Éiriú-Eolas - Breathing Program

[JAKSUN]

Good for you, Infiniteness. You've now proven to yourself that EE is effective for keeping and improving your stability. I'd be careful though, about upping the number of times you do the full program. Maybe do all the exercises every day except the Ba-ha breath. Keep that to just twice a week. And remember you can do pipe breath anytime you feel your emotional balance slipping. It's an instant relaxer.

Herondancer

I have for the previous 4 weeks been doing Beatha most days and have broken through some personal limitations that were decidedly unconstructive. But I needed the Ultra Simple Diet as well - http://www.cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=13241.msg96968#msg96968

Now I am doing EE as you have prescribed above Herondancer. Ta.

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I find it disturbing that they can penetrate into my meditation and will have to be even more alert
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Another line of thought I have been allowing is the idea that all these sensations I observe in the altered state during EE do not actually belong to 'me' but are merely a componant of the body with which my awareness observes the world. And it is a body/mind system that is under the influence of EVIL.
I have allowed myself to become complacent - never let your guard drop! The control system is attempting to lead me astray into worship of physicality. OSIT at the mo.

Glad you got it on your own. And remember, they can only get to you in those ways if you have blocked energies and/or sleeping emotional center.

It is not terribly uncommon for people to have erotic experiences during meditation. It is, like any other phenomena that you might pass through, a distraction. It is a signpost. For example, similar things may happen to an individual who begins using melatonin.

Q: (L) Why should we take the Melatonin?
A: Is mild hallucinogen.
Q: (L) Why do we need this?
A: Keeps exercising psychic abilities and opens paths. Don't
be alarmed by vividly erotic dreams.
Q: (L) Should we expect to have vividly erotic dreams?
A: Possible as psyche passes through levels on ascension.

So, if you can keep a cool head, not get distracted, you may pass safely through this level.

Quote from: Cs 23 October 1999
Q: I want to you have lost a fan because he was not happy with what he considered to be "internal inconsistencies" in that you were NOT favorably disposed toward hallucinations produced by substances such as Mescaline and Ayahuasca, but yet you recommend Melatonin because it is a hallucinogen. Then, you said that spiritual powers could not be obtained through chemicals or plant type means, but then said that Melatonin exercises psychic abilities. Could you comment on this?

A: Several comments: First of all, "fan" is short for "fanatic." Secondly, melatonin does not force an alteration in physiological brain chemicals, as do mescaline, peyote, LSD, etc. Accessing the higher levels of psychical awareness through such processes is harmful to the balance levels of the prime chakra. This is because it alters the natural rhythms of psychic development by causing reliance on the part of the subject, thus subjugating the learning process. It is a form of self-imposed abridging of free will. Melatonin simply allows the system to clear obstructions in the brain chemistry naturally, thereby allowing the subject to continue to learn at a natural pace. And, it is by no means unimportant that melatonin is a natural body hormone. The other substances mentioned are, at least in part, synthetic, with the exception of peyote. But even that is not a natural ingredient of the human physiological being. And besides, we have already discussed the importance, or lack thereof, of those who pass judgment upon this exercise, or communication.

Thank you Laura, I am acting on yours and the C's points now!

 

[herondancer]

This is good to hear. The Ba-ha breath is very powerful, and it is important that the physical body be in shape to handle the energies it can release. I don't think even the Chateau crew generally do it more than twice a week. If you look after your diet and follow the program as given, you will make very good progress in a even, (mostly) steady manner. Remember there is useful suffering and useless suffering.

Carry on with extra attention to your diet. You're doing fine. :)

Herondancer

 

[ScottD]

Thanks to the encouragement of my initial "newbie" post I had my second EE session over the weekend. As Herondancer stated the ba-ha part is very powerful. Maybe even an understatement :D. My session consisted of a sudden strong vision of a dark (black) stake protruding from my solar plexus with an intense light around it. A voice inside my head said "release!" and once I did the tears came and the stake diminished within this light. I managed to maintain the breathing throughout and all my limbs were vibrating/tingling tremendously. A very intense session indeed but the tension in my shoulders released and I felt at one with my surroundings for about an hour afterwards. I think some of it was due to our recent loss of a very loved ferret. We nursed her for two weeks before she finally left us. If any of you have ever had a ferret you know that they are very tough little critters and will endure a great deal of pain before showing any signs. I think I finally found peace with her loss the other night.

