappropriate. I think what is really remarkable is my detachment to the experience, observing and not participating…just aware.
I was bemused later at the possibility and that I felt no disgust or fear at the view of us as a sexual threesome! (I am not homosexual nor have I EVER contemplated a threesome). But it seemed somehow normal? I ‘allowed’ the short experience but did not ‘participate’. When I was doing POTS meditation this morning before arising I had the same 'tingle' when (*) popped into my head – very strange, suprising and quiet different.
I don't know what to think! Perhaps the less I think about it the better ha!

I hope the above does not offend - I am merely reporting something very different during EE. Very different for me at least. I don't know what to make of it. :/
FYI, I do the Beatha and POTS lying down.

I have posted this with reservations as to its appropriateness in this forum - moderator, please advise and delete if required thanks

I have been reading Laura's Stargate Conspiracy review at http://www.cassiopaea.org/cass/stargate.htm and now think the above mentioned 'arousal and tickle' is probably the STS at work. Damn the predator is cunning.
I find it disturbing that they can penetrate into my meditation and will have to be even more alert. Of other interest is that (*) and (*) were met at Steve Basset's PRG disclosure tour talk last Friday night. Incidently, I also met several 'psychics' and even someone who is a direct descendant of adam and eve, ho ho! I am still very very stupid! One of the 'psychics' is right into the Edgar Cayce Reborn trip. See http://www.cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=4419.0
Another line of thought I have been allowing is the idea that all these sensations I observe in the altered state during EE do not actually belong to 'me' but are merely a componant of the body with which my awareness observes the world. And it is a body/mind system that is under the influence of EVIL.
I have allowed myself to become complacent - never let your guard drop! The control system is attempting to lead me astray into worship of physicality. OSIT at the mo.

 

[Laura]

I have been reading Laura's Stargate Conspiracy review at http://www.cassiopaea.org/cass/stargate.htm and now think the above mentioned 'arousal and tickle' is probably the STS at work. Damn the predator is cunning.
I find it disturbing that they can penetrate into my meditation and will have to be even more alert. Of other interest is that (*) and (*) were met at Steve Basset's PRG disclosure tour talk last Friday night. Incidently, I also met several 'psychics' and even someone who is a direct descendant of adam and eve, ho ho! I am still very very stupid! One of the 'psychics' is right into the Edgar Cayce Reborn trip. See http://www.cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=4419.0
Another line of thought I have been allowing is the idea that all these sensations I observe in the altered state during EE do not actually belong to 'me' but are merely a componant of the body with which my awareness observes the world. And it is a body/mind system that is under the influence of EVIL.
I have allowed myself to become complacent - never let your guard drop! The control system is attempting to lead me astray into worship of physicality. OSIT at the mo.

Glad you got it on your own. And remember, they can only get to you in those ways if you have blocked energies and/or sleeping emotional center.

It is not terribly uncommon for people to have erotic experiences during meditation. It is, like any other phenomena that you might pass through, a distraction. It is a signpost. For example, similar things may happen to an individual who begins using melatonin.

Q: (L) Why should we take the Melatonin?
A: Is mild hallucinogen.
Q: (L) Why do we need this?
A: Keeps exercising psychic abilities and opens paths. Don't
be alarmed by vividly erotic dreams.
Q: (L) Should we expect to have vividly erotic dreams?
A: Possible as psyche passes through levels on ascension.

So, if you can keep a cool head, not get distracted, you may pass safely through this level.

 

[pirataloko]

Hi everybody


I'd like to share that today during the POST meditation i felt deeply moved emotionally with every phrase feeling their magnificence, almost crying , and understanding them in a deeper level. I use to do it in a mental way but today the emotional part was there too by first time.

 

[Infiniteness]

Just coming in to report. For the last week or so Ive been under a somewhat server psychic attack or so it seems to me. My psychological health greatly deteriorated and my somehow my OCD problem got really worse, at a very quick rate(Just in one day I went from being stabile to almost losing it/two days before I saw a unusual high amount of police cars, could have been a warning). I felt really bad and just negatively dissociated myself, start watching a lot of TV and eating evil food! After a couple of days of being at complete lost and fighting with my predator, I started doing the EE program again and I have to say it quickly turned me around. Today I feel much better, each time I would do the EE program I would feel the "attack" or strain lift away. :) I also decided to do the full EE program three times a week now.

The only new development with the EE program for me is that Ive been zoning out much more now. Now I am back on my feet, and I can start doing the work again.

 

[herondancer]

Good for you, Infiniteness. You've now proven to yourself that EE is effective for keeping and improving your stability. I'd be careful though, about upping the number of times you do the full program. Maybe do all the exercises every day except the Ba-ha breath. Keep that to just twice a week. And remember you can do pipe breath anytime you feel your emotional balance slipping. It's an instant relaxer.

Herondancer