This last session has also propelled me forward and I am encouraging my girlfriend to begin the program as well as another good friend of mine. Both have deep seated emotional issues (i.e. sexual assault). My girlfriend has a number of maladies diagnosed such as fibro/CFS and sleep disorders. We're working on getting our diets regulated and with the EE program I hope to give her an avenue that will help (both of us). Thanks to the tremendous amount of study and research from everyone here we're well on our way to correcting a lot of her isues over the past year.

Here's to the work ahead! :)

Just curious, does anyone else have a sensation of everything feeling "soft" after a session? I walk around and touch everything like it's the first time I've ever touched it.

 

[Infiniteness]

Good for you, Infiniteness. You've now proven to yourself that EE is effective for keeping and improving your stability. I'd be careful though, about upping the number of times you do the full program. Maybe do all the exercises every day except the Ba-ha breath. Keep that to just twice a week. And remember you can do pipe breath anytime you feel your emotional balance slipping. It's an instant relaxer.

Herondancer

Thanks Herondancer, I think Ill keep at two times a week, dont want to bite off to much and not be able to chew it down. For now I think I am going to start doing the pipe breathing more often, as of now I dont do it that often per day.

 

[Nienna]

Thanks to the encouragement of my initial "newbie" post I had my second EE session over the weekend. As Herondancer stated the ba-ha part is very powerful. Maybe even an understatement :D. My session consisted of a sudden strong vision of a dark (black) stake protruding from my solar plexus with an intense light around it. A voice inside my head said "release!" and once I did the tears came and the stake diminished within this light. I managed to maintain the breathing throughout and all my limbs were vibrating/tingling tremendously. A very intense session indeed but the tension in my shoulders released and I felt at one with my surroundings for about an hour afterwards. I think some of it was due to our recent loss of a very loved ferret. We nursed her for two weeks before she finally left us. If any of you have ever had a ferret you know that they are very tough little critters and will endure a great deal of pain before showing any signs. I think I finally found peace with her loss the other night.

This last session has also propelled me forward and I am encouraging my girlfriend to begin the program as well as another good friend of mine. Both have deep seated emotional issues (i.e. sexual assault). My girlfriend has a number of maladies diagnosed such as fibro/CFS and sleep disorders. We're working on getting our diets regulated and with the EE program I hope to give her an avenue that will help (both of us). Thanks to the tremendous amount of study and research from everyone here we're well on our way to correcting a lot of her isues over the past year.

Here's to the work ahead! :)

Just curious, does anyone else have a sensation of everything feeling "soft" after a session? I walk around and touch everything like it's the first time I've ever touched it.

I am glad that you have seen the effects of EE so soon.. Bring up and releasing repressed emotions is a very cleansing experience. And tingling in the limbs is very common. So is tingling and pressure in the facial and head are, being unable to uncurl your fingers, zoning out. If you have questions on any of these, don't hesitate to come here and ask about them.

Also, feeling relaxed, as in your shoulders, is a very big benefit of this program.

As for your girlfriend and friend, let them know that if the release of emotions is too intense, to back off of the BaHa portion until they feel more in control of themselves, and then they can try it again. Sometimes it may take a month or so before they feel they can continue on with it. Doing the 3-stage breathing and POTS is still dealing with repressed emotions, just on a gentler scale. So tell them to be gentle with themselves and do what feels comfortable for them.

Also, for you and your girlfriend, getting on a good diet is crucial and goes very well with the EE for detoxifying the mind, body and emotions.

And I want to give you my condolences on your pet ferret. Our 2D friends become family and losing one of them is the same as losing a close loved one, because they are loved. I'm glad that you got to get some of the grief of this out. All we can do to console ourselves is to know that they are no longer suffering and are now romping around in pet 5D.

 

[herondancer]

This last session has also propelled me forward and I am encouraging my girlfriend to begin the program as well as another good friend of mine. Both have deep seated emotional issues (i.e. sexual assault). My girlfriend has a number of maladies diagnosed such as fibro/CFS and sleep disorders. We're working on getting our diets regulated and with the EE program I hope to give her an avenue that will help (both of us). Thanks to the tremendous amount of study and research from everyone here we're well on our way to correcting a lot of her isues over the past year.

Here's to the work ahead! :)

Just curious, does anyone else have a sensation of everything feeling "soft" after a session? I walk around and touch everything like it's the first time I've ever touched it.

Hi ScottD,

Here are a few other threads on the Forum that may help you help your girlfriend:

Fibromyalgia and Chronic Fatigue Syndrome

FIBROMYALGIA AND CHRONIC FATIGUE Questionnaire

Also, she should really read Rodger H. Murphree's book Treating and Beating Fibromyalgia and Chronic Fatigue Syndrome. It's on the Reading List.

I don't know so much about everything feeling "soft" as I usually do it before going to sleep, but I know that after an EE session, I feel soft and comfortable in my body. Sleep has become so much more restful and restorative. It's grand after being a light sleeper all my life. As to the deeper traumas, your friends may benefit from some counselling along with EE. Some things need extra support to work through.

Herondancer

 

[ScottD]

I am glad that you have seen the effects of EE so soon.. Bring up and releasing repressed emotions is a very cleansing experience. And tingling in the limbs is very common. So is tingling and pressure in the facial and head are, being unable to uncurl your fingers, zoning out. If you have questions on any of these, don't hesitate to come here and ask about them.

I wasn't expecting that tremendous of a session so soon either. The first time I did it I had more physical effects than anything else but still felt pretty good afterwards. This one was definitely what I needed though. I think I needed the confirmation that what I was doing was really benefitting me.

As for your girlfriend and friend, let them know that if the release of emotions is too intense, to back off of the BaHa portion until they feel more in control of themselves, and then they can try it again. Sometimes it may take a month or so before they feel they can continue on with it. Doing the 3-stage breathing and POTS is still dealing with repressed emotions, just on a gentler scale. So tell them to be gentle with themselves and do what feels comfortable for them.

I have a feeling that hers will be very intense after she gets going. So I will relay the above to her to not take it all at once if she can't handle it. For me though once I get going on something I have to see it through. I think the goat-like capricorn in me shows through at times hah.

 

[ScottD]

Also, she should really read Rodger H. Murphree's book Treating and Beating Fibromyalgia and Chronic Fatigue Syndrome. It's on the Reading List.

I don't know so much about everything feeling "soft" as I usually do it before going to sleep, but I know that after an EE session, I feel soft and comfortable in my body. Sleep has become so much more restful and restorative. It's grand after being a light sleeper all my life. As to the deeper traumas, your friends may benefit from some counselling along with EE. Some things need extra support to work through.

Herondancer

Herondancer, I'll add that book to her reading list! The threads that you mentioned helped me to give her advice and understand what she was going through. Last year she had to quit her job due to her being on so many medications. It literally drove her mad and nearly to suicide. If it were not for me reading the advice here I don't know if we would have made it through. Thankfully, due to a "fortunate" event, she took a trip and the airline lost her bags with all of her medications. She soon realized that she didn't need any of the meds and felt 100% better without them. She had to have her own self-taught lesson instead of listening to me on this one I think. Ever since then she's been an anti-drug person to all of her friends telling them of the dangers. :) Oh and yes we did visit a hypnotherapist during the really bad times with her. The few short sessions showed her the power of breath work as she was taught 3-stage breathing and light hypnosis to relieve stress.

I've always held the thought of "you can't help someone else until you've worked on yourself", so I hope to get myself more operable, help her, then we can both help our friend.

 

[Seamus]

I had an interesting session last night, just wanted to report in.

I didn't do 3 stage breathing or Beatha last night, just some pipe breathing followed by the prayer of the soul. After a few rounds of POTS I began to have trouble concentrating on the words (I was saying it to myself without the audio) because my mind was wandering/dissociating/zoning. When I realized my mind had wandered I began again. This happened 4 or 5 times until I suddenly had an experience that was something like coming up for air after being under water for a long time. I took a really deep breath and realized I had been taking shallow breaths for some time. At the same time my mind cleared and I suddenly noticed all of the sounds in the room, as if ear plugs had been pulled out of my ears. I also had a distinct sensation of vibration, as if my mind/body had been vibrating very strongly and heavily while occupied with the interrupting thoughts and that the vibrations were trailing off as I 'came to'.

I have had similar experiences many times while meditating, both with POTS and while practicing other forms of meditation, but this was the first time I can remember experiencing my thoughts as vibrations.

I was troubled all night by vivid and sometimes violent and frightening dreams. I woke up from these dreams 4 or 5 times over the course of the night. I dreamed I was in a generic school or dorm setting with some people I know and some I don't. I can remember trying to rescue kids who had too much to drink and passed out. I lost some of my belongings and I was trying to find them. Something of little value that belonged to the school was stolen, and I couldn't understand why someone would steal it, but I felt responsible. At one point there was a man cleaning the hallway, but he was two men: a good man and an evil man. The good man was quiet and far away, but the evil man noticed me and came closer and closer. The two of them were indistinguishable at first, but when the evil man spoke his voice sounded like a demon from a cheesy tv show, all deep and distorted. I struggled to wake up and had the impression that both men were in my room, on the left side of my bed. So I turned the light on in my room and laid awake for a while (this was at 4am).

 

[mada85]

I'd like to share a report on this evening's EE session:

I did my usual stretching routine, and as soon as I sat for the EE, I felt very energised. I had no trouble keeping my spine upright. Sometimes I just want to slump, but this evening I was upright all through the session. The three stage breathing seemed to go very quickly, almost too quickly. The Warrior's Breath was really explosive! I really enjoy the WB, and I like to make the 'Ha!' really loud. During the ba-ha portion, I had an intense sensation of pressure in my third eye region. As Laura has suggested, I tried to hold on to this sensation, and I was successful for a time, but slowly the sensation dissipated. During the POTS I zoned out for almost the whole time, and only came back after Laura had finished talking.

I wonder if the third eye pressure and the zoning out were due, at least in part, to me putting more energy into the EE. I have been feeling quite irritable at work today and I tried to channel that energy into my practice this evening. The Warrior's Breath had the effect of cleaning out the dark residue of the irritability.

I've also been much more emotional recently, outside of the EE sessions. Mostly there have been lots of tears for episodes in my past where I have caused pain to others and myself. I made an agreement with myself that if I felt intensely tearful at work, it would be OK to hold it until I got home so I could cry in private.

Thanks Herondancer, I think Ill keep at two times a week, dont want to bite off to much and not be able to chew it down.

I think this is a really good decision. Last year I started doing the complete EE every day and it really was too much. I had to back off a long way before I could go back to it. Step by step is the way to go.

At one point there was a man cleaning the hallway, but he was two men: a good man and an evil man. The good man was quiet and far away, but the evil man noticed me and came closer and closer. The two of them were indistinguishable at first, but when the evil man spoke his voice sounded like a demon from a cheesy tv show, all deep and distorted. I struggled to wake up and had the impression that both men were in my room, on the left side of my bed.

Today I read a lecture given by Gurdjieff at the Prieure in 1923, in which he talks about two spirits. It seems to me have some relevance to your dream about the two men. Here it is:

Two Spirits, Prieure, Feb 9, 1923

It is said in some ancient teachings that on the day God created man he also created for each man two spirits -- the spirit of good and the spirit of evil, or as they are called, an angel and a devil, and placed the angel on the right of man and the devil on the left.

Another ancient teaching says that when God sent spirits to work on the planets, the spirits asked God:

"What shall we do there?" God divided the spirits according to their qualities and said: "You, on the right, will try to lead those who live there to heaven, and you, the other half, will try to lead them to hell."

Then one of the leaders asked about the means permissible to those on the one side and those on the other. God answered: "You can use any methods and means you like. But there is one essential difference. Let the weapon of those on the right be -- to do through 'doing', and the weapon of those on the left -- to do through 'it happens'. The method of those on the right must be through what is active and conscious, and the method of those on the left through what is passive and unconscious."

These two teachings to which I refer are ancient. At the same time, parallel with these teachings there existed another religion, another teaching and it still exists to this day.

The majority of religions live, act, believe in accordance with holy scriptures, precepts and commandments. At the same time there has existed a teaching of learned followers who have tried to put into practice all religions, all sayings, all teachings without infatuation, without faith. They did not worship blindly. Before accepting something they practiced it. What could be put into practice was accepted, what could not be was rejected. In this way a new religion was formed, although the material for it was taken from other religions. The teaching about which I speak now is the teaching of the Sufis.

This teaching says the following about the angel and the devil:

Every action of a man, every step, every moment, every movement emanates either from the one or from the other. Emanations from both (result) are equally deposited in the human organism in the form of certain crusts of real tangible matter which one can examine and distinguish whether the crust is of one kind or another. Each crust obeys certain laws, leads to certain consequences. And in the case of man things whispered by the devil have a greater effect.

 

[Gawan]

I'd like to share a report on this evening's EE session:

I did my usual stretching routine, and as soon as I sat for the EE, I felt very energised. I had no trouble keeping my spine upright. Sometimes I just want to slump, but this evening I was upright all through the session.

I do sometimes the 3-stage breathing in the horizontal position (lying), out of the reason to relax better.

The Warrior's Breath was really explosive! I really enjoy the WB, and I like to make the 'Ha!' really loud.

I had tonight also lots of fun, because I did the WB in full synchronicity with Lauras voice. :)


Tonight I really enjoyed the program and has been joyful also the BB (bioenergetic-breathing) part, where had been tears in my eyes, because I felt simply good and thankful. :)
Maybe there is a realisation going on in the last days, thankfully for the feedback given in that topic.

And what I observed in the last two days during the meditation (most often there I'm sitting) I'm moving my head up and down, when I breath in my head moves up and down when I breath out.

 

[Ollie]

For the past two weeks my experience of the E-E Breathing Meditation programme has been a little different from usual. Less tears and yawning during PotS, and before sleep whilst reciting PotS drifting off either into sleep or just losing where I’ve got to. I’m not sure if this counts as zoning out or is the Predator’s mind in action. I suspect it is the latter.

Outside of the programme, I’ve noticed that I’ve laughed a lot more with tears welling in my eyes in the process. Again, change is happening at a deep level.

 

[Oxajil]

Hi Jerry

To picture in my mind I attached a picture showing the part I think I must move in my mouth when I do pipe B, are this correct ?

That's not correct.

Constrict is like you make the opening smaller. It is the opening of the pipe where air goes in and fills your lungs.

When you eat, drink or when you gargle you totally close that opening, so that it doesn't go in there. If food or drinks do go in that pipe, you start to cough. You have two pipes, one for food&drinks and one for air. The pipe for food&drinks is not on the image, but it's behind the air pipe.

And between those 2 pipes is the vagus nerve and we want to stimulate that.

And so for pipe breathing we want to make the opening of the air pipe smaller (constrict), not using your neck muscles. When you say Haaaaaaaaaaaa very long you can feel that constriction. And if you can hold that constriction to do the Pipe Breathing with counting, you're hopefully doing it right.

Hopefully the image will help you :)

 

[zim]

Hi Jerry

To picture in my mind I attached a picture showing the part I think I must move in my mouth when I do pipe B, are this correct ?

That's not correct.

Constrict is like you make the opening smaller. It is the opening of the pipe where air goes in and fills your lungs.

When you eat, drink or when you gargle you totally close that opening, so that it doesn't go in there. If food or drinks do go in that pipe, you start to cough. You have two pipes, one for food&drinks and one for air. The pipe for food&drinks is not on the image, but it's behind the air pipe.

And between those 2 pipes is the vagus nerve and we want to stimulate that.

And so for pipe breathing we want to make the opening of the air pipe smaller (constrict), not using your neck muscles. When you say Haaaaaaaaaaaa very long you can feel that constriction. And if you can hold that constriction to do the Pipe Breathing with counting, you're hopefully doing it right.

Hopefully the image will help you :)

Hi Oxajil

Until today I understood why it called pipe, jajja sorry I think I'm very slow to learn !!!!!
:P but thanks; really ;I understood exactly what the part is to work in the pipe breath, I was totally wrong thinking that it was a movement inside of my mouth ( sky mouth), I did the haaaaaaaaaaa (breath out )very long now I feel the sensation in my throat in the same time I can see how my diaphragm move each time I say haaaaaaa very long as I'm cleaning my glasses, but still feel dizzy when I finished the breathing ??? It is correct ??

I'm really sorry I have thinking in my learning process and sometimes I feel block and don't see far but suddenly happens; something make an spark on my mind and wala!! I understand the things !!!!!

 

[Rhys]

Congratulations zim! :D and kudos to you Oxajil for those fantastic explanations.

... but still feel dizzy when I finished the breathing ??? It is correct ??

Maybe you need to draw the breath deeper into your lungs - as if you were trying to fill the area under your belly button with air. Perhaps while you are getting used to constricting the throat you are taking some attention away from the belly breathing? Just a thought.

You'll get there! :